Some Mundane Questions and Their Ties to Astrology

[anugeet]

Khoo Hock Leong wrote:
> MYTH OR FACT :
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> One very good astrologer pointed to me this fact.
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> Before even looking at anything about the Moon, whether bright or dark, waxing or
> waning etc.
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> LOOK FIRST at the dispositor of the Moon Nakshatra. If that is strong, the person
> can go far.
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> This expalins why a lot of dark Moon people are very successful including the fact
> why Sun conjunct Moon produces royalty notwithstanding the Moon is dark.
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> This astrologer is very good.
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> ANSWER
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> True
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> Best Regards
> Hock Leong

Hi Khoo,

So a retrograde Venus in Vrishabha (mirgashira) would afford strength to a sun+moon conjunction (Krittika) also in Vrshabha? Would south node's (rohini) presence take away from this ability?

regards,
anugeet

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Anugeet

Venus and Moon are well placed in Taurus. Ketu in Taurus only enhances them.

Sun+Moon gives royalty.

Sun, however, is enemy to Venus and is in his enemy sign but then Venus being the dispositor of this whole conjunction of planetary bodies, calls the shots.

I would say the conjunction is strong, but is more of a feminine nature. For example, the person may be tops in the fashion industry, a more feminine industry.

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

MYTH OR FACT :

I am going to discuss two concepts in this post. The second concept discussion does refer to the ideas of the first concept

FIRST CONCEPT

Signs are styles and houses as we know from an earlier post of mine. Now the signs Cancer, Virgo, Libra, Sagittarius are special because both the natural ruler and the karaka (or backup karaka) are ONE AND THE SAME planet. (In fact Cancer is even special because Moon is digbala there).

These signs are synonymous AS IF THAT PLANET PLACED IN THAT HOUSE where the sign is overlaying that particular house. So if you have Libra on the 11th house, it is as if Venus is placed in the 11th house. So if you have Sagittarius on the 6th house, it is as if Jupiter is placed on the 6th house.

This concept is important and we will refer to it when we discuss the 2nd concept in this post.

SECOND CONCEPT

2nd to Sun is an auspicious point. If a planet is placed there it is called Vesi Yoga. 2nd to Sun signifies the right eye. It is as if there is a higher authority keeping a check on you so that you will act according to dharma. You will also never be down and out.

Now we know that Venus rules prosperity and Jupiter fortune and abundance. Although Venus gives us everything on a high prosperous note, Jupiter PROMISES you that you can get more if you direct your effort to it. That is what is meant by the ocean of abundance, the sign Pisces which Jupiter rules. It is also what is meant by fortune where you go from place to place to stake your fortune, the sign Sagittarius which the planet rules.

With fortune and abundance in his bag, Jupiter goes on to leave his imprint on the various houses relative to it (that is taking Jupiter as the Ascendant) and the 2nd to Jupiter denotes WEALTH.

Wealth is synonymous to abundance. That is why the 2nd to Jupiter is so powerful. (12th to Venus gives prosperity).

Now we see why Jupiter in Capricorn, although in its fall, gives WEALTH, although it also gives health related problems eg. Meryl Streep has this placement in the 7th house.

FIRSTLY, Jupiter in Capricorn is in a sign that comes AFTER Sagittarius. And we know Sagittarius signifies Jupiter from the first concept we discuss above. So Jupiter is in a position of welath by sign placement ie. stanth bala. And Jupiter is a karaka for wealth. So it is wealth upon wealth.

SECONDLY, Jupiter being in Capricorn means that Aquarius would be also in 2nd to Jupiter's position. And Aquarius signifies gains. So another wealth effect.

THIRDLY, ANY Bhava or sign which is 2nd to Jupiter in the chart, becomes very well fortified. Like Jupiter in the 8th makes the 9th very strong. This is especially so if Jupiter is also ruling the 9th at the same time because in this case, Jupiter would be like 12th to the 9th so that in addition, Jupiter gives behind the scene protection to the 9th. This has been acknowledged by the Ratnakara classic. It also shows why Capricorn is in general a beneficial sign because it comes after Sagittarius. Any house with Capricron overlaying it would also flourish.

ANSWER
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True

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Although Tropical Astrology uses Tropical Signs but they also attach Capricorn with the abundance label of "Horn of Cornucopia or Plenty".

The same two concepts above also shows why Venus in Scorpio gives losts ofmoney and Moonin Leo gives wealth. Scorpio comes after Libra and 2nd to Venus shows money and Venus is the karaka for money. Leo comes after Cancer and 2nd to Moon shows wealth and Moon is the karaka for wealth also besides Jupiter.

[anugeet]

[quote="Khoo Hock Leong"]Hi Anugeet

Venus and Moon are well placed in Taurus. Ketu in Taurus only enhances them.

Sun+Moon gives royalty.

Sun, however, is enemy to Venus and is in his enemy sign but then Venus being the dispositor of this whole conjunction of planetary bodies, calls the shots.

I would say the conjunction is strong, but is more of a feminine nature. For example, the person may be tops in the fashion industry, a more feminine industry.

Best Regards
Hock Leong[/quote]


Thanks Khoo, I understand.

Enjoy reading the points you raise...

Best regards,
anugeet

[Khoo Hock Leong]

MYTH OR FACT :

Now we know about the Great Parasara exception where debilitated planets do well in Dusthanas. We know also abut the various concepts of getting Neecha Bhanga,.

But do you know that Neecha planets can give good results according to Mehta, a Gujarat Astrologer, in the latest article of Saptarishis Magazine? Neecha planets give inward energy like dharma, Kshama, Dhriti. If they are placed in Lagna, the person can be wealthy by dint of hard work and proper conduct. If they are the Brahmin caste planets Venus or Jupiter, it is even better.

According to Mehta, the only Neecha planet that is truly not so good is the 9th lord from Lagna or 9th lord from the Moon. Here is a case where the 9th lord is very spiritual and governs external spirituality more than inner spirituality. If the lord is debilitated, much necessary good spiritual gloss from the 9th lord is lost!!!!

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True

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[Hari76]

Hi Khoo
If the tenth L from Moon is debilitated is it reasonable to conclude that there wont be job satisfaction? If yes; are there any positives from this placement?

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Haris, I will answer your question next after I put up this post.

Now we already established that the Nakshatra dispositor of the Moon is more important than the brightness of the Moon, then followed by its waxing/waning.

Next in importance would be the Moon's functional lordship. Why? Becasue Parasara says to take Cancer as the Ascendant. So therefore the house where Cancer is placed is an important point.

Next in importance would then be the Moon sign. This factor is only more important when Moon is in Taurus where it is exalted and Moolatrikona. A lot of potential Yogas can be formed when Moon is in this sign.

Moon in Scorpio is also not so bad because Moon has an affinity with Mars unless Mars is in a Dosha position.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Haris

If 10th lord from Moon is debilitated, the only consolation one can derive from the ariticle ie.Mehta's precepts, is when there are NO NATURAL BENEFICS situated from the 10th of Moon. This means if the lord of the 10th from Moon is debilitated and say, Venus or Jupiter is in addition placed in 10th to Moon, the problem would be compounded.

I was thinking why is it Venus or Jupiter placed in 10th to Moon would not be auspcicious.

The only conclusion I could draw is that 10th to Moon is such a sensitive point that you do not want other natural benefics rays to interfere with it since Venus or Jupiter oeprate on quite a different mode from Moon. Moon reflects rays from the Sun but Venus is the brightest star in the sky and Jupiter's density is the lightest. All these have connotations in how each of them bring luck to the native.

According to Mehta, natural benefics in this point bring Kemudrum Yoga.

Other than that, of course you can have the Neecha cancelled.

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Re: which is accurate Ra/Ke in Mean position or True positio

Postby Khoo Hock Leong » Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:33 pm
MYTH OR FACT :

I now know why my Sun-Jupiter or Jupiter-Sun dasa is so good. Besides the fact that Jupiter is singleton (does not receive any aspects and its dispsotor is weak in dispositing Jupiter in the 8th because Saturn is in its own house in Capricorn in the 7th) which makes it highly powerful (philsoophical), and it aspects Sun, both Sun and Jupiter are 108 degrees away - a magical number.

ANSWER
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True

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

MYTH OR FACT :

Mercury 90 degrees from Jupiter or vice-versa is strong because both Mercury and Jupiter each rule signs which are square to each other.

ANSWER
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True

The squares of Mercury and Jupiter complement each other beautifully.

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

MYTH OR FACT :

One astrologer corrected me :

If a planet rules both a Dusthana and a non-Dusthana, and the planet is placed in the non-Dusthana in its own sign, the Dusthana obstructive effects become annulled. But the planet is still ruling the Dusthana.

ANSWER
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I think this should be the logical conclusion from Phaladeepika rather the planet losing the lordship of the sign on the Dusthana because a sign cannot possibly be losing its lordship.

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Ann

Reply to you later.

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

MYTH OR FACT :

The difference between the 6th house and the 8th house is.......

whereas the ability to walk through relationship problems can solve 6th house problems............the domain of the 7th house........

but only the 9th house of goodness and purity can solve 8th house problem where crises escalate.............

That is the difference!!!!!

ANSWER
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True

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[rosebud0810]

Its always nice to read such lengthy and detailed discussions on this forum….another reason I am glad to be a member of LOVA.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

MYTH OR FACT :

The seqence of the Vimsottari Dasa reflects the evolving and perpetual cycle of the human consciousness in particular and decay, buildup and sustenance of society and civilizations in general.

First comes the Sun which shows the soul of humans as a group living together, after they have interacted with one another in the previous dasa period of Venus. Men are in a state where they understand each other and give due importance to the dignity of each individual - the concept of individual freedom without harming the freedom of others.

Next comes the Moon when men starts to care for one another and sustain society as a whole through the caring and motivation given freely to everyone. This leads to a feeling of contentment and fulfillment. Reflection is also part of this stage as men see the connectedness of the past, present and future.

Next comes Mars when men strive to conquer new vistas with the hope of gaining new nourishment for themselves whether spiritually or materially. Thus Mars has a spiritual component to it, notwistanding it being a Tasmanic planet. Mars gets spearheaded by the Moon, the previous dasa period ruler, and that is why a gentle force can properly direct the assertive force of Mars.

Rahu comes next when men have conquered what they want, and they are thinking of ways to build up a better future of the newly conquered lands. Planning comes in and it is inevitable that a mirage be created so that men has something to aim for becuase nothing constructive in reality has been built yet. So even Rahu has its place in the Vimsottari Dasa.

Jupiter's dasa comes next when what is built becomes the edifice of the new society which the migrants would come over to live. Sustenance would be in terms of religion, laws and the propounding of the Zeitgeist so that everyone understand the ethos that is previling in that period. Benedictions are written to remind men that even with the passing away of their kin, the living is supposed to carry on the tradition.

Saturn's dasa comes next when what is promoted by Jupiter really becomes traditional and the rules becomes tested through centuries and their applicability through repeated use. This period also sees men encapsulating these basic frameworks of Jupiter into various detailed knowledge which can operate in all niches of society, so that society can progress and flourish.

Mercury's dasa comes next when through learning of the detailed knowledge inscribed by Saturn in 'tablets' (in modern society the counterpart would be files, books, internet etc.) gives men the necessary intelligence to perform the work required of them by society and to organise into a more efficient mode of surviving. It also helps to double up the value and riches of the society.

Ketu's dasa comes next when prosperity reaches its peak and men is in danger of getting too attached to the material benefits around him. Ketu teaches men to be detached of all these things, and only by doing so, can men get windfalls which also comes under Ketu. Inner values start forming within each of our bosom, and conscience would come in, so that the proper conduct of the interactions of men, and with God, are properly set down in rules and precepts.

Venus's dasa come in next as men can start spending freely, because only by spending, can one relieves the attachment to material things which was started by Ketu who stresses detachment. Men also starts to take note of his surroundings and beautify it, because on his route to Moksha (Venus exaltd in Pisces) only by beautifying his surroundings, would the soul not long for again a re-birth with better treatment ie. give up all the cares of the world (Sun is the significator of the planets, so the soul operates in all phases, just like the Moon is the significator of the Nakshatras and hence the mind operates in all phases too). Venus also teaches us to think for others as we are journeying together towards Moksha.

And the cycle goes back to the Sun again.

ANSWER
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True

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Ketu also represents the period when society's bulwark walls start to decay.

[vikram_ultimate]

Brilliant ! Thanks a lot Khoo for these wonderful articles

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Actually another combination for planet is :

Planet aspects Bhava Lord and at the same time aspects any one of the bhavas which the Bhava Lord rules.

Thanks.

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

In the above case, Planet B is not disposited by the Bhava Lord A.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

MYTH OR FACT :

I have read several posts on Shares and Lottery as well as some readings from them. In short, the following Lords should combine ie. a Lord from Group A should combine with a Lord from Group B (the different ways of combination as used by astroogers like mutual exchange, mutal aspects etc.) :

GROUP A
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8th lord - for unexpected gifts and legacies, also for ability to breakthrough factors which prevent gains when others are still dealing with them; behind the help of spiritual forces but only reserved for you if the lord is well placed

5th lord - gains through intelligent speculation, past life good karma (poorva punya)

12th lord - this house shows easy money as it is 11th to the 2nd. It is also 2nd to the 11th ie. supporting easy money making ventures.

GROUP B
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2nd Lord - Money and savings

11th Lord - Gains beyond the normal accretion of the 2nd house

9th Lord - For Luck and Fortune. It can also stand in substitution for the 11th lord as it is the 9th of the 9th.

ANSWER
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True

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

MYTH OR FACT :

Note that I realize when Parasara mentions Dhristi, he meant aspect. When he says Yuti, he means conjunction. Has nothing to do with Jaimini aspects. Now for the next idea.

1. The effects of the Dashas of the planets are in accordance with their strength. The effects of planets in the first ten degrees are realized at the commencement of the Dasha. The planets from above ten to twenty degrees make its Dasha effects felt in the middle of the Dasha. The effects of the planets above twenty degrees to thirty degrees are experienced at the end of the Dasha. If the planets are retrograde, these effects would be in the reverse order. The Dasha effects of Rahu and Ketu, who are always retrograde, will always be realized in the reverse order.

2. At the commencement of the Dasha, if the Dasha Lord is in ascendant, in his exaltation, own, or a friendly Sign, the effects will be favourable .

3. The results would be unfavourable, if the Dasha Lord is in Ari, Randhr, or Vyaya Bhava, in its debilitation, or in an inimical Sign and in Lajjit, Kshobhit, Kshudht or Trishit Avastha etc.

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True

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

MYTH OR FACT :

I just found an article by Astrologer Anitya Nirvana which confirms what I told the forum about the 4th house in D24, which unlike Rasi, denotes basic and PRIMARY education. I also did mention post doctorate was the 12th and doctorate on the 7th. Masters is the 2nd house which I mention. The only one which I did not mention is that 9th house deals with Bachelor's Degree. However, I did mention that to get all these houses of education, just count 6 houses starting from the 4th house.

(Mind you, this is D24, where the various house significations differ markedly from what is in the Rasi).

My logic at that time in arguing that 4th house in D24 is PRIMARY education is that here the D-24 Lagna represents education in general, and 4th house can be considered like a foundation for D24. On the other hand, the Lagna D-1 is the person in general with some intelligence, so the 4th house there is like a bsic education for survival which is the Bachelor's Degree.

Anyway, here is the article by Anitya Nirvana.

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This divisional chart is used to time education and associated events in Vedic Astrology. It is also called Chaturvimshamsa i.e. the twenty-fourth divisional chart. The word siddhamsa refers to siddhi (accomplishment) or all knowledge (vidya) acquired by the native and falls among the vargas that reside in the conscious plane for a native. D24 can be used to time specific events related to the native’s education as well as native’s general approach towards education and knowledge.

Knowledge, especially first lessons or basic/primary knowledge/schooling is seen from the fourth house. And growth is seen through the upachaya principle via 6th house therefrom. That is the next level or Bachelors level education is seen by counting six houses from the fourth house in D24 which is ninth house, and Masters by counting six houses from the ninth house i.e. second house and so on for doctorate and post-doctoral education.

Main points:

- The primary karaka for this varga chart is Mercury. A strong, well-placed Mercury not only helps in the smooth transition through different levels of education but also aids the general learning process for the native.

-Moon is another significator of this chart, being the natural 4H lord and the karaka for mind – used for learning.

-Sun and its placement would point to the source of the natives learning.

- A well-placed and strong benefic in the D24 lagna makes sure that the native can grasp new concepts easily and quickly.

- The D24 lagnesh in a dushthana would cause troubles and obstacles in learning.

-Karya bhava – fourth house – therefore to ensure overall strength of the varga, 4H and 4L should be strong.

- The placement of moon in D24 points to the concentration power as well as the power to make determined efforts towards learning any particular subject. Moon well placed in a fixed sign indicates good focus and stability in learning. While Moon in a movable sign could indicate that the native can get distracted very easily. (Moon in Scorpio, whilst in a fixed sign is also weak. It could point to a tendency to delve too deeply or fixedly on various topics to the detriment of overall learning.)

-Badhakesh for the particular D24 lagna if placed in houses (4,9,2,7 etc.) or with the lords of these houses would lead to obstacles in the course of that education level.

-A retrograde, strong lord of houses 4,9,2,7 etc. would indicate a powerful inner urge to complete that education level.

-Shubha and Papa argala on the houses 4,9,2,7 etc. or their lords should be carefully judged to keep track of all planets which, during their planetary periods, would cause intervention and aid or obstruct that particular education level.

-The close influence of various planets on the houses 4,9,2,7 etc. or their lords indicate the fields or subjects that would be pursued by the native at different education levels. This is judged using natural significations of the planets, for eg.

Jupiter for Law, Finance, Banks, teaching, astrology etc

Ketu for Mathematics, Computers etc

Mercury for publishing, communications, crafting items, trade, business etc

Venus for Arts, luxury items, beauty etc

Mars for Police, Army, Defence, Martial Arts, Real Estate, Engineering, Metals, Surgery etc

Sun for politics, astrology, leadership, administration, medicine etc

Saturn for foreign languages, service, labour management etc

Moon for singing, marine related degrees etc

-The association of the 12th lord and with any of the lords of 4,9,2,7 houses in D24 could indicate going abroad for study at that level.

- Another use of the D24 is for BTR or Birth Time Rectification. One of the BTR rules require the Pranapada Lagna to be in trines or 7th from Mercury or Venus in D24. The Pranapada Lagna’s position is provided in software such as JHora.

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[Khoo Hock Leong]

Notice the 5th house is not even mentioned in D24.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

MYTH OR FACT :

The Moon+Saturn is a spiritual yearning yoga since the mind is looking at its past, present and future karma. However, it is not a spiritual yoga per se.

Nevertheless the Lagna Lord is a spiritual prime mover, whatever the planet.

ANSWER
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True

Best Regards
Hock Leong