Mercury doesn't influence Venus as much as it influences planets in virgo.astrocraze wrote:Pardon Elipsis and Tanmish.I am unable to understand the explanation. Venus is in 8th Scorpio,7th has retrograde mercury and 6th has jup,sat and sun.
In that case,7th is getting strong .what happens to 6th and 8th house?
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Thanks Elipsis and Tanmish
@Tanmish-that was a good analysis.SAV of 40 in 4th house has not been beneficial to me so far.Let's hope that after I turn 40, there is a turning point in the positive direction:)Yes,at 31,I was well settled.Didn't know that SAV score is related to age.
@Tanmish-that was a good analysis.SAV of 40 in 4th house has not been beneficial to me so far.Let's hope that after I turn 40, there is a turning point in the positive direction:)Yes,at 31,I was well settled.Didn't know that SAV score is related to age.
As for retrograde, I've seen many use it where it only aspects previous, or aspects from previous, or even people (Saptarishi) say the planet aspects reversed (ex: saturn retrograde would then aspect 11th and 4th from itself, as if it's 3rd and 10th aspect are reversed)., then of course many others say retrograde is aspecting nothing different than if it was direct, ... it's annoying for someone with many retrograde planets in the chart (like myself), being unable to fully trust how to read one's chart in regards to the retrograde planets.
One thing I can say with great confidence is retrograde isn't "Worse" , I mean I'm on the side of those who follow that it makes the planet stronger (for good or bad, depending on what the planet was in the first place in the chart).
And not those who just see retrograde and think = terrible / killed the bhava it's in, etc..
This is going by my experience with retrograde planets and their dasha periods.
Main thing I wonder though is - if retrograde are aspecting previous(or from previous even),can we count those aspects 12th from themselves in creating new yoga's in the chart , if they happen to do so? (ex: retro in 2nd from moon, now aspects moon - and there's some yogas that require moon aspected by planets...)
Also, I've noticed some people judge the sign the Retro planet is going in to... ex: saturn retro in scorpio some have said is great as it's going back towards it's exaltation point in libra. (especially if retro in low degree of scorpio, then jhora shows it has near perfect uccha bala)..
and retrograde jupiter for example in aquarius would be "negative" as going towards capricorn,etc..
But not all agree on this of course.
One astrologer I visited a while ago told me to take my saturn as exalted because it was retrograde in scorpio heading to libra. ....I wasn't sure if I believed it.
But if true, then would that mean any yoga's formed by such planet should be seen from previous sign? Ex: retrograde sat as 9th lord in 6 - now becomes a lakshmi yoga (exalted in 5) ,etc.
so many questions regarding retrogrades.
Sorry I've only added more confusion to the thread.
As for SAV scores, I have no seen them working at all with people I know.
for instance a friend with absolutely no career, no success, no money, no respect, no fame, no health, no good looks,etc.. (and is 34 years old and never had a job really),
yet his SAV scores of 9, 10, 11, 12 and 1st house are:
9 = 30
10 = 34
11 = 36
12 = 27
1 = 40 !
according to this if we were just checking SAV scores he should be doing pretty well...
and I have more examples of a similar kind. unemployed "no career" friends in their late 30's with over 30 points in 10th house,..
Then a friend with only 25 points in 10th and he's a doctor at age 30 only. Great career...
and my dad with 22 points in 11th and yet 30 points in 12, yet never been without money really, no "losses" , and gains enough to support the whole family / have no debt / paid of house mortage, etc..
Now you one may say because 1st house has 40 points, he needs to wait until age 40 to succeed... But then I'd point out a bunch of other charts where 1st house was 32, or 34, etc.. and the native is over that age and still unsuccessful.
AHarrison Ford - random celebrity example, who has low SAV score in 10th (I think it was 24 or 26...) yet has 4 planets there, so going by just following ashtakavarga, those should not have given much great effect to him..
anyway I'd like to know what the deal is with using Ashtakavarga this way (by seeing points and declaring results. house with low points = trouble / bad results) as like I said, I've just not seen it work too well.
For every celebrity example that does work, I can find another where it's not.
so it seems unreliable.
Also I wonder about what if 6/8 house has highest... (it's like that for me) + I've seen many celebrities with very high 6/8, yet obviously didn't destroy them.
I have a friend with 42 points in 6.... yet he's without enemies, never ill (really, besides common colds 1x per year maybe), no real struggle in life..
I'm similar regarding health and all that too - yet my 6th is 37 points.
If anything I'd think if a Trik house has higher points it is actually helping. ...though maybe if 12th is higher it means the person spends more... but then even that I go back to my father's chart example.
anyway Ashtakvarga I feel it's only true for transit results. (and possibly dasha..)
As for transits, it's worked wodners in my research (planet in sign with low points = less effect or pure negative effect if it's a bad planet/transit) < that type of stuff.
And many of the verses in texts regarding that have come true (stuff like if saturn transits a sign where sun contributed 0 bindu's = horrible time, near death or death , illness, disgrace, etc..) - has come true to charts of people I know.
But regular "judge a house based on how high the points are" seems all wrong to me.
Of course I'm just another opinion - much like how there's all those opinions on retrograde planets effects -
so it's up to others to test for themselves.
One thing I can say with great confidence is retrograde isn't "Worse" , I mean I'm on the side of those who follow that it makes the planet stronger (for good or bad, depending on what the planet was in the first place in the chart).
And not those who just see retrograde and think = terrible / killed the bhava it's in, etc..
This is going by my experience with retrograde planets and their dasha periods.
Main thing I wonder though is - if retrograde are aspecting previous(or from previous even),can we count those aspects 12th from themselves in creating new yoga's in the chart , if they happen to do so? (ex: retro in 2nd from moon, now aspects moon - and there's some yogas that require moon aspected by planets...)
Also, I've noticed some people judge the sign the Retro planet is going in to... ex: saturn retro in scorpio some have said is great as it's going back towards it's exaltation point in libra. (especially if retro in low degree of scorpio, then jhora shows it has near perfect uccha bala)..
and retrograde jupiter for example in aquarius would be "negative" as going towards capricorn,etc..
But not all agree on this of course.
One astrologer I visited a while ago told me to take my saturn as exalted because it was retrograde in scorpio heading to libra. ....I wasn't sure if I believed it.
But if true, then would that mean any yoga's formed by such planet should be seen from previous sign? Ex: retrograde sat as 9th lord in 6 - now becomes a lakshmi yoga (exalted in 5) ,etc.
so many questions regarding retrogrades.
Sorry I've only added more confusion to the thread.
As for SAV scores, I have no seen them working at all with people I know.
for instance a friend with absolutely no career, no success, no money, no respect, no fame, no health, no good looks,etc.. (and is 34 years old and never had a job really),
yet his SAV scores of 9, 10, 11, 12 and 1st house are:
9 = 30
10 = 34
11 = 36
12 = 27
1 = 40 !
according to this if we were just checking SAV scores he should be doing pretty well...
and I have more examples of a similar kind. unemployed "no career" friends in their late 30's with over 30 points in 10th house,..
Then a friend with only 25 points in 10th and he's a doctor at age 30 only. Great career...
and my dad with 22 points in 11th and yet 30 points in 12, yet never been without money really, no "losses" , and gains enough to support the whole family / have no debt / paid of house mortage, etc..
Now you one may say because 1st house has 40 points, he needs to wait until age 40 to succeed... But then I'd point out a bunch of other charts where 1st house was 32, or 34, etc.. and the native is over that age and still unsuccessful.
AHarrison Ford - random celebrity example, who has low SAV score in 10th (I think it was 24 or 26...) yet has 4 planets there, so going by just following ashtakavarga, those should not have given much great effect to him..
anyway I'd like to know what the deal is with using Ashtakavarga this way (by seeing points and declaring results. house with low points = trouble / bad results) as like I said, I've just not seen it work too well.
For every celebrity example that does work, I can find another where it's not.
so it seems unreliable.
Also I wonder about what if 6/8 house has highest... (it's like that for me) + I've seen many celebrities with very high 6/8, yet obviously didn't destroy them.
I have a friend with 42 points in 6.... yet he's without enemies, never ill (really, besides common colds 1x per year maybe), no real struggle in life..
I'm similar regarding health and all that too - yet my 6th is 37 points.
If anything I'd think if a Trik house has higher points it is actually helping. ...though maybe if 12th is higher it means the person spends more... but then even that I go back to my father's chart example.
anyway Ashtakvarga I feel it's only true for transit results. (and possibly dasha..)
As for transits, it's worked wodners in my research (planet in sign with low points = less effect or pure negative effect if it's a bad planet/transit) < that type of stuff.
And many of the verses in texts regarding that have come true (stuff like if saturn transits a sign where sun contributed 0 bindu's = horrible time, near death or death , illness, disgrace, etc..) - has come true to charts of people I know.
But regular "judge a house based on how high the points are" seems all wrong to me.
Of course I'm just another opinion - much like how there's all those opinions on retrograde planets effects -
so it's up to others to test for themselves.
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tanmish
Hi GNE -
You're taking SAV out of context - its not used standalone, but with other "corroborating evidence" to support the main hypothesis. Just as Navamsha (D9) is used to confirm good yogas/placements/friendships in the main chart, likewise SAV is another level of analysis.
JHORA will spit out 10-15 yogas for just about any chart. But in reality the person ended up with a mediocre life. What does it mean? Lots of promises, none kept. Chart only shows potential, with a certain window into how much "free will" he/she will be able to exert in their life - what is their wiggle room. This is done thru service, prayers, remedies, etc. assuming the past life positive karmic balance is not enough.
Remember, astrology is for a) Guidance b) Prevention c) Counseling and then d) Prediction... this is again according to K N Rao, not trying to take credit. Prediction part is only 25%, for some will be 100% accurate for others 10%
Tanu
You're taking SAV out of context - its not used standalone, but with other "corroborating evidence" to support the main hypothesis. Just as Navamsha (D9) is used to confirm good yogas/placements/friendships in the main chart, likewise SAV is another level of analysis.
JHORA will spit out 10-15 yogas for just about any chart. But in reality the person ended up with a mediocre life. What does it mean? Lots of promises, none kept. Chart only shows potential, with a certain window into how much "free will" he/she will be able to exert in their life - what is their wiggle room. This is done thru service, prayers, remedies, etc. assuming the past life positive karmic balance is not enough.
Remember, astrology is for a) Guidance b) Prevention c) Counseling and then d) Prediction... this is again according to K N Rao, not trying to take credit. Prediction part is only 25%, for some will be 100% accurate for others 10%
Tanu
Tanmish - sorry I was not clear.. I know it's not used stand alone, I was trying to make a point that when people use it stand alone it is incorrect (or rather to me it is incorrect). I've seen many do this (over the internet / different forums ,etc.) and so just had to vent about it here since ashtakavarga was mentioned, I did get too "passionate" with my rant, and I'm sorry about that.
