Debilitated moon

[SuryaLagna]

I am Moola Nk born with moon and ketu in the 5th and moon exalted in the navamsa. Leo Lagna in rashi and navamsa.
I neither have any self destructive thoughts nor find any other negative aspect associated with moola.
Moola has made me very well determined in all walks of life. I am thought of as cruel but im quite emotional.
The only thing i can think of is that i have mood swings sometimes. I also have a very sharp memory, if thats associated with moon.

[Astro_girl]

Aquarius Lagna - Both in Lagna and Navamsa
Moon in Scorpio - Both in Lagna (Anu-4) + Mercury and Navamsa (Visa -4)
does vargottama cancel debilitation? also since lord of 6th occupies 10th in both cases will my career be flooded with enemies and uncertainties?

Regards

[VioletTwilight]

I am Moola Nk born with moon and ketu in the 5th and moon exalted in the navamsa. Leo Lagna in rashi and navamsa.
I neither have any self destructive thoughts nor find any other negative aspect associated with moola.
Moola has made me very well determined in all walks of life. I am thought of as cruel but im quite emotional.
The only thing i can think of is that i have mood swings sometimes. I also have a very sharp memory, if thats associated with moon.

Dear SuryaLagna,

If you don't mind, where is your Sun?

Strong Sun with Moola Moon can make one very one-track mind. I know a native with exalted Sun with Moola Moon. Nobody can tell him anything to do and he is known to be the most stubborn child in a family of 9 children and broke every toy he ever had. He does everything his own way and he is quite successful in what he does due to his confidence and single-minded dedication.

So, I am wondering if the characteristics you noted are coming from your strong Sun, who is also LL of Rasi and Navamsa. Jupiter in Lagna can also provide strong memory.

Best regards,
Violet

[SuryaLagna]

Dear Violet,

My sun is in the 2nd house with saturn and retro mercury and it in the 1st bhava with venus and my jupiter is in libra. In navamsha sun is with jupiter in pisces amsa. I am introvert by nature, dont generally like too many ppl around me but dont either like to stay totally alone. I need few personal relations of mine near me all this time. Mars forming a ruchaka makes me prone to anger though i dont find excuses fight. I am quite calm in professional life as compared to personal life, and in the latter i am too much demanding and commanding.

I do have wavering mind sometimes, but it is for a very short period of time when i get confused with too many options. In the long run, im quite clear as to what i want and which way to go


Regards
SL

[VioletTwilight]

Dear SuryaLagna,

Thanks for your response. One thing that comes to my mind after seeing the description of your grahas is, all your grahas on one side of the chart. Other than Rahu, I don't think there are any grahas on bright-half. It is almost like a graha-malika if not for an empty Cancer rasi.

All I can think of is how your mother managed you as an youngster. Very active and brilliant at home with awesome temper or "moods". For outsiders though, charming child (especially during long Venus dasa).
Moon+Ketu often gives a result that native is detached but I found that native's mother can be emotionally detached about the native. It is as if she loves another child more. Did you feel that way about relationship with your mother?

Your Mars is making Ruchaka Yoga in 4th house. May be that is why your Mars related aggressiveness could be more on display at home rather than at work.

Thanks again for sharing your chart.
Best regards,
Violet

[SuryaLagna]

Dear Violet,

True i have all the planets in leo to saggi. I was a difficult child to handle since childhood as i was adamant about almost everything. Being born in the Ketu MD, i dont remember much about it, but i guess it was fine, nothing severe. I had my first tonsilitis problem in ketu MD and due to that i used to get really irritated and as a child i used to cry a lot. My mother was a working lady so i was brought by my grandparents and im more attached to them than my parents.

Then came the Venus MD, which had the great school days and everything at school was so happy happy that i didnt want to come home at all Being adamant is one aspect of my personality that was there since childhood. I used to get so angry when someone used to ask me anything, even the teachers at school, but didnt take out the anger quite often on others by means of shouting etc. I just remember 2-3 episodes when i slapped my best friend when she didnt listen to me. That was when i was in 9th standard. I also remember as a child i was so shy in speaking in front of outsiders, forget about public speaking. In school during reading classes when we used to read aloud i never got a chance to read as i wasnt audible to the backbenchers.

Then came the mighty Sun MD, which changed my entire life. This is the time when i completed my education. Started expressing my anger on others instead of keeping it to myself, even started shouting, for which i am famous now at home, in the colony and in office too But a positive point i note is that once that fit of rage is over, i take no time to get back to normal, just that i need to take it out and, if i dont, i keep on thinking about it and that troubles me. Confidence and communication skills increased manifolds. Now i have to be requested in office, by my senior officers to be soft as my normal range of voice reaches the other end of the premises.

Currently, Im into Moon MD (for a year now). Anger has reached the next level, where i find that when in sun MD i used to let go of few things, in the current dasha i dont and now i go after the things myself Moon + ketu does give a feeling to others that im detached but actually i am quite emotional may be due to the fact that moon is exalted in the navamsha. Emotionality has increased in the moon MD for sure.

Due to all planets on one side, i have this KSY too, dont know to what extent as moon is with ketu

Regards
SL

[VioletTwilight]

Dear SuryaLagna,

Thanks very much for sharing your experience. I am guessing that Mars being in jala rasi that even though you had temper it was bottled up in Venus dasa.

Also, I thought you might have public speech problems since Saturn is in second house conjunct Sun and Mercury. Saturn influence on Mercury always brings out this problem. However, it is usually overcome with age (Saturn would delay but not deny). And once it gets going, Mercury is exalted and in nipuna yoga.

My opinion is that Moon dasa could be either difficult due to it being 12th lord and bringing expenditure or hidden enemies, or it could turn you to be spiritual and have transformative experiences due to 12th lord conjunct ketu. Both can also happen according to the antar-dasas.

I wonder if Saturn + Rahu transit over your natal Jupiter is what caused you to be impatient with even minor errors. This might subside once Saturn moves over to Scorpio. However, it is whole another game with Saturn transiting over your natal Mars in 12th from Moon during Moon dasa. The situation may come up that you are exploding with anger but there isn't much you can do about it or there could be problems with place of residence. Good thing that you already had a Saturn return and I guess, can find a way to handle it in a positive manner.

Best of luck,
Violet

[SuryaLagna]

Hi Violet,

Thanks for the interpretation. I am more concerned abt how these transits are going to affect my personal life. Moon MD has not been pleasant so far in terms of personal life. I am running mars AD now, but no signs of improvement. I would say, I was the best in Sun AD.

With saturn moving to scorpio, i will be entering into sadhe satti, altogether a new experience for me. I last had it when i was 2 yrs old.

Btw, whats Saturn Return?

Regards
SL

[VioletTwilight]

Dear SuryaLagna,

Saturn return is the completion of Saturn's transit over all rasis. You were born with Saturn in Virgo and now Saturn is in Libra. So, Saturn must have transited over Virgo at least once after you are born.
I have heard that Saturn return makes a person 'grown-up' and brings maturity.

I find your signature line to be very amusing since it is classic Sun. Sun either have admirers, competitors or enemies. No friends.
Interestingly, Mars could be just as competitive but Mars allows for friends and 'brotherly bond'.

Best regards,
Violet

[SuryaLagna]

Dear Violet,

I experienced this saturn return in 2010-2011. Nothing much happened at the personal level but professionally i got settled in this period. Although i didnt get what i wanted professionally, I am at quite a better place at compared to others. However, since i am too choosy and fussy about what i want, i wont be happy unless i get what i want. I guess this is due to sun and saturn combo.

I am quite a family oriented person and prefer spending time with family whenever possible, although i boss around at home majority of time. I have few close friends and dont generally mingle with people without any personal or professional business. Saturn has brought some level of maturity in me at the professional level, and at the personal front, according to my near ones, i still have to witness it.

True, I have admirers, competitors and enemies and less number of friends, which is pure sun. I am generally shy to open up with, but once i get close, the person comes to know the 'real me'. I guess this is moon + ketu. I can get upset with things really quick and then also recover in no time. This is the general mood swings that happen, but this doesnt last long. The next day when i get up in the morning, im back to normal.

I am more of an autocratic person at home as compared to what i am professionally where im much more relaxed. This is mars.

Saturn and mercury together do some mischief once in a while, but then sun is no less stronger. Lagna vargottam and sun in its own nk, so saturn has to ultimately listen to his daddy

Regards
SL

[2002diksha]

violet ji,
Even my saturn dasha is on. I fully agree with you that saturn brings a element of maturity in individuals. it brings calmnes and make a makes less impulsive and more thought oriented. some events like change of house or change of ones profession or a sudden interest in landed property is also witnessed.
I would like to ask you one thing do remedies work have any remedy worked for you. also having a MP yoga is anyway different. what difference does it bring to a person if he has MP yoga in his chart.
Reagrds

[VioletTwilight]

Dear SuryaLagna,

Saturn return is not something that does anything important. It is simply age and how we change slowly as we age. We take more responsibility of our actions as we mature and Saturn's job is make us more responsible towards managing our Karma and not behave as children throwing tantrums. (If you think about it, all our wishes are simply tantrums. Aren't we getting exactly from the world what we deserved due to our own karma? It is our reaction that is important since that is where we are creating new karma and displaying free will. No?)

Anyhow, leaving aside the deep philosophy, I do think Moon+Ketu brings a little introversion and not caring too much for being nice to prevent hurt feelings. (Ketu is all about stripping social functioning of a graha. Moon is all about social functioning and any person with prominent Moon wants others to think good about them. Moon+Ketu makes that Ketu will make Moon forget about "what will others think say" (social aspect of graha) and instead focus on "what do I feel? what are they feeling?" (pure essence of graha). They can be highly perceptive and "know" what other person is feeling. This is unnerving to others on several levels).

On top of that, most Sun prominent persons appear "unapproachable" to others. They are too confident and essential part of making friends is about treating others as equals. Strong Sun natives have this "problem" of thinking most people as lesser beings than them. (e.g., not enough motivated, not enough self-esteem, gets ahead "playing nice" etc). For the record, I don't think it is really problem, but it is the view point they approach in interpersonal relationships with undefined hierarchy.

Anyway, I really don't know if that is helpful or even least bit useful to you. But, I think it is interesting to study archetypes although no person is a completely defined by one graha, even if it is the strongest graha in the chart. Everybody is influenced by every graha in their chart over their lifetime.

Practical bit of advice, be sure to live in a home with your own room that nobody comes in. Even separate suite. I find that Mars in 4th house needs 'little' bit of room to avoid getting on others' nerves. This is not from any jyotish insight but simply living a long time with 3 other close family members with Mars in 4th house. (One had that in Aquarius, another in Scorpio - this one is also Simha Lagna with Venus in lagna, another had Mars in Pisces).

All the best,
Violet

[VioletTwilight]

violet ji,
Even my saturn dasha is on. I fully agree with you that saturn brings a element of maturity in individuals. it brings calmnes and make a makes less impulsive and more thought oriented. some events like change of house or change of ones profession or a sudden interest in landed property is also witnessed.
I would like to ask you one thing do remedies work have any remedy worked for you. also having a MP yoga is anyway different. what difference does it bring to a person if he has MP yoga in his chart.
Reagrds

Dear 2002diksha,

I don't know anything about remedies. Once upon a time I was given remedies. I tried for about 2-3 months may be. My heart never got in to it. (doing mantras etc).

What worked for me is praying similar to being in meditation. My ista devata is Lord Ganesha. Nobody thinks of that while looking at my chart so far. Anyhow, I pray to him for mental stability and groundedness. I stumbled upon Narada Ganesh strotham a few years ago. It is my "go-to" remedy for any difficulty I feel. It makes me feel safe.

I am also partial to Lord Shiva. However, I am not regular or disciplined about praying. I was unusually attracted to Shiva tandava sthrotram for awhile and used to recite it every morning after bath. Then glass objects began break all around me after couple of months. So, I stopped doing that. It is simply too much energy, I think. When I want to prepare for something intense, I do recite shadakshari. I don't know if it is good or bad. Just gives me energy.

I tend to advise people to pray to whomever calls their heart. When we fall in love, do we ask anybody for signs of the kind of person we will love? We don't ask directions about which child we find cute and want to hold and hug. I feel that way about praying and remedies. We have to find what works, within our heart.

Obviously, there are tantras and high energy rituals that may get ordinary people in trouble. But, going to a place of worship and feeling the peace and calm is the best remedy, IMHO.

There are a lot of extreme difficulties in this world and just wandering over the bottom of forum makes one grateful about health, money and relationship problems that one doesn't have. Sometimes helpful remedies may work when provided by experts and learned members. But, for me personally, I think having a strong mind and strong heart are important to make a person ready to face the karma handed to them in this life. So, I tend to look into things that would give mental and spiritual strength to a person and not necessarily remove the external difficulties they are facing.

Hope this answers about what you ask. Apologies if I said things which aren't related to your question.
Best,
Violet

[2002diksha]

violetji,
I like reading you thoughts on doing remedies.I believe in Gayatri mantra.Everyone has some specific puja depending on what tradition they follow.
You had mentioned in this forum that you have hamsa yoga. how does that help you. doe it bring nay major difference. also does it makes you any fortunate from rest. How about malavya yoga. what specifically does it indicate.what qualities or events will take take in one has malvaya yoga in his/her chart.
Regards

[VioletTwilight]

There are great discussions on Mahapurusha Yoga on this forum. Under 'Yogas' section there is a thread going on what is and isn't a Mahapurusha Yoga.

If you simply want to know my experience, I have two MP Yogas in my chart. Some say only one is functional in one life. Anyhow, I didn't go through mahadasa of either of them. I am not quite sure if they are functioning at all, although both grahas involved seem to be equally strong. They clearly had their influence on the respective houses they are in.
If there are any other nuances in MP yogas, unfortunately, I don't know them and I don't find them in myself.

Hope this helps.

[VioletTwilight]

violetji,
I like reading you thoughts on doing remedies.I believe in Gayatri mantra.Everyone has some specific puja depending on what tradition they follow.
You had mentioned in this forum that you have hamsa yoga. how does that help you. doe it bring nay major difference. also does it makes you any fortunate from rest. How about malavya yoga. what specifically does it indicate.what qualities or events will take take in one has malvaya yoga in his/her chart.
Regards

I consider Jupiter gave me,
Strong memory
Taller than average height
"Jovial" personality (people think I am laughing all the time - even when I am really depressed! )
Good education
Love of water - swimming or just going to large water bodies
Love of milk - Stopping to eat milk products for 2 months is the most disciplined/difficult thing I ever did
Sweet tooth
Doing things "easy" way instead of practicing hard

It is debatable what one would think "lucky" or "unlucky", I still consider myself luckier than most people in the world.

But most Jupiter antardasas have been horrible as far as I can think, with respect to money and mental peace. I am out of job, lot of free time and I would just read, read, read. So, may be they are good for knowledge.

[2002diksha]

but I think what you have got ,as a result to two MP yogas is that you have all round happiness.to lead a tension free life is in itself a miracle in todays life.to have it all in life is , what the gift of two MP yoags is in your life.
Sorry if I ma wrong.
Regards

[VioletTwilight]

but I think what you have got ,as a result to two MP yogas is that you have all round happiness.to lead a tension free life is in itself a miracle in todays life.to have it all in life is , what the gift of two MP yoags is in your life.
Sorry if I ma wrong.
Regards

Dear 2002diksha,

There is no such thing as all round happiness. Please see my very first post on this forum in Career section. All happiness is from Moon and 4th house. All achievement is from kendras. I am moderately "high-achiever" compared to my siblings. That's all I can claim for a good Jupiter and good Mars. Sun and Moon are more important for well rounded life (resources and social approval).

Last year this time, it took all my energy to not give up on this life and keep it sane and stable for my child. In 6 days I start a new job but in 3 days I have a most important meeting to face on behalf of my son. I am more worried, focusing and preparing mentally for that meeting than feeling any joy over starting such a long awaited job.

See, I told you people think I am happy even when I don't think I am.
But, such is life. There is no person without some difficulty or tension. The only feeling that matters is whether they think they can handle it or not.

Best,
Violet

[2002diksha]

I completely agree with you.

[SuryaLagna]

Dear Violet,

Thanks for the wonderful interpretation.

My room is the most unapproachable place in the entire house. No one even at home is allowed to enter it in my absence. It is only entered into by the maid for clearning purposes. The moment i step out of the house, my room is locked and opens only when i m back

Even when i m in conversation with anyone at home, it has to be outside my room, in the sitting room or at some other place, but never in my room.

Keep Writing

Regards
SL

Dear SuryaLagna,

Saturn return is not something that does anything important. It is simply age and how we change slowly as we age. We take more responsibility of our actions as we mature and Saturn's job is make us more responsible towards managing our Karma and not behave as children throwing tantrums. (If you think about it, all our wishes are simply tantrums. Aren't we getting exactly from the world what we deserved due to our own karma? It is our reaction that is important since that is where we are creating new karma and displaying free will. No?)

Anyhow, leaving aside the deep philosophy, I do think Moon+Ketu brings a little introversion and not caring too much for being nice to prevent hurt feelings. (Ketu is all about stripping social functioning of a graha. Moon is all about social functioning and any person with prominent Moon wants others to think good about them. Moon+Ketu makes that Ketu will make Moon forget about "what will others think say" (social aspect of graha) and instead focus on "what do I feel? what are they feeling?" (pure essence of graha). They can be highly perceptive and "know" what other person is feeling. This is unnerving to others on several levels).

On top of that, most Sun prominent persons appear "unapproachable" to others. They are too confident and essential part of making friends is about treating others as equals. Strong Sun natives have this "problem" of thinking most people as lesser beings than them. (e.g., not enough motivated, not enough self-esteem, gets ahead "playing nice" etc). For the record, I don't think it is really problem, but it is the view point they approach in interpersonal relationships with undefined hierarchy.

Anyway, I really don't know if that is helpful or even least bit useful to you. But, I think it is interesting to study archetypes although no person is a completely defined by one graha, even if it is the strongest graha in the chart. Everybody is influenced by every graha in their chart over their lifetime.

Practical bit of advice, be sure to live in a home with your own room that nobody comes in. Even separate suite. I find that Mars in 4th house needs 'little' bit of room to avoid getting on others' nerves. This is not from any jyotish insight but simply living a long time with 3 other close family members with Mars in 4th house. (One had that in Aquarius, another in Scorpio - this one is also Simha Lagna with Venus in lagna, another had Mars in Pisces).

All the best,
Violet

[Anandham]

Hello Violet Twilight,

I found your suggestion for 4th house Mars folks to be interesting...if you don't mind, could you share your experiences and insights about their personality?

Curious to know if your Jupiter is in the 2nd house...

And all the very best for that upcoming important meeting!

[VioletTwilight]

Hello Violet Twilight,

I found your suggestion for 4th house Mars folks to be interesting...if you don't mind, could you share your experiences and insights about their personality?

Curious to know if your Jupiter is in the 2nd house...

And all the very best for that upcoming important meeting!

Thanks for your wishes. I will try my best.

Mars is very territorial. This translates to them (natives with Mars in 4th) wanting everything exactly where they have left any object in their space. If you move something (even if it is part of removing their clothes from the bed or moving their papers to table), they get upset about it. It feels "intruding" on their kingdom because they left them there "on purpose". Note that they might be messy or clean depending on the status of their Saturn and nodes.

So, it is better to leave them to their own room and their own bathroom, and if they cook, better to have their own kitchen (the worst part of the house for them to share).

Another thing is that they can get very angry and the expression of anger depends on the sign of Mars. I found that airy signs Mars will launch at you with "logic" points (their scolding goes one with "because you did...." all the time). Watery signs Mars just feel "insulted" (they would rant how they are not "respected" or "dishonoured" etc). Depending on the Mercury it can come out in words or just be a slow burn. I have not observed Earthy Mars or Fiery Mars.

One good thing is that strong Mars never keeps grudges. They will try to hurt you either physically or emotionally and move on. If Moon is involved though, then it is a different story. Weakness in any of these grahas makes forgiveness difficult. Weak Mars will try for underhand methods at revenge, and weak Moon will keep a grudge forever IMHO.

But, Mars is somewhere for everyone and Mars can make us all anger prone in that area. What is different with 4th house Mars is that the 4th house represents Cancer in natural zodiac and the first watery sign. It also represents heart. So, their anger is deeper than others, and their anger can actually hurt their physical heart (depending on other grahas involvement of course, this is modified). Barbara Pijan Lama also adds that if it is not always 'anger' from 'angaaraka' then it can also turn into 'anxiety'.

These are all observations from a limited sample even though I had the good fortune (!) of living with those most of my life. So, add/modify as you increase your number of observations.

I have Jupiter exalted in lagna. That's how it forms hamsa yoga. Hope that helps.

[rita]

On top of that, most Sun prominent persons appear "unapproachable" to others. They are too confident and essential part of making friends is about treating others as equals. Strong Sun natives have this "problem" of thinking most people as lesser beings than them. (e.g., not enough motivated, not enough self-esteem, gets ahead "playing nice" etc). For the record, I don't think it is really problem, but it is the view point they approach in interpersonal relationships with undefined hierarchy.

Hello Violet,

Does this also apply to people with Sun in Leo (Simha) rashi? I know a number of people with Sun in Leo who have those traits.....they are very opinionated and like giving advice. They come across as if they feel they are better than others and are very quick to criticise other people.

[basab14]

But most Jupiter antardasas have been horrible as far as I can think, with respect to money and mental peace. I am out of job, lot of free time and I would just read, read, read. So, may be they are good for knowledge.

Violet,

For reading is Mercury also checked or only Jupiter?

[VioletTwilight]

Hello Violet,

Does this also apply to people with Sun in Leo (Simha) rashi? I know a number of people with Sun in Leo who have those traits.....they are very opinionated and like giving advice. They come across as if they feel they are better than others and are very quick to criticise other people.

We can't simply take one graha and give personality. If the person had Moon in AL, they come as very emotionally involved. If they have Saturn in Lagna, Sun in Leo won't shine. So, a number of factors has to work together to evaluate if Sun is prominent. If Sun in Leo is also in Lagna and vargottama Lagna. Then, yes.

Sometimes, it is hidden. Sun may be somewhere else but in parivartana with graha in Lagna or AL, and the person will display partial Sun traits.

Sometimes, it is opposite. A debilitated Sun with strong Mercury is more apt to criticise others quickly. (High verbal, low self-confidence). But, won't have other strong Sun qualities like being generous, and having high morals.

Please note that the judgement should take into account the whole chart.