Sashtashtagam and Thwi Dwadasam

[CuriousBeginner]

Hi Everyone,

I would like to know about these doshas. Can we just turn down the horoscope during match making because of this doshas? Say, if the girl is rishaba and boy is dhanush rasi, their charts are matching but just because of this sashtashtaga, will you recommend to drop the proposal? I am just curious to know as sashtashtaga is cancelled when the lords are friendly to each other, but in this case both shukra and guru being benifics, we still consider the horos non matching? Many thanks!

[elipsis]

No, I personally wouldn't drop the chart simply because of the nakshatra mismatch. In a girl's chart the most important thing to check is Mars, we have to check if its afflicted or being hemmed between malefics...if Saturn is 2nd to mars then we'll have to examine the chart even further.

Regards

[CuriousBeginner]

Thanks elipsis.But most of astrologers say when chandra of girl and boy are 6/8 to each other, there wont be compatibility btw girl and the boy, even though the chart is matching. This is what confusing me as it is also been said that chart matching takes 70% while star matching takes only 30% in match making.

[elipsis]

What you say is Nakshatra Guna matching system which is primarily based on the position of moon in both the charts. In my opinion this method is highly unreliable and I wouldn't recommend it for anyone. I've see charts that have fortunate relations 5/9 or 7/7 break up after 3 months...so this nakshatra matching doesn't work all the time. Because times have changed, 6/8 is no longer considered a bad match for some people, the real analysis must begin on practical terms taking into account the current lifestyle. If the chart shows the husband will get into trouble after marriage then how can it be a good match even if their nakshatra matches 30%? If you want to apply practicality to match-making then you'll have to consider these 5 points.

1. Longevity of marriage - health, lifespan of both the charts
2. Progeny
3. Fortunes
4. Happiness
5. Pleasures

How did sheryl sandeberg lose her husband, if she had consulted a competent astrologer then she would have known long before what will happen and how she could have avoided it. But there are many people in the world who do not believe in match making...so its ok when they talk about true love...while its very important it must be practical for people to experience it otherwise it'll only end up in tragedy.

Regards

[tanmish]

[quote="elipsis"]if Saturn is 2nd to mars then we'll have to examine the chart even further.[/quote]

I don;t mean to barge in on this thread but have a question for Ellipsis-jee: Which position of Saturn are you referring to here? If Saturn is in the next (succeeding) house to Mars, does it apply? If it is in preceding house? In both cases it will form "Dwi Dwadasha" (2/12) relationship with Mars, correct?

The specific chart I have in mind is my friend from college days. She's still single, I married couple years ago. She is a Mars (#8, Scorpio ASC) person, Mars is both LL and 6L and is sitting in 5L, joined by 9L Moon. It does form a Chandra Mangala yoga , combination of LL and 9L in 5th, but I'm not sure how it is for her married life. More importantly, 2nd and 5th Lord Jupiter sits in 6th house along with debilitated Saturn ruling 3rd and 4th.

Any insights into her scope are most welcome. Thanks in advance!

TM

[elipsis]

I don;t mean to barge in on this thread but have a question for Ellipsis-jee: Which position of Saturn are you referring to here? If Saturn is in the next (succeeding) house to Mars, does it apply? If it is in preceding house? In both cases it will form "Dwi Dwadasha" (2/12) relationship with Mars, correct?

Yes saturn succeeding mars but there are a lot of other factors to consider besides that...like mars and Jupiter having a 3/11 (sextile) shows improvements after a minor scuffle.

The specific chart I have in mind is my friend from college days. She's still single, I married couple years ago. She is a Mars (#8, Scorpio ASC) person, Mars is both LL and 6L and is sitting in 5L, joined by 9L Moon. It does form a Chandra Mangala yoga , combination of LL and 9L in 5th, but I'm not sure how it is for her married life. More importantly, 2nd and 5th Lord Jupiter sits in 6th house along with debilitated Saturn ruling 3rd and 4th.

Any insights into her scope are most welcome. Thanks in advance!

TM

Usually delay in marriage will be related to venus-mars having 2/12 relationships or any one of the planets will be obstructed by ketu. The key is to find out whats causing the delay, you have to check whether its the career or failures in relationships or very high standards that nobody could satisfy. For ex: if ketu is between mars and venus and mars conjuncts saturn then that means Career/low income blocks the person from getting married but the trend will eventually subside and the person would get married.

Regards

[CuriousBeginner]

Thanks Elipsis Ji. wonderful explanations and I am sure lot of people will benefit from reading your postings. One more question from me, you have mentioned venus/mars-2/12 might cause delay in marriage. Could you please explain us when you find time? Thanks

[elipsis]

As per nadi literature planets in 2/12 relation will have a 12 year cycle provided there is no interruption from other planets. 12th house shows the end where as 2nd shows the beginning and 11th shows the time period before the end. Two planets moving in the same direction with a fixed time cycle is highly unlikely to meet therefore the nadi system divides the cycles into four blocks

1. 1-12 years - Pusitam - This cycle is ruled by Jupiter, when people get married around this age (which is unlikely) it shows either the family is in deep financial trouble or they come from an orthodox background
2. 12-24 years - Prajatam- Ruled by Mercury, this cycle shows involes education and academic progress, when people get married around this cycle then it means there is no obstruction of Mercury in their chart
3. 24-36 years - Karmam - Ruled by Saturn, this shows career and business or different sources of income, when people get married that means their career hasn't been obstructed either by saturn or ketu
4. 36- 48 years - Artham - Ruled by Venus, people who marry in this time cycle will either have too much or too little income, so they become selective and hesitant.

Billergent planets that cause obstruction- Rahu (vilambam), Ketu(vijnam), Gulika (visam) and Moon (chanchalam).

Let us taken an example:

Queen Elizabeth II of England has Venus and Mars with 2/12 relations and yet she got married at 20. That's because there is a exchange of Mars and Saturn in her chart which enabled her to marry in the 2nd cycle. Mars exchanges places with Saturn and forms a trine to Mercury, this shows as soon as she completed her education she got married.

Bill Gates has Mars in 12th to Venus and he got married in the 4th cycle. This means his Saturn was blocking the marriage all the time as it is hemmed between the malefics so naturally he wasn't satisfied with his career. Even in the 2nd cycle his mercury obstructed his education which delayed the marriage in the early age.

Rajnikanth has Venus in Sagittarius and exalted mars in Capricorn. He got married at the age of 30, at this point he was already quite successful.

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