do lead to (provoke?) very interesting and concise and clear -- well thought-out (speaks of ones significant practical experience) response, such as yours, that is educative and a gem to witness!Thanks RR ji. I know I can be an irritant and am really blessed that people like you and Rathore ji do demonstrate such forbearance. Would request for more since I am, admittedly, sevrely handicapped by logic. But I assure you and others members, more specifically Rathore ji, that I have done a veru honest attempt in putting forth my view.Crystalpages wrote:Then again, dear Rathore ji, and looking at the silvery lining, sometimes wanderings and wonderings (there goes that inflammatory, pitta-genic word again!
Very nice sharing. Thanks to you as well as to CRS ji who often has been seen (by me) as a catalyst with a very useful and prominent role on jyotish forums!
Love, Light, Peace and thanks again!
Rohiniranjan
I have said this earlier. Show me one SINGLE rule that works ALWAYS from any classic. I will promise to bring you birth data disclosed in this forum that do not fulfill the rule. In this very post I have pointed out several dicta that do not fulfill negative testing. If this were not so why will there "Do Rajayogas and other Yogas really work" kind of threads? Mind you, these kind of threads hopelessly outnumber the ones titled for e.g., "Thanks for accurate prediction".It seems you are looking for acrobatic techniques that are spread over Internet these days. They look intellectually appealing with their mumbo jumbo but do some negative testing & they fall apart
This is as good as saying dasamsa can never be used with reliability. On the other hand there are effective demonstrations of Dasamsa as a chart technique. In fact if we were to try and use only Rasi chart, there is a greater likelihood of explaining-away-anything syndrome in the absence of finer insights.About Dasamsa, its calculation is uneven (unlike Navamsa which is even) & then the birth time is somewhat uncertain. That makes me uncomfortable because I try to stay away from the explaining-away-anything syndrome.
Perhaps, but I am yet clueless about using dasamsa for timing events.You may want to do Rashi Tulya Dasamsa & consider nidhan, ari, vyaya dasamsa for your testing. It would make the results very clear.
My guess is that some might not be revealing all of their methodology since it takes a lot of time to write out in a linear format (messages etc) the complex thought process which is often not linear and based on pattern identifications (connecting the dots!) or out of other reasons. Additionally, intuition could be playing a role at many levels even without the astrologer's full awareness. It is difficult to be thinking and also self-examining at all times and deciphering a chart does take a lot of concentration etc. And some do that 'after-analysis (or post-hoc analysis of the process, better than others. All the same, kudos to any that manage with just D-1 and transits, but I suspect that that is not the entire story. That said, I have my personal doubts if we will ever get to the point when AI or NN etc would enable to break down the components into a series of chunks that can make cybernautics create an astrology predicting replica of the human mind. And until then, human beings are our only source of the information or sifting the complex mix into identifiable shapes which can be meaningful.prakhs123 wrote:After reading your post I have lost faith in how astrologers predict using just D-1 Chart and Transits.fluid2finance wrote:Dear Madam,
Statistically 51 people are born every minute in india (give or take)
an average lagna lasts lets say 140 minutes in an indian lat/ longitude (rough average and will vary ofcourse)
which means any given day within those 140 minutes (with most planets not moving rashis) about 51 x 140 = 7140 people are born
lets round it down to 7000
approx. 7000 people have the same rashi chart and a MD/AD which will vary a little bit as moon moves a couple of degrees but safe to say most have the same dashas as well. Their moon sign and lagna being same, transits will be same too - of Saturn, Jupiter/ rahu and ketu... for the 51 born in the same minute...dashas will be almost identical
now madam can you enlighten me as to how the 7000 people in this case will have 80-90% of their readings given correctly or have the same fate?
I believe that must be a mind boggling amount of intuition to do so!!
Don't get me wrong...I do agree with D1 being most important with dashas and transits. But on a scientific level, astrology without emphasis on divisionals is meaningless
as a side note, the nadi astrology people (thumb impression reading guys in india) use 150th division and north and south part of nadiasma (1/150th) too. meaning the 300th division and claim that without that level, accuracy is not possible,...this 300 th portion changes every 1.5 second
granted that not possible to get to that level in general astrology, but inability for us to do so does not mean it becomes wrong
as the old saying goes - make it simple, but not simpler!!
thanks & Regards
f2f
. Mars (in Ket-Mars) has less support to cause change. In Ven-Mars it was in exchange with Venus in Dasamsa. So even though Ketu by itself can cause changes, the antardasha lord is not in as strong a support as it is during Ven-Mars. Also note Ketu-Rahu dashas are very tricky to predict because of them being shadows on which several views exist. I am not saying to believe all this, I am just saying much synthesis need to happen before a prediction can be made. Only then all this will help in prediction. Otherwise who are we kidding other than ourselves? If I wish to question the competence of a sanskrit translator, I must first attain his/her stature first. Please remember that in the days of quoted translations (by Anuradha ji) the translators were doing a service, in all probablity, personally un-remunerative. Very likely that they were practicing astrologers of reasonable repute. I can question KN Rao Ji or B.V Raman Ji only after ATLEAST attaining their stature. But of-course, the spirit of questioning has to be there. It is essential to hold it there and not allow it to assume an exaggerated form. It is fine to say sage Parashara is great. But we have to accept that what they have left us (or rather what we have left of them!) does not seem to work consistently. There is scope for vast improvement.But hey why put effort when someone else can do it for me while I can learn the same in shortcut? However I will make sure I talk the hell out of it even though I don't even know that I don't know.
You get the gist here.
And of-course, I have a chart ready, provided both "camps" are willing! Lex wrote:I dont have to excuse your curiosity, only Almighty has the right to pardon, if the intention of challenging in a dimension which is not in taste aligned with vedic matters but looks more towards eccentic way.
Nadi astrology are many. I do not read astrology books, therefore no knowledge on said authors. Learnt astro through Guru and in difficult chart cases, in my spare time, lend my support to queriest.
CRS chart, I guess, his chart doesnt have vakri planets. So, therefore, where was retro topic came in CRS thread.
This is completely besides the point. Effort is absolutely necessary and ultimately a personal attribute. The point at issue is do I put in effort to learn/master varga as chart or is that a waste. After all these posts we are still at the same starting point. Varga as charts have case studies in public domain and varga-not-as-chart has none except perhaps for Navamsa. And my request to demonstrate it with ONE case study (my chart) is not yet fulfilled. Other than pointing me to go through the classics myself not a SINGLE varga rule has been applied even to justify a known event. I have also suggested that you attempt another chart and apply the rules to guess the timing of an event that has already happened. Consistent rules for prediction is one area where varga-as-chart looks very attractive.the point is to first put own effort & then think if what is said is correct or not (i.e. Verify). ....
A large portion will NOT put real effort & this shouldn't be a surprise. Most of us will not amount to anything in any subject usually because we will not make the effort (be it circumstances or wish is not the point here).
It is not without reason that their names are being brought in here. The reasons are not political, purely astrological, atleast from my side. If at the end of this post you have demonstrated application of dasama rules without seeing it as a chart, I will be quoting your name too.I am not questioning them. Its people who bring in their names while I tell them not to because then its just being a fanboy assuming they are always right & I don't want threads to get political, it is just informational.
Can you please provide some references to their publications (books, case studies ...). Since you are a person who stresses so much on self effort, I am sure you would have put in your own efforts to reach the same conclusion. All that I have been requesting you is to share the fruits of these labour with us to help us reach the same conclusion. Please share your case studies, publications etc.There are others who have gone through almost every classic available concluding Vargas for what they are (not as charts).
You want me to treat their assertions with scepticism but take yours at face value! Very strange expectations.And no you can't conclude that Raman, Rao etc. went through Ganit part neutrally. They learned Astrology as kids from others first & when they went through the Ganit part (if they really did), they were perhaps already biased. The point is we can't possibly know that. Hence we have no choice but to do it on our own.
I did not understand the "..you recommended to others.." part of your assertion. You may be tired of discussing my chart. That is fine. But the fact remains that the only dasamsa rules that you brought out were on how many were in movable signs etc. This, I have pointed out did not match with the timing of the events. The other varga techniques related to Navamsa. The reason why I have kept off from Navamsa are the following:Handful of Vargas techniques were used in your chart's case study with known events, that you recommended to others so I don't see how you are back to starting point. Your chart is discussed enough to get an idea.
While you are here do watch the circus of Planets juggled like balls such as a clown does. It can be fun to watch sometimes. Do you mean the first dasamsa of 10th house or the second (since second dasamsa is rising in lagna)?Lord of the dasamsa rising in 10th house is under Saturn's aspect
We see thousands of people in a country being in the same profession, thousands of people having similar problems in married life, thousands of people having similar health problems, and so on, then why be surprised at all if 7000 people in a country having 100 crore people have a destiny, which is 80% similar?fluid2finance wrote:now madam can you enlighten me as to how the 7000 people in this case will have 80-90% of their readings given correctly or have the same fate?
