NADI System Question

[Crystalpages]

This post is primarily aimed at member Lex ji, but others are invited to participate as well.

Dear Lex ji,

Since LOVA does not have a dedicated forum for NADI system (unless I missed it, somehow), there are postings pertaining to nadi-usage and other related comments in other places.

On one of the recent exchanges, I was intrigued by Lex ji's sharing about use of Nadi when birthdate and place but not the time Is known, such as in the case of celebrities. Not too familiar with the ins and outs of nadi systems, I was hoping that those who have successfully used and mastered the systems would not mind to devote some time and effort to bring us up to speed on this fascinating methodology of working with the approximate horoscope without absolute dependence on lagna.

As an educational exercise (for us readers), this is an individual (not celebrity) whose life events, nature, etc are reasonably known to me, but not the birthtime. The date and place is accurate.

Male born on November 21, 1951, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

IMPORTANT: This is not intended to be a quiz for comparing methods, but aimed at understanding the nadi-usage in such circumstances.

Thanks in advance for those with nadi experience for their help,

Regards,

Rohiniranjan

[Lex]

RR ji

I have learnt astrology, Vedic mantras etc in live classes with my Guru, like Guru and student relation with feet touching of Guru and learnt. These vedic rites cannot be exercised or learnt without livein settings with a Guru.
You are furnishing data and requested me to analyze. Astrology is not exercised this way.
A querist like a career issues or a progeny or health, when asks a query, a stimuli is sent to respond and help them in serious case. Your query is trying to test or intimidate me. I said then this is not astrology which I would refrain from doing.

Thanks and Regards

[Crystalpages]

Lex ji,

You are overreacting a bit, Sir and questioning my intentions. Let me clear the air a bit, please!

I am not trying to learn nadi system from you or through interent messages or exchanges, which seems to have become the popular norm these days!

I am intrigued by your descriptions and claims that the system can work flawlessly even without knowing the lagna or time of birth etc. So, yes, in a sense I would be interested in seeing a demonstration of the system through the chart, but that should not be taken personally. I am not testing you as an astrologer, but the system that I have heard about and particularly the claim you made. I do not see anything wrong with that and hopefully others do not, either.

You are engaged in a bit of difficult exchanges, unfortunately, at the same time with others and that might be upsetting you and making you feel a bit on the spot. I can understand that and can only hope and pray that internet can take on a more amiable format.

That said, if such a demonstration of what you claimed and which I found rather interesting and intriguing poses any mental anguish etc to you, then of course you have the full rights to do so. On the other hand, if you do arrive at a calmer frame of mind and wish to return to this, I will still remain interested.

If any other members versed in Nadi systems and support Lex ji's claim and wish to participate, kindly do so and I am hopeful that Lex ji out of the goodness of his heart would not have any ill-feelings about that.

All the best and regards,

Rohiniranjan

RR ji

I have learnt astrology, Vedic mantras etc in live classes with my Guru, like Guru and student relation with feet touching of Guru and learnt. These vedic rites cannot be exercised or learnt without livein settings with a Guru.
You are furnishing data and requested me to analyze. Astrology is not exercised this way.
A querist like a career issues or a progeny or health, when asks a query, a stimuli is sent to respond and help them in serious case. Your query is trying to test or intimidate me. I said then this is not astrology which I would refrain from doing.

Thanks and Regards

[elipsis]

The nadi system relies on karakatwa of a planet - Sun always being the atmakaraka and not the planet that has attained the highest degree. In this system - a planet alone cannot yield any results as it depends on other planets to give results, so interdependence is the key of nadi astrology as different planetary patterns and sign placements produce different results. There are different branches in nadi but mostly this system relies heavily on intuition of the astrologer - like they take into account the timing of the questioner,gender, surroundings, region, place etc along with the birth chart. Also Lagna is not taken into account because its the part of the horoscope, in nadi - horoscopes aren't considered - they don't call your chart as 'horoscope' because to them only planetary positions are required and they will be able to tell your average location of birth, name, siblings, your parents and pretty much what you'll go through in life. But very few people are able to master all of these techniques because they lack the intuitive ability but continued practice will turn them into masters.

I will just explain one or two techniques using your data as an example. When Moon is with Ketu we can assume the mother of the native is very spiritual, however the position of Moon and Ketu is important - here in this chart Ketu is ahead of Moon giving us an indication that Mother will leave the physical realm very early in life, if Ketu was behind the moon we can assume that Mother of the individual would have lived much longer. Then there is an exchange between Mercury and Mars while this maybe good for his career it certainly is bad for married life as Venus hasn't got anything pleasant to look forward to.

Regards

[lovacrs]

ellipsis ji,

Thanks for volunteering to participate. Hoepfully we will pick up some key points of the methodology.

I will just explain one or two techniques using your data as an example. When Moon is with Ketu we can assume the mother of the native is very spiritual, however the position of Moon and Ketu is important - here in this chart Ketu is ahead of Moon giving us an indication that Mother will leave the physical realm very early in life, if Ketu was behind the moon we can assume that Mother of the individual would have lived much longer.

These lines caught my attention. I have posted on another a thread a chart with this combination.(10/May/1987 08:45 AM Bangalore). I have a few questions, if you dont mind answering.

1. By spirituality do you mean dharmic or god-fearing or ritualistic or immersed in pooja/meditation? I am not expecting you to define (which is perhaps a subject matter of a whole book ). I just want to understand what you had on top of your mind when you mentioned it.
2. Ketu ahead - It appears you are not giving any importance to Ketu's retrogression. Can you please confirm?
3. Is the divination of the result (for e.g, that mother is spiritual) related to nakshatras/signs? i.e., will the result be the same irrespective of which sign or which nakshatra they are placed in?

[elipsis]

1. By spirituality do you mean dharmic or god-fearing or ritualistic or immersed in pooja/meditation? I am not expecting you to define (which is perhaps a subject matter of a whole book ). I just want to understand what you had on top of your mind when you mentioned it.

Something along those lines yes - Ketu represents the spiritual realm, ancestors, traditions and practices of the bloodline, with this combo mothers tend to become very strict and they also instil moral and religious values into children.

2. Ketu ahead - It appears you are not giving any importance to Ketu's retrogression. Can you please confirm?

I am giving importance to retrogression, its going be bad news for the native overall when moon first meets ketu, unless there are other positive indicators that can mitigate the negative effects. I don't want to go deep into this as it creates undue panic among users.

3. Is the divination of the result (for e.g, that mother is spiritual) related to nakshatras/signs? i.e., will the result be the same irrespective of which sign or which nakshatra they are placed in?

Nakshatras are secondary, however the sign placements do play a significant role - in Dharma (Aries, Leo and Saggitarius) and Moksha trikona (Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces) the combination of Moon-Ketu has a greater significance. Each of these signs display a certain amount of intensity as they are ruled by different deities - the sign of Aries shows the early stages of spiritualism - like doing one's duty and obeying teachers, while Leo is the half way mark and Sagittarius has the highest flow of spiritual energy where people normally focus on higher knowledge and pursue higher ideals. So naturally - Jupiter, Moon, Ketu, Mars and Sun thrive in these signs while in others signs like the Artha trikona (Taurus, Virgo and Capricorn) the application of spirituality is displayed externally - like when dealing with the society or when doing business or in the workplace etc

Regards

[lovacrs]

Thanks elipsis ji.

however the sign placements do play a significant role - in Dharma (Aries, Leo and Saggitarius) and Moksha trikona (Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces) the combination of Moon-Ketu has a greater significance. Each of these signs display a certain amount of intensity as they are ruled by different deities - the sign of Aries shows the early stages of spiritualism - like doing one's duty and obeying teachers, while Leo is the half way mark and Sagittarius has the highest flow of spiritual energy where people normally focus on higher knowledge and pursue higher ideals. So naturally - Jupiter, Moon, Ketu, Mars and Sun thrive in these signs while in others signs like the Artha trikona (Taurus, Virgo and Capricorn) the application of spirituality is displayed externally - like when dealing with the society or when doing business or in the workplace etc

Very profound - may God bless you. I was curious because results in the chart that I put up did not match apparently. No untoward incidence when Ketu met Moon after birth (which would be within one day here since both are in the same Nakshatra. But the mother does seem spiritual (Ta level in Vi ) after your clarification.

By the way, are Nadi techniques inbariably inter-twined with prasna or they can be applied om natal charts independently?

[elipsis]

Very profound - may God bless you. I was curious because results in the chart that I put up did not match apparently. No untoward incidence when Ketu met Moon after birth (which would be within one day here since both are in the same Nakshatra. But the mother does seem spiritual (Ta level in Vi ) after your clarification.

That's because the combination is opposed by a number of planets, including Jupiter which represents the native himself.

By the way, are Nadi techniques inbariably inter-twined with prasna or they can be applied om natal charts independently?

They aren't inter-twined but the timing of the prashna has an added weight - Kashyapa Hora deals with the prashna side of nadi astrology where Hora and Sub Hora lords are considered along with a number of external factors. There are even more complex techniques involving the nadis of our body - in South India there are a few handful of astrologers who apply this method. For instance - the two nostrils represents two planets - the left nostril represents Moon and the right one represents Sun, if you observe carefully you will find the left nostril always feels a little moist than the right one. When you breathe - the air intake in one nostril will always be higher than the other one and as and when the Hora changes the airflow changes from one nostril to the other - based on these subtle changes the astrologer is able to make predictions.

Regards

[lovacrs]

Thanks elipsis ji. I must say it is getting more and more interesting.Connecting body nadis to astrology

[Crystalpages]

Thank you so much Elipsis, for your reply and I see that you and CRS had been pretty active since your response, while I was sleeping and busy with other things, until now when I saw your first note! I shall study the exchanges more carefully between readings, and meetings, etc and hopefully will be able to respond, this evening. In the meantime, please continue and hopefully others would be able to join in as well, those experienced in using nadi-systems as well as others who are interested and intrigued like me about these hidden gems that are very much a part of Indian astrological divination techniques!

One of the books I purchased from India recently, "Revelation from Naadi Jyotisha (based on Brighu/Nandi Nadi System)" by Satyanarayana Naik should certainly educate me a bit more, although learning from a Guru at his or her feet as Lex ji pointed out might be the best, but such luxuries are, unfortunately, let alone difficult but impossible to find, reliably, where I found home, so books would have to do! Just as was the case for the rest of Jyotish for me in this lifetime!

Regards,

Rohiniranjan

[elipsis]

Dear Rohini, read the books by RG Rao, he is the one of few people who have translated cryptic nadi leaves and remedies into English language. Luckily, he lives very close to my Bangalore residence which may be the reason why I was able to pick up his frequencies when I started look at astrology very seriously...

[Crystalpages]

Dear Rohini, read the books by RG Rao, he is the one of few people who have translated cryptic nadi leaves and remedies into English language. Luckily, he lives very close to my Bangalore residence which may be the reason why I was able to pick up his frequencies when I started look at astrology very seriously...

I have read the ones presumably by him such as natal chart from palm and the other one about lagna etc from the thumb and the collections of charts with notes (B/N nadi) a while ago and also subsequently (I think I still have those or 2nd copies purchased after the first one disintegrated over time and travels and moves) but unfortunately, most of the things were knowingly or inadvertently left unexplained or purrhaps I lacked the intuition etc But seriously, those are what piqued my interest and Rayudu's much clearer articles (I think he is an engineer and researcher/manager and the clarity of style shows brilliantly!).

Naik is R.G. Rao's student, by the way!

RR, now back to the RR (rat-race!)

Regards,

Rohiniranjan