Upapada lagna and arudha lagna

[Passionforastrology]

Hello friends and respected astrologers:

DOB: 30.5.1982
TOB: 02.10 AM
POB: Bangalore.

My upapada lagna has my chara darakaraka Venus placed twelfth from my Arudha lagna which contains retrograde mercury which is the lord of my seventh house, at 4 degrees conjunct with sun.

Almost every article i have read online says that if upapada lagna is twelfth from arudha lagna, it means that there is an attitude of rejection of the native towards the spouse and that there is no love between them and the native has no interest in the spouse.

Only one article i have read nikhilworld blog ( i am unable to post the blog link as this website doesnt allow that) says that "If UL is 12th from AL – Ideally this is a good placement......12th UL from AL is preferred as it shows unconditional love for the marriage."

Also i have read that if the darapada (AL7) is connected to the Upapada lagna, then there is love marriage.

In my chart, Darapada lord is retrograde saturn which is conjunct in the seventh house with mars, which is the lord of my upapada lagna.

My query is :

1. What is the correct interpretation of UL being 12th from AL?
2. What is the correct interpretation of AL7 lord conjunct with UL lord in 7th house?

[Dr Neeraj]

Dear PFA
The interpretations for the UL being 12th from AL is same as mentioned by you in first part of ur post i.e. attitude of rejection.
However I must share you the backstory of this.

In Jamini Astrology Arudh held special status as analysis from any Arudh is not for the real/physical world. Rather its the perception about that particular house. AL analysis tells about Maya associated with self i.e. how others perceive this person. Lagna tells about how this person is in reality.

Plz read http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... rudh+lagna

So all Arudh must be interpreted in terms of how other persons will think about you. But should you really be concerned about it?

God bless you
Neeraj

[vedicmaths]

hi passionastrology,

Humbly i would like to suggest, you take ten horoscopes from this forum who are divorced and
looking for remarriage. You may analyse the relationship between AL and UL. However i would
like to caution that no rules/conclusions be drawn from this minuscule sample. I am sure this simple
exercise would give you an idea.

truly,
vedicmaths

[Passionforastrology]

Sir....I will definitely try the exercise as suggested...would be enriching for me...in the meantime...for calculation of upapada lagna or for that matter any of the arudhas, is rahu to be regarded as the Lord of Aquarius or Saturn to be considered as the Lord or Uranus?

[vedicmaths]

hi passionforastrology,

In hindu astrology, Uranus is not used. But for experimenting, it is good.
Rahu and saturn are considered as lords of aquarius, as per a school of thought in hindu astrology.
The stronger one is considered for this. Once again , the strength of the two , namely, saturu and rahu
are done in a specific manner. If you are using jagannatha hora, a free software, these can be chosen
as per your wish.

truly,
vedicmaths

[Passionforastrology]

@ Vedic maths... Sir/madam...kindly enlighten me how to find the strength of the planet...I mean to find out which of two planets is "stronger"... Does it depend on the degree of the planet?? I mean.. Does the planet with the highest degree have the highest strength? I mean ...if a given planet is the chara atmakaraka, obviously it has the highest degree...so does it mean that the chara atmakaraka is the "strongest" planet in a person's birthchart??

[vedicmaths]

hi passionforastrolgy,

There are set of rules to find out the strength of the planets. Exaltation, moolatrikona, associating
with more number of planets, aspected by ( rasi wise ) Jupiter, mercury and the sign lord and finally the distance
traveled in a sign. You may google to find out planetary strengths by jaimini.

The easiest would be to use jhora software.

If you have any specific case, you can ask.

truly,
vedicmaths

[Passionforastrology]

@vedicmaths;

Sir/madam;

with due regards and salutations to all the learned astrologers in this forum, and once again requesting to pardon my ignorance, kindly tell me which ayanamsha is ACTUALLY the most ACCURATE... is it lahiri or krishnamurti...i understand lahiri is the most widely used...but is it the most accurate for predictions? i know this question may not be placed in the correct section..but this comes as a follow up as i am trying to use the jagannatha hora software and puzzled about ayanamshas.

Regards.

[Passionforastrology]

@vedicmaths:

Sir/ madam:

Specific case:

DOB: 30.5.1982
TOB: 02.10 AM
POB: Bangalore.

I used jagannatha hora software on this:

It lists various types of strengths: in vimsopaka bala (dasa), saturn is 13.7 and rahu is 12.5. In Vaiseshikamsa (dasa), saturn is 2 and rahu is 5. I would be grateful if you could see the rashi chart and navamsa for yourself and guide me which one of the two is stronger.

Regards.

[vedicmaths]

hi passionforastrology,

Vimsopaka balas are not used to find out the strength of dual lordship planets namely, Saturn, rahu, mars and ketu.

In the earlier message i wrote, " Exaltation, moolatrikona, associating with more number of planets, aspected by ( rasi wise ) Jupiter, mercury and the sign lord and finally the distance traveled in a sign "

Now taking the given birth details,

Case: Aquarius.
Between Saturn and Rahu, Saturn is more powerful since he is with another planet while rahu stands alone.
Saturn is placed in 8th from aquarius. Moving 8 places from virgo, we get Aries. Hence UL is placed in Aries.

Case: Scorpio.
Between Mars and ketu, Mars is stronger as he is with another planet, while ketu stands alone. So aruda for
the ninth house we choose Mars. Mars is in 11th from Scorpio. Hence 11 places from Mars, we get Cancer.
Hence arudha of 9th house is placed in Cancer.

Lahiri ayanamsa is generally used. Ayanamsa involves too complex three dimensional trignometrics and other
associated methods. I feel most of the astrologers are away from it, including myself. Hence any kind of support
for any ayanamsa will be without valid logic. It is individual's choice and one cannot comment about the other.

truly,
vedicmaths

[Passionforastrology]

@vedicmaths..
Sir/madam...two things...
1. On using jagannatha hora software in the given case, on the chart, the UL and AL are both being shown in third house Taurus...although I agree with you that UL is in Aries. How to explain the software UL?
2. Using different ayanamsas for the same case birth details is yielding different divisional charts particularly the navamsa...how in earth can we rely on these then??? Particularly sri Surya siddhanta is yielding different D9 from lahiri...and others are yielding yet other D9..

[vedicmaths]

hi passionforastrology,

The author of jhora has given an option for calculating aruda pada based on longitude of
lagna. Normal calculation treats the point ' lagna ' as a whole and considers only the rasi like aries,
Taurus etc.

Longitudinal potions are considered where exact positions of planets and lagna are used.

Go to preferences > related calculation options > aruda pada calculation options . You will find
the various options here.

Only constant practice and analysis could help in grasp of the subject. Of-course, different ayanamsas
would throw different vargas. Start somewhere

truly,
vedicmaths