How to attain moksha in this birth?

[moksha line]

Greetings Learned members,

We all know that our ultimate goal is moksha irrespective of our material pursuits. Now, to work towards attaining moksha is definitely not about denouncing oneself and let go of all material pursuits.

What we can discuss here is how to get moksha in this life and how our horoscopes promote this or show a sign that we are destined for moksha. What are the planetary positions supporting this? Also, the spiritul practices that should be followed regularly for breaking down the karma to vacuum.

Please feel free to share your thoughts if you are interested in attaining moksha which is the ultimate ambition for all of us who are in a spiritual journey. We will definitely get there. If not in this lifetime, definitely in the future. But, we have to work towards it in this lifetime also, sowing the right seeds, as it is not a one lifetime deal. It spans many lifetimes to get to the end. Never in one life.

I sincerely wish that everyone moves one step forward towards moksha after reading this series of posts which I am going to make in the following days. May you get the seeds planted in your head through this post and that too with the blessings of Lord Ganesha.

Please feel free to contribute to the post.

Good Luck with your life and it's wonderful journey.

Regards,
Moksha Line

[elipsis]

Perhaps you should explain your understanding of Moksha then I can give you a proper answer on how to attain it

[moksha line]

Hehe ..

Well, lets keep it this way. Assume I know more about moksha than an ordinary person.

In short, I can explain to you this way - Moksha is all about clearing your karmic debts and liberating yourself so that you go back to God.

Please bear in mind this is a one line answer.

[elipsis]

That answer is inadequate. The vedas tell you that you are already liberated and that moksha means nothing but coming out of the delusion that you are limited by the physicality of the nature. There is nothing in the world that actually belongs to you and nothing which is of your doing, you bring nothing and take nothing. So you have nothing to lose or gain, nothing to be afraid of. But human beings still desperately cling to their ambitions, they still consult their horoscopes when they know deep down they are an eternally free and blessed being. So moksha means coming out of delusion- that hypnotic state where we feel we are bound by some force, karmas, planets or God, to achieve this liberation you have to live your life as if you have nothing to lose, seize every moment of your life as if there is no tomorrow, love and be loved. Of course, if you want to do the hard way then practice Brahma Yoga meditation for several generations and achieve liberaton. This concept is the part of Advaita Vedanta, endorsed by Vivekananda and his followers. And I too sort of endorse it.

[moksha line]

That answer is inadequate. The vedas tell you that you are already liberated and that moksha means nothing but coming out of the delusion that you are limited by the physicality of the nature. There is nothing in the world that actually belongs to you and nothing which is of your doing, you bring nothing and take nothing. So you have nothing to lose or gain, nothing to be afraid of. But human beings still desperately cling to their ambitions, they still consult their horoscopes when they know deep down they are an eternally free and blessed being. So moksha means coming out of delusion- that hypnotic state where we feel we are bound by some force, karmas, planets or God, to achieve this liberation you have to live your life as if you have nothing to lose, seize every moment of your life as if there is no tomorrow, love and be loved. Of course, if you want to do the hard way then practice Brahma Yoga meditation for several generations and achieve liberaton. This concept is the part of Advaita Vedanta, endorsed by Vivekananda and his followers. And I too sort of endorse it.

"moksha means nothing but coming out of the delusion that you are limited by the physicality of the nature."

That is what I meant by 'clearing our karmic debts'
Whenever we desire something new, we create new karmas. To come out of the delusion, we should clear all our karmas.


"But human beings still desperately cling to their ambitions, they still consult their horoscopes when they know deep down they are an eternally free and blessed being. "

Well, if everyone knows what is the actual condition deep down inside, then why are they not attaining moksha?

Every soul has to pass through a lot of lifetimes during which the soul experiences and learns everything. Even attaining material goals. Only after a soul has seen all this will it reach a lifetime where it knows the truth about everything and is capable of attaining moksha.

"they still consult their horoscopes "
The knowledge of Astrology was given to human beings for better guidance and also for understanding about their karmas and hence about themselves better.

Every soul has a different purpose in this universe. We cannot compare between them. Afterall it is God's game we are playing. He sets the rules.

"So moksha means coming out of delusion- that hypnotic state where we feel we are bound by some force, karmas"

Karmas bind us to our physical body. To come out of that delusion, you should stop creating new karmas and clear your previous karmic debts when you get the chance.

"to achieve this liberation you have to live your life as if you have nothing to lose, seize every moment of your life as if there is no tomorrow, love and be loved."

Love also creates karmas. You have to detach yourself entirely to progress further. What you have mentioned above is a good way to cross a good amount of distance in your journey to moksha.


"Of course, if you want to do the hard way then practice Brahma Yoga meditation for several generations and achieve liberaton."
Well, meditation is never hard or a pain in the rose for the advanced soul which is in the final stages of liberation. If you find it as hard, your soul is still young and fresh and still has a long way to go.

"This concept is the part of Advaita Vedanta, endorsed by Vivekananda and his followers. And I too sort of endorse it."
It is good that you endorse it. This means you have sowed the seeds for moksha and that is a good first step. Your soul will advance further in the future lifetimes.

Remember, there will be many disciples who follow a spiritual master or guru. But all these disciples have different karmic debts and will be in the different stages of spiritual development. Not everyone of them can attain moksha in this lifetime.

Regards,
Moksha Line

[lifeline]

Moksha can be attained when all the good and bad deeds are balanced and you are not influenced by materialistic world...So reach moksha, going through regression therapy and finding the past mistakes might help...also if one knows on whom those mistakes were done, one can repent and try to balance the wrongdoings...
I dont have any idea how to balance the good karma and not be influenced by materialistic desires...also we might already have made some good karma or bad karma in the past

[raghu]

From what I have read the Vedas encourage these questions.
The human form of birth is meant for God realization...and no other purpose.
And look at the encouragement of our sages...saints...and the lord him self gives us to pursue this path
But we're so Foolish we don't care to listen and take up the offer

Here is a nice chapter from the Bhagavad Gita Chapter 9 - Raja Vidya
Just listen to Lord Krishna explaining liberation to Arjuna.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CCr-HPKKVM

The great saint Adi Shankaracharya composed the verses of Bhaja Govindam

bhajagovindam bhajagovindam
govindam bhajamuudhamate
sampraapte sannihite kaale
nahi nahi rakshati dukrijnkarane

Worship Govinda, Worship Govinda, Worship Govinda.
Oh fool ! Rules of Grammar will not save you at the time of your death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLjOEUluBjY (sung by MS Subbulakshmi)

[Nitin21]

Not all get Moksha... Only satvikas get moksha, rajas are nitya samsaris they keep taking births and ever involved in cycle of birth and death, and tamas are sent to andhatamas from where there is no return..

[moksha line]

Hi Astroduffer,

Why dont you explain what you are trying to say in detail.

Thanks,
Moksha line

[Nitin21]

For here, This much is enough bhai .. Rest should be disclosed only via an eligible scholar and i am not the one

[moksha line]

There is a theory that ketu in 4th, 8th and 12th houses give moksha for the native. But, many people have that placement. We know that the dashas also should be favorable. Any ideas what other conditions should be present in the chart besides the aforementioned ketu placements?

Also, anyone know whether great saints like swami vivekananda has this ketu placement for moksha?

[elipsis]

Placement of Ketu does not guarantee moksha. In fact horoscopes cannot tell whether you'll be liberated.

Ascendant - physical pursuits
Moon - State of Mind
Sun - Spiritual Pursuits, will power (dhi shakti, bu-dhi), ambitions etc


Vivekananda has Rahu in the 12th I think (Sg Asc).

[moksha line]

Placement of Ketu does not guarantee moksha. In fact horoscopes cannot tell whether you'll be liberated.

Ascendant - physical pursuits
Moon - State of Mind
Sun - Spiritual Pursuits, will power (dhi shakti, bu-dhi), ambitions etc


Vivekananda has Rahu in the 12th I think (Sg Asc).

Okay. I agree with your statement. I am arriving at this theory:

maybe ketu in these houses brings out the spiritual advantage provided all other planets support spirituality. Once we are really spiritual, one by one we'll come to know many truths. These truths will come to us naturally. Maybe once we reach a stage we'll get to know at what level we are and how much advanced our soul is. Maybe, when we activate our kundalini shakthi using meditation and once all the chakras get activated.

I guess the more one is spiritually advanced, the more one is closer to getting moksha. Once, he is that much advanced in spiritual level, he will keep his mouth shut and not write in forums like us! Maybe. Yes, that seems the natural thing to do once we start to know these truths. But then we want someone to guide us. Maybe that is why we need a Guru. To guide us in our spiritual journey. To tell us where we are in this journey. Maybe we need a guru to know the map. The map which has the path towards liberation.

But, how many of us gets a Guru. No, we do not choose a Guru; Of course not. The Guru chooses us. Once we have a dire desire to get a Guru. Once we have an immense passion to find our Guru, the Guru finds us. Yes! So, that is the way to Liberation.

But, how many of us has this dire desire? And what about the souls who are still lost and can't seem to find their way? Maybe their inner desire is to find this path but they may not know how. Well, then this post is for them then. May the people somehow accidently find this post or some other similar post and know more about it. Maybe quell their spiritual thirst. Let it be.

Much Love,
Moksha Line

[stareagle]

Find God within and then see the divine reflected in the world. Love God.

God burns away all illusion and you are left with the truth. Thinking becomes still.

We are in this world living our lives and at the same time we sit with Shiva on his eternal mountain top. Know this. Understand it. Live it.

[hari766]

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[vyvasvatha manu]

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Also, anyone know whether great saints like swami vivekananda has this ketu placement for moksha?[/color][/quote]

moksha line,
kethu in 4,8,12 definitely shows spiritual progress has been made in previous lives and will get continuation in the present one.
there are few things that need to be made clear though.
first of all, as you've rightly said, it's not an achievement that can happen in one life-time.
that means the necessary spiritual inertia must be there from previous births.
this directly takes us to kethu's shashtiamsha placement. (it should be kept in mind that kethu shows those things that we have conquered in previous lives. for eg, a person with kethu in lagna(d1) doesn't seem to care much about himself because he has at some level conquered his "self". he can be selfless. a person with kethu in 8th(d1) can show him having learnt/mastered occult sciences previously and in the current one, all that knowledge is waitin to come out strongly. etc etc.)

whenever we see kethu in 4/8/12 we cannot directly deduce moksha or even spirituality.
because every bhaava shows multiple things. and likewise, moksha related issues are only "a few" of the "many" things each houses of moksha thrikona signify.

so to deduce spirituality and moksha when kethu is in moksha koNa, we need to start from the bottom. never start at kshethra(raashi chakra). start from shashtiamsha.
now, if in shashtiamsha kethu is exalted or otherwise well placed in 4/8/12 from lagna, the person must have had a strong spiritual pursuit in previous life.

then, look at navaamsha with aathma kaaraka(ak) as the reference.
there HAS to be an interplay(yoga/aspects/exchange)between ak-4th lord-8L-12L

then come to kshethra. even here ak-4L-8L-12L need to have some sort of relation.
in most cases of serious spiritual saadhakas like swami vivekananda, ramaNa maharshi ak is vargothama.

so look for a vargothama ak with moksha-konaadhipas in action with reference to ak in d1+d9.

only in such cases, if you find kethu in 4-8-12, u can deduce moksha or gettin elevated to the next higher lokas etc.

and the 12th from ak need not necessarily have kethu only. any exalted planet in 12th from ak, for a person having spiritual yogas in raashi n navaamsha wrt ak will indicate leaving this world atleast.

hope this helped.

[Sudarshang]

Thirukkachi Nambi, Saint Ramanuja's acharya, had the ability to talk to Kanchi Vardaraja Perumal. He would talk to Him everyday. One day, Ramanuja requested Nambi to get clarification for questions he had in his mind. Kanchi Varadaraja Perumal gave six phrases as answers to the questions.

These are the six:
Ahameva Param Tattvam (I alone am the Supreme Truth/Being)
Darshanam Bheda Evacha (There is distinction between Jeevatma and Paramatma)
Upayeshu Prappatishyath (The means to attain Moksha is Prapatti)
Antima Smriti Varjanam (To the one that has performed prapatti, he need not remember me at the time of death).
Dehavasane Muktisyath (Moksha is guaranteed at the end of this life)
Poornacharya Samashrayanam (Contact Periya Nambi to perform Prapatti/Samashrayanam).

There after, Ramanuja established 74 authorities during his life time to perform Prapatti to the people of the world that are interested. Any one, irrespective of gender, caste, creed, religion, country to citizenship, etc. may approach any of the existing Ramanuja Mutts to perform Prapatti. Prapatti means - complete surrender to the supreme Lord, Sriman Narayanan. People that have performed Prapatti come to be known as SriVaishnava. Knowing that Lord Sriman Narayanan is the supreme being, they do not normally worship any other devata - e.g. rudra, parvati, kaali, skanda, ganesha, brahma, indra, etc. because they know that their moksha is guaranteed by Sriman Narayana Himself. He becomes a Monotheistic Hindu also called as "Paramaikanthi". (Parama Ekanthi - serious worshipper of only Sriman Narayana).

Prapatti is a Nivritti marga - where you surrender to the Lord and leave the responsibility of taking you to Moksha to the Lord Himself. You do not have to do anything after that towards your moksha. All other sampradaya lay emphasis on learning the shastras, performing nitya/naimithiga karma and attaining knowledge as means to Moksha through the well known paths of karma, gyana, bhakti yogas. Enormous amount of self-driven effort is needed. One has to go through the various phases of Ashtanga yoga to cultivate Dharana, and then reach samadhi state, even after which, you only get Atma Anubhavam. Only Prapatti takes you directly to Paramatma Anubhavam or Bhrahma Anubhavam directly (not during the life time, but after the life separates from the body). Prapatti is also referred to as Nyasa Vidya in the shastras. Therefore this is an accepted "vedic" path to reach Moksha at the end of this life. There is no such guarantee in any of the other paths to moksha. The other paths are like walking on the razor's edge - meaning the saadhak can go wrong and potentially take several life times (may be even millions of life times) to attain moksha. In prapatti, the sadhana for your Moksha is undertaken by the Supreme Lord himself. So you are rest assured.

Satyam Satyam Punassatyam Ethiraajo Jagatguru:

[HelenWan]

I recall reading the birth of our physical body into this life is like the path of the eclipse Rahu and ketu some said we are born grossly based on the path of the nodes.

I believe in the idea of moksha had already been obtained by all of us, only that we are unaware or remaining asleep toward the understanding of we had already obtained. Perhaps we can also obtain moksha right now while still in the physical body as the nature of moksha is purely based on our thinking, our attitude, our feelings on all things. Only this for once in life, we have the free will on choosing when and how I can be liberated as we are the light of our own salvation. Debt or good deed are also meaninglessness as much as we can measure and calculate with the highest knowledge of astrology all we managed to do is only like an observer and watcher of events by timing. But the actual importance is our inner attitude toward all things that will determine rather you are living in hell or heaven.

At the end of the days no matter what faith you have what practice of spirituality you hold, the true freedom perhaps is not to be bounded by desires, emotions or moral/immoral anymore. To be part of all life and be part of the flow without limited by any form of emotions or values of the world. Nothingness, perhaps is the best of eternal peace.

[kanhaiyahitesh1]

Hello all...

The basic three paths to attain Moksha are Jnana Yoga, Karma Yoga and Bhakti Yoga. This is as far as choice of sadhana is concerned. One can take up any combination of the above 3 paths for sadhana.

However, over and above one's efforts, God's grace is a Must for attaining Moksha. "Moksha Moolam Gurur Kripa".

Therefore the best way to ensure Moksha is to practice sadhana and Take refuge under God Or Lord Krishna or Lord Vishnu or Lord Shiva.

Lord Krishna says in the 56th verse of the 18th chapter of the Bhagavad Geeta:

"My devotees, though performing all kinds of actions, take full refuge in me. By my grace, they attain the eternal and imperishable abode." --- Chapter 18, verse 56 of Bhagavad Geeta.


There is no need for strain or anxiety for Moksha.

One needs to only practice sadhana with faith in the above mentioned verse of the Geeta. The Lord will do the rest!!!