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athreya83 wrote:Dear Violet,

Thanks for the reading! Going by the way Jupiter MD has gone, I think you are right. One thing to I have to accept is Mercury has given me a fantastic career and a job I love. I cant deny the fact I have been consistently pushed up not gradually but very fastly. But Your words on emotional distraction is so true! The fact that am going to have the God of lessons Shani Dev MD next , I better be ready :). There is always Her by my side :)
Dear Athreya,

I was only looking at the chart from the point of view of MPY and its results. Even if MPY won't be active, you have a strong chart and will have excellent success in this life, imho. In this era, having some exalted and some deb. planets is good for rise in life. Exalted ones give smooth ride and talents while deb. ones add some burn and motivation to do better instead being content with what one has.

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Even i too have this yoga, my fortune keeps on swinging. here are my details 24/03/1977, 77E35, 12N59, 08:55 AM. I don't whether because of current dasa/bhukti or because of sakata yoga, my career never took off. Always i will be pressure situation. Career is a disaster.
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I believe the meaning of the title given to the yoga 'MPY' should not be taken literally, but figuratively. It, I don’t think, means that the person will become great in the sense that he will become a celebrity or something; it means, the person will be above average and will have big talents, and there are many people around us like that.

Now, the planet which makes the MPY, I believe, the good qualities of that planet will be there in the native’s life and personality. Like Athreya ji has Bhadra Mahapurush Yoga, which is formed by Mercury. So she will be extremely intelligent, very good in communication oral/written, will be witty, will be good in mathematics, and very learned. She will have a good business sense also. So basically she will have all the good traits of Mercury in abundance. Her 10th house is involved in the MPY, so it will give her extraordinary success in respect to her career, too. I think this is how the yoga should be interpreted, than expecting a person with it to become a celebrity in some field.

Now, one more point that I would like to make here is, we have to see whether the planet making the MPY is a functional benefic or malefic for the ascendant and also if any malefic planet is afflicting it or not. If it is a functional benefic for the ascendant and not afflicted by any malefic, it will give its fullest results, otherwise not, and more so in its major period. A bad planetary period will not allow the MPY to give its results properly.

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Hello Basab - Do you have anything to say about my Malavya yoga? Ve is a functional malefic for Pi ascendant but it is not influenced by other malefics and occupies exaltation navamsa too.
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Dear Violet,

Thank you for your kind words!

One thing I know is Horoscope of a person is like a mirror. It just shows our past karmas. You cant sow barley and reap rice isn't it? I was only curious to know how you read a chart! I was Impressed from the angles in which you read it. Some day I Hope I will learn to be there. My philosophy is If there are lessons, take them humbly. If there is success, take them even more humbly :). About 6 years ago I realised "She" Knows all. That is why I hold the lines of Ram Prasad Sen close to my heart.

Dear Basab,

You were spot on when you said I have good communication Skills. Intelligence I will leave it to others to Judge :). I love Math too. Add a mix of classical Physics and You have me hooked. You have brought some very nice points about a planet being a functional malefic or not and whether it has malefic influence before we Judge a MPY. You are right in saying that MPY should not be considered literally, but figuratively.

By the way am a "he" and not a "she". Guess my nickname doesn't allow to figure out my Gender :)

Regards,
Athreya.
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Dear Missile,

I see one common theme in your chart. D1- Lord of 10th house- Saturn, In 4th house(ok!), in enemy's house (not Ok) and his dispositor is in Lagna afflicted by ketu. Saturn also aspects the 10th house.

D-9 : Lord of the 10th in 3rd (Not so Ok) afflicted by two malefics ( Saturn and mars are Functional benefic for libra ascendant-D9)

D-10 : 10th lord in saturn's house and is aspected by saturn (considering H-10 is that of sun, that makes it interesting, the exchange of Saturn and Sun, although Saturn is lord of 3rd and 4th).

Lot of Saturn influence on Career..

Tell me something, Do you "feel" Your career is not progressing well because of obstacles at important moments?

* disclaimer : Am a novice, and you should take my words with Tons of salt.

Regards,
Athreya
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Hi Athreya,

I am sorry, I thought you to be a girl. Yes, the id name made me feel so. Sorry once more about that. Thanks for the feedback. I am glad you liked the points I made.

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athreya83 wrote:Dear Basab,

You were spot on when you said I have good communication Skills. Intelligence I will leave it to others to Judge :). I love Math too. Add a mix of classical Physics and You have me hooked. You have brought some very nice points about a planet being a functional malefic or not and whether it has malefic influence before we Judge a MPY. You are right in saying that MPY should not be considered literally, but figuratively.

By the way am a "he" and not a "she". Guess my nickname doesn't allow to figure out my Gender :)

Regards,
Athreya.
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Hi Huien,

Malavya yoga gives wealth and luxury and makes the person artistic and romantic, and they are surrounded always by people of the opposite sex. They have charm and grace and are fashionable. Being a functional malefic for your ascendant, it loses some of its power; and being vargattoma, it gains back some of the lost power.

Basab
huien1 wrote:Hello Basab - Do you have anything to say about my Malavya yoga? Ve is a functional malefic for Pi ascendant but it is not influenced by other malefics and occupies exaltation navamsa too.
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[quote="Orange-Man"]Hi Athreya,

I am sorry, I thought you to be a girl. Yes, the id name made me feel so. Sorry once more about that. Thanks for the feedback. I am glad you liked the points I made.

Basab

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Dear Basab,

No worries! Chill! :)

Why do you think of missile's chart? Lets Brainstorm @missile's expense :P
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Athreya,

I don't do astrology much these days so don't feel like checking charts that much. Don't mind.

Basab
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Orange-Man wrote:I believe the meaning of the title given to the yoga 'MPY' should not be taken literally, but figuratively. It, I don’t think, means that the person will become great in the sense that he will become a celebrity or something; it means, the person will be above average and will have big talents, and there are many people around us like that.

Now, the planet which makes the MPY, I believe, the good qualities of that planet will be there in the native’s life and personality. Like Athreya ji has Bhadra Mahapurush Yoga, which is formed by Mercury. So she will be extremely intelligent, very good in communication oral/written, will be witty, will be good in mathematics, and very learned. She will have a good business sense also. So basically she will have all the good traits of Mercury in abundance. Her 10th house is involved in the MPY, so it will give her extraordinary success in respect to her career, too. I think this is how the yoga should be interpreted, than expecting a person with it to become a celebrity in some field.

Now, one more point that I would like to make here is, we have to see whether the planet making the MPY is a functional benefic or malefic for the ascendant and also if any malefic planet is afflicting it or not. If it is a functional benefic for the ascendant and not afflicted by any malefic, it will give its fullest results, otherwise not, and more so in its major period. A bad planetary period will not allow the MPY to give its results properly.

Basab
Dear Basab,

Even if we take a yoga "figuratively", we have to still see what is special about a yoga that adds something "extra" influence. (For example, Jupiter in Simha or Kumba in kendra can also confer "above average" life. Jupiter in lagna is supposed to take away all other problems in a chart for any rasi).

Kendras being Vishnu sthanas and "anchors" or ayanas of life, I believe they are about leadership in society and resources. It need not mean celebrities, because I think fame is rather controlled by Rahu. It is about 'Nature' of individual.

Note that restriction of "functional benefic" will make half the MPY null. Jupiter will never be functional benefic to any lagna when he is exalted in kendra (Aries - 12th lord, Cancer - 6th lord, Libra - 6th lord, Capricorn-12th lord). When own house, he will be "badakesh" without trine rulership in half the cases. So, when Jupiter is kendra in own house and lagna lord, we can already see the strong lagna lord effects. I am not sure how MPY definition "adds" anything to the expected results due to strong lagna lord.

Think about half the cases for Mercury and Venus too. This is not even considering malefic influence. But the talents you mentioned for Bhadra yoga, can also occur with just exalted blemish-free Mercury. Why additional kendra condition if it is going to make Mercury as badakesh half the time?


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Violet
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Hi Violet,

There is of course something special about all the yogas that are there in astrology, but the high-sounding names that are given to them and the big effects that are promised for them are not for real, which we get to see all the time. That was the point I was trying to make when I said that what the theories say about the yogas should not be taken literally as that would only disappoint.

I did explain my point, giving the example of Bhadra MPY in Athreya’s chart that it will give him the positive qualities of Mercury in abundance, and it will give a lot of positive in respect to his 10th house as the yoga involves the 10th house. And that is true in his case as we know. He is not a great soul, who is being worshipped by the whole world, as the name of the yoga that he has, 'mahapurush yoga', suggests. So if we go by the literal meaning of the name of the yoga, we are in for a big disappointment.

Coming to Jupiter in lagna, or Jupiter in Leo or Aquarius in an angular house, I don’t think they will give the same kind of positive effects that we can expect from Jupiter in ascendant in own sign/exalted in an angular house. Even the basic theories of astrology will consent to that. So it surely proves that when a Hamsha Mahapurush Yoga is formed, it will give superior results than placement of Jupiter in a friendly sign in an angular house is expected to give.

Jupiter in ascendant taking away all the negatives in a chart is another exaggeration of theory, which we should not take literally. We should just believe that that position of Jupiter will support the chart to a good extent, and not expect it to wipe away all the negatives there.

Coming to the theory of functional status of a planet, the first thing I would like to say is, as taught by Vaughn Paul, I take the trinal lords for all ascendants in a chart to be functional benefics, and the other lords functional malefics. I follow that rule, and when I mentioned functional status of a planet, I said so keeping that theory in mind.

But then, if we see as per BPHS, Jupiter is a benefic for Aries and Cancer ascendants. It is a neutral for Saggitarius ascendant and not declared a malefic in case of Pisces ascendant. So for these ascendants, the MPY made by Jupiter will work much better than in case of the other ascendants.

Now, MPY is formed not just from ascendant but also from the Moon. So if a planet, which becomes a functional benefic from the ascendant and makes MPY from the Moon, some more ascendants will be added to the list, where Jupiter will give very good results. :)

Yes, it is true that MPY will not give extraordinary results in a lot of cases because of which thousands of people born with such yogas don’t become great or even successful in respect to normal middle-class standards.

Yes, the talents that I have mentioned for Athreya will be found even in case of people with good Mercury, but the difference will be of degree, and that will make all the difference. Strong Mercury can make one intelligent and good in studies, and it can make an Einstein as well—the difference in intelligence being one of degree—one having super intelligence, and the other having just plain good intelligence.

A person with exalted Mercury as badhakesh will be maybe an intelligent person with good knowledge but leading an ordinary life, and a person with exalted Mercury in an angular house will be maybe having an intelligence that will make him a scientist, the difference in degree of intelligence making a big difference in their lives, both being intelligent though as promised in their charts.

And by the way, I don’t believe in the conpcept of badhakesh because every time I think of it a couple of questions come to my mind: how can the 9th lord become a badhakesh, which happens in case of all fixed signs, and how a yogakarak for an ascendant can become a badhakesh as well as it happens in case of Taurus and Aquarius ascendants! Something to ponder on.

Basab

P.S. 'Mahapurusha' means a great man, and to be great and still not be known to the world, doesn't happen that often. So I am sure it is a yoga for fame, too, though I agree with you that Rahu gives fame, and Sun also, I feel.
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Dear Basab,

We are looking at the same problem in two different angles. You say, MPY definition covers lot of cases and so, it can't given extraordinary results in all cases. We agree on this point.

Then, your argument is, "we have to change the results of MPY for same definition". My argument is, "we have to change the definition of MPY for same results". So, I add restriction of Sun and Moon strength to MPY definition, and you give a grading to MPY results in conjunction with other parameter.

In my mind, Mahapurushas can exist without being world famous, just like great scientists can exist without all of them being Einsteins or winning Nobel prizes. Great warriors can exist without us ever knowing their names or stories. Fame is not the only measure of greatness, even if it is one of the manifestations in some cases.

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Violet
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Hi Violet,

You have summed it up nicely about MPY.

I guess we don’t agree on the definition of ‘great’. I am not saying that a person has to be world famous to be great. He can be famous nationally, or regionally, but he will be famous definitely, if he is great. I believe in that.

Yes, very good scientists can exist, but a good scientist is not a great scientist—there is a difference between the two, I believe. Very good warriors can exist, and we may not know about them, but maybe they are not that good to be considered great.

We know of great generals like Napoleon, and Alexander, and Chengiz Khan, and their stories we know, too. In every field there has been great people, whose names have found a place in history. Being great but not having world/national/regional recognition seems unlikely, to me at least.

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Hello All,

I am a new member here and found this thread very interesting. My moon is in 7th house, and exalted Jupiter in 12th house (6th from moon). Does this amount to 'Mukuta Yoga'?
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