Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi

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rathore wrote: Astroduffer ji, I am glad you took the time to read it, please add any questions whatsoever.
rathoreji ur bphs wrong trans thread is also interesting. Very few take trouble to dig deep. Currently in sootak. Will contribute after a few days.


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Hey Astrosonu, Can't stop laughing while reading your post :lol:

BTW Rathore ji, Amazing material posted by you; kudos to you for your conviction and amazing material posted by you.
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AD ji,

Thanks for your kind wishes and wishing you a peace of mind :-)

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Namaste rathorji

YOUR quote - {A few Vargas will change for sure between twins which gives them different (yet similar) personality & lives. For e.g. Cancer Lagna falling in Pisces Dwadasama is different from Cancer Lagna falling in Aries Dwadasamsa. Consequently other Signs in the Rashi chart will rise in different Dwadasamsas creating separate experiences for the twins. So there is no need of using them as independent charts. Understanding the nature of Signs & their mixing is enough.}

I just want to have correct understanding of rising dwadashansha mode. Do you think this as separate d-12 chart or d-9*d-12 chart which gives finner anshas just as d-60 ? dwadansha is spread in approx. 10 min of arc so for twins its a big time gap.. And if we think of d-9*d-12 division explained in some nadi texts it is some what similar to kp divisions i.e sign/constellation/sign division { and yes, late kpji was a tamil who had access to old tamil nadi granthas.}. So what do you think of rising dwadansha ?
After reading few nadi texts i am quite convinced of your correct understanding of varga concept though we can't rely fully on present bphs text for this.

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Anuradha ji,

It seems you are going in circles. Whatever you are saying is already answered. I will repeat some of them for you & for readers:

Contact the Publisher with the information given & resolve any doubts. The book was written in 1884 & is Sanskrit only. Coming to Planetary aspects I am relying on Ganit Jyotish here & its not up for argument as all Phalit systems Jaimini, Parashari, Nadi etc. rest on Ganit Jyotish. If planetary aspects are defined using longitudes then it is what it is.

You are talking about BPHS references you provided & it was told to NOT rely on Notes provided by the translator after the Translations. This is because the Notes part is translator's opinion on the Translation. So you are not quoting Classical Text there, you are quoting someone's opinion on it. With that I provided BPHS & other Translations where it is clear how Planetary Aspects are defined in Ganit Jyotish. Here they are again:
http://i44.tinypic.com/35l9j0p.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/xasb4l.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2i91hs1.jpg
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For your Mansagari verses I provided ones with different wordings. Even if we ignore that for a bit, just look at the Sanskrit content for the supposed Navamsa progeny verse. Not only it is an out-of-order odd inclusion in the flow of the book but nowhere it says "ansh" or "Navamsa" in the Sanskrit content of the verse itself (and if you look at all other verses about Drekkana, Saptamsa etc the Sanskrit content literally mentions Drekkana or Saptamsa in Sanskrit). In other words its the Hindi Translation that is corrupt here by talking about Navamsa when its not found in the Sanskrit verse. Now going back to the same progeny verse that I posted from another version - it had a slight variation which was the inclusion of combust Mars in it. Can there be combustion in Navamsa? No. This verse you posted also had a basic error about Rahu being in a Kendra while Ketu in 5th house. Is that possible? No. Hence the translation is corrupt even if we ignore the basic rules of Ganit Jyotish. And how the translator translated Panchamasthgrahaphalam to Results of 5th Bhava in Navamsa kundli is out of my understanding.

Aspects are based on longitudes, so you are most likely reading Saravali wrong (with Varga as a chart presupposition).
We talked about Hora Ratnam reference too & I indicated if you can make sense out of the translation, then write about it here. The translation is senseless & cannot be applied to read a chart. My writing is just trying to make sense out of it. Refer to the earlier post for detail.

General Aspect is a layman's way of talking about aspects (as is told in the screenshot links earlier in this post). So Sphuta is the calcuation of its value which is what will have an impact on the real life result. So if we assume Aspects in Vargas, what does it even mean to have an Aspect without an Aspectual value (as there are no longitudes there so Sphuta is non existent)? What impact in real life can it cause with no value? And if we say that in Vargas the General Aspect is 100% from one Sign to another then it follows that in Rashi chart planets have 100% General Aspect as well as a separate value of Sphuta Aspect? What does that even mean? Several such inconsistencies arise from absurd assumptions of reading Vargas as separate charts.

Thanks for the kind words Astroduffer & Iluvmyindia ji. The primary message of this thread is to study at least a few texts cover to cover for yourself. Don't believe anyone but don't doubt them either, see it for yourself. The serious ones will do that & whatever they conclude then is fine. Chances are they will make the correct inference.

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Namaste Satish ji,

By Dwadasamsa I mean D-12 which is not a separate "chart". In the example given, Lagna (rising degree) is traversing Cancer Sign & Aries OR Pisces Dwadasmsa, which translates to:

Lagna in Cancer Sign = somewhere within 30 degrees of Cancer
Lagna in Cancer Sign & Pisces Dwadasamsa = somewhere between 20 deg 00 min to 22 deg 30 min of Cancer
Lagna in Cancer Sign & Aries Dwadasamsa = somewhere between 22 deg 30 min to 25 deg 00 min of Cancer


10 mins is quite a difference for twins but generally speaking births happens as follow:
First child 21 degree 50 minutes (Cancer - Pisces), next child at 22 degree 50 minutes (Cancer - Aries). So the time difference is just 5 minutes but the Lagna degree has traversed enough to get into the next Dwadasamsa (Aries). The conclusion being that at least a few Vargas will be different between twins. So if Jupiter is weak when the twins were born while Mars is strong then one born with Aries Dwadasamsa will have a different experience in that area of life (Dwadasmsa) vs. his twin who is born with Pisces Dwadasamsa. It is one of the important factor to weigh in with Varga analysis.

Also the Sookshma & Prana dashas will vary always for twins born apart making their daily experience different at those levels. Just a 5 minute of time difference means about 2 weeks of difference when each enters a MD, AD, PD. This means planets such as Moon (and even Mercury, Venus or Sun in many cases) would have moved to a different Sign, Nakshatra for the other twin's Dasha beginning. Hence there experience cannot be the same. Varahamihir loosely talks about what happens when Moon is in a certain sign at the start of a Mahadasha. This applies to other planets too.

You are right, a good reading of Nadi Texts, which happen to be exhaustative implies there is no independent charts such as Navamsa "chart" etc. If there were, then its a pretty good chance to have come across Varga being used as a chart in Nadi texts. One can find verses talking about some Rashi chart nth house lord in Bhagyaansh (9th Navamsa), Nidhan Trimsamsa (8th Trimsamsa) meaning X or Y results but NOT about Navamsa "chart" 10th lord in some 8th house in Navamsa "chart" meaning X result. Simply because there is no independent existence of Vargas to be read like Rashi.

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Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi
Unread postby rathore » 25 Apr 2014, 23:59

Anuradha ji,

It seems you are going in circles. Whatever you are saying is already answered. I will repeat some of them for you & for readers:

Contact the Publisher with the information given & resolve any doubts. The book was written in 1884 & is Sanskrit only. Coming to Planetary aspects I am relying on Ganit Jyotish here & its not up for argument as all Phalit systems Jaimini, Parashari, Nadi etc. rest on Ganit Jyotish. If planetary aspects are defined using longitudes then it is what it is.

You are talking about BPHS references you provided & it was told to NOT rely on Notes provided by the translator after the Translations. This is because the Notes part is translator's opinion on the Translation. So you are not quoting Classical Text there, you are quoting someone's opinion on it. With that I provided BPHS & other Translations where it is clear how Planetary Aspects are defined in Ganit Jyotish. Here they are again:
So you do not have the first page of the book[Mansagri] , which have the name of the author and publisher. I have three different translation of Mansagri ,all are saying the same thing. The photographs from two different translations are already given. Please do not mislead the forum, the proofs I have given in the form of photographs are the translation not the notes of B.P.H. I have never assumed anything thing I am just following what is written in the C.T .regards
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You are talking about BPHS references you provided & it was told to NOT rely on Notes provided by the translator after the Translations. This is because the Notes part is translator's opinion on the Translation. So you are not quoting Classical Text there, you are quoting someone's opinion on it. With that I provided BPHS & other Translations where it is clear how Planetary Aspects are defined in Ganit Jyotish. Here they are again:
http://i44.tinypic.com/35l9j0p.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/xasb4l.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2i91hs1.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/14d1077.jpg
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Rahoreji, Whatever you have provided is a translation of B.P.H.S, and the whatever i HAVE given as proof is the ''opinion''? I am unable to understand your logic. I have six different translation of B.P.H.S all are saying the same thing i.e Sputha Drishi is different than the general driththi[aspect]. regards
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What an effort Rathore sir!
Thanks a ton for this thread.

If what is defined by longitudes is not for the vargas, what are your thoughts on exaltation/debilitation in the vargas?
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Theme to be noticed with proponents: Beating around the bush with creation of own ideas and building subsequent concepts on top of that. E.g. Navamsa manglik. One can then be a Dasamsa manglik, Drekkana manglik etc. etc. One can have Kemdrum in Navamsa - whatever that means e.g. you feel lonely in marriage because you have Kemdrum in Navamsa :mrgreen: . Starts to sound absurd...
One subsequent band-aid rule created with independent Navamsa in mind is: if results are not indicated in Rashi but indicated in Navamsa then it will not happen. Well one has to come up with that otherwise it becomes hard to explain Navamsa's independent existence. Although many times folks will be ignoring this (made up) rule and declare - you got a divorce because you were manglik in Navamsa or whatever.
:mrgreen: :lol:
Now coming to Esoteric subjects such as Astrology, there is no empirical proof (unlike Engineering/Medical) so you and I cannot prove Saturn's 3rd aspect or disprove (if its claimed) that it now has 4th aspect. This is why (I think you are getting the point so far), we have to rely on the Sages/Texts and take their word for it. Yes experience is experience but denying/changing the basic rules told by Sages in the Texts (in context of Esoteric subjects) is a recipe for disaster. One can empirically prove if nothing can/cannot travel faster than the speed of Light but can any one of us (empirically) prove that Mars is cruel? No we cannot! So do we really have a choice to discard words of the Sages or we just have to take their word for it?
Excellent !!! I have read texts on internet by so called famous astrologers on their websites claiming that Sri Parasara was not fully aware of things and now it is kaliyuga so his rules do not apply. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: .. Basically the ant is now aiming of the elephants shoes. :wink: It's just latent hate towards sages in order to make mullah and pronounce the self claimed status of being the best.
Any Varga above Trimsamsa becomes highly Aynamsa (and other factors) specific and there is every chance the planets are placed in incorrect signs there. More so when moving to very minute 60th Division but most likely (as indicated earlier), the relative positions stay the same, hence it has some success to it i.e. establishing a conducive or otherwise or neutral relationship in the real zodiac. This goes back to the same point earlier, do research just not at the cost of bending basic technical rules.
Exactly !!!
Its a given at this point that the listener knows what an Aspect is, so the Sage doesn't need to say - O Mr. Brahmin, understand that this Aspect is in Rashi chart and not some absurd Navamsa "chart" because you bunked the "technical" class the other day. You didn't do your home work either go become a murga near that banyan tree.
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Lomesh Samhita is the most ancient and a very good source to understand jyotish but, unfortunately not much literature is available. Someone here asked about how to distinguish results of twins. Well, The case study of twins is also there in lomesh samhita but concluding evidences are not available in translations as yet, afaik.
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For the benefit of all the members I am giving the same reference from the three different translations of Mansagri to avoid any confusion regarding the aspect in divisional chart. All are confirming regarding the aspect in Navmansha. I have given the name of author and the publisher of different translation of Mansagri. regards
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Comment: Divided in 6 parts below for clear understanding:

3a. The Navamsa phalam(result) is already ended on the previous page. Why to start another Navamsa phalam?

3b. Except the Hindi translation there is no reference to Navamsa or Amsa in the Sanskrit Verse itself.

3c. I earlier posted the same verse with COMBUST Mars i.e. the Verse reference provided differs in different Mansagari versions even at the Sanskrit level! This raises a red flag. In any case Combustion happens only in Rashi.

3d. Also note the translator has not translated the Garbha sthan. He put it as-is in Hindi i.e. this translation is questionable.

3e. Your version of Mansagari says Iti Panchamsthane Navamsa kundalaye graha phala while another version doesn't. It just says Panchamsthgrahaphalam.

3f. There never are Verses that declare specific quantified results (such as 3 kids or getting married at 29 years of age) based on planetary positions in a Varga only. They always take Rashi chart into account first and then talk about the related Varga. This whole verse is breaking that basic rule! How can a result be told just based on a Navamsa position when by ignoring the Rashi chart altogether?

All of the above indicates this is a corrupt heading/translation and if nothing else just the last point 3f is enough to conclude the same. It is only talking about the Rashi chart is the only conclusion one can make thus.

This is why it is needed to get good with the Technical part first before jumping to Phalit otherwise such odd and inconsistent (3f) things happen. This is a classical misstep.

Continued..
Rahoreji, To avoid any confusion kindly see the above references from three different translation of same text of Mansagri. All cannot be wrong intrpration of the classical text. regards
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Let Jupiter be at 29 deg in Aries, and any other planet, say Moon at 11 deg in Taurus. Does Jupiter aspect Moon?
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Dear ChandraLagna....

as per my u'standing... (which can be wrong also)
Jupiter cant aspect moon its the faster moving planets which aspect the other ones....
here u said juptr in 29Deg of Aries..... and Moon 11Deg Taurus.... which is actually more than 10Deg difference between both the planet.... so here no aspect is happening....
when moon was in 7Deg of Tauraus at that time moon was in conjuction with Juptr but separating aspect not applying.
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Felix ji,

From what I remember, BPHS doesn't even consider a planet's Exaltation in Rashi chart in Vimsopaka bala calculation, let alone in Divisions. While for Vaiseshikamsa there is difference of opinion in whether to take exaltation in divisions or only own sign. In any case exaltation/debilitation in Vargas is not real exaltation/debilitation. However being in exaltation amsas gives more dignity to a planet. I say this because verses can be found talking about planet being in its exaltation navamsa bestowing good results. But please note, it will not say that it is Exalted in Navamsa, it would say it is in its Exaltation Navamsa.

Astroduffer ji Namaste :)

I am myself laughing on what you quoted & am glad you also laughed. Soon they will discover Pluto Uranus paap kartari or Neptune cancelling Kemdrum & then argue about its inner workings. We don't even understand several things given by Parashar, Garga etc. but we are ready to discard them fast because it doesn't work (in our stupid opinion) ...just like Pluto-Uranus paap kartari works (in our stupid opinion again).

I wrote about Twins on this page only. Even a 5 minute difference causes 2 weeks of difference in dasha which means fast moving planets would have changed nakshatras, signs, amsas by the time the other Twin starts the same Dasha. So their Dasha chart will be different to begin with ... how can they have the same experience then? At most it can be similar. And if we consider Prana, sookshma, deha levels of Dasha then day to day experience differs.

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Anuradha ji,

Its indicated thrice that I have given what I have for the 1884 Sanskrit Mansagari. In any case, it looks like you are mixing NOTES by a Translator on a Translation with the Translation itself. They are two separate things because the NOTES are either the Translator's own opinion on the Verse or its an example. If you want to discuss then talk about the inconsistencies of using Vargas as charts that have been put forward in the last post. I can add many other inconsistencies that debunk the subject when using Vargas as charts if you like. All these inconsistencies disappear when Vargas are used for what they are.

Read Ganit Jyotish end to end with a logical/neutral mind, the proof is in front of you. If you want to dismiss it (or there is some genuine doubt or just not able to understand it) that is fine. Many members here understand it, while others are getting it by reading it for themselves.

Sphuta means Correct and Sphuta drishti is corrected drishti. Hence it is the measurement of the Drishti (done from degree to degree) which in a layman manner is told from Sign to Sign. It is same as you are looking at this screen right now (i.e. aspecting it). The focus of your drishti is on these words that I am typing & all other text before or after this line is becoming gradually dimmer the further it is from the pointed focus of your eyes. Now in a layman's way you are aspecting the whole screen but in a Sphuta way you are looking at a certain portion of the screen with more focus than others portions. So Sphuta is measuring your drishti (to this screen) quantitatively. In other words - generally you are looking at the whole screen right now but precisely there is a calculation of which portion is receiving more of your drishti value points than other portions. This is why Yogas that are closer by longitudinal aspect are more potent than otherwise. Example Moon at 1 degree in 4th house while Mars at 29 degree in 10th house is a weak Chandra Mangal Yoga by aspect.

In BPHS, Parashar says he talked about Rashi Drishti earlier & now he will talk about another Drishti that is based on the Planet's nature. Then the Sage talks about Drishti being used in a layman's term by saying all planets aspect 7th & some have special aspects (this you have somehow taken to be a separate type of drishti). After that the Sage says that this Drishti is calculated precisely too, which is Sphuta. So the BPHS translations that you mention are saying what is told in this paragraph. Please read it with a neutral mind. Its really this simple.

Thanks for posting these screenshots again for the readers. These were discussed in detail within this thread but here is the underlying theme:

1. Barring the Hindi Translation, the Navamsa verses don't mention the words amsa or Navamsa in their Sanskrit content. At one place it says some preceptors look at Moon's Navamsa to make this judgement. And that is just the Navamsa that Moon has occupied. How the Translator takes the whole verse to be completely about Navamsa only he knows.

2. But lets ignore #1 for a bit & assume its talking about Navamsa "chart". Now look at the second highlighted verse in your screenshot http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img842/1369/g6bt.jpg with Mangal. It says Mangal should be Dagdhe (Combust). Can a planet be Combust in Navamsa? No. Now compare the same verse in your second screenshot https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/308x4 ... 6/2uay.jpg & notice the difference of Dagdhe vs. Bhrityo. Your contradicting screenshots should make it clear that the verse is only talking about Rashi Chart or at the least the verse is corrupt. Even your third screenshot http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img834/885/nwur.png says Dagdhe.

I posted this same verse earlier for comparison please see here http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2gyby0x ... 1_tkvldW5Q . Notice the difference is not just Dagdhe here but others too (compared to your screenshots). Now since the Sanskrit verse nowhere says Amsa or Navamsa & talks about combustion, there is no doubt that its talking about Rashi chart. On the other hand look at the verses for Dwadasamsa, Drekkana etc. their Sanskrit content clearly mention that they are talking about dwadasamsa, drekkana etc.

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3. Also note in http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img842/1369/g6bt.jpg the first highlighted verse talks about Ketu in 5th & Rahu in Kendra. Clearly corrupt. Its repeated here http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img834/885/nwur.png & here https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/308x4 ... 6/2uay.jpg. These three are translations you provided. And like indicated earlier in Sanskrit it doesn't say its talking about Navamsa. Its just the Hindi Translation that says that somehow.

Chandralagna ji, Namaste :-)

Like Scorpqueen says, Jupiter doesn't aspect Moon in this case. Its a nice Anapha yoga though which is a special property of the luminaries when non-luminaries physical planets are Astronomically next to them. While at it, this is another point to note that if Yogas were to exist in Vargas then Kemdrum, Sunapha, Anapha yogas would occur too & so would eclipses (Grahan yoga). What does it even mean to have an Anapha yoga or Grahan yoga in navamsa? This way one might as well start combustion in Navamsa. Simply mindless.

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I have also presented photo proofs of Mansagari where the same Shloka you present differs at the Sanskrit level (and is clearly talking about Rashi chart) & should you want I can add another Mansagari photo proof which is different word-to-word at the Sanskrit level for the same heading you presented. So lets not get into something for which questionable versions at the Sanskrit level are floating around.
Re: Vargas are NOT to be read as Rashi
Postby rathore » 30 Apr 2014, 00:00

Anuradha ji,

Its indicated thrice that I have given what I have for the 1884 Sanskrit Mansagari. In any case, it looks like you are mixing NOTES by a Translator on a Translation with the Translation itself. They are two separate things because the NOTES are either the Translator's own opinion on the Verse or its an example. If you want to discuss then talk about the inconsistencies of using Vargas as charts that have been put forward in the last post. I can add many other inconsistencies that debunk the subject when using Vargas as charts if you like. All these inconsistencies disappear when Vargas are used for what they are.
Rahoreji, So you accept you do not have the first page which have the name and author of the Mansagri. And you are relying so much on it. I have given three translation of Mansagri [with author and publisher for the authenticity] and all are saying the same thing. Kindly do not distort the fact by your own interpretation. Readers of the forum can judge it by going through the proof given by me . regards.
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Postby ChandraLagna » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:04 pm

Let Jupiter be at 29 deg in Aries, and any other planet, say Moon at 11 deg in Taurus. Does Jupiter aspect Moon?

Namaste Rathoreji.

Yes, Scorpqueen and you are right. Jupiter does not aspect Moon when moon is at 11 deg in Taurus and Jupiter is in 29 deg in Aries.

There is one zodiac, one Jupiter and one Moon. Yet, what does not happen when seen as described above in space [or Rasi] starts to happen in Navamsa because Jupiter gets placed in Sagi Navamsa and Moon in Aries navamsa, so now in Navamsa "chart", Jupiter aspects Moon via 5th drishti. How can jupiter aspect something which is 12 deg away??

If this aspect of 12 deg in rasi cannot happen, then Jupiter cannot aspect Moon in Navamsa "chart". Simple.
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CL ji - Simple and mathematical :)

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Now I am giving the reference from the book written by the daughter[ Smt. Gaytri Devi Vasudev] of Sh B.V Raman, one of the greatest astrologer of India. She also takes the aspect in Navmansha Chart. The another great astrologer Sh K.N Raoji also takes the aspect in divisional chart. All the reference[Photo proofs] given by me [ B.P.H.S both in English and Hindi, Hora Ratanam, Mansagri, three translations] misinterpreted by either finding the fault in translation or some words here and there. The three different translations are saying the same thing but still he is not accepting the truth in spite of the clear and authentic translation by the esteemed astrologers. I follow the same since I consider them as genius astrologers. I have given the refence with the name of the author and publisher so that one can check the authenticity of reference . regards
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Anuradha ji,

It doesn't look like you are reading your own screenshots. The verses differ from themselves & clearly imply that it is a Rashi chart being talked about. So whether you believe my screenshot or not it doesn't matter, just look at yours. However, should you wish to not that's OK too. Many readers here are understanding, so you are right, they can judge by the screenshots given by yourself.

Let us not get into what Raman & descendents have to say. Not only because I can cite someone else who say something else but then we also have to deal with Raman's Ayanamsa vs. Lahiri endored by Rao. Hence it is READ THE GANIT TEXTS FOR YOURSELF exercise.

CL ji its funny the way you put it. Because now an Anapha Yoga in Rashi will magically transform into Sunapha with the same Jupiter in some D 'chart', then Gaj kesari in another & Sakata yoga in yet another & Kemdrum in some other. ha ha ha :mrgreen:

I am the anchor (Lagna) of this thread & now SuryaLagna and ChandraLagna have confirmed the same. How nice :D

Rathore
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Do not do primitive astrology. Use vargas and employ aspects to see the strength and weakness of a horoscope.

Venus exalted both in the navamsha and dashamansha gave it prominence after the demolition of the Babri Masjid and gave it a chance to form a coalition government which did rather well considering its twenty two party jamboree. Atal Behari Vajpayee’s charisma and liberalism kept it united till Jayalalitha stabbed it once without causing its downfall as it returned to power after elections.
Briefly note in the navamsha, the tenth lord in the eighth house aspected by the eighth lord who also aspects the tenth house.
In the dashamansha the third lord in the tenth house and the tenth lord in the third house aspected by Mars from the eighth house. This party will have to work harder, forgetting its own internal bickering’s, to come into power in future.
http://www.journalofastrology.com/artic ... cle_id=410
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I am myself laughing on what you quoted & am glad you also laughed. Soon they will discover Pluto Uranus paap kartari or Neptune cancelling Kemdrum & then argue about its inner workings. We don't even understand several things given by Parashar, Garga etc. but we are ready to discard them fast because it doesn't work (in our stupid opinion) ...just like Pluto-Uranus paap kartari works (in our stupid opinion again).

I wrote about Twins on this page only. Even a 5 minute difference causes 2 weeks of difference in dasha which means fast moving planets would have changed nakshatras, signs, amsas by the time the other Twin starts the same Dasha. So their Dasha chart will be different to begin with ... how can they have the same experience then? At most it can be similar. And if we consider Prana, sookshma, deha levels of Dasha then day to day experience differs.

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Rathoreji pranams,

5 mins is huge time difference for divisional charts to differ. Lomesh samhita has an incident of twins having exactly similar charts in all aspects and yet the twins were contradictory to each other in physical features, character, knowledge etc. Yet the best of sages could not answer the questions of the father of twins, as to how the two are differing. And here we have EXPERTS who can derive the election results and candidate future prospects, without even authentic dob TOB :mrgreen: :mrgreen: and claim that all should learn from the their example too apparently sighting that as an extra ordinary achievement. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ...

Duffer ( as always true to my name ) :D
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Astroduffer sir

I agree authentic TOB POB DOB essential, otherwise issues of Lagna like Vrischika or Virgo or Libra or Saggi will have glitch during analysis with Parashara techniques. Numerous texts will be quoted through journals. In medical journals it will be vitro vivo and numerous live in and post marketing trials are done to establish diseases and clinical treatment protocols. If treatment is harmful to human beings medicines are with drawn.
Whereas, astro journals do not have that kind of practice.
In Kaliyug Lord Shiva's curse is no two astrologers will agree to one's predictions but in medicine doctors will support each other.

I guess you had sent a P.M, unfortunately I dont intend to subscribe PM. You may send me a email.
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