Shubha / Papa Kartari Yoga

[GNE]

Hello all,
I'm wondering if someone could help explain the effects of the Shubha Kartari Yoga and Papa Kartari "scissors" yogas.

When a house is surrounded by benefics (venus, mercury, jupiter . ..or moon?) it creates Shubha Kartari. All sites I find that explain the yoga just simply say that it gives protection and positivity/luck to the house they surround.

But what exactly do they mean protection/luck? Does it mean everything in regards to the house turns out positive? example if someone has it surrounding the 6th house, they tend to not get illness / accidents, and have no enemies, or all enemies are easily defeated or turn into friends, they have luck with the law, etc.. ?

I have this yoga surrounding my 9th house - infact it seems to be the truest version of the "scissors" yoga - with benefics Mercury+Venus in 10th retrograde towards the 9th... then moon in 9th. ...then jupiter in 8th going forward towards 9th.

I wonder what the effects of this could be (I know it's also a durudhara yoga on moon, but thats a different thing) ,
I'm particularly curious since the 9th house always seems to be one of the most important - the most auspicious house of luck and fortune, so what could it mean if it's the house involved in the Shubha Kartari yoga?



Similarly, what about papa kartari? I guess it does the opposite and ruins all effects of a house?
I have a friend with his 2nd house surrouned by malefics (mars 12th to it, sun and saturn 2nd to it) and he is poor and have very little ability to save money, also doesn't have much respect from his family - and his family themselves are looked down upon in the neighbourhood generally. He also has a harsh voice many say is "annoying".


Thank you for any information on these yogas.

[archit]

hi GNE, you already have some good insight on the kartari yogas. I would just like to add that while you consider these yogas you should consider not only the nature of the planets i.e. benefic or malefic but also the lordship, position and power of the planets, then only you can assume realistic results.

[wriddhi]

[quote="archit"]I would just like to add that while you consider these yogas you should consider not only the nature of the planets i.e. benefic or malefic but also the lordship, position and power of the planets, then only you can assume realistic results.[/quote]
exactly. archit. you are correct.
and i himself believe in vedic astrology there are not less than 300 yoga. but how many yoga are effective in our daily life? all are depend on lordship, position and power of the planets.
if i am wrong please rectify me.
regards
wriddhi

[archit]

i believe the same way as you do wriddhi. reading the yogas should be just to get the basic idea of various combinations.
then there is one more thing. it has been ages since those books were written. there are no kings and emperors any more. there are lot more jobs/career options than government jobs and there is not allowed a second marriage in hindu tradition. all these things should also be considered.
in this case the original poster GNE has the basic idea and then the basic rule lord, lordship, position, aspect, karaka, etc. follow.

[GNE]

Thanks for the input everyone.
Very true about yogas, and that the planet lordship, karaka, positions, etc... all also effect the strength and outcome (or lack of) yoga.

[exalted mars!.]

mr. GNE..best example i can give is of a office desk....if your desk is surrounded by employee who don't work and just make gags all day long...u will not able to work properly...this will be result..and if your next employees are smarter..people u will get a calm place to put your ideas in action...same goes to planets as well..hoped your undestand..
EM!

[archit]

well said exaltedmars!

[exalted mars!.]

thanks archit

[surajmohith]

hi exalted mars
what about the yoga formed by both malefic and benefic on either side of house or planet,can we take this as both paapkarthri and subha karthri yoga is presnt or they cancel each other.
2)if on one side both amalefic and benefic is present on other side only one malefic or benefic are present than which yoga we have to consider
example 1st house with saturn +jupiter and 11th house sun+mrcury
with regards
suraj

[exalted mars!.]

hi exalted mars
what about the yoga formed by both malefic and benefic on either side of house or planet,can we take this as both paapkarthri and subha karthri yoga is presnt or they cancel each other.
2)if on one side both amalefic and benefic is present on other side only one malefic or benefic are present than which yoga we have to consider
example 1st house with saturn +jupiter and 11th house sun+mrcury
with regards
suraj

Wow..nice question surajji...ok

If a house occupied by lets say...jupiter and mars on one side and saturn and venus on other side..,so it's both subh and paap katari yoga..,so they will nutrallize each other..
2/now this is nice question..i call this cluster yoga..,for..e.g..,let 2nd house have mars-saturn..,12 house have rahu,sun mercury..,mercury is closer to rahu so mercury is malific here..,so it's paap katri yoga here..
3/ now as u said..saturn jupiter in 1st house and sun mercury in 11...well we have to see sun's funtional role here...for e.g for aries asendent sun is benific so mercury in this example will act as benific..hope you undustand..
EM!

[surajmohith]

sir
thanks exalted mars for ur reply with examples. sir take for instance
1) for saggitarius lagna in 1st house saturn and jupiter with 11 th house sun and mercury(r) closely conjunct almost 3 to 4 degrees distance .in 12 th house is venus .
here both the yogas are present . or can we consider mercury malefic as it is debiliated sun and also houses of mercury is aspected by saturn from 1st house . though mars is afunctional benefic placed in 7th gemini aspecting another house virgo. and 9th leo is occupied by Rahu. can this be a only paap karthri yoga and no subha karthri yoga.
for further details moon in taurus in rohini 4 th pada.
2)for libra lagna ketu in 1st and mars(r) in 3rd house. and saturn in 2nd house .it is purely paapkarthri yoga. here saturn is getting the aspect of lagna lord venus from 8th house ,is this sufficient to mitigate the results of paap karthri yoga.if paap karthri is present is this nullify the results given by the yogakaraka saturn as he is having paap karthri.

thanks in advance
regards
suraj

[exalted mars!.]

surajji..plz post the details..with gender..
EM!

[surajmohith]

sir
okay here are the details

male :6-11-1960 ; 10:30 to 11:00 Am ; pendurthy ,visakhapatnam .AP
Male son of above native, : 2-5-1986 ; 6:30 PM ; Pendurthy AP.



regards
suraj

[srcs]

@ Hi all ; shuba/papa kartari yogas are just indicators of house luck/position rather like dignity of planets.
Eg.Take lagna/any other house; It is like good neighbours(planets) living adjacent to ur house on both sides for shuba kartari.It is like when Guru/L9 asp.either lagna/moon/dasalord/bhukthi lord providential help is assured
despite enormous suffering the native may under go depending upon algebraic calculations of inimical
drishties/aspects on the same.Bad neighbours for papa kartari. supposing in lagna itself ashuba is posited/
lagnathipathi is badly afflicted then these shuba kartari is helpless much like the native himself is bad character.