Arudha Lagna question...

[GNE]

I have a question regarding my friends Arudha lagna,

first: could arudha lagna not be in the same sign that lagna lord is in?
ex: lagna lord in 4th...4th from 4th is 7th, but parashara says we can't have that and must deduct 4 from it, so AL becomes 4th house again - but lagna lord is in Al ?

second, is this "Arudha lagna cannot be in 7th house" rule truly set in stone?

Anyway,
I ask because I know a chart of someone close to me who has AL in 4th, but has Lagna lord Moon, aswell as mercury and venus in libra in it.
However they are very much NOT known or seen by others as anything regarding those planets really.
Everything I read, from KN Rao books or Kapiel Raj videos seems to say things like Moon/Venus(and to some degree merc) in Arudha lagna makes one appear super kind, attractive, artistic, etc.

However if we calculated AL simply by counting the number of houses from Lagna lord - and do not "Deduct 4 houses from it if it lands in lagna or 7th..) - then this persons chart has AL is in 7th house, with Ketu. And mars/rahu in 7th from it.
Now that fits absolutely. They are and have always been seen by others as a very rahu/ketu person, aswell as a fighter, a conflict starter (or resolver), and into physical fitness and being "manly" like mars. They are also often seen as a "sinner" or someone very much into the dark side of life (sex, drugs...).

And their birthtime has been 100% confirmed by hospital, mother's memory, birth certificate and other astrology readings/rectificatons.
Everything usually comes across as "wow, so true! astrology is very much correct on this"
except their Arudha lagna, which has us scratching our heads in regards to the results it's supposed to give.
He's 33 years old and so has had enough time for the AL to "activate" I think, (I Mean it's not like this is the chart of a 12 year old and we need to wait more time for their traits of AL to show up in society more)


Any opinions on planets in AL and what they really do?

Or perhaps the calculation is off? (and we should not use that "Deduct 4 houses" rule?)


edit just incase you wanted the birth details:

sept 30, 1981
2:03 am
toronto (ontario - canada)

[dc_4m_kolkata]

To my limited understanding AL cannot fall in the Lagna nor can it fall in the 7th House. If it happens, count 10 signs from there. I will cite an example. Aries Ascendant with Mars in Aries. What is normal AL? in Al Only. As per Parasara, count 10 signs and you reach capricorn...so Capricorn is your AL. Consider one more. Aries Ascendant with Mars in Libra. AL should be in Aries only. No it will again fall in Capricorn. Because you count 10 signs where the interim AL falls i.e. Aries (7th from 7th) and land up in Capricorn. IN WB there are dictums contrary to the views of placing AL in the 10th when it falls in Lagna/7th from it. It depends on the experience of the Astrologer as to which of the processes suits his requirements.

I understand that Cancer is his Ascendant with Moon in Libra. Therefore as per one principle, AL should be in Capricorn. As per the other principle it should be in Libra. Now Libra has Moon-Mercury-Venus and Capricorn has Ketu and automatically Lagna has Rahu and Mars in it. Ketu/Capricorn has argala on Libra and Rahu & Moon/Cancer has Virodh Argala on Libra. Both are papa-argalas. We cannot rule out the same.

[GNE]

Thank you,
yes I have heard of the same principle's. ...though what confuses me is when I read up on what some texts say it means when benefics like moon, venus, mercury fall in AL. ...
it just does not match this person, however if AL was in capricorn, it seems more fitting. Especially mars in 7th from it.
Yes mars aspects AL libra...though you'd think having 3 benefics in it, one being AL lord venus itself should overpower the negative aspect for the most part..?

I'm wondering how much should we put into trusting texts that mention what certain planets in AL or 7(aspecting AL) mean?
or do you or anyone on the forum here have a link to a trustworthy site/book that tells of the effects when certain planets are in (or aspecting) AL?


But of course it's still a question as to which principle to use....
My friend (the chart in question) had a reading with Vaughn Paul Manley from this site a while back, and asked about AL, in it VPM said it was in capricorn in "The method I use".

(friend let me listen to his reading in mp3 form, this is how I know what was said).

[dc_4m_kolkata]

See Moon- Mercury- Venus in my humble opinion are very soft planets. If unafflicted and with strength and in good position in a chart these planets can take a person to heights. One unafflicted-well positioned-strong plant in a native's horoscope (provided the proper Dasa comes) can make a person distinguishable from the common masses. There can be benefics in AL but does that mean they are unafflicted. Mercury with the slightest affliction becomes malefic. Same with Venus. Consider Venus in Libra but aspected by Mars. What do you think? The general indication would be "flirting type of nature". Therefore we cannot at any cost limit our interpretation to the AL which has benefics in it.

I don't know whether it is possible but if experts like Paul, Ramanan Ji. Shipla Ji, Saindhavi Ji can also comment that would be great and can put to rest our confusions.

[GNE]

Indeed, I see your point about affliction, especially to soft planets like this.
Though 2 quick questions come to my mind considering mars' aspect.... 1 being, should we read mars as it is from cancer lagna - which makes it yogakaraka, and though a malefic planet regularly, would the status of yogakaraka not sort of take away most of it's malefic energies from the aspect to AL... ?
Or do we read mars from AL, in which it is much more of a malefic than from cancer lagna. ..

next, why is it that the one malefic aspect of mars is enough to overpower all 3 benefics?
I mean in this case I guess you'd have to know the person who's chart is in question here...
as yes they have avery flirting type of nature, you are correct there.
But pretty much everyone that has come across him, or even met him for just 1 minute generally are afraid, or if woman they tend to get "grossed out" they say (because he comes across too sexual too often...), and even other guys that we've worked with (I worked with the person who's chart it is) would think that the guy is a criminal or something, I'd have to tell them he's not and is actually very decent.
It just seemed to me like his AL, or the image society has of him is negative....which fit more ketu/rahu+deb mars axis I thought, instead of the libra one...

but yes, if more experts could give their opinion on this AL confusion in a chart that would be great.