Lagna/10th House Lord Jupiter in 8th House

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Dear Sonu,
Thank you for such an in-depth analysis. I just want to add some more things. You had beautifully analysed my 2rd and 3th house. Let me supplement this with a few facts. Indeed Venus in my second has really helped me in communication and I can speak well. I have a deep voice (due to Sun in my 3rd house) and I have been training as a Dhrupad vocalist for the past 6/7 yrs. I have started performing now.
Could you be a bit more elaborate in your analysis of my D10 chart. I understand that business will ultimately be the way to go seeing such a concentration of planets in my D1 and D10 charts. This indication is further augmented by the fact that my 10th house lord is in the 8th which often signifies not a steady income as comes from service but disrupted and uneven income as comes from business. But I dont think I have business within me....this is just what I have felt from day 1. However whatever the Divine wills for me is definitely the best.
You have spoken about bright achievements in higher education in foreign land.....how will that be related to my future occupation. that is how will my education determine my course of income (if at all). Do have a look at my D2 chart also in this regard.

Waiting to hear from you
Auro
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Hi Auro,

You will not have an unstable career inspite of 10th lord in 8th in D-1. There are few reasons for this.

1. In D-1 the 10th lord is a benefic of highest nature i.e. a Jupiter. It itself sheds the maleficence with regards to instability. It is not the nature of jupiter to bring instability by default.

2. Venus from Second house aspects Jupiter in 8th. Also 8th house is its own house. So it is happy providing protective influence on the 8th house matters. Venus is again an outright benefic. So no issues here.

3. D-1 10th lord jupiter is very well placed in d-10 in lagna. Excellent position. Instability at this point is completely ruled out.

4. Your D-10 10th lord is placed in a kendra in 7th. No chance of instability.


Regarding money. I think you are ok. Not to worry. D-2 shows 2nd lord Saturn in 10th the best house it could be. You will earn well through your profession and career achievements. D-2 10th lord in 11th house of gains meaning also 2nd from itself. So the wealth of Mahalaxmi and Shri Vishnu , you are blessed with both.

In your D-10 9th and 10th lord are combined in 7th house. You will excel very well in business. It is quite possible that you may start your own training institute apart from being a consultant/lecturar at various places on a part time basis.

In summary job or business, you have nothing to worry :) .

Regarding education your jupiter and saturn both are aspecting 9th house in your D-24. Again both are in parivartan yoga also, so your 9th house intents become stronger. The field is as per i described in posts before. The addition is that the it will be a philosophical research in foreign land by merit of exalted mercury in 12th in D-24. Since saturn is also aspecting your 9th lord by 10th aspect in D-24. The more likelihood of your philosophical research will be in the areas of history and politics and lesser in terms of literature. There will be a touch of interactive management skills in your research in foreign with the signification of mercury as 9th lord.

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Dear Sonu,
How did you come to know that my work will be focussing on history and politics. You are so accurate on this regard. Though I am a student of literature in the PhD I am going to an interdisciplinary research which apart from everything will involve a heavy dose of history and politics of the Indian subcontinent. In fact my thesis is to involve an exploration of the idea of cosmopolitanism in the context of post independent India.

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Auro
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hello astrosonu ji and Auro ji,

We have to consider the effect of Saturn in conjunction with Mars (9L) and Moon (5L). Further, he aspects the 9H from lagna. Saturn, the 12L from lagna, when associated with 9L and together with the special aspect of this nature, will definitely pluck and puts break on higher education at some point and this can not be ignored. The planet is saturn which is not favorable for this chart. Even in D9 he is terribly unfavorable.

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Dear Auro,

Are you sure your time of birth is absolutely correct? With the second phase of Sade-Sati and with SA transiting over natal SA and MA, the present period should be far from being simply bad on relationship front.

rgds

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Nitin21

Pinkji,

Auro is under permanent Sadesati with Sat and moon together in 7th. I agree Saturn is a malefic in his chart but the indications i have mentioned with regards to saturn are outer indications which the planet signifies only in terms of education and not other matters.

Regarding its malefic effects, for the permanent sade sati natives small obstacles are routine. They just come and go and the native does not even realise that there were problems. In Auro's case, there will be obstacles but will not deny him success owing to Jupiterian aspects on 12th house too along with 4th house. Moreover malefics in Kendras shed their maleficence to a certain extent, hence these effects for Auro are not of much importance in educational matters. His father related problems will give him problems though but he is inquiring about career and education only here so i have not opened other areas as of now.

Mars is also a trinal lord for Auro and it will not harm the native as much as is hyped by Mars. Mars is also a yogakaraka in his D-9 chart. Wont be much of a problem. Infact 9th lord aspecting 10th house is good for him career matters.

His educational problems are more so related to Rahu. But jupiter aspect saves him and does not deny him success. Rahu also gives him problems related to his mother but not again a query of the native so the area remains untouched. He is currently running Rahu mahadasha till 2017 which will give him mercurial effects in this dasha but will also harm his education and mother related matters. But again, Jupiter is saviour here.

In d-24 saturn is a yogakaraka and hence in full power to give its effects. Saturn is infact an extremely positive factor for Auro with regards to education. He will cross all boundaries of success due to Saturn. To add to it, it forms parivartan with Benefic jupiter in D-24.

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[quote="pink1"]hello astrosonu ji and Auro ji,

We have to consider the effect of Saturn in conjunction with Mars (9L) and Moon (5L). Further, he aspects the 9H from lagna. Saturn, the 12L from lagna, when associated with 9L and together with the special aspect of this nature, will definitely pluck and puts break on higher education at some point and this can not be ignored. The planet is saturn which is not favorable for this chart. Even in D9 he is terribly unfavorable.

regards
pink1[/quote]
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Forgot to clear the D-9 Saturn part. Saturn is in VRY in D-9.

[quote="pink1"]hello astrosonu ji and Auro ji,

We have to consider the effect of Saturn in conjunction with Mars (9L) and Moon (5L). Further, he aspects the 9H from lagna. Saturn, the 12L from lagna, when associated with 9L and together with the special aspect of this nature, will definitely pluck and puts break on higher education at some point and this can not be ignored. The planet is saturn which is not favorable for this chart. Even in D9 he is terribly unfavorable.

regards
pink1[/quote]
Nitin21

Hi Auro,

Amongst multiple planet factors with regards to a query for a bhava, it is first essential to decide which planet finally will have a say in that matter. In your case it is Saturn as per D-24. And Saturn forms parivartan with Jupiter. The outer indications of Saturn with regards to education are Technology, history and politics amongst many. If your mercury was not in the 12th from itself OR atleast in a kendra with some power, your education would have been in technology with algorithms solving problems and mathematical equations. These would have been combined effects of Saturn and mercury. If you see in Rajaths Chart Moon in 4th is the differentiator between you two in D-1 chart. Moon also signifies engineering.

Now that mercurial and moon part from 4th is ruled out. You are left with Jupiter and Saturn with its influence on 4th house matters. Saturn being the stronger in D-24(yogakaraka) has the final say. Since it is not related to technology (other factors not supported) you will go on to study other fields signified by Saturn i.e. history, politics etc.. Mercurial exaltation and being in 12thouse related to philosophy and research confirms this matter.

Hope this helps.

Regards
Sonu

[quote="Auro"]Dear Sonu,
How did you come to know that my work will be focussing on history and politics. You are so accurate on this regard. Though I am a student of literature in the PhD I am going to an interdisciplinary research which apart from everything will involve a heavy dose of history and politics of the Indian subcontinent. In fact my thesis is to involve an exploration of the idea of cosmopolitanism in the context of post independent India.

Regards
Auro[/quote]
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Dear Sonu, Pink1, Anand and Rajath
Thank you for your interest in my chart. Since the discussion has been both fruitful and engaging and has expanded far beyond the limits I had set while beginning the thread I dont think it must be a problem now venturing beyond the career questions that I had originally asked. My own analysis as well as the analysis of you all has repeatedly taken us to the 7th house in my D1 chart and the aspects of the planets therein to the 4th and the 10th house. I think it will be fruitful if we can also look at the non-career aspects signified by these houses.... like spouse, mother and father. I would appreciate your comments and will try and compliment them with feedbacks and my own analysis.
I also invite Rajath to provide his feedbacks as ours seem to be an interesting case study of almost similar D1 charts but different life paths.

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Dear Sonu,
I would like some more information on the VRY that you mentioned in regarding the placement of Saturn in my D9.

Dear all,
In our discussion on the lagna/10th lord in the 8th would someone like to comment on grants, scholarships and fellowships that can be attained due to this positioning. Since the 7th signifies spouse or more generally the 'other' and 8th is second from 7th does it indicate such monetary gains/gifts/grants etc. Personally I have been for the past two years on a research scholarship and have recently been selected for the interview of the Commonwealth scholarship one of the most prestigious scholarship schemes in India. My results are still pending however.

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Auro
Nitin21

Hi Rajath,

You will shine like a gem after marriage. Everything will take a positive turn in life. Your 7th house in navamsa is aspected positively by yogakaraka Saturn in 10th. Further Jupiter also aspects your 7th house thereby providing beneficial influence on 7th hhouse.

I understand you are worried about two things:

1. Rahu in 7th house
2. Venus, Sun and 7th lord Mars in 6th i.e. 12th from 7th in navamsa.

Jupiter and Saturn aspecting 7th house will give a positive direction to Rahu's energy. In other situations without those aspects you would have gone on to marry someone outside your caste or a foreigner. But Jupiters aspect provides a conventional marriage with the consent of your society and parents.

All planets in 6th house have their dispositor as Jupiter, which is aspecting your 7th house, from its own house and with strength because of chestabala in retrogression.

You may even go for a love marriage all with consent of your near and dear ones without any opposition from anyone. And the time is ripe now. Your spouse will be a bit rash in nature but very quick to calm down. She will be energetic and a go getter. She will have artistic tendencies like inclination towards singing, painting etc..

Regards
Sonu
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Dear Sonu
Can u also have a look at my Navamsha chart. It appears to me that I will go in for a love marriage with my 5th lord Ju sitting in the 5th in the D9 chart. However what about the the seventh lord Sat sitting in the 12th? In my D1 chart too there is a congregation of 3planets in my seventh house. How greatly will marriage affect my life?

I eagerly wait for your reply

Regards
Auro
Nitin21

Dear Auro,

You have a chance of love marriage as well. Not because Ju is in 5th but because ju in 5th is aspecting Venus in 11th. Venus is the marriage karaka for males. Likelihood of you meeting your better half is in foreign, with 7th lord Saturn in 12th and the dispositor moon being in 9th. However, you wil be worried on account of your partners expenditures.

You will meet this person after late 2010 and before 2013 you will get married.

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Sonu
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Dear Sonu,
I just wanted to ask about your prediction regarding the expenditure of my partner. In my D1 chart the 8th house seems to be quite strong with Ju sitting on it as a natural benefic and the house itself is aspected by its dispositor Ve. In the D9 chart too the 2nd house dispositor is also well placed in Gemini. So can you please elucidate your comment for me.
However all your indications put together I think my plans of going to Europe for 3 years (till 2013) for my higher studies in 2010 seems to be a settled fact. It seems to be even upheld by my d9 chart. I am however a bit nervous about whether I will be awarded a grant for the studies. I have been shortlisted for the commonwealth scholarship and have even appeared for the interview. Do you think I will be in the running for that prize.
In our discussion on the lagna/10th lord in the 8th would you like to comment more generally on grants, scholarships and fellowships that can be attained due to this positioning. Since the 7th signifies spouse or more generally the 'other' and 8th is second from 7th does it indicate such monetary gains/gifts/grants etc.

Regards
Auro
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Hi Auro,

Your 7th lord in navamsha is placed in 12th house of expenditure. So this becomes cause of your expenditure. This is just one amongst many things that 7th lord in 12th signifies.

I will come back to you on scholarships.

Regards

[quote="Auro"]Dear Sonu,
I just wanted to ask about your prediction regarding the expenditure of my partner. In my D1 chart the 8th house seems to be quite strong with Ju sitting on it as a natural benefic and the house itself is aspected by its dispositor Ve. In the D9 chart too the 2nd house dispositor is also well placed in Gemini. So can you please elucidate your comment for me.
However all your indications put together I think my plans of going to Europe for 3 years (till 2013) for my higher studies in 2010 seems to be a settled fact. It seems to be even upheld by my d9 chart. I am however a bit nervous about whether I will be awarded a grant for the studies. I have been shortlisted for the commonwealth scholarship and have even appeared for the interview. Do you think I will be in the running for that prize.
In our discussion on the lagna/10th lord in the 8th would you like to comment more generally on grants, scholarships and fellowships that can be attained due to this positioning. Since the 7th signifies spouse or more generally the 'other' and 8th is second from 7th does it indicate such monetary gains/gifts/grants etc.

Regards
Auro[/quote]
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Dear Sonu ji,

Thanks again for the analysis of my mariage aspects. You have done a nice analyis from D9 perspective.

However if we look at the D1 chart itself, the seventh house is badly afflicted with SA and MA conjunct in it. This causes agni marutha yoga which has devastating effects; like continuous arguments between the partners almost like raging wild fire, delay in having children and may be even lose of spouse. That is whay I am so worried about getting married. I am happy as I am right now and do not want to bring on unnecessary trouble by marriage as suggested by the planets.

Atleast in Auro's case, the two trines- 5th lord Moon and 9th lord MARS seem to atleast giving him some relief from the ill effects of SA and MA conjunction; As such the conjunction of 2 trines is very auspicious and will enable Auro to tide over the ill effects of SA-MA conjuction.

Coming to D1-chart itself: Even though JU is present in the Upapada Lagna (UL) itself-thus indicating the good family background of my spouse- the second house(MA) -which indicates the longevity - is severly afflicted- it is in 12th from UL that too with SA. All this indicates that the relationship will not last long and will be full of troubles even when together.

Your analysis on the D1- chart wrt marriage is much sought after in light of the factors that I have brought forth. Also can you tell me the approximate age at which I will get married.

Warm regards
Rajath
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Sonu ji, I just forgot to add something;

Even though I have been abroad and away from my parents for more than 6 years now, I have never fallen into love neither do I do have any girl in mind; more so because I am always concerned about my job and just do not have time for such things; I always feel vulnerable at my job never safe or secure; All in all I do not think I am going to have love marriage; also I am th eldest of my brother and sister and hence there is a lot of pressure to maintain family honor; you know how it is back in India; Further I have always felt looking for a spouse for me is my parents job because they only want the best for me and will certainly know what kind of girl would be compatile for me.

Further from D1 chart perspective, 7th lord dispositor ME is conjunct 6th lord dispositor Sun in 3rd house; Now it is well known, 7th lord with 6th lord is certainly not good from the spouse's health perspective; making it worse is the fact the ME is also 4th lord and being with 6th lord Sun that in 3rd (12th house from 4th) indicates loss of property; all the more reason not to get married, I guess;

I am eagerly looking forward to your take on both of my posts wrt marriage.

Ragrads
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Dear Rajath,

For marriage its navamsa that needs to seen for fructification of any yogas. Since navamsa is not so blemished you will have a good married life. Regarding love marriage, i already indicated that it will be with the consent of near and dear ones, so none will be hurt. Moreover, love marriage happening is a possibility and not the only option.

You will get married in current venus bhukti.

Hope this helps.

Regards
Sonu
Nitin21

Dear Auro,

I dont see any issues with the scholarship as well. Scholarships are seen via 5th house. In your D-24(since it is related to your studies) , Saturn the yogakaraka is aspecting your 5th house and in exchange with Jupiter the karaka for wealth. Jupiter sits in 5th as well. More over your 2nd lord Mars is sittign with Jupiter in 5th house thereby strengthening your chances of scholarship. I dont see an issue here astrologically.

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Sonu ji,

You are such an optimist and your words wrt my marriage aspects are so reassuring to me.

Still I have my doubts wrt my marriage being good; I know that we have to look at D-9 for marriage of a native. But the afflictions present in the seventh house of the D1 chart and the weak disposition of the seventh lord in the 3rd house that too in conjunction with 6th lord Sun is very inauspicious.

Also i dont think my career is stable as indicated by the planets themselves and no parent would want to give their daughter to some one who does not have a stable career.

Please do not get me wrong; I am not trying to prove anything here because my knowledge of astrology is so minuscule compared to yours; all I am trying to do is learn a bit of astrology and find peace with myself.

I really appreciate your analysis of the weak dispostion of the seventh lord ME in 3rd house in conjunct with 6th lord Sun; this would greatly help me in my learning of astrology.

Eagerly looking forward to your post.

Regards
Rajath
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Dear Rajath,

Lets take your concerns one by one:

1. Regarding career, I mentioned earlier that:

-- You will get when the right time comes as per your experience as I dont see any extra ordinary yoga to lift you up from normal circumstances. so it will progress with time. But it is assured. You will do well. Although you will see a dead end, it will not end that way.
-- Mercury the karaka for intellect and communications is afflicted and that you will have to recite Shri Vishnu Sahasranama to alleviate your status and fructify your career related ambitions.

--- After marriage your career will also take a sharp positive turn as Navamsha Chart gets active and Yoga karaka Saturn sits in 10th house :)

2. Regarding Marriage lets first clarify your D-1 doubts. Exalted Venus in lagna forms malavya yoga in your D-1. When it aspects 7th house it nullifies the negativities exerted by other planets on your 7th house. Malefic influences of planets are never taken into isolation. You have to see the dispositor of 7th house, aspects on 7th house, and how well the overall picture of the 7th house prevails. If you take into consideration only positives or only negatives, the prediction may not come as is promised by the chart. So here Venus in lagna cancels a lot negativities in your horoscope. It will take care of lot of unforeseen things also. Lagna is a kendra and a kona both. And Sakshat Mahalakshmi residing there means your afflictions will be taken care of. :) So be positive and dont worry.

Secondly, Mercury is 9th from itself in 3rd house. Hence Bhava wise it is a good placement. One thing you have to remember is that whereever your 7th house planet will be placed, it will be 12th from the bhava next to it. So, you cannot think of it as 12th from 4th so your property will be destroyed. Property conclusions are made in a different way through D-4 and jupiter gochara transits.

The planetary combinations that you see in 3rd house will infact help you in Emigration. Rahu afflicting 4th house and 4th lord 12th from itself means you cannot stay in your native land and will move abroad for permanent settlement. Sun the king of planets in 3rd house gives a lot of courage in fighting tough situations. It gives you endless courage.

Sun is also 6th lord means your enemies, diseases, debts etc. Its placement here means your siblings might be affected with the 6th house related problems. Also sun in 3rd may burn up your relationship with the siblings.

Navamsha related things i already clarified in the posts above.

Last but not the least, your 3rd house dispositor is exalted Venus in lagna aspecting 7th house. Shun your worries and give yourself to the Lord, i would say :) .
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Thanks Sonu ji; Your words has certainly alleviated some of my fears wrt marriage; As Auro has mentioned in one of the earlier posts,whatever destiny wills for us, we just have to experience it irrespective of whether it is good or bad.

Interesting that you talk about emigration; as such I have been abroad for more than 6 years now but no sign of permanent residency so far;

Just a small question though; do you forsee me settling in a country that is west, south-east, east or north of india ; right now I am in USA.

A thousand thanks to you Sonu ji.

Warm regards
Rajath
Nitin21

Dear Rajath,

Marriage is one of the events on which Humans have no control. It is related to prarabdha and anadi karma in the scriptures.

So if we are destined for 1 marriage or 10 marriages or even no marriages, it wil happen exactly like that and nothing can change it. No poojas no havans can change it.

All materialistic desires like career, wealth, health etc however are susceptible to change via prayers and remedies.

We need to remember that God is omnipotent and can change our destiny irrespective of planetary combinations. So, whenever you are in trouble, just remember and pray the almighty whole heartedly. You will be amazed to see the changes in your surroundings.

Regards
Sonu

[quote="rajath25"]Thanks Sonu ji; Your words has certainly alleviated some of my fears wrt marriage; As Auro has mentioned in one of the earlier posts,whatever destiny wills for us, we just have to experience it irrespective of whether it is good or bad.

Interesting that you talk about emigration; as such I have been abroad for more than 6 years now but no sign of permanent residency so far;

Just a small question though; do you forsee me settling in a country that is west, south-east, east or north of india ; right now I am in USA.

A thousand thanks to you Sonu ji.

Warm regards
Rajath[/quote]
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Sonu ji,

Thanks a ton sonu ji for all your analysis so far;

Now almost all astrologers whom I and my parents consult tell I will be in a foreign country for long time; Purely from an academic stand point can you kindly tell me what planetary configuration indicate abroad residence in my chart; I know you have mentioned about 4th house lord being in 3rd- 12th from 4th; Is it just that factor alone or any other factors also indicate the same? Do the stars indicate that my house will be in a foreign country as well?Will my place of settlement be in a country that is west or east or north or south of the country I was born in ie. India?

Warm regards
Rajath
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