Kemadrum Yoga

[maaya2015]

[quote="Helius"][quote="maaya2015"][quote="maaya2015"]One of my close relative has birth date 28/12/1999 and birth time 7:24 pm,birth place kollam(district),kerala,India.Pls help me to find out kemadruma yoga in the birth chart and if present it is cancelled or what are the remedies for that?[/quote]

I haven't got a n answer for the above said query .Pls help me to find .[/quote]

I wish to have experts reply to this query, yet lemme post what i know on this topic.

KE should get cancelled due to the following reasons:

1: Moon is in quadrant to Lagna.
2: ME is in quadrant to both Lagna and Moon.

Regards,
Pearl[/quote]


Thanks for the valuable reply

[zemchyk]

[quote="explorings"][quote="zemchyk"]Dear learned members of the forum!

I have a moon in 8 house of Aries with no planets on either side. Right now, after a break up, I am feeling very isolated and bitter, with a feeling that noone understands me; even though, I know that everything will be alright, this loneliness sometimes is so overwhelming, I just cry. Could you please give your kind advice how to live with this emotional burden? Thank you so much!
DOB: 14 of January, 1984, 00:20, Mohyliv-podilskyi, Ukraine.[/quote]


Dear Zemchyk:

Your Kemadruma is cancelled.... Mars and exalted Saturn aspects moon. Strong swashetra Ju (placed in karakamsha) aspects moon.

The moment I saw your experiences in personal life, I was 95% sure Rahu has to be involved.... indeed, you are undergoing Rahu MD and also Ashtama Shani. The personal experiences are classical situations that one faces during Ra MD.

Kemadruma (KD) makes a person eventually make peace with been alone. All ups and downs of life are usually faced alone by the person with KD. In your chart, it is negated to a large extent (as explained earlier). D-9 shows Moon conjunct with Su and Ma with aspect receiving from Me. Ve is in 2H from moon in D-9... eventually or overtime, you will receive support from others.[/quote]

Dear explorings!
Thank you very much for your answer to my question, I do feel comforted by the fact I won't be lonely.

[hari766]

I have KD yoga with Moon also in Parivartana as well as mutual aspect with the loner planet, Saturn. I have been alone for most of my life. But I also have exalted mercury in Kendra. Hence throughout my life I had ample access to Books, and other information media. So while the KD yoga indicates alone-ness, depending on other configuration in your chart, it might also indicate various ways and means by which you could involve your time fruitfully. Post age 35, I also got better awareness of why/how I am different from the rest, and also got much more used to all these aspects in my life.

[anuradha]

''In the horoscope given here of Rahul with his kemadruma Moon and unfavourable dasha sequence and the placement of the ninth lord in the eighth house does anyone see any high rajayoga leave alone his ever becoming the prime minister of India because of his birth in the dynasty which is now decimated and is vanishing ? I leave it to the younger generation of astrologers to work on it, discuss and predict in advance not claim falsely, retrospectively as has been happening.

Horoscope of Rahul Gandhi
The horoscope of Rahul can be discussed in detail in future to see if he will ever stand the chance of restoring the power of the decimated dynasty he belongs to. One glance at the kemadruma Moon is enough to know how weak this horoscope is apart from other fatal factors.

http://www.journalofastrology.com/artic ... cle_id=470

It looks Sun and Mars in Kendra from Moon is not helping Mr Rahul Gandhi.

[VioletTwilight]

It looks Sun and Mercury in Kendra from Moon is not helping Mr Rahul Gandhi.

Kemadruma yoga was mainly about penury of persons born even in royal family. AFAIK, Rahul Gandhi belongs to a rich family and continues to have international fame, riches and followers. Doesn't it mean that the yoga was cancelled by Sun and Mars in kendra to Moon?

However, I do find it surprising that one with Kemadruma Moon, Moola moon (in gandanta no less), 11th house Ketu, and deb. saturn in 7th would choose to come into public life. These will be interesting couple of years with sadesati+ketu transit over natal Rahu.

[anuradha]

Nothing get cancelled in astrology the planet in kendra only help to improve it a bit. In this case the aspect of Sun[11L, friends and good contacts, royal people] and Mars[ 7L, partnership and family 2L] is helping .

[anuradha]

Which chart?

[anuradha]

Here Jupiter and Mars are aspecting the Kendrum Moon. Jupiter is your 3L[ self effort, younger co-born , talent, communication] in 10H[ occupation, job] and Mars the 11L[ friends and influential people,money] and your Mom[4L] is helping a bit. But you feel aloof, unstable and unable to take decision, when required.

[VioletTwilight]

Nothing get cancelled in astrology the planet in kendra only help to improve it a bit. In this case the aspect of Sun[11L, friends and good contacts, royal people] and Mars[ 7L, partnership and family 2L] is helping .

It looks Sun and Mars in Kendra from Moon is not helping Mr Rahul Gandhi.

But helping with what? And not helping with what?

Sun+Mars has definitely worked to keep him rich. This would be classic definition of cancellation since he is not just "above average" or "upper middle class". If kemadruma is daridra yoga, then it is measurably not true in this case.

On the other hand, if we take subtle interpretation of "influence of mind on decision-making and accepting advice, loneliness" then it is difficult to quantify what is helping and what is not helping. Then, we can say nothing is cancelled. But this single yoga doesn't make the horoscope "weak" either.

[anuradha]

Re: Kemadrum Yoga
Postby VioletTwilight » 28 Dec 2015, 10:12

anuradha wrote:
Nothing get cancelled in astrology the planet in kendra only help to improve it a bit. In this case the aspect of Sun[11L, friends and good contacts, royal people] and Mars[ 7L, partnership and family 2L] is helping .


anuradha wrote:
It looks Sun and Mars in Kendra from Moon is not helping Mr Rahul Gandhi.


But helping with what? And not helping with what?

Sun+Mars has definitely worked to keep him rich. This would be classic definition of cancellation since he is not just "above average" or "upper middle class". If kemadruma is daridra yoga, then it is measurably not true in this case.

On the other hand, if we take subtle interpretation of "influence of mind on decision-making and accepting advice, loneliness" then it is difficult to quantify what is helping and what is not helping. Then, we can say nothing is cancelled. But this single yoga doesn't make the horoscope "weak" either.

He is not in parliament to be rich all is said in the perspective to be the prime minister of India or the minister in the government or an effective leader of masses , kindly read the article. Surely Kemdrum Moon is the obstacle to take the right decision in crucial moments.

[anuradha]

You are right, though he is without a partner (loneliness - which can be due to moon being alone) we cannot say he is totally in a mess. He is a party top leader, indirectly controls his party and takes all important decisions.

Please check the following charts, all these people are multimillionaires (including Mr Rahul) and i keep wondering what KD (everyone has a planet on the Kendra cancelling/neutralizing KD) actually does and what its limitations are when cancelled.

To understand the Kemdrum Yoga fully kindly share charts of people you know personally. The charts of celebrities are always doubtful.

[Lex]

Nothing get cancelled in astrology the planet in kendra only help to improve it a bit. In this case the aspect of Sun[11L, friends and good contacts, royal people] and Mars[ 7L, partnership and family 2L] is helping .

It looks Sun and Mars in Kendra from Moon is not helping Mr Rahul Gandhi.

But helping with what? And not helping with what?

Sun+Mars has definitely worked to keep him rich. This would be classic definition of cancellation since he is not just "above average" or "upper middle class". If kemadruma is daridra yoga, then it is measurably not true in this case.

On the other hand, if we take subtle interpretation of "influence of mind on decision-making and accepting advice, loneliness" then it is difficult to quantify what is helping and what is not helping. Then, we can say nothing is cancelled. But this single yoga doesn't make the horoscope "weak" either.

Hi VT

Whose chart we are in, if it is Our Ex-PM's dynasty chart and discussing on Kemadruma, we need to verify and audit the Genethelical data details, when I say audit means scientifically through astrologically and not by hear-say, and even by hear-say adopting such birth details, we need to verify through astrological analysis.

In the mean time, if I have the time, I will see Dynasty chart and corroborate with father's event, grand ma's event, as the same has to feature in chart and Mother was one time airhostess, that also has to be seen

Prime Minsiterial position etc becomes secondary evaluation, dynasty has won the recent Loksabha election, when his party was bull dozed by opposition in winning margin, so we have to respect his conduct with masses which is evident ,as he won the election

Now lets come back to Kemadruma
Whats our Sages said in Sanskrit
In Sanskrit, Kema-Druma means... it is pertaining to a tree
Our Sages always respected nature, while quantifying a yoga pertaining to a tree

If Chandra been talked about, Chandra is watery sign lord, for a tree growth water is essential, even Cactus retains water for long time

It also conveys , is the birth of a native took place in watery place ? or Chandra denoting a tree( Kema druma), native mind is fixed like a tree and grows towards Sunlight, or native's mind preserves nature's ethics

Kema druma is nothing connected with Prosperity like WEalth or position

Prosperityto be seen from 2nd and 11th lord depositions and its depositors in varga charts and also analsysis of Dasa-Bhukti period

Any kind of decision is seen from or intent from 3rd cusp lord and its depositions and its afflictions, Chandra's depositions will say a nature but 3rd cusp depositions what one will do in Dasa/ bhukti.. or in a day's of weeks or to be precise even subsubsub in Hora time

We will see Dynasty chart Genethelical data verification through scientifically....contd

[Lex]

Hi VT

Dynasty's chart, Chandra is not deposited in Moola nakshtra. Rahul Gandhi's Chandra is deposited in Jyesta nakshatra and Chandra flanked by Guru... therefore Kemadrma yoga doesn't exist

On that day, when he was born Chandra was transiting from Jyesta nk in Vrichika to Moolam in Dhanur

The time quoted is flawed and it was reproduced from a media publication, without vetting the time of birth astrologically. It is a crude method of putting a celebrity data

His lagna is also not Thula or Libra, again flawed

I will demonstrate may be tomorrow or day after with the time of birth of Rahul Gandhi, analysis is ready only I have to put in format, corroborated his father's professon work connected to pilot and Govt and his departure from Earth, his Grand ma's same and his mom's profession career from Rahul Gandhi chart, and why he was elected in Amethi during the dasa bhukti period

[anuradha]

Rahul Gandhi
The search for the correct horoscope of Rahul Gandhi must come to an end after the following news item in the Indian Express reproduced below.

Khaled Ahmed
The Indian Express
Updated: Fri, 1 Nov 2013, 18:36 IST- Delhi Underground: Meticulous records - Express News Service : New Delhi, Mon Oct 21 2013, 03:02 hrs. - Holy Family Hospital, which is celebrating its diamond jubilee, has meticulously maintained medical records in yellowing registers. Started in 1953 by missionaries, the hospital has witnessed the births of Rahul and Priyanka Gandhi. Both have been identified as “baby Sonia Gandhi” in hospital records. Sonia Gandhi, then 23 years old, gave birth to Rahul on 19.6.1970 at 2.28 pm. She was admitted to the hospital at 9.10 am the same day. Priyanka was born on 12.1.1972 at 5.05 pm. Both were examined by pediatrician Dr P N Taneja. Congress president Sonia Gandhi had congratulated the hospital in a one-page note that has now been printed as a souvenir of the hospital, produced for its diamond jubilee.”

Re: Kemadrum Yoga
Unread postby Lex » 28 Dec 2015, 23:12

Hi VT

Dynasty's chart, Chandra is not deposited in Moola nakshtra. Rahul Gandhi's Chandra is deposited in Jyesta nakshatra and Chandra flanked by Guru... therefore Kemadrma yoga doesn't exist

On that day, when he was born Chandra was transiting from Jyesta nk in Vrichika to Moolam in Dhanur

The time quoted is flawed and it was reproduced from a media publication, without vetting the time of birth astrologically. It is a crude method of putting a celebrity data

His lagna is also not Thula or Libra, again flawed

I will demonstrate may be tomorrow or day after with the time of birth of Rahul Gandhi, analysis is ready only I have to put in format, corroborated his father's professon work connected to pilot and Govt and his departure from Earth, his Grand ma's same and his mom's profession career from Rahul Gandhi chart, and why he was elected in Amethi during the dasa bhukti period

Again you jump in this thread to create controversy. What is so crude about the birth details? The time of birth quoted is verified from the Holy family hospital, New Delhi. If you have any proof to show that these birth details are wrong then show the proof or withdraw this offensive and irrelevant post.

[anuradha]

e: Kemadrum Yoga
Postby Lex » 28 Dec 2015, 18:36

VioletTwilight wrote:
anuradha wrote:
Nothing get cancelled in astrology the planet in kendra only help to improve it a bit. In this case the aspect of Sun[11L, friends and good contacts, royal people] and Mars[ 7L, partnership and family 2L] is helping .


anuradha wrote:
It looks Sun and Mars in Kendra from Moon is not helping Mr Rahul Gandhi.


But helping with what? And not helping with what?

Sun+Mars has definitely worked to keep him rich. This would be classic definition of cancellation since he is not just "above average" or "upper middle class". If kemadruma is daridra yoga, then it is measurably not true in this case.

On the other hand, if we take subtle interpretation of "influence of mind on decision-making and accepting advice, loneliness" then it is difficult to quantify what is helping and what is not helping. Then, we can say nothing is cancelled. But this single yoga doesn't make the horoscope "weak" either.


Hi VT

Whose chart we are in, if it is Our Ex-PM's dynasty chart and discussing on Kemadruma, we need to verify and audit the Genethelical data details, when I say audit means scientifically through astrologically and not by hear-say, and even by hear-say adopting such birth details, we need to verify through astrological analysis.

In the mean time, if I have the time, I will see Dynasty chart and corroborate with father's event, grand ma's event, as the same has to feature in chart and Mother was one time airhostess, that also has to be seen

Prime Minsiterial position etc becomes secondary evaluation, dynasty has won the recent Loksabha election, when his party was bull dozed by opposition in winning margin, so we have to respect his conduct with masses which is evident ,as he won the election

Now lets come back to Kemadruma
Whats our Sages said in Sanskrit
In Sanskrit, Kema-Druma means... it is pertaining to a tree
Our Sages always respected nature, while quantifying a yoga pertaining to a tree

If Chandra been talked about, Chandra is watery sign lord, for a tree growth water is essential, even Cactus retains water for long time

It also conveys , is the birth of a native took place in watery place ? or Chandra denoting a tree( Kema druma), native mind is fixed like a tree and grows towards Sunlight, or native's mind preserves nature's ethics

Kema druma is nothing connected with Prosperity like WEalth or position

Prosperityto be seen from 2nd and 11th lord depositions and its depositors in varga charts and also analsysis of Dasa-Bhukti period

Any kind of decision is seen from or intent from 3rd cusp lord and its depositions and its afflictions, Chandra's depositions will say a nature but 3rd cusp depositions what one will do in Dasa/ bhukti.. or in a day's of weeks or to be precise even subsubsub in Hora time

We will see Dynasty chart Genethelical data verification through scientifically....contd

Kemdruma is opposite to Kalpadrum, Kalpadrum means a wish fulfilling divine tree in Hindu mythology , originated during the churning of the ocean . Lord Shiva's daughter Ashokasundari was created from Kalpavirsha tree by Parvati to alleviates her loneliness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalpavriksha

kalpadruma or kalpapādapa, is a wish-fulfilling divine tree in Hindu mythology. It was mentioned in Sanskrit literature from the earliest sources onwards. It is a popular theme in Jain cosmology and Buddhism. Sage Durvasa and Adi Shankaracharya, meditated under the Kalpavriksha. Shiva's daughter Ashokasundari was created from Kalpavriksha tree by Parvati, to alleviate her loneliness. Another daughter Aranyani was also gifted to Kalapvriksha for safekeeping.

Ashokasundari was created from the wish-fulfilling tree Kalpavriksha when Parvati wished for reducing her loneliness. The words in her name are derived from her creation. "Ashok" refers to the easing of Parvati's "shok," which means sorrow, while "sundari" means "beautiful girl".[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashokasundari
So it is quite clear from the above reference that the people with Kemdrum Yoga feel very lonely.

[anuradha]

Re: Kemadrum Yoga
Postby Helios » 29 Dec 2015, 10:44

anuradha wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashokasundari
So it is quite clear from the above reference that the people with Kemdrum Yoga feel very lonely.


Thanks for the reference. Does this KD yoga do anything else other than making the person feel lonely?

And for the chart i have posted you have said that "unable to take decision to be one of the symptom".... but i never had this issue, i do take decisions and stay firm on the same to make them work though i do feel lonely at times.

Thanks and regards.

Thanks a lot for the feedback. I hope now you have understood the Kemdrum Yoga properly with the help of this mythological story. Yes feeling of loneliness is the biggest issue and due to the unstable thought process decisions get delayed.

[Lex]

e: Kemadrum Yoga
Postby Lex » 28 Dec 2015, 18:36
Now lets come back to Kemadruma
Whats our Sages said in Sanskrit
In Sanskrit, Kema-Druma means... it is pertaining to a tree
Our Sages always respected nature, while quantifying a yoga pertaining to a tree


We will see Dynasty chart Genethelical data verification through scientifically....contd

Kemdruma is opposite to Kalpadrum, Kalpadrum means a wish fulfilling divine tree in Hindu mythology , originated during the churning of the ocean . Lord Shiva's daughter Ashokasundari was created from Kalpavirsha tree by Parvati to alleviates her loneliness.


So it is quite clear from the above reference that the people with Kemdrum Yoga feel very lonely.

ARE WE DISCUSSING KALPADRUMA/PARIJATA YOGA IN DYNASTY CHART..... NOW THE DEBATE IS GOING TO DIFFERENT TANGENT

I see nothing but a WIKIPEDIA EDITED VERSION LINK( ANYONE CAN EDIT, IT IS NOT MEANT FOR RESEARCH) that has naff-all to do with what been written and posted, and also what written has naff-all to do with DYNASTY CHART ANALYSIS astrology.

I take this opportunity to wish ALL MEMBERS here a most clement 2016 filled with good health, happiness and more of it, and please continue to read as thread bare will debate only with scientific astrology pertaining to Dynasty chart. I had concluded Dynasty doesn't have Kema druma yoga, so matter is put at rest, folk will quote all but astrology scientific analysis.



O.K. ... Now lets start ball rolling , and keeping aside Kalpadurma yoga write up, it is not pertaining to debate nor I am interested in evaluating such yoga in Dynasty Genethilical chart.

1. WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE of supporting Hospital records of birth time, through Hospital legitimate document signed by Dean or CEO or Record section officer of that hospital

2. It is privy and confidential data section of records, only Gazatted officer can peruse such privy documents after getting sanction. No one will be authorized to enter in record section of hospital nor at mortuary place, such entry required appropriate approval documents for future audit and legal recourses.

3. Did you analyze the chart with that quoted time and please corroborate events of his late Dad, late grand ma, his entry in politics, his any FBI arrest involved in the past, etc How astrologically, the time reported been checked not by hospital records or by hear-say, it is mandatory for anyone analyzing a chart, fundamental is agreeing to time of birth and to be demonstrated ...IS IT A LIVE CHART?

4. Kema Druma, as I said pertaining to a tree, Kema means a fruit, or ber fruit or Indian plum, or like Dates or Jejub fruit tree. Whats the significance of Kema druma... translating to English, Jejubi Tree, Lord Rama had blessed the Kema Druma, even if tree is cut off, Kema Druma will have inheritance strength to grow as like before.
Lord Rama been given half eaten Kema druma's fruit by Sabhari, which later on helped Lord to come to conscious level after Indrajeet sent an astra to make them ever unconscious both Lord and Lakshmana, but Lakshmana was saved by Hanuman by bringing Sanjeevani
Kema druma is in Sages period, used to grow in Megha or Himalayan parvat and near Ganga river
Veda Vyasar born were or when He was fully covered by Kema Druma or in English translation..Jejube trees
KemaDruma is auspicious to Almighty

5. If Media reports been quoted, lets another media publishing reporting Dynasty born on June 18,1970 and birth time 2152 hrs

6.We cant bank on Media reports ( unless it is Reuters, they substantiate with Evidence) on celebrity birth time


Members, now we will see scientifically how to test a Birth time...... contd

I am giving some clues ( ofcourse my analysis of Dynasty chart BTR been done yesterday), through Heaven's map and K.P.Ayanamsa( in modulated with Drik calculation)
Yesterday was Monday.... Chandra, where was Chandra.... Chandra was in own sign and she was transiting in Aslesha, so Budha
Who was aspecting her yesterday only Budha from Shani's sign
So Budha has nakshatras where... Cancer sign , in Vrichika sign or Scorpio and in Meena

But our Dynasty was born on that day, Chandra till morning was transiting in Vrischika or Scorpio
So, Meena or Cancer/Karkata out of question

Chandra wasnt aspected by Grahas except Budha

So our native has to be born in the morning, Chandra in Jyesta nk, Budha and on that day of his birth Budha also aspects Chandra

His Janma nk is Jyesta ...... Sealed

[anuradha]

ARE WE DISCUSSING KALPADRUMA/PARIJATA YOGA IN DYNASTY CHART..... NOW THE DEBATE IS GOING TO DIFFERENT TANGENT

I see nothing but a WIKIPEDIA EDITED VERSION LINK( ANYONE CAN EDIT, IT IS NOT MEANT FOR RESEARCH) that has naff-all to do with what been written and posted, and also what written has naff-all to do with DYNASTY CHART ANALYSIS astrology.

I take this opportunity to wish ALL MEMBERS here a most clement 2016 filled with good health, happiness and more of it, and please continue to read as thread bare will debate only with scientific astrology pertaining to Dynasty chart. I had concluded Dynasty doesn't have Kema druma yoga, so matter is put at rest, folk will quote all but astrology scientific analysis.

When you do not know the meaning of Kemdrum then better not to write anything here. I always give the relevant mythological reference for better understanding. Also given the source of the birth details of Rahul Gandhi i.e Diamond jubilee souvenir of Holy family hospital. Since you are saying it is not correct please give the proof of that, do not talk irrelevant.

[anuradha]

Members, now we will see scientifically how to test a Birth time...... contd

I am giving some clues ( ofcourse my analysis of Dynasty chart BTR been done yesterday), through Heaven's map and K.P.Ayanamsa( in modulated with Drik calculation)
Yesterday was Monday.... Chandra, where was Chandra.... Chandra was in own sign and she was transiting in Aslesha, so Budha
Who was aspecting her yesterday only Budha from Shani's sign
So Budha has nakshatras where... Cancer sign , in Vrichika sign or Scorpio and in Meena

But our Dynasty was born on that day, Chandra till morning was transiting in Vrischika or Scorpio
So, Meena or Cancer/Karkata out of question

Chandra wasnt aspected by Grahas except Budha

So our native has to be born in the morning, Chandra in Jyesta nk, Budha and on that day of his birth Budha also aspects Chandra

His Janma nk is Jyesta ...... Sealed

Please let me know under which science you are testing the birth time . Which classic of Vedic astrology endorses that? You give me the reference? Do not jump to conclusion without any proof.

Kalpvrksha or kalpadrum has the same meaning[ opposite to kemdrum] i.e the tree that grants any boon

I am enclosing the link of Sanskrit -English translation.


http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?scri ... rection=AU

[anuradha]

4. Kema Druma, as I said pertaining to a tree, Kema means a fruit, or ber fruit or Indian plum, or like Dates or Jejub fruit tree. Whats the significance of Kema druma... translating to English, Jejubi Tree, Lord Rama had blessed the Kema Druma, even if tree is cut off, Kema Druma will have inheritance strength to grow as like before.
Lord Rama been given half eaten Kema druma's fruit by Sabhari, which later on helped Lord to come to conscious level after Indrajeet sent an astra to make them ever unconscious both Lord and Lakshmana, but Lakshmana was saved by Hanuman by bringing Sanjeevani
Kema druma is in Sages period, used to grow in Megha or Himalayan parvat and near Ganga river
Veda Vyasar born were or when He was fully covered by Kema Druma or in English translation..Jejube trees
KemaDruma is auspicious to Almighty

Druma means tree.
http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?tinp ... choice=yes

Fruit- in sanskrit is Phala not Kema

http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?tinp ... choice=yes

Kalpa means competent, most complete in six vedangas

http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?tinp ... choice=yes

[VioletTwilight]

Re: Kemadrum Yoga
Postby VioletTwilight » 28 Dec 2015, 10:12

anuradha wrote:
Nothing get cancelled in astrology the planet in kendra only help to improve it a bit. In this case the aspect of Sun[11L, friends and good contacts, royal people] and Mars[ 7L, partnership and family 2L] is helping .


anuradha wrote:
It looks Sun and Mars in Kendra from Moon is not helping Mr Rahul Gandhi.


But helping with what? And not helping with what?

Sun+Mars has definitely worked to keep him rich. This would be classic definition of cancellation since he is not just "above average" or "upper middle class". If kemadruma is daridra yoga, then it is measurably not true in this case.

On the other hand, if we take subtle interpretation of "influence of mind on decision-making and accepting advice, loneliness" then it is difficult to quantify what is helping and what is not helping. Then, we can say nothing is cancelled. But this single yoga doesn't make the horoscope "weak" either.

He is not in parliament to be rich all is said in the perspective to be the prime minister of India or the minister in the government or an effective leader of masses , kindly read the article. Surely Kemdrum Moon is the obstacle to take the right decision in crucial moments.

Dear anuradha,

Namaste.

Please note that I am not writing to create controversy. I did read the article and it doesn't make sense to me why kemadruma yoga need to be made the highest flaw given his chart isn't supporting "effective leader of masses" anyway due to poor 7th house and 11th house issues, and not too strong Sun (dispositor in 12th from own house). If a yoga is held as the reason for a particular outcome, then it must be shown that the outcomes of that yoga are promising those things. Kemadruma yoga isn't about leadership at all. It is not some Sun-related yoga or Mahapurusha yoga, which can be understood to deal with leadership. Then, why blame it in the first place?

Since you mentioned to look at charts of people in real life, I am writing it from the perspective of real life people too. I have an unmitigated kemadruma yoga with 6th house Moon in Moola and no other planets in kendra to Moon and none of them aspecting Moon. This didn't prevent me from either making friends, having a married life, or living a regular middle class life. But, one thing that seems run through everyone with unmitigated kemadruma yoga is "introversion". I prefer to spend time alone and with my books rather than chat with people. It makes me very tired when I have to interact with large groups of people.

My husband, and my sister have also kemadruma yoga but with grahas in 7th from them. This made them have lot of friends, and my husband is an effective leader and manages up to 50-100 people in the construction industry depending on the project. Please see their charts below. My sister's chart is very accurate and verified by multiple family members because of her birth circumstances. Contrary to me, she is an extrovert and prefers to always talk to someone, and again leading a regular middle class life.

Sister:
3:00 AM, 22 Oct 1980, Tirupathi India

Spouse:
2:44 AM, 23 Feb 1970, Badvel India (Dhanur lagna)

Also, if anyone is using JHora software, look up the chart of JHora software author, PVR Narasimha Rao that comes with the software package. By strict definition of Kemadruma yoga, he also have it. His life history is also known from his website.

I am writing all this, just to give comfort to people who have kemadruma yoga and is worried about poverty and other interpretations of the yoga. This is quite common yoga and has minor impact on the personality but nothing strong to make or break any other good yogas.

Best regards,
Violet

[anuradha]

Thanks for the detailed feedback. I have never said that you accept my version of'' Kemdrum Yoga'' since I learned the subject from Sh K.N Rao ji I accept whatever Guruji writes on J.O.A. In the effort to understand this Yoga I find the mythological connection[Kalpadrum] to understand this Yoga better. The real meaning seems that the people with Kemdrum Yoga feel very lonely and lonely people are unable to connect with masses to be a good leader. No friend or too many friends is the result of one inner feeling i.e loneliness.regards

[anuradha]

Thanks for the classical information. I will check it in the other translations of B.P.H.S.

[Lex]

Re: Kemadrum Yoga

Namaste.

I did read the article and it doesn't make sense to me why kemadruma yoga need to be made the highest flaw given his chart isn't supporting "effective leader of masses" anyway due to poor 7th house and 11th house issues, and not too strong Sun (dispositor in 12th from own house). , PVR Narasimha Rao that comes with the software package. By strict definition of Kemadruma yoga, he also have it. His life history is also known from his website.

I am writing all this, just to give comfort to people who have kemadruma yoga and is worried about poverty and other interpretations of the yoga. This is quite common yoga and has minor impact on the personality but nothing strong to make or break any other good yogas.

Best regards,
Violet

One of my all time in last century or so, greatest astrologers ever produced in India, in the field of astrological scientific research, are Late B.V.Raman ji, Late Prof.K.S.K ( my Guru's Guru or my Uncles' Guru), Pandit Sanjay Rath ji and his brilliant student PVN Rao ji. Of traditional astrology practitioner, I am a great fan of Pt.Rath

I have been all the time saying, BJP's christened name on native, Sehazada, doesn't have a Kemadruma yoga. Native's Guru is flanking Chandra on one side. He is Jyesta nk

When he is Jyesta nk, that means he was born in morning hours, so his lagna cannot be in Libra or Tula..... 2nd sealed

One more clue, members, how to do BTR or analysis, now we will take more important Graha, BABY STAR.. Ravi ,Ravi or Sun is a star twinkles in the Celestial Map
On Monday I did and completed BJP christened name Sehazada native's BTR
We know, our Celestial map is or a normal zodiac, is an imaginary 360 degrees, our sages per Lord Siva's , 27 nakshatras, 7 planets and 2 Chaya planets ( or grahas) and 12 houses or Bhavas or cusps.
Now our Earth is not a round shaped celestial body, therefore assuming if wee were to dissect a round shaped object in to 12 parts, we will never get equal part of 12 a piece.
Therefore, members, one born in a specific latitude at a given time or even twins or triplets born at a same latitude or hospital, but they will differ in time of birth by few minutes between them. Therefore Janma nk will be same, Same lagna, Same placements of Grahas will be alike in their Rasi charts, when One uses traditional astrology, Sripathi system
How we can improve and better clarity in a three dimension prognosis view is through mapping of details of Genethilical, how work out not through Sripathi system, it has to be worked out with unequal houses system or cusps or bhavas, and taking the longitudinal deposition of sign. how it is deposited like Mesha whether Aswini nk pada 1 or 2 or Krittika nk etc
Remember, members, in a twin births, one twin after grown up will be poverty stricken and the other reaping prosperity
So, only Scientific Research oriented minds can think better( instead some one will prefer copy pasting Treta yuga modern day commentaries, thinks all time Treta yuga sages been coached them and copy pasting irrelevant links to create smoke screen to digress away from the point of view or debate )
How it is seen, Prosperity or point of fortuna is an important mathematical calculation in astrology, this mathematical calculation per native chart is different, it transits fast in the imaginary Heaven's map or Zodiac , faster than lagna, lagna is faster than Chandra, 10th cusp ( professional karma etc) transits faster than Chandra..... so on
Therefore one's Destiny is Predestined from Heavens during the conception as a foetus in mother's womb

..Coming back to Ravi placement in Dynasty chart
Day before... Ravi was placed Guru's sign in Moola nk ( the latitude I was in during my analysis day before yesterday)
Guru aspects Ravi, Guru aspects Mesha sign,Ketu lording as an agent for Guru ,
Ravi aspects Budha sign, i.e. Gemini sign
We all know, Nirayana Zodiac chart, Ravi transits in Mesha every year 14th April, he is born during June.... So Rahul Gandhi's Ravi should be in Gemini
Day before yesterday's my analysis on his Ravi with his chart getting aligned... Ravi in Gemini
Ravi also in his chart, Saggitarius sign
The deposition i.e. Ravi's longitude in nk and its sub... will tell you later
Now Guru in his chart on his born day, aspects Ravi and also aspects Mesha sign
So his Ravi in Gemini... fag end of short ascension

He was born in Delhi, take Pragati Maidan or Okhla area as longitude and latitude, and calculate the sunrise time on his born date...

I had already said, he was born in morning hours ( when I say morning hours means from Sunrise to a little time ahead of noon)

I have given lot of clues, including Budha, Chandra, Ravi, Guru's placement..... Now it will be easy to calculate his ascendant or lagna

Any one want to try ( please refrain from quoting from Internet data oor Media reports or Hospital's one of the doctor informed a media, for photosop opportunity, or for selfie with Media) at his lagna, I would appreciate, even you can post which lagna don't mention even degrees, but in that I need the reasoning with astrological analysis, if K.P. Followers wants to give a shot, than per K.P. style and a typical K.P. research analysis backed by scientific correlations

....I will wait for two days for participants to try at his BTRed lagna ( with Chandra in Scorpio), than will start responding

Members, please continue to read this post, thread-bare of flawed birth time been circulated,without any astrological analysis nor any legitimate birth documents, signed statements or Indoor admission hospital admittance or case paper or discharge summary of native etc ...these are legal documents stands scrutiny during analysis or audit or debates etc

[anuradha]

One of my all time in last century or so, greatest astrologers ever produced in India, in the field of astrological scientific research, are Late B.V.Raman ji, Late Prof.K.S.K ( my Guru's Guru or my Uncles' Guru), Pandit Sanjay Rath ji and his brilliant student PVN Rao ji. Of traditional astrology practitioner, I am a great fan of Pt.Rath

I have been all the time saying, BJP's christened name on native, Sehazada, doesn't have a Kemadruma yoga. Native's Guru is flanking Chandra on one side. He is Jyesta nk

Please enlighten all of us how you arrive that he has Jyestha Nakshtra, any proof?

So, only Scientific Research oriented minds can think better( instead some one will prefer copy pasting Treta yuga modern day commentaries, thinks all time Treta yuga sages been coached them and copy pasting irrelevant links to create smoke screen to digress away from the point of view or debate )
How it is seen, Prosperity or point of fortuna is an important mathematical calculation in astrology, this mathematical calculation per native chart is different, it transits fast in the imaginary Heaven's map or Zodiac , faster than lagna, lagna is faster than Chandra, 10th cusp ( professional karma etc) transits faster than Chandra..... so on
Therefore one's Destiny is Predestined from Heavens during the conception as a foetus in mother's womb

Kindly explain that super method you are talking.

Members, please continue to read this post, thread-bare of flawed birth time been circulated,without any astrological analysis nor any legitimate birth documents, signed statements or Indoor admission hospital admittance or case paper or discharge summary of native etc ...these are legal documents stands scrutiny during analysis or audit or debates etc

Proof is already given.

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