Mars-Venus Conjunction

[bhadsanjay]

Hi All,

I wanted to know if Mars-Venus conjunction is good or bad. I have read that if Venus is associated with such planets like Sun, Rahu or Mars, then it is not good for married life. There may be separation or divorce in this state and a person may have number of marriages depending on the number of these planets which are sitting with Venus.
Also the spouse of such a person will be very dominating and the person himself will have artistic abilities and will be famous among ladies or opposite sex.
He or she is very polite in nature but will not be satisfied with his married life.
Any views on this ??

[elipsis]

I don't think Mars-Venus conjunction is bad for marriage, in fact its the only genuine combination for marriage but it creates both attraction and repulsion at the same time, which means if either of them is stronger then there is a chance of breakup. When it comes to marriage and partnerships there shouldn't any planet that overpowers the other because it will always end in tragedy after sometime. A partnership runs only on equal footing but when one partner tries to take advantage of the other then breakup would be inevitable.

But Mars and Venus isn't enough for marriage. In Indian system, marriage is considered as an eternal bond which seals the destinies of two individuals with common purpose, so we have to take Ketu into account as well. Ketu creates karmic bonds between individuals or between two souls. The word Magala-Sutra shows Mars and Ketu, so in the chart Mars and Ketu must be well placed

But in other types of marriages, Ketu is not considered at all because when you consider Marriage as a mere partnership or a contract then naturally you need not consider other planets

Jupiter who represents the priest is the witness, when Jupiter is not well placed marriage may not take place in presence of a priest or a religious head. Also if Sun and Moon is not well placed then marriage may take place without the consent of parents.

[believer_astro]

Hi Elipsis Sir:

Some of the facts mentioned by you are spot on.
My Jupiter is placed in 6H with Mars in ardra nk. I had a court marriage...no priest was present for my marriage.

I had a few Qs on the mars-venus conjunction.

What if the conjunction is in 11th house - Libra (Venus's MK sign) and you have sun and mercury with it all within 5 degrees of sun?
IMO, Venus will be strong as venus also holds the lower degree for the case I am ref to.

Also, how does Ketu placement define the karmic bond? please can you throw more light on it.

Thanks

[elipsis]

This is known as Graha Cheda (kannada word), it has been mentioned in a few texts. It means when a planet apart from its karakatva does something else it creates a hole (weakness) in its primary karakatwa. Here you have 11th lord venus in its own house but there are other planets are dependent on its placement - which compels Venus to share its resources. So if venus isn't strong enough it creates a number of weaknesses eventually turning into doshas

1. Ve+Sun = problems with regard to child birth or father-in-law will be very tough. This has nothing to do with combustion.
2. Ve+Ma+Su = This creates dosha with regard to spouse and in-laws which can be partially resolved by staying away from the in-laws.
3. Ve+Me+Su = Education delays/denies marriage

This is mainly because Venus is compelled to do other things besides what it is supposed to do. The primary karakatwa of Venus is marriage, wealth, pleasures and so on but when it distributes energy with other karkas then bad things will happen.

Many of the Graha Cheda doshas can be resolved by simply adjusting the lifestyle but that requires some sacrifices on your part. I have always said this but planets do not have unlimited power...when a planet changes its primary karakatva and uses its power for some other purpose planet then it will not work as intended and would lose its power very fast. For instance, if 2nd lord is in 10th and if 2nd lord is used for profession then the family bhava(2nd) will be uprooted. But this is also subject to its placement, dignity, shad bala and so on.

As for Ketu it shows family roots which is very important if you want the marriage to be eternal. So Mars-Ketu, Moon-Ketu, Mars-Jupiter-Ketu, Sun-Ketu....many such combinations show family roots with respect to different karkas and most of them lead to traditional marriages in Indian system. Let us assume there is Mars-Ketu in bride's chart and Sun in the same sign in the groom's chart - this shows that bride is signing a karmic bond with the groom's family because it creates Mars-Ketu-Sun bond.

Regards

[believer_astro]

Thanks Elipsis Sir.
Just a few follow on Qs for more clarity-

Doesn't combusted Venus causes issues in marriage?
What about conjunction of mars+venus+mercury+sun in 11th house for saggitarius lagna? this means 5th , 7th , 9th and 11th lors are all in 11th house .

[elipsis]

Thanks Elipsis Sir.
Just a few follow on Qs for more clarity-

Doesn't combusted Venus causes issues in marriage?

No, there are many cases of married couples where Venus is 100% combust and they are doing perfectly fine. Sun to be taken as father-in-law, so it depends on his chart how smooth it will be. Unlike other planets, Jupiter and Venus remain largely unaffected by combustion - the only area where they become vulnerable is when it comes to progeny where transiting planets in rasi sandhi have an effect on their powers.

What about conjunction of mars+venus+mercury+sun in 11th house for saggitarius lagna? this means 5th , 7th , 9th and 11th lors are all in 11th house .

As I said venus is powerless because every other planet is depending on its resources.

[bhadsanjay]

Hi Elipsis,

You seem to have a deep understanding of various conjunctions. As I mentioned in one of my posts, Sun+Venus+mercury or Sun+mercury +venus +mars is a bad conjuction which destroys married life. In hindi it means that "Rupaya Paisa, Aisho aaram, Patni ke such" In sab mein kami karta hai .

mars+venus+mercury+sun combination as asked by someone below is not good for all the things I mentioned above.
So such a person would many times like to run away from family life and become a saint and also venus and mercury together creates malefic mars which means such a person will not get support of brothers or his brothers would not a very happy relationship and there would always be some troubles after some celebrations are done.

[tanmish]

Hi Bhadsanjay (and ellipsis, et al) -

In my view, these dicta don't always work hard-and-fast as indicated. Believer_Astro wanted to know the effect of Sun + Venus + Mercury + Mars specifically in 11H - you'd need to look at what houses, nakshatras, and dasha/transits those planets and their conjunction would signify. So the full chart needs to be reviewed. In astrology, every exception has a rule i.e. there are more exceptions than there's rules.

Also, Sun/Mercury/Venus will not create problems in every horoscope in every situation. Need to see what houses they occupy, and what are the relative positions vis-a-vis other planets. Likewise, there are many Ucchha/Neecha bhangas that operate. Any astrologer will tell you that the fact you're born as a human is itself a big raj-yoga, the accumulation of lots of past life good karma (Personally, I believe otherwise - we seem to think so because humans are at the top of the food chain NOW, wait till another species or sub-species, evolves faster and further than us. better yet, some alien non-humanoid life-form will get really irritated at how we're trashing the lonely planet and kick us to the curb. Animals, flaura, fauna, all the dogs, horses, dolphins, even reptiles are far superior to stupid humans. We just can't see it, nor appreciate it. Collectively, we amount to ZILCH - 80% of people world-wide live in poverty, we're still fighting the same wars that we fought 5000 years ago, albeit with new weaponry. So much for being an advanced species)

IMO, the approximations of celestial distances and the constant relative motion of all heavenly bodies makes a perfect case for non-predictability. Sun's distance is 92.96 million miles from Earth. Tomorrow it might be 93.1 M, day after it might be 92.9 M and so on. Take into account solar flares, sun spots, storms and what not happening on Sun's surface. Given all these, its tough to make accurate predictions about human activities that can be quantified into measurable results. We live in an age of hyper-precision. Robots conduct surgery (lasik), they build cars and VLSI circuits, they've landed on Mars (NASA's Rover), and the Europeans are putting up a giant astro-telescope in Brazil (or is it Argentina) that will split a laser beam in space, and then recombine it to capture images of distant red giants, white dwarfs, and super-dense black holes. This mega-mirror will totally "dwarf" the one in Mauna Kea, the Hawaiian observatory.

TM

Psssst - did you get the contradiction I just made ... OK, so we're advanced and not-so-advanced at the same time. Nonetheless, your comments welcome... Happy Diwali to all!!

[d-lod]

ELIPSIS ji

what if sun+moon+venus+styrn in 1st house of scorpion lagn

thank you

[believer_astro]

Hi Tanmish:

Thanks for your response. Yes I understand the contradictions that exist. My Qs was around venus + mars combination....more because there are so many things that people say about it...some say , its good and some say it gives multiple relationships and hence is not good for a long term relationship like marriage as it can give extra marital affair(s).

and presence of sun could just make this worse.

But like Elipsis sir pointed out, IMO venus loses a lot of its effect when there are 4 planets with it. All within 11 degrees of each other and SUN and in 11th house for saggitarius lagna. But the saving grace in the chart I am referring to is Jupiter aspecting all 4 from 3H (though Jupiter is retrograde!!).

So like Elipsis Sir said , venus is losing strength...and I do agree to that.

[elipsis]

ELIPSIS ji

what if sun+moon+venus+styrn in 1st house of scorpion lagn

thank you

Typical bad combination- doesn't do any good. Too many planets in scorpio is a recipe for disaster.

[elipsis]

How about venus 5* [Virgo - Uttaraphal] + Sun 14* [Virgo - Hasta] + Exalted & retro Mer 16* [Virgo - Hasta] + sat 29* [Virgo - Chitra] all 4 in 9th house Virgo?

Here education has been kind of denied (early dropout from 2 different colleges in 2 diff nations and success in business front) and marriage seems delayed (though no sincere attempts were made inspite of over 3 proposals knocking ta door during second half of 2015 alone).

So this means VE being 10th lord in 9 delays/denies education and delays marriage but helps (or is it JU helping?) in career?

Saturn-Mercury especially in the sign of virgo or if either saturn or mercury occupy each other's navamsa it creates a sort of dull mindedness which is known as mandha Budhi Yoga so when this combination exists I usually advice people to go for a course that is more geared toward medium skilled labor - such as being a loco pilot in the railways or jobs that involve operating heavy machinery.

As usual Saturn and Venus combination will delay marriage until you get a proper job or a reliable source of income. This is normally seen in the charts where Saturn is ahead of Venus in a particular sign. I remember a story where one smart alec asked Shukracharya the secret of wealth and a remedy for chandradosha, the sage replied "Do karma"...so even Venus doesn't give wealth, marriage or comforts in its dasa no matter what bhava or dignity if Saturn and moon isn't active in the chart.

For capricorn lagna 4th and 11th lord Mars in 11 helps more on profits and not on family or relates profit via family business (spouse from business side)?

Best regards,
Pearl

Only if other planets aren't dependent on Mars. To give an example: let us say you start an appliance store before building/buying a house, there mars which represents Energy will push all its energy towards churning profits or it uses its energy to create wealth and luxury (represented by venus) but at the same time it will slowly lose it's primary karakatva thereby making it difficult for you to build a house and also overtime you'd lose your business too because if you can't build a house you are not doing well financially anyway. This is what it means by karaka going powerless. This science of transmutation i.e, using one planetary energy and converting it another was widely practiced by ancient astrologers in India but today most commercial astrologers don't even understand what it means to have a planet in a sign or a bhava. When you think of these 12 bhavas you must also understand the sensitive nature of these planets and their effect on your life. People always rant about Jupiter being a karaka for wealth but do you really want to churn money at the cost of your life? because Jupiter is the primary karaka for life so without it there is no life to experience wealth.

Regards

[elipsis]

Saturn-Mercury especially in the sign of virgo or if either saturn or mercury occupy each other's navamsa it creates a sort of dull mindedness which is known as mandha Budhi Yoga so when this combination exists I usually advice people to go for a course that is more geared toward medium skilled labor - such as being a loco pilot in the railways or jobs that involve operating heavy machinery.

Here the person has dropped out from higher education but has achieved good and continued success initially in Armed forces (non-combat and no hard labor) then in IT fields and later in finance + IT Business related career. So how does this "mandha Budhi Yoga" applies here? or does some planet cancels this?

You'd have done well operating heavy machinery or a being a soldier. But that didn't happen because of Venus and Mercury/Sun (read the graha cheda part in my earlier posts) but the yoga still remains.

Moon in 2nd (Aquarius), Ra in 7th (gemini), venus 5* [Virgo - Uttaraphal] + Sun 14* [Virgo - Hasta] + Exalted & retro Mer 16* [Virgo - Hasta] + sat 29* [Virgo - Chitra] all 4 in 9th house Virgo, Ju in 10th house (libra) and Ke in Sagittarius.

Rahu in 7th can't be Gemini. Its very tricky for me to read the chart the way you describe it.

Does other planet are dependent on Mars here? Will Mars in 11 helps more on profits and not on family or relates profit via family business (spouse from business side)?

You didn't understand what I wrote earlier. If you use Mars for 11th house it would lose the karakatva of the 4th, while the chart doesn't show any planet depending on mars that status may change according to dasa time period and transit you are going through.

I can't stretch this topic any further. It's going into territories which are off-topic.


Regards

[VioletTwilight]

Hi All,

I wanted to know if Mars-Venus conjunction is good or bad. I have read that if Venus is associated with such planets like Sun, Rahu or Mars, then it is not good for married life. There may be separation or divorce in this state and a person may have number of marriages depending on the number of these planets which are sitting with Venus.
Also the spouse of such a person will be very dominating and the person himself will have artistic abilities and will be famous among ladies or opposite sex.
He or she is very polite in nature but will not be satisfied with his married life.
Any views on this ??

Here is a previous discussion on this very topic: http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... =4&t=25494
Hope this helps.

Best regards,
Violet

[PV1993]

Hi Ellipsis ji,

In context of what has been said I have the following combinations

Asc in 3 deg Magha pad 2 Leo
Ve in 6 deg Magha pad 2 Leo
Su(U.Phal pad 3) Me(Hasta pad 2) Ju (Chitra pad 2) in 5, 23 & 25 deg Virgo
Ma (Chitra pad 3) in 2 deg Libra
Ra(Anuradha pad 2) Mo (Jyestha pad 3) in 12 deg & 27 deg Scorpio
Sa (Dhanista pad 3) in 0°54'Aquarius
Ke (Rohini pad 2) in 12 deg Taurus

I have Saturn (6th, 7th lord) Venus (3rd, 10th lord) in mutual aspect.

Also from Moon Venus becomes my 7th lord & 12th lord in 10th & Saturn becomes my 3rd & 4th lord in 4th. Here Mars becomes the 1st and 6th lord and aspects the 7th house from Moon.

Also in my Navamsa, as you would have probably made out by now by the nakshatra pad positions I've given, Mars my 7th Navamsa lord & 12th Navamsa lord is in Libra in 6th along with exalted navamsa yogakaraka Saturn and Rahu. From this position Mars puts its 8th aspect on my 1st house Taurus where again my 1st & 6th Navamsa lord Venus is present.

Given the huge interplay of Mars, Venus & Saturn in my chart alomg with the major interplay between 1st, 6th, 7th and 10th houses in both my Rashi & Navamsa chart, what can you predict about my marriage life.

I am really eager to hear about your conclusions as I am not aware on how to integrate navamsa with rasi while makong readings.

[elipsis]

Mars in 12th to Rahu-Moon can trigger foreign travels post-marriage or after higher education (due to mer/mo nakshatra exchange). Married life won't be smooth as Rahu-Mars sits in Libra Navamsa but I think you can manage since Jupiter is well placed.

[PV1993]

Thank you. I have infact travelled post graduation. Well not of course outside India but I think 2000 km from one state to another does qualify as foreign.

I am very much interested to know about the married life conclusion.

1.) Aren't we considering houses in Navamsa?
2.) Given Saturn and Venus and 10th, 1st and 7th houses are both heavily linked to each other by lordships and aspects in Rashi as well as in Navamsa then is it possible I get a working spouse?

3.) If so how do I determine the profession of my spouse? In my case what is your suggestion?

As always your stunning precinct really keeps me hooked to astrology.

[elipsis]

Thank you. I have infact travelled post graduation. Well not of course outside India but I think 2000 km from one state to another does qualify as foreign.

I am very much interested to know about the married life conclusion.

1.) Aren't we considering houses in Navamsa?

We can but it takes too much time to give such a detailed reading. Learning about the signs will give you plenty of clues. The deeper you go the more clues you get but if you are smart you'll get most of the information from rasi chart itself. And you'll get dasa results by applying Satyacharya's rules instead of others.

2.) Given Saturn and Venus and 10th, 1st and 7th houses are both heavily linked to each other by lordships and aspects in Rashi as well as in Navamsa then is it possible I get a working spouse?

Its possible - because Saturn having partial 7th aspect on venus gives you career boost through partner's assistance. Also venus in 11th to mars gets you similar help.

3.) If so how do I determine the profession of my spouse? In my case what is your suggestion?

Venus is in the Leo in Gemini navamsa, she could be in the field of management, HR or administration. She may not work later on.

Regards

[PV1993]

Wow thanks a lot elipsis ji. As always you amaze me.

Just a small correction here Venus in Magha pad 2 is in Taurus Navamsa not in Gemini navamsa. Can you please advise what happens on this?

Also in your posts I note that you take planetary positions from one another to make the predictions for ex Venus in 11th from Mars, Mars in 12th from Moon & Rahu.

How come are you able to predict them? I mean are these snapshot techniques you gathered from experience or is it in any classic? I am very much interested.

[elipsis]

Taurus navamsa can signify Finance, all fixed navamsas have some link to money.

I use nadi astrology techniques which doesn't really need lagna but you need experience and intuition. The longest pulse from a karaka has the highest sustainability and the shortest one is more inconsistent, the absence of ego (lagna) and the interaction between Prakriti, Purusa and Jeeva can give you more accurate direction of your life than when you use Lagna because our ego blocks us from knowing the right future. When you say "i am this person, I am supposed to be like this" you are falling right into the trap set for you, you cannot know what really happens but you can only get a reflection which is skewed and not exactly what you expected. The bhavas are of human creation, they are made for our convenience which is to compartmentalize human activity into manageable sections but in reality there are no bhavas up in the sky but only planets and stars.

Still knowing the lagna is important as it helps pin your physical circumstances and help you understand your karmic imbalances through the dasa.

Regards

[elipsis]

Movable signs aren't directly related to finance but if you look more closely the signs of Saturn denotes operating machinery, Libra shows scaling and measurements, Cancer shows Learning and Aries fitness, protection, guarding and son on. To know more about each sign you can read this topic: http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... 91#p219662

[Helios]

Movable signs aren't directly related to finance but if you look more closely the signs of Saturn denotes operating machinery, Libra shows scaling and measurements, Cancer shows Learning and Aries fitness, protection, guarding and son on. To know more about each sign you can read this topic: http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... 91#p219662

Thanks for the info and for the link,
in ref to d1 lagna Capricorn i've been related to public space (had promoted and seriously worked hard for indian celebrations abroad so was quite popular on this front).

and d9 lagna Aries i've been directly or indirectly associated with the armed forces.