More Concepts on Dusthana

[hiimnotcool]

Guys, be nice. He has a Cancer lagna so he's sensitive.

[GNE]

Good point hiimnotcool. ha, but I might be cancer lagna too.
I guess it's because taking my 5th house as ascendant instead, which is a famous technique written in a lesser known classic called the Brihat Khoora shastra...then I have lagna lord in Moolatrikon sign in the 6th with 10th lord, helps with comfort in conflicts.

[tanmish]

GNE -

You're really funny I've noticed too that he keeps discussing his chart with himself.

Not sure there's an astrological term for this type of conceit (borderline narcissism if you ask me!).

Not that I'm an expert in deviant personalities but just sayin.....

TM

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Most of the concepts I discuss in this thread has to do with two -ves combining to become a +ve.

Take my Navamsa :

Moon mutual aspect with Jupiter shows two Dusthana rulers cancelling each other out, leaving Jupitr lordship of the 5th much better off.

Still the -ve of Jupiter and -ve of the Moon are each not in equal proportion. This means there is still some -ve left over. My bet is on Jupiter side even though it is a trine ruler because Jupiter is situated in the Dusthana as well besides holding a Dusthana lordship. The fact that he is in his own sign in the Dusthana may not cause 100% VPRY unlike say if he gone into another Dusthana where he does not hold the lordship.

So with a little -ve remaining, Jupiter then cast an 8th aspect to Venus who happen to sit on the 3rd in its own sign with mabye a little -ve beccause 3rd is a minor Dusthana. This then completely eradicates the -ve on Venus side, although Jupiter would still be left over with some -ve. Its trine lordship of the 5th would then take over and help save the day for whatever -ve that is left.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Regarding Jupiter exaltation in Aquarius.............

I have not read GNE post as I have blocked him. But when you are not log on and browse, I happen to pass over his post of this thread in order to go to the bottom and saw his first line of his post read as ........"Jupiter is not exalted in Aquarius...'

Aside from the fact that Anuradha has replied on this matter and quoted the classic where she got the source (and she has studied Vedic Astrology for umpteenth years), most Vedic astrologers succumb to the dictum that Jupiter being exalted in Aquarius is true.....only a handful does not and those that do not usually are not aware of it being quoted in the classic and hence they never really pay attention to the chart if it has Jupiter in Aquarius.

Anyway the thing is I read from somewhere, Aquarius is a humanitarian sign.....when only natural benefics prevail on the sign, the sign changes 180 degrees about turn.....which means Jupiter in Aquarius, unless heavily afflicted with natural malefics, would be very good to be termed exalted.......Saturn excepted because Aquarius is Saturn's moolatrikona sign and Saturn's aspect on any planet in Aquarius, would only make the humanitarian instincts stronger. In my case only Saturn and Venus aspects Jupiter, Venus by the 8th aspect (75%)

Anyway, classics tend to have taken all factors into account before making such a pronouncement, so I guess it is still true that Jupiter is exalted in Aquarius. Remember Jupiter itself can be tainted just like the sign Aquarius.

The last question one should ask is : Does humanitarianism equals to piousness? Yes it does if you dig into the deeper meanings of each word.

Rgds
Khoo

[GNE]

first: Khoo if you're browsing and see this, you don't have to read it. I know you blocked me.
Carry on with what makes you happy / ignore what I write. I write it for others who can see my stuff.

If only we can see the classic that says Jupiter is exalted in Aquarius. I don't mean I don't believe it's in there, but just would be nice to read exactly how it is mentioned in that text.
I was talking to another member in PM about it, and we both believe that it likely means Jupiter is acting as good/positive as though in cancer when it's in aquarius. But not literally meaning to take it as exalted wherein all yogas that ask for an exalted planet now work for jupiter in aquarius ( Hamsa yoga for example. ...or saraswati,etc. * and yes they say own/or moolatrikon sign too, but I'm talking just the exalted part of course).

But I stand by what I said (jokingly) earlier that if jupiter is exalted in aquarius because a text (and who knows how "classic" this classic really is) Says it, because the traits of the sign does well with a natural benefic like jupiter.... then why can't a modern day scholer suddenly come up with new concepts like such and such planet is exalted in Gemini now.. etc.. because the traits fit well with this age of media/technology, etc..

Anyway,

tanmish: thanks , yeah it became annoying, especially when it happens in literally every thread. I'd say it must have something to do with that Rahu in his ascendant meanwhile ascendant lord in 7th with ketu ...perhaps mars also aspecting ascendant (In khoo's chart) helps boost these traits. I know 2 people with rahu in ascendant, one also has mars aspect, and the other also has langa lord in 7th with ketu... both can only talk about themselves.
Even if they ask me about some other chart, the first word I say will lead them back to a "oh that reminds me about my own chart, where I have, blah blah blah conjunct, etc..."

Note to all: Rahu in ascendant , or lagna lord in 7 + mars aspect on ascendant does not always cause this of course. We must see the whole chart, sign/degree/nakshatra/navamsa... But I'm just saying, since Khoo loves his chart talked about, that at a glance I'd assume these placements are at least a big reason of the cause of the ego / narcissim I (and tanmish at least has admitted) found in many of the posts.

What got me is the way he basically says "look at how great I am" or "I'm smarter than you because of some yoga in my D9000 chart". ...Or making a thread strictly about "look at how many good yogas are in my chart".
How do people on this forum learn from that? whats the point?

Would he like if someone else did that about their chart and replied like: "oh yeah, well, I have double the positive yogas..." which I'm sure there are people on this forum with great looking charts.
Hiimnotcool's chart for instance had some fantastic placements if I remember correctly....I think I'll go make a thread "everyone take a moment to see why hiimnotcool is infact very cool."

(I use him as an example as I haven't seen charts of anyone else in this thread)

[kappy]

This thread is so funny...

However my understanding is what ever is placed in Aquarius is deemed to be "delayed" by the gods as the co rulers of Aquarius are Saturn and Rahu, both similar in nature and delay tendencies. The only variation to this is if one of these co-rulers is also sitting in Aquarius - then the results are spectacular during either planets dasa provided the planet is in good dignity in the Rasi and D9 and willing to give fortune.

[hiimnotcool]

Haha GNE probably not my chart as I have debilitated Lagna and 9th lords but thanks for the shout out! Funny as always.

Oh BUT I have rahu in aries ascendant though so the classics say all the evils are canceled...nvm u were right MY chart is fantastic! Everyone take a look and see!

Lol just kidding.

[SoulLight]

Well, Rahu in Taurus Asc. - not true for me! Evils have cropped up!

[GNE]

ha! yes, hiimnotcool, I forgot about that rahu in aries ascendant...
and Matthew Mcconaughey has debilitated lagna lord, 9th lord, 10th lord, 4th lord...and he's doing alright, alright , alright.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Kappy :

It is true that the benefits of Aquarius are hidden and hard to be exteriolize unless Saturn or Rahu contcts it (not just placed in it) but that is a separate matter from the fact that Jupiter is exalted in Aquarius. Jupiter on its own is also capable to exteriolize the benefits of Aquarius since Jupiter rules the expansive sign Sagittarius.

Anyway, in my case both Saturn and Rahu aspects Jupiter, Saturn because of its retrgoade motion so it is aspecting as if from the 6th but actually from the 7th and Rahu from the 1st via the 8th aspect. They are both on the 1st-7th axis, 1st for natural self-expression and the 7th for natural interaction to a single individual or even a party ie. a group where you are intereacting closely (7th is the 9th of the 11th of groups).

The 8th bhava also has the additonal characteristic of being hidden too so here my Jupiter has to work harder to exteriolize things but Saturn and Rahu is giving their support.

Rgds
Khoo

[kappy]

Kappy :

It is true that the benefits of Aquarius are hidden and hard to be exteriolize unless Saturn or Rahu contcts it (not just placed in it)

No this is wrong and not what I stated in my post. Let me be clear...Aquarius delays, period, end of story.

1. The only light at the end of that tunnel is IF a planet placed in Aquarius is also WITH one of the co-rulers (being Saturn or Rahu) and those dispositors are in good dignity overall (ie: willing to give good results). Generally speaking, between these two Graha you see more favorable results with Rahu-Guru than you will via Sani-Guru, especially wrt the relationship those dispositors have with the lagna lord itself. For example BPHS states clearly that for Aries, the "mere yuti of Shani and Guru will not produce auspicious results", why? b/c Shani is bhadak and has natural animus with Mangal so if guru and Shani are joined in Aquarius of Aries rising then it is unlikely to alleviate the delays mentioned earlier.

2. You seem to mix the idea of conjunct and aspect, they are not the same and are very separate. Shani's aspect is generally accepted as being very deadly and there is no dictum which states otherwise unless Shani is a benefic to a chart and even then any "benefit" always comes after a period of struggle. So to conclude Saturn is giving its "support" is a bit of a stretch. Saturn is not supporting anything, it is doing its karmic duty which is delay, force struggle and teach the value of hardship. Now you might WANT TO interpret that as support from a philosophical perspective (ie:the soul matures) and some astrologers take it one step further (like VK Choudhry) and view planets that are traditionally seen as malefics for Aries (like Saturn and Venus) as being benefics, now that wouldn't be my first view but each to their own I guess.

Regards
Kappy

[Khoo Hock Leong]

What you have said is all true but does not apply to Jupiter in Aquarius.

Basically look to the fable between the dwarf (Jupiter) and Bali (Saturn). It was the karma for the people at that time to be ruled by Bali represented by Aquarius the Moolatrikona sign of Saturn.

Jiupiter is so strong that he overturned Bali's decision that even Saturn's agenda has to be squashed and I am quite sure I am right.

Thanks.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Several additional allusions in the fable point to the fact that it is talking about Jupiter in Aquarius.

The dwarf started small but grew so big. This shows physical size and might including worldly authority of Bali (Saturn) is no match for Jupiter's spiritual strength here.

Bali was very religious although in an unorthodox way. This shows the religiosity of Aquarius. But ultimately Bali and Vishnu became firm friends. 11th being the 3rd to the 9th shows whatever Bali's initial inclinations including Shukra being his guru shown by 11th as Venus direction, Saturn bowed down to Vishnu and accept him as the almighty, Jupiter being the natural ruler of the 9th.

Jupiter in Aquarius people tend to start off with nothing like the dwarf, but ultimately the person gets both spiritual and material riches.

Saturn being relegated as the ruler of the underground, shows his job of deciding the karma of the deceased or even this current life, is given by Jupiter the planet of dharma.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

I also realize now that the exalted planet status and goodnes DOES NOT depend on the dispositor of the sign for which the planet is placed. This is unlike one of the ways of neecha bhanga where it mentions about the dispositor of the sign in which the debilitated planet is placed.

Parasara praises the exalted planet BUT make no mention of the fat that its goodness must depend on the dispositor of the sign in which the planet is placed. NOT MENTIONED.....ANYWHERE.......

[Khoo Hock Leong]

What about Jupiter in Cancer? Why no fable?

Basically Moon, the ruler of Cancer, governs the infancy stage, the start of life. Jupiter is the supervisor of this momentous occassion when we start to have life as he is the giver of life.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Also Jupiter as karaka of the 11th house has more say in its matters than Venus who happens to be in charge of the direction in which the 11th house is situated. I did mention about this when I posted the topic on planetary direction. .

[Khoo Hock Leong]

The other thing I want mention is that why for a Libra Ascendant why some placements are better than for others using the conept discussed in this thread.

Take K N Rao and River Phoenix. Both have Libra Ascendants but K N Rao has Jupiter in Cancer in the 10th in exalted but River Phoenix with Jupiter in Libra in the Ascendant succumbed to the death throes.

Both had initial suffering as Jupiter rule 2 dusthanas for a Libra Ascendant. The reason why K N Rao came out tops is that his Jupiter is exalted and recalling the precept that 2-ves give a +ve, the exaltation state of K N Ray's Jupiter enable him to get rid of the two -ves more forcefully thus overcoming his obstacles. This is just like a planet getting a VPRY tends to defeat his obstacles more effectively when the planet is placed in an exalted sign which we discussed in the beginning of this thread.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Also note :

When we talk -ves combining with -ves in dusthana we are talking about multiplication.

When we talk about +ves of the trine combining with -ves of the dusthanas we are talking about offsetting additions.ie. summing positives with negatives. That is why Shilpa says it is expensive to have trine rulers go to the dusthana. And if I may add it will be cheaper if the same said planet is also ruling another dusthana at the same time so that some -ves can be destroyed by multiplication.

So for example, my 9th house ruler Jupiter in the Rasi Chart D-1 and my 5th house ruler Jupiter in the Navamsa would no need to use so much of the +s from the trines to offset the -ves, for example.

[kappy]

Gawd Khoo, I think China want their wall back...jokes!!

But I have noticed one very important observation after looking at many charts - its all about how you WANT to interpret the chart - many ppl have a good chart but may achieve little - and many have a horrible chart but persist and achieve success thought impossible per the chart - its the age old question isn't it? is it happiness that causes progress or is it pain? is it better to have malefics in kendras or benefics? who is the better teacher?

I mean there is no better example than taking a look at ppls perception of Saneeswaran and the number 8.

People in India run the other way when they see number 8 - they avoid it as a house number - they avoid signing important documents on 8,17 or 26 and perform remedies on those corresponding nakshatra signs. But just over the border ppl China, HK and Singapore LUV the number 8 - realestate with 8 fetches a premium - they prefer to sign agreements on the 8th and firmly believe number 8 as a symbol of prosperity - who is right? who knows? well maybe some do

Kappy

[tandav]

Lol Kappy its funny you mention that. Some follow numerology by putting a number 8 inside their wallets. Supposedly to bring wealth. Despite hindu superstitions against it, I've tried it too but I didn't notice much difference

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Another thing I want to add is this :

Planets aspecting from the 11th also helps to erase the dusthana effects if the aspect falls on a planet placed in a dusthana, on a planet that rules a dusthana even though that planet may be placed in a good house or even on a planet undergoing a VPRY (rememebr VPRY is never 100% if you have followed the thread closely).

So Jupiter in the 11th casting an aspect on the 3rd, Saturn in the 11th casting an aspect on the 8th or Mars in the 11th casting an aspect on the 6th or even any planet in the 11th casting an 8th aspect on the 6th (75% in strength) or 4th aspect on ther 2nd (75% in strength) if the 2nd happens to have a dusthana ruler placed iwthin it, would all serve to erase the dusthana effects.

The erasure is akin to erasure by a 5th or 9th trine ruler mentioned earlier in the thread.....the pluses knocking off the minuses via the addition effect (and not multiplication like in the case of VPRY).

See my Navamsa chart.

Saturn cast a 10th aspect on Jupiter in the 8th and Saturn also cast a 4th aspect on the Moon a 12th ruler placed in the 2nd. So further erasure of dusthana effects.

Incidentally a dusthana ruler placed in a trine house of the 5th or 9th can erase dusthana effects.....but if it happens to be a natural malefic, there is the side effect of spoiling the trines by a natural malefics.....this other dictum must always be broned in mind.

So now...........it looks like the Navamsa can be very important, even more important than the Rasi Chart D-1 in the sense that my Navamsa effects seems to be coming to the forefront in my life now. Earlier, I had a post discussing when to give Navamsa more weightage like when it is very good or it is very bad or when there is a neecha bhanga in Navamsa etc. (I believe I mention this.....but even if I did not, classics do emphasise this last point).

My next post on Navamsa would show you that Navamsa is very important when it comes to karakas. This is because each planet acting as a karaka is showing its inherent qualities without regards to the signs. And we know all planets are the reincarnations of Vishnu. The signs can be taken like Vishnu's playground but the planet is a manifestation of him. Thus karakas should therefore be more powerful in the Navamsa as 9th is the house of God.

The same post would also tell you why Navamsa seems to be operating earlier for some people than others. I have found out the answer.

Stay tune.

Rgds
Khoo

[Khoo Hock Leong]

By the same vein then, based on what was said earlier about the trines 5th and 9th, my Sun the Navamsa Ascendant Ruler, in the 5th making a 4th aspect to my Jupiter in the 8th, also contributes to negating the Dusthana effects (of the offsetting by addition kind).

[GNE]

How is Sun in 5th, aspecting 4th from itself in navamsa? sun's 4th new aspect? let alone in navamsa..
http://alltheragefaces.com/img/usercrea ... c30208.png

if all planets suddenly have 4+8 aspects that work as well (pretty much...you said 75% , which is still darn strong) as their original aspects, we can explain away anything we want in any chart now...

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Jupiter exalted in Aquarius actually gives great hope for mankind.

My earlier post I mentioned that when we talk about the ages we are in, we do not care whether it is sidereal or tropical sign. So now that we are progressing towards the Age of Aquarius, we can take it as synonymous with the sidereal or tropical sign of Aquarius.

Now in another post, I mentioned that whether Tropical or Sidereal signs, planets are ruling and exalted in the same sign. Because sidereal governs something inner and more hidden or typing up some loose ends or something ongoing whereas tropical signs signifies our outer personality and for world events, it governs a major shift in the world view and the start of something very major.

Since the Age we are in are synonymous with the signs, it goes without saying that Jupiter is exalted in the Aquarius Age and Venus is exalted in the Piscean Age is about to slip away for us (but not that soon actually).

Pisces Age shows we need to adore God and pay homage to him. Belive in him and he will give us everylasting life. Pisces rules moksha in Vedic culture and everlasting life in Christianity.

Aquarian Age where Jupiter is exalted shows that we can incoporate both technology and God into our lives. The trick is not to let technology rule over us, but let technology do the work for us. And never lose sight that God loves us and can help us in time of need.

Remember Venus lets us spend, spend, spend on our way to Moksha in the 12th house. Ketu does it in the 11th house which correspond to the sign of Aquarius. I documented this in one of the earlier posts. But Ketu also signifies to give everything up once God call upon us. Jupiter and Ketu works hand in hand in Aquarius.

In Nadi Astrology, Ketu rules Aquarius and Pisces and exalted in Sagittarius. Ketu is exalted in the throne of God in its purest form ie. the Moolatrikona sign of Jupiter. Jupiter is exalted when he can save the masses through the dharma he offers which is Aquarius.

So when the scriputes talk about man letting pride gets in his way and man falls and deviates from his close relationship with God, they are referring to the Capricorn Age.

Jupiter is at its fall in Capricorn. And by the precession of the equinoxes, after the Aquarian Age is the Capricorn Age. So we still have time to save ourselves through our acknowledgement of God NOW!!!!

Praise the Lord......Om Namah Shivayah.......Praise the Lord......Om Namah Shivayah

Rgds
Khoo