Application of non-chart techniques on dasamsa - case study

[lovacrs]

Lex ji,

I am also trying out KP for the last of couple of months and find it interesting and gives me more confidence to attempt a prediction. I only hope we are not violating any forum rules since KP is not strictly Vedic Astrology although it is based on it

Thanks for the analysis. Sa in the chart is in Jyeshta NOT Anurandha. In this chart all Grahas lead to 11th from KP perspective This chart is difficult by KP method too. I have come across some KP enthusiasts jumping to sub-sub if sub does not work. I am reluctant to go this road since it would then look very much like our current-day traditional jyothish, ie., find some rule to fit the event into!

With the rectified time (08:44:18), the 10th sub is Su - exalted in 11th, placed in the star of Ve, another exalted graha which in turn signifies 11th (star lord is Me in 11th). Su is also conjunct Me (combustion is not significant in KP) further strengthening the 11th signification. Su is further placed in sub of Me which again signifies 11th.

Sa, the owner of 10th cusp is in 6th (service) signifies 11th and is in sub of Su again signifying 11tth. There are three grahas in 10th two signifying 11th and Ra the third signifies 6th by star lord and 11th by sign lord. None of them are in the sub of a graha signifying negative houses.

Hence by KP method there should be absolutely no problem from a profession perspective.

Anyway, I am curious to see whether the event dates can be captured even approximately by KP method.

[Lex]

Lovacrs ji

K.P.system constitutes vedic astrology, involves nk system, Parashari system, cannot be any breakdown of rules.

I believe you havent read my earlier post.

Shani is bhava lord for 10th which extends from last deg of Kumbha till meena

My apology yes Shani in constellation of 1st and 4th bhava lord.

She has 2nd house significators in common sign and 10th bhava is also so does 6th Bhava....

The badaka is aspecting these houses...signification is getting affected.

I havent looked at whoever had done birth rectification

Have you worked at Sub who influenced her marriage and her first job through K.P.

Regds

[lovacrs]

Thanks Lex ji,

I did read your post. Yes 10th cusp owner is Sa. Ju owns only 7th and is the Badhaka for the native.
Also 4th cusp falls in Leo and hence Me owns only 1st.

Ra is the CSL of 2nd and since no graha tenants its star is a very strong signifactor of 2nd. It is also connected to 11th, 10th and 6th. Mo and Ke are second level signifactors of 2nd since they signify 4th both by own tenancy and tenancy of star lord (Mo).

As for aspects in KP - initially it used to be restricted to an orb of less than 5 degrees (also for conjunction). If you use this, Sa and Ma aspect each other and no other aspect qualifies. Only conjunction is between Su and Me.

Both marriage and first job the D-B-A lords are signifactors for the event and are in subs connected to supportive houses.

[Lex]

Thanks crsji

Dasa is Rahu is on
Arudra, Swati and Sathayam Rahu owns.

Antar dasa Ketu
Aswini, Makam, Moolam

Ketu is in nk of Chandra
Rohini, Hastam, Shravanam.

Sixth house
Shani in nk of asc lord
Aslesha,Jyesta,Revati

Owner Kuja
Mrigasirasham, Chithrai, Avittam

Shani's nk
Pushyam, Anuradha,Utthiratti

Owner of the house aspects own house.

Kuja in twelfth house i.e Shukra's house, Kuja in own nk strong

Tenth house..Kumbha to Meena..Lord Shani

Guru in asc Lord Nk,
Shukra in asc Lord Nk
Rahu in tenth bhava lord Nk.

Rahu is strong than other occupants, ditto Ketu stronger than Chandra's signification.

Budha, asc lord in eleventh bhava in Ravi's constellation, Ravi doesn't lord any house in this chart.
Asc lord signifies Ravi's nk
Krittika,Uttaram and uttaradam

Rahu in 10th Bhava aspects 4th Bhava and 6th Bhava

Chandra in 4th
Good intelligence, travel, good house keeping, good grasping power
Chandra in Virgo
Mind will be ebb and down, lots of changes

Ketu in Virgo
Intelligence enhanced,

Ketu in Chandra's nk
Mind will be wavered

Virgo is natural zodiacs house of sickness
Ketu is a surgery karaka or related to medicine
Chandra is a mind karaka and also occupying 4th house

Native's tendency here would be updating or interest in medicine and related finance transactions

...will see 6th bhava and 10th bhava significations..

[lovacrs]

Lex ji,

Ravi doesn't lord any house in this chart.

I am getting 4th cusp in 29Le23 both in JHora and KPnewastro. Please recheck.

[lightlamp]

hello lovacrs

you wrote:
" Both marriage and first job the D-B-A lords are signification for the event and are in subs connected to supportive houses "

Is this not a clue to time the event ? just a thought.

Lightalamp

[lovacrs]

hello lovacrs

you wrote:
" Both marriage and first job the D-B-A lords are signification for the event and are in subs connected to supportive houses "

Is this not a clue to time the event ? just a thought.

Lightalamp

lightlamp ji,

Yes. As I said earlier, the challenge in forecasting is to select the one out of many. You will usually come across number of possible dates on which the event can happen as per the defined rules. Are there definite techniques to reliably identify THE date? My feeling so far is that we dont have, if we are to restrict ourselves to classics as they are available now. D-chart and accompanying techniques are work done in that direction. Also if D-charts are not in line with Ganit in classics, so is KP. Prof. Krishnamurthy faced far greater cynisim and criticism when he propounded these principles and I assume he had far more knowledgeable people to contend with, simply because Sanskrit (and other classical languages that classics are written in) was still in use.

In the case of the chart in question, while we may be able to explain the job getting events using KP, I found it difficult to explain job exit events. Also once you get to know the dates, you will agree that there were earlier periods that appear better suited for the event.

[Lex]

lovacrs ji

Yes I get third bhava extended till 119 d 32 mins i.e 29d 32min.

Her important nakshatra concerned to growth is Vishakam. i.e. Guru and Shani

Her career should have commenced either nakshatras significating Guru and sub of Guru and subguru's star lord or ditto for Shani's case

Any planets connected with Shani and Guru also signifies but maleficness and fructification is the key.

Her marriage happened
Rahu -Shani period

Rahu is with Guru along with Visaka owner of sign...Guru has passed the baton to Rahu to do dharmic karma...Rahu in tenth house
Shani is tenth bhava lord...again Shani gave her growth in prosperity in Dharmic Karma

She would have tied marital knot

1.Significators of two seventh eleventh, their nakshatras either in these significators or having sambandana or transiting over the bhavas
2.Kuja's nakshatras transiting over her Shukra's nk
3.Luminaries establishing or their nakshatras transiting over Dharma Karma lord

Her marriage occured or muhurtam for tying knots
Chandra in Shravana
Chandra in Anuradha
Chandra connecting Shani or transit Shani over natal chandra

Probable dates of marriage December 2nd or December 9tg

Let me know

[lovacrs]

Lex ji,

Probable dates of marriage December 2nd or December 9tg

The actual date was 3/12/2010 (Ra in Moola, Sa in Hasta and Ju in PBha, Mo in Swati and Su in Jye)

[lightlamp]

Hello lovacrs

Classics are not text book in nature. Examples have not been worked out as if to teach students. Therefore as you said, techniques must be worked out to find events. Usage of vargas, are therefore a must . In physics, bundles of energies called harmonics are said to be placed in definite distances from the primary. Any student of science is fully aware of this.

The problem with us is that many of us try to over simplify the rules and always expect everything to fall in the domain we are comfortable with. Firstly, with an open mind we should study and understand atleast one thousand charts for timing each event.

sometime close to feb 2012 , she could have got a job. I am yet to understand if it is the first job. You may comment about this later after Lex attempts.

Lightalamp

[lovacrs]

lightlamp ji,

In the case under study, she could have had her first job sometime in aug 2005. You may pl tell if it is right. Dont give me the right date.

No it is not. It is well off the mark. But, yes, the period looks highly plausible from based on astro rules (tradiitonal Jyothish and KP)

[lightlamp]

Hello lovracrs,

please note i have edited my previous message, after noting it was too early age for the job , being 18 yrs. I edited now and posted a new time. I just now saw your reply

Ligthalamp

[Lex]

CRS ji
Therefore my assessment her Tula rasi Visaja is the point of contact for her escalation in her life growth. So Guru and Shani gives good momentum in their dashas and antaras. We have to keep in mind, Guru is badaka in tenth bhava and also a dwitiya rashi, her career will be changes happening and it is also seventh Lord in tenth bhava and aspecting 2nd house significators and Rahu has relation with sixth house from meena rashi.

My prediction of her marriage missed by a day.

BTW, has she done pilgrimage visit during Rahu Shani/Kety period?

[Lex]

Chandra,Ketu in lord of Ravi in sign of house of sickness
Ketu..Karaka of surgery
Ravi..Medicine
Chandra..mind, intelligence

Ravi -Shukra-Budha-Ravi
Shukra...talent,eye vision
Budha..brain, book

Ravi in Kuja's sign
stands for medicine, finance

Kuj-kuj-Shani-Budh
Kuja 11th lord in 12th signifying hosp,investment,expenses
Kuja aspects own House...6th house...house of sickness, debts, conflicts
Ketu aspects Kuja
Ketu....writing, editing
Kuja...Analysis

Shani lord of 10th in sixth

...will come back

[Lex]

lightlamp ji

When I arrived in this forum, I read folks writing in this very forum telling Rahu Ketu are malefics to hundreds of them.How can it be. I stopped looking into. .some. writes to queriest 7th lord in eleventh is good without bothering into sign dispositor whether it is maraka or badaka.

I never disputed on usage of Varga charts but, is that Time correct, and for that queriest will be quizzed like a intelligence bureau, questions for rectification, was. ...is your wife from different state, different caste...
Is this way to treat a queriest? There are other ways, employ Nadi or Prasna or K.P. system which gives accuracy to atleast 90 to 95 percent.

Infact, Parashari system is starting point in astrology.

[Lex]

sub of 10th cusp is Chandra, birth time taken 8.45

Shani..Karaka for disease in 6th aspected by Kuja
Shani denotes preta or dead body, Vrischika sign, abyssal sign, could be lab or O.T.
Kuja..denotes surgery
Shani in asc lord nk
asc lord signifying 11th sign..income
Rahu aspects Shani from 10th
Rahu is strong significator connecting 2,6,10
Shani is lord of 10th signifying 6th house and also 12th house
Along with Rahu in 10th house is Guru and Shukra
Shukra in Budha's star so do Guru
Shukra is 5th and 12th lord
10th sign placement of Shukra relates to hospital, investment matters in normal zodiac and being lord of 12th
...native might have done education pertaining to hospital dept?

Shukra+Budha denotes journal
Kuja does have relation to 10th House..Can be printing press of journal
Guru...wisdom
Guru aspects denotes medical

Therefore everything pointing
Rahu..strong sign...Dasha
Can be Guru or Shani bhukti
can be sub period be Chandra or Ketu or Kuja

..will come back

[Lex]

crs ji

Her 1st job in 2007
either 20th Aug or 12th Sep or 4th Oct

[lightlamp]

Hello lex,

You wrote : "employ Nadi or Prasna or K.P. system which gives accuracy to atleast 90 to 95 percent"

I wish you are right.

If that is so, astrology will be considered an exact science. I think you are over exaggerating .

Lightalamp

[lovacrs]

Lex ji/lightlamp ji,

Let me let the first cat (out of the six) out of the bag

She got into her forst job in Feb 2010. She studies Life Sciences/Micro-biology (not medical microbiology). Her first job involved editing research articles in this area before publication in journals.

The dates given by you both typifies the challenges in prediction. Please do take a call on the first job exit. I would also like to clarify upfront, that although a job was not a necessity for the native, she was still intent on working. i.e., there was no lack of attempt (aka exercise of so called free-will ).

She did not go any pilgrimage in Ra-Sa-Ke period.

[Lex]

As I said in my previous posts, sub decides

Didnt I mention about Chandra Kuja..and Ketu aspects Kuja

Anyways, first clarification you posted was micro bio more towards Medical and infact her Chart also figures out into micro bio, She cant be Medical doctor, as her chart doesnt indicate so. She is like a support staff to medicine like supporting education, infact she did editing articles for micros or pathos, who assists Doctors in arriving at diagnosis, like a pharmaceutical salesman or woman supports doctors through education and samples for end users.
In both cases i.e native & pharma rep..Kuja and Shani plays important alo.g with Guru and Chandra aided by communication Karaka Budha and research karaka Shukra.

Last post of yours contradicting your earlier post i.e micr bio not linked ti medicine.

Could you tell me what was subjects in micro bio when she studied life science, infacts micro bii in life sc..is study of living orgs in vitro and invivo cases. Her eighth lord is also Shani in her chaart...which a
mplifies what I had said.

[lovacrs]

Lex ji,

Yes,you are right. I was just clarifying. Today medical microbiology is a distinct subject and is a kind of specialization in micro-biology. The reason why I clarified that it was NOT medical-microbiology is to give you an astro pointer. The answer to the question "Is her earning coming from diseases/cure to the diseases?" is NO. The difference is very similar to that between a scientist who discovers a drug for typhoid as against a doctor who actually uses it to treat people.

There are also good many areas of study in microbiology that are unrelated to medicine. e.g., study of cell structure, DNA etc. By "slant" I was trying to hint an indirect relationship.

If you were to use traditional Jyothish, what would one have expected in Ra-Sa-Ma dasa with Sa and Ma in trik sthanas and "seeing eye-to-eye"? Why did this not happen in Ra-Ju-Ve or Ra-Sa-Ve? Unfortunately we are not getting any inputs based on Dasamsa

[lightlamp]

Hello lovacrs,

The exit of the first job and entry into the second job could have been around aug - 2010 or atleast i expect an event close to this date.

Lightalamp

[Lex]

crs ji
We are studying 2,6,10th house, now you are linking 11th house. I do agree whatever professional work engaged has to be compensated by money or recognition

You have quoted e.g scientist discovering a molecule for human health disorder that is Scientist work. You are wrong that a scientist discovers and doesnt earn out of discovery.

Pharma or Research med institutions does phase I study.These institutions engage such scientist to discover molecule say for a health issue. These scientists are paid and additionally given education fund. Once FDA approves molecule, new molecule is patented. Global turnover of that molecule Scientist are compensated by incentives by institutions.

Doctors treat patients by adminstering or prescribing such molecule, they can get professional fees from endusers and sometimes through institutions by lecturing around new molecule.

This native education, as I said earlier, micro bio dealing living or non living organgisms in laboratory or outside lab i.e invitro invivo

She would have left her job during K.P. dasha Rahu-Shani - Guru period
around Nov2010 Dec 2010

[lovacrs]

Thanks lightlamp ji, Lex ji,

The first job exit was in March 2011. She found the job boring. Ra-Sa-Ma giving a job in editing/journalism and Ra-Me-Me causing an exit, is not this intriguing?

2nd job entry is probably more intriguing. Please make a guess.

[lightlamp]

Hello lex,

The entry of the second job could have been immediately after the first job, probably before Apr 15, 2011.

Lightalamp