Aspects of a debilitated planet

[astrocraze]

Hello

Can someone please clarify if a debilitated planet aspect is weak or powerful? What about special aspects also for debilitated planets say mars,Saturn,jupiter?

Thanks

[Mark_Graam]

How can you say that it' s not of much use. If there is the aspect of a benefic like Jupiter on a debilitated planet then it MUST result in some good for the debilitated planet. I don't agree with these pessimistic views. An aspect of jupiter always amounts to something good.

[joyd]

Mark-use the following logic for the answer.A debilitated planets means,it already shedded its ego[whether it is benefic or malefic] and the quite opposite is,a exalted planet is with full of ego[benefic or malefic].An ego shedded planet is more obedient and submissive in its nature. and an exalted planet is quite opposite to it.Now judge yourself whether a debilitated planet aspect is positive or negative/ powerful or weak.Post your views based on this logic.

joyd.

[rathore]

Debilitated doesn't mean powerless. Planets attain strength in various ways. This is why we see people doing just fine in debilitated planet's dasha. About the planets being full of ego, submissive and all, ignore that because statements like that are generally just another layer added to explain things away.

[joyd]

hope you are not catched my statement inner sense rathore..its not a layer.

joyd.

[rathore]

It is an additional layer because it came out of nowhere (i.e. no source cited) and then classified as 'logic'. And if there is no source (even a weak one to start considering), then we can label it as inner sense, outer sense, non-sense, yo-yo test, whatever... it is just an additional added layer.

[joyd]

sorry for your poor understanding.God bless you.

joyd.

[rathore]

it's alright ...

[GNE]

I will add that I've noticed debilitated jupiter's aspect has been great to those houses it aspects. (I am born 1985 , so I am pretty much all my friends have deb. jupiter... so I have studied such placement on many real life examples).

It seems even if jupiter's aspect is still doing some good, even if it is weaker than if it was aspecting from a stronger sign for itself.
(also yes we'd have to add the layer of seeing if jupiter is functional benefic/malefic for the ascendant ,etc...)

ex: Someone with debilitated jupiter in 8 has very positive 4-12-2 house significations in life.
someone with debilitated jupiter in 5, has not many 9-1-11 house problems...

I am not saying jupiter's aspect protects the houses so much that there is never an issue, as of course we'd need to see the entire chart together and combine what everything else is doing. But I am just adding that from what I've seen, the debilitated jupiter aspect is in no way harming.

saying aspect of debilitated planet = bad/useless is not true in my experience.

And I know I focused on jupiter here.... I also have examples where other debilitated planets aspects aren't doing any harm(mostly benefics...as it seems to me malefic aspects remain malefic, so it is difficult to judge just how much worse the debilitation is making them...)

[vj1981]

I have Sun the 3rd lord from both Ascendant and Moon debilitated in 5th house closely conjunct Ascendant lord Mercury. Jupiter is a few degrees behind in the same star but different pada, so does this help Sun's status or harms Jupiter's status but burning it?
How to check the strength of a debilitated planet, if it is debilitated in multiple divisions(D1, D9, D10...) ? Also, how will Sun's aspect on 11th house Aries help the 11th house affairs?

[joyd]

GNE/rathore-An ego shedded planet is more obedient and submissive in its nature. and an exalted planet is quite opposite to it.

What the above lines inner sense?An Ego shedded planets aspect is always good but where as an egoistic planets aspect is mostly bad[ruins] .Ego shedded planet aspect is always smooth.

joyd.

[Suresh_Chauhan]

An Ego shedded planets aspect is always good but where as an egoistic planets aspect is mostly bad[ruins] .Ego shedded planet aspect is always smooth.

Are you sure? Because what if the Exalted planet is Jupiter or Venus? Both are natural benifics. Will exalted Jupiter's aspect cause ruins, due to its ego? This is contrary to the universal truth that all astros agree -- that Jupiter's aspects are good, esp. when he's a functional benefic for the chart (and if he isn't , then he still is less harmful BECAUSE of his good nature). Hope you agree?

[joyd]

suresh-what is the key word for jupiter ?

joyd.

[Suresh_Chauhan]

If it is "Jeev" meaning life and its essence is ego, I agree.

If it is "Guru", then how does guru have ego? Both are keywords for JU.

[joyd]

jupiters key word is-Expansion.Apply it .For saturn-it is Limitation. jeeva is the trait word for jupiter.

joyd.

[Suresh_Chauhan]

Yes, Jupiter is all about expansion, Saturn about limitation. and sometimes severe restriction.

Its amazing how both behave differently though having same composition - gas giants made of Helium and Hydrogen. Its said that Jupiter was in early competition with Sun to be at the center of solar system under the big bang theory. A kind of alternate sun. Then Saturn which started coalescing the stuff, debris, rocks, etc around it, competed with Jupiter (who tried to make Saturn its moon but failed) and thus a tug of war got created, perfectly balanced gravitationally to last 10-15 billion years the life of our sun.

So we have 2 heavy counter-weights at the opposite end of Sun, so stuff doesn't fly off into outer space! And they exert as much influence on the activities of our solar system. Is it by design or accident?

[joyd]

Sorry suresh you are going out of the track.I really dont need what you mentioned.sit and think deeply on given key word.Don't insert any kind of planet anatomy in our discussion.

joyd.

[Vivek Surya]

नमः शिवाय!
Thanks for the topic, I can learn!

Jupiter's key word is-Expansion.Apply it. For Saturn-it is Limitation. Jeeva is the trait word for Jupiter.

Even expansion is also its trait right!?

An ego shed planet is more obedient and submissive in its nature.

It's sensible! Yes, ego shed Grahaas will be submissive! But why a debilitated Graha's ego gets shed when it's termed as neecha. Let's say Jupiter is debilitated. By the above statement made by you it should be submissive! What's the use when Guru is submissive? to whom he should submit his wisdom? you may say 9th lord is Guru for us! Okay what if 9th lord is Guru & Guru gets debilitates for such natives! What's the point in submission? Guru is about wisdom right? So, you mean to say Guru will submit his wisdom!? So, if he submits his wisdom the person should be termed as the person is devoid of actual (Spiritual) path right?

A debilitated planets means,it already shed its ego[whether it is beneficial or malefic] and the quite opposite is,a exalted planet is with full of ego[beneficial or malefic]. An ego shed planet is more obedient and submissive in its nature. and an exalted planet is quite opposite to it. Now judge yourself whether a debilitated planet aspect is positive or negative/ powerful or weak.

Let's say Jupiter is exalted in a person's horoscope! Do you mean Jupiter will be full egoistic? does it implies Jupiter in Capricorn will shed its ego completely?!
If so, why the word neecha is given a word for debilitation? Neecha means bad right?

[tylorechandra]

From what I have observed over the years on various charts, the aspect of a natural benefic is always good irrespective of its status, avastha or retrogression (except that retro benefics do not provide much protection in case of medical problems). The quantum of effect varies from chart to chart. And in case of natural malefics, the aspect is always bad irrespective of its status, avastha or retrogression. A stronger natural malefic may be less harmful than a weak natural malefic (opposite to what is commonly believed) and there is no exception unlike for natural benefics in respect of medical problems.

As mentioned initially, these are only my observations and cann't quote any source for my statements.

TKC