More Concepts on Dusthana

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Aquarius is Ketu's Moolatrikona sign in Nadi Astrology It is only in Aquarius that Ketu can test man's willpower to be able to give up everything to have union with God. Signs in Nadi Astrology represent process.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

By the way Nadi Astrology never consider Scorpio as an exaltation place of Ketu but rather it should be Sagittarius since the aim of Ketu is to get us closer to God. The areas covered under Scorpio are just a means for us to do so.

Grahas in Nadi Astrology represent outcomes.

[ChandraLagna]

How is Sun in 5th, aspecting 4th from itself in navamsa? sun's 4th new aspect? let alone in navamsa..
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if all planets suddenly have 4+8 aspects that work as well (pretty much...you said 75% , which is still darn strong) as their original aspects, we can explain away anything we want in any chart now...

This 4th aspect is described in classics. I can quote you
1. Brhat Jatak, Chapter 2, Verse 13
2. Phaladeepika, Chapter 2, verse 23

Not just 4th, there is a 3rd, and a 5th as well.

All planets cast a quarter glance at the 3rd and 10th houses, half a glance at the 5th and 9th houses, three-quarters of a glance at the 4th and 8th houses and full glance at the 7th house. However, the aspects of Saturn on the 3rd and 10th houses from him, of Jupiter on the 5th and 9th houses from him and of Mars on the 4th and 8th houses are also treated as full aspects.

This may be indirectly quoted by astrologers as checking for Kendras and Konas, but the essence is the same.

You are right that all of this can be used to explain away anything. True skill however lies in application of knowledge and skills in prediction not in post-diction. More importantly, prediction to help guide someone in darkness, i.e. provide real hope and remedies.

[GNE]

Ah, true... I just never thought it was actual aspects - more like you said just sort of checking kendra/kona (or 6/8),etc..
In my mind I never called them "Aspects" when I thought of them (but thats not me saying they aren't. I'm just saying why to myself/my own style, I ignored them when it came to seeing what planet aspects what).

Why does no one use these other aspects? (pretty much ...like KN Rao and others...even Sanjay rath's camp ,or Joni Patry, and so on.... )
I'm not saying that because they don't that it means they are incorrect and useless aspects.

I'm legitimately asking then how come no one (I've seen) uses them in the way that khoo was using them almost like full aspects only weaker 75% , 25% etc..
If used this way, then we could form new yogas like if sun's 4th aspects saturn, then saturn's 10th is on sun, so we can call it a mutual aspect. and if say, it's a leo rising chart then that's a 1-7 yoga now all of the sudden.
Many planets would likely be having new found mutual reception that they didn't previously.....plenty of charts would gain at least 1 new "raj" / "dhan" yoga combination that is previously missed, if we started to use all these aspects.

What I'm getting at is the use of these aspects the same was we use full aspects (but yes, saying just "The strength/effect is reduced a bit due to 75% power, 25% ,etc..)
then almost every planet aspects everywhere and everything can be explained. Give someone any chart and they can then explain anything they like , finding yogas and things anywhere...especially once using aspects in Varga's like this.

But in the end, nice to know about these "new" (old, but newly learned) aspects.
It's almost like combining both parashari and jaimini aspect into each planet. Not literally of course, but with the amount of aspect a planet makes I mean.

However in my opinion, Just I can't buy it, even though it's in the classics. I feel the word "aspect" here is throwing off the use of them...and they shouldn't be treated the same, albiet with lesser strength (75% , 25%,etc.)

but doesn't make me right of course.

And ChandraLagna, you corrected me, but didn't say anything of khoo's writings. I assume then there's nothing incorrect with those concepts in your opinion?
Good to know, aspects in navamsa work this way on planets in dushanta...and jupiter acts exalted in aquarius. Can form Hamsa yoga and so on. ?

[ChandraLagna]

I have provided my opinion on aspects and conjunctions in Navamsa in other threads - please do look those up. In short - it is not clear to me that they make mathematical sense.

Coming to modern stalwarts not using certain principles, its best to ask them why. And about 90% or 95% percent using Vargas as independent charts considering aspects, conjunction etc does not necessarily make that concept right.

[GNE]

Thanks, I will search through your other posts.

Yeah, I too said that just because there are many "learned" astrologers doing something (in this case ignoring other aspects) doesn't make it right (like the "D chart dance", reading everything like a rasi,etc.)
I was more just surprised because that sloka on the other aspects is there as clear as day in those classics you quoted. Whereas there's not really a solid "here's how to exactly read a varga chart" quote around (I don't think...)
So it was a shock to me that people like KN Rao / his students for example would not use the other aspects.
(I don't mean to say KN Rao and his students are everything. Just they're the first example in my head).

Anyway,
back to the thread....
I'd like to hear more opinions on the :

(quote from khoo above) "the exalted planet status and goodnes DOES NOT depend on the dispositor of the sign for which the planet is placed. ...... Parasara praises the exalted planet BUT make no mention of the fat that its goodness must depend on the dispositor of the sign in which the planet is placed. NOT MENTIONED.....ANYWHERE....... "

If true, well, that changes a lot of readings where people would say an exalted planet in a MPY is not giving the yoga because it's dispositor is weak/debilitated.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

I will handle the objections of of using the Navamsa as if like the Rasi Chart D-1 in a separate post. There are actually various kinds of objections ranging from not assigning Bhavas to Navamsas to not using aspects for Navamsas to using Navamsas as only for skills and happiness only since it is basically a weak chart from experience says some astrologers. It is amazing some astrologers keep hammering on the point of time and space, when they also accept the fact that planets so far away from us like Jupiter can exert a strong spiritual energy on us as is evidenced by Astrology being spiritual science and practised by the astrologers (gravitation force is another matter, that is great and is covered by being directly proportional to the product of the two masses divided by the square of the distance between them).

There is also an objection from another quarter that Parasara never mentione about bhavas for divisional charts.

But that is another topic.

Navamsa can corroborate the Rasi Chart (D-1) but like I said in an earlier post, only if it is very strong, very weak, some striking features......even when there is no striking features but if it supports the Rasi in the same direction, the prognostication of the Navamsa can be used to. Like my Rasi Chart has both the 5th and 9th lord aspecting my 4th bhava ruled by Venus and Venus goes to the 1st. This is not a strong indication to make a lot via fixed assets and also Venus is about to be eaten up by Rahu. But look at the Navamsa, Mars a Yogakaraka ruling the 9th and 4th, sitting in its own sign in the 4th in its own sign and cast full aspects to bother Mercury and Saturn sitting on the 11th. Mercury also rules both dhana houses.

Here Navamsa corrborates the Rasi Chart.

Now let's come to the topic on the recent sanction of gay marriages by the US Federal Court.

Most of the gay couples are male-male rather than female-female. So it is husband-husband. Jupiter is the karaka of husband. Jupiter covers law at the Federal Level rather than the state level (the latter is covered by Venus and is solely case law, Jupiter governs case law and constituional law – the latter includes statutes and law observed by the lower organs of the government).

Jupiter is light so a lot of gay relationships come to light.

In the Piscean Age, Venus is exalted. Venus is the main significator that gives success in D-10 according to Saptarishis Magazine recent unearthed classics (it s in one of my earlier posts). So Venus rules status pertaining to the gentrified society (the level below the nobles or in modern times below the ruling class) and the government (10th) and pertaining to the public and the civil society (Venus is the karaka of the 7th).

With the Aquarian Age, and the passing of the gay marriage act, Jupiter pertaining to the 10th which is the karaka for expansions and more options in one's choice for everyone becomes possible, and Jupiter pertaining to the 7th rules social standing for everyone.

Everyone? Well Jupiter rules life so everyone gets its fair share of goodness. Venus as the main karaka of the 7th still make sure that everyone has to live in harmony in order for the world (the 7th) to succeed.

Jupiter rules children too and gay couples with their sancity of their union approved by the US government, more would be going to the orphanage to adopt children.

Notice the significators for homosexuality is different from the significators of gay union which is Jupiter.

Jupiter also chases Venus in Nadi Astrology. The male does the chase and not the lady. In the case of the male-male couple, both chases. And it is usually Caucasians (Jupiter) who chase the non-black Asians (Venus). Jupiter is also quite amenable to Saturn (the Africans).

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Ketu is the msin significator of astrology.

Although Ketu (Ganesha) grets its knowledge from Sun (Shiva) but Ganesha (Ketu) is given the function of removing obstacles from the general layman and that you need the knowledge of astrology including astrological remedies. It is the role given to him so to speak.

Look at my Ketu in the Rasi chart. It conjuncts Saturn which also happens to be the 8th lord (although it is debatable since it loses its dusthana lordship by being placed in a non-Dusthana in its own sign according to Phaladeepika, still Saturn is the karaka of the 8th and 8th rules astrology or the occult, that is why Saturn grants us the knowledge of our forefathers including the ancient art of Astrology).

The ketu here is alright but look at the Navamsa.

Ketu is debilitated but it gets a Neecha Bhanaga Raja Yoga.

The exaltation sign of Ketu has Mars sitting there in its own sign and Mars is at a kendra to the Ascendant Navamsa. Ketu is also in an angle. Mars aspects Ketu. Ketu also apsects the sign where Mars sits which it rules ie. Scorpio. An all round Neecha Bhanga. The Raja Yoga is obtained by the fact that Ketu is also in an angle, square to the Ascendant, in the 10th.

Ketu rules the 4th and 5th. Mars rules the 4th and 9th. So the 4th house of the classics has the beneficience of Lakshmi Stantha of the 5th and 9th.

Rahu rules 7th and 11th. 11th is detailed knowledge of various areas and 7th rules new knowledge tailored to the workings of the current world (remember 7th house is the house of PhD). Rahu only adds to the goodness of the 4th.

5th house has Sun the ruler of the Navamsa Ascendant in it. Sun rules deep seated knowledge and is situated in the 5th house of knowledge (4th is traitional knowledge or education or classics).

Ketu in the 10th shows I am well known to be good in astrology.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Jupiter again in the 8th in Navamsa as in Rasi D-1 is trining Mars giving it a 9th aspect. Here the 5th lord is combining with the 9th lord which is very auspicious.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Actually if you consider from Parasara's point of view that Rahu is at its fall in Scorpio, it gets a Neecha Bhanga Raja Yoga from Mars too. But the reason here is different. Mars is the dispositor of the sign where Rahu here is situated in its fall.

This is not like in case of Ketu discussed earlier where the reason is that Mars is situated in Ketu's exaltation sign.

So both of my nodes get a Neecha Bhanga Raja Yoga.

Ketu is in digbala signifying my karma.

Rahu is not in its digbala but it does not matter because it is together with Mars in its own sign and that makes Rahu strong in a good way. In the 4th house, because it is well placed, it gives great insight into matters.

[anuradha]

Ketu is in digbala signifying my karma.

Sir, Please explain since I have never come across the digbala of Rahu and Ketu. regards

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Ketu is digbala in the 10th as is generally acceptable by most professional astrologers. In the 10th Ketu keeps track of your karma to prepare you for moksha - mabye not in this current lifetime.

Rahu is digbala in the 7th as Rahu signifies pleasures just like the 7th. In the 4th Rahu signifies a rebel but if well placed it gives a fresh pespective of established ulture and norms in luding the classics. It becomes a conoisseur rather than a rebel.

[anuradha]

Sir, No classical text accepts that. Yes'' Shanivat Rahu and Kunjavat Ketu'' is the dictum. If you are taking Ketu as Mars and Rahu as Saturn only then it justifies. But Rahu and Ketu acts as per the sign in the rashi chart. So digbala is always is of Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Sun, mercury and Moon only. regards

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Thanks.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Readers may want to know that Anuradha's placing importance on the sign which the nodes are situated is correct.

The Brazilian astrologer which I mentioned earlier in this thread placed importance on the following two factors regarding the nodes :

(1) The sign in which the node is placed.

And surprisingly,

(2) The nodes' characteristics eg. Ketu is constricting and Rahu is big ie. the karakas of the nodes. I would like to interpret it to also mean the signs the nodes rule because that is part of the characteristic of the nodes.

Only then the planet which conjuncts the nodes and aspects the nodes are considered ie. next in importance.

But to say Ketu is synonymous to Mars or Rahu is synonymous to Saturn, is too strong a statement since there are subtle differences within each pair. This is true notwistanding the synonymity statements are reflected in the classics.

Notice that the Brazilian astrologer did not say that the nodes placement in nakshatras are more important than the normal planets placement in nakshatras. He consider the importance for both groups' (the nodes and the normal planets) placements in nakshatras to be on even keel ie. about the same.

Also nakshatra rulerships are not given importance in his analysis, only PLACEMENT in nakshatras. He claims that Parasara did not use nakshatra rulership in his BPHS. In fact same with using bhavas in divisional charts. It is not documented in BPHS.

But the catch is for the latter, like using the Navamsa with bhavas, the practice has been passed down by word of mouth for many generations in India. And the results speak for themselves. Nakshatra rulership, however, about the only time it is used by professional astrologers is when one talks about the Yogi planet. Nakshatra PLACEMENTS, however, are important like Saturn in Shravana, Venus in Pushya etc. and then delineate the characteristics these placements engender. And the Tara system of counting nakshatras from the Janma nakshtra (nakshtatra of the Moon) is important too in assessing results.

[rathore]

Ketu is in digbala signifying my karma.

Sir, Please explain since I have never come across the digbala of Rahu and Ketu. regards

Anuradha ji,

KET gets dogbala (KET rules dogs) and the proof is - Tom and Jerry.

Please allow me to explain.

The deity of KET is related to Rat. And for RAH we know Cateye is used so RAH is related to Cat. Now we know how Tom and Jerry always run away from each other (like RAH-KET) changing a lot of "directions" while doing so. This is how they both get Digbala (directional strength).
I understand Jerry is not a rat technically but I am just going by the structure of logic used here. Hope it helps

By the way JUP gets Madhubala because it rules Honey.

[adity]

Rathore your sense of humour is exemplary

[Khoo Hock Leong]

The last point I want to state is why some astrologers use the Navamsa only for skills and happiness.

The 9th Bhava is an expansion of the 4th. So significations of happiness can be easily seen from the 9th divisional chart. Skills as you know is read from the Navamsa with the placement of the Atmakaraka taken as the Lagna. This is in the classics. But to read the Navamsa as a whole chart requires some of the conditions which I already alluded to.

Thus some astrologers fail to see Navamsa as a strong chart.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Other factors which influence using Navamsa as a whole chart has to do with timing issues and it would be covered as a separate post.

[Crystalpages]

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But to say Ketu is synonymous to Mars or Rahu is synonymous to Saturn, is too strong a statement since there are subtle differences within each pair. This is true notwistanding the synonymity statements are reflected in the classics.
...

This arises from the statements given in BPHS where the chara dasa is described and the conditions for the nodes assuming rulerships of kumbha and vrishchika are clearly outlined. Dr. Deepak Chopra's chart is a good example. I have written about that in an article few years ago.

All the best,

Rohiniranjan

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

Having said that all about Saturn, Jupiter and the sign Aquarius on karma and dharma, it can be gleaned that Aquarius is a mixture of karma and dharma (unlike Capricorn which is pure karma and hence Jupiter is at its fall there) and since Saturn is a natural ruler of Aquarius, Saturn also incorporates a mixture of dharma and karma.

Sun's dharma in Leo is dharma of the soul and gives rise to knowledge like political science and bureaucratic management of large organizations. Saturn's dharma in Aquarius is dharma of the masses and gives rise to knowledge that benefits the masses including the pure sciences that also has practical applications like electromagnetism.

In Navamsa, Saturn in Leo or Sun in Aquarius, can seriously cause a mismatch of dharma.

Jupiter is exalted in Aquarius and is stronger in dharma involving the masses beating even Saturn's hold on Aquarius but Jupiter is also strong in Leo and can tackle the dharma of the self also to a certain extent.

Rgds
Khoo