Importance of Yogas

[elipsis]

In my personal experience, there are three different kinds of yogas. Yogas that affect your personality and behavioural pattern, yogas triggered at birth and some yogas that require certain levels of planetary maturity to activate.

Merely possessing a yoga with the strongest planetary strength won't do the trick because without action there is no reaction, as such 90% of the yogas in a chart remain unused by the native. Sometimes, poor decision making deviates from the pattern required for a yoga to activate.

We'll see how it works out in that chart- let's take one conjunction as an example, Mercury and Saturn in the 2nd house.

1. Mercury in the 2nd obviously represents the gift of gab within family circles, a learner type personality, expert in language, grammar and detail oriented tasks.

2. Saturn is putting some restrictions to her speech, making her slightly more responsible, harsh and adding to her frustration - delaying the formation of a family.

3. Saturn creates practice iterations in the 2nd, leading to readjustment in the communication pattern especially with the opposite sex.

4. 6th from any planet shows restrictions that a planet is likely to face. Again in this chart Saturn plays a major role.

5. 9th from any planet shows the release from restrictions. In this case, the 10th lord at some point will come to rescue.

6. The 10th lord shows interests and karma, using this we can determine the choices the native is going to make in her life and by doing so we can tell if it is possible for a yoga to activate. The 10th lord venus is afflicted, 6th from venus is saturn causing more delays and frustration and the release involves the 4th lord mars.

7. Saturn is strengthened again in D9, a reinforced saturn in D9 is not a good combination for marriage. In general, a moderately strong saturn and strong venus in D9 is good for marriage.

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[shilpa]

dear fluid2finance,

--yes yogas are extremely important......especially in charts that are rather average looking Rasi charts but show extraordinary success.

--In such cases eitehr Navamsa stands out or there are brilliant yogas......and it is the hardest thing for average learners and students of atsrology like myself to pick--- the yogas.
because there are several thousands of them..to identify first and then to rememebr what they stand for is not easy.

--I have visited a number of local astrologers with knowledge traditionally passed down the generations and they make acurate predictions almost entirely looking at yogas...and all these yogas are mutiplied in possibilities when these "emperical" astrologers read the chart from the ascendant as well as the chandra lagna.

--what I have also found to be important is the frutification of yogas.......i.e the right dasa/anatra+ transitory trigger
--and the intensity of yogas.....denoted by the amsabala of the participating planets in dasavarga charts.

regards

[shilpa]

for the chart presented by you...

--the relationship is explained by this being a typical Manglik chart with mangal in the 4th....althouhg mitigated significantly by being in swakshetra.

--7 planets( except nodes) in 5 house is also a welath yoga..but for the intensity / depth of yoga you've gotta look at amsabala of the participating planets in dasavarga and only Mangals is moderatley strong with ana amsa =4 ...remainder 6 planets are very average to weak.

--However Mangal is blemished by being debilitaed in the navamsa....which take the happiness factor out of mangal's karkatwas, even if / when it will give material benefits.

--and given the level of unahppiness and mediocrity you have explained it appears very likely that her BT is about 4 minutes back at 5:21am...whihc will put the navamsa on the 1-7 axis of Ke-Rahu....and the navmsa chart also makes her manglik...with debilitated mangal moving to 12th.
actaully navamsa is pretty weak...means that even if good things come in life native won't be able to enjoy / appreciate them.

--Ketu is a known nusisance planet...the karmik-penance-karak and she has hit Ket MD in the peak of her youth...and not quite finished yet.

It is known to be a karmik curse manifestation.....those who have to encounter Ket MD in their teens or youth.
and Ketu sits in the nakshatra of Venus whihc ain't quite combust but severely afflicted sitting with bittern enemy sun.

--the ensuing Venus MD won't be great but better than Ket period especially for career matters....as it will bring out 1,3 and 10 house siginifction and will conincide with the 2nd return over Rahu-over Rahu at 37.2 age....rahu is quite srong in his own Nk.
and that age will conincde with Mars anatar whihc inspite of causing relatihion isses is her strongest planet....followed by Rahu anatra.....monetary and career matter will pick up...in that post 37.2 age of life.

--relationship sadly won't get much better.

the chart is delivering as much as promised....especially if BT is what I think it is and given the severe curtailment by malefic Ketu in the plum yerars of life.

regards

[elipsis]

However, on the contrary, like in this horoscope, both sun and mars are in own house in kendras with very high shadbalas. But none has been able to impart anything special to her. In most areas in life she is average at best and struggles to make ends meet

You are right that exalted and MK, own house planets do give finer and more honed qualities related to their portfolios in an individual. however I believe they do not by themselves impart elevation in life in terms of profession or finances or even personal life

Exactly, as I said - some yogas like strong mahapurusha in the ascendant mould the personality forcing the native to remain optimistic till the very end. And there are some yogas that are triggered at birth like Kusuma Yoga. Some are triggered by karma. Every planet will face initial restrictions - like venus in the 11th faces restrctions of the 4th house, these restrictions are removed by positive karma - like marriage. Exalted planets undergo several transformations before they reach their optimum state, like exalted jupiter cannot impart any yogas in children where as in adults it does rather well.

1) strong lagna and lagna lord placed well in dignity
2) combination of right planets in right houses. usually 1, 5, 9, 10 & 11 are the main houses for material prosperity of all kind. combining planets should have good shadbala AND should be well place in most vargas(divisionals) (dasa or ten varga number can be seen)
3) lords of 6, 8 and 12 should be much weaker than lords of 1, 5, 9, 10 and 11

I agree but sometimes the lords of evil houses own two houses. Like Venus for Sagittarius, if say venus is well placed in the 11th house it will trigger yogas post 30 years of age.

[anshulkaura]

Hi,
I will like to give a chart of my brother-in-law his jup.mars and sat is exalted and his life is totally mess.no work and depend upon other.Begging from sister and other relatives.All these problem had started from mercury dasha since then he is not working and depend upon other.I will advice to the members to tell the reason and his venus dasha is going to start in june so what will be the result.
Thankyou

[anshulkaura]

Hi,
thanks for reply .His detail is 18/oct.1954.5.45am amritsar.He is doing nothing almost more than 20 years.His wife is running beauty parlour and his sister whois living abroad helping a lot.

[anshulkaura]

Hi,
Thanks for reply.Yes now he got big eyes and teeth problem.

[bob_astrologer]

I agree but sometimes the lords of evil houses own two houses. Like Venus for Sagittarius, if say venus is well placed in the 11th house it will trigger yogas post 30 years of age.

Hi elipsis,

Can you give the reason for this underlined part?

[bob_astrologer]

Dude Fluid,

Elipsis is talking about those guys who have Venus in own sign in 11th house in particular.

[bob_astrologer]

Derail?

Well dude, I just asked a simple question to elipsis i.e. what kind of yoga gets activated if venus in own sign for sagi lagna. That's it. I am sure my question is relevant to your thread.

[elipsis]

Derail?

Well dude, I just asked a simple question to elipsis i.e. what kind of yoga gets activated if venus in own sign for sagi lagna. That's it. I am sure my question is relevant to your thread.

According to Bepin behari, Venus in 11th gives good results after 30 years. I found this to be true in at least two dozen cases. For sagittarius ascendant in particular- venus is a functional malefic in which case the results tend to be more visible.

But other factors have to be taken into account.

More at: http://barbarapijan.com/bpa/Graha/Shukr ... sthana.htm

[astrolearner15]

Derail?

Well dude, I just asked a simple question to elipsis i.e. what kind of yoga gets activated if venus in own sign for sagi lagna. That's it. I am sure my question is relevant to your thread.

According to Bepin behari, Venus in 11th gives good results after 30 years. I found this to be true in at least two dozen cases. For sagittarius ascendant in particular- venus is a functional malefic in which case the results tend to be more visible.

But other factors have to be taken into account.

More at: http://barbarapijan.com/bpa/Graha/Shukr ... sthana.htm

I have Venus in the 11th House MT (Sag lagna). I remember that my Venus AD was a difficult period for me. I am 23 and hopefully I will see results post the age of 30.
(15/09/89 13:53 Allahabad, India )

[elipsis]

Nice.

Fluid2finance wishes to maintain the fluidity of this thread so i cannot answer your query.

[anshulkaura]

Hi Fluid,
thanks for reply i totally agree with you that future does not look great as transit of ra/ketu and sat and dasha of maraka venus .I will like to know why from mercury dasha his life is like a begger No work no money.His two daughter got marriage in very god family but with the help from other.He was very dedicated to his mother and father who died in ketu dasha.Now tell me if there is any possibility for him to work again because now no one is ready to help them.He want to sale his own house but can not because of other partner.Why his life is so bad and any chance of geeting better

[Astrodude]

--Ketu is a known nusisance planet...the karmik-penance-karak and she has hit Ket MD in the peak of her youth...and not quite finished yet.

It is known to be a karmik curse manifestation.....those who have to encounter Ket MD in their teens or youth.
and Ketu sits in the nakshatra of Venus whihc ain't quite combust but severely afflicted sitting with bittern enemy sun.


regards

Hi Shilpa,

Can you explain in detail about Ketu being the Karmik-penance-Karak?
Because I have a few charts with Ketu running in the teenage years for a few people to slight variations in their dashas..

Regards,
Astrodude

[Astrodude]

In my personal experience, there are three different kinds of yogas. Yogas that affect your personality and behavioural pattern, yogas triggered at birth and some yogas that require certain levels of planetary maturity to activate.

Merely possessing a yoga with the strongest planetary strength won't do the trick because without action there is no reaction, as such 90% of the yogas in a chart remain unused by the native. Sometimes, poor decision making deviates from the pattern required for a yoga to activate.

We'll see how it works out in that chart- let's take one conjunction as an example, Mercury and Saturn in the 2nd house.

1. Mercury in the 2nd obviously represents the gift of gab within family circles, a learner type personality, expert in language, grammar and detail oriented tasks.

2. Saturn is putting some restrictions to her speech, making her slightly more responsible, harsh and adding to her frustration - delaying the formation of a family.

3. Saturn creates practice iterations in the 2nd, leading to readjustment in the communication pattern especially with the opposite sex.



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Hi Elipsis,

I know a person with an exalted mercury in 2nd house along with Sun and Venus. You know how the 2nd house Mercury gift works in his case? If he opens his mouth he'll start blabbering useless Sh#t non-stop; reaches extreme once he is drunk, which happens almost every day of the week! He is jobless and is crooked. You know he has a 12th house Jupiter with Ketu also.

Btw, you say 90% of the yogas remain unused by the native. I strongly oppose this. Did you do an analysis to come at this percentage figure?

When the proper dashas come, the corresponding yogas get activated no matter what, naturally. And the benefits or bad things that come out of the yogas are with respect to his current conditions.

Cheers,
Astrodude

[kalpaselva]

please look into the chart described below.
Leo ascendant: 4th and 9 th lord mars in Lagna.
venus got debilitated in 2nd house
but 7th lord saturn is exalted in 3rd house with mercury and deb sun.4th house got debilitated moon with ketu and jupiter.rahu in 10th house.
now running is venus MD with venus AD and Saturn PAD. marriage is getting materialised. let me know what is getting obsturcted even though he has got exalted 7th lord.

learned members kindly clarify.

[kalpaselva]

please look into the chart described below.
Leo ascendant: 4th and 9 th lord mars in Lagna.
venus got debilitated in 2nd house
but 7th lord saturn is exalted in 3rd house with mercury and deb sun.4th house got debilitated moon with ketu and jupiter.rahu in 10th house.
now running is venus MD with venus AD and Saturn PAD. marriage is not getting materialised. let me know what is getting obsturcted in marriage even though he has got exalted 7th lord.

learned members kindly clarify.kalpaselva
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