Vargotamma planet also Retrograde......effects???

[revribhav]

What you presume is not acceptable to all
in my personal experience a retrograde planet has an extra strenth
I have ketu in 5th vargottama
it is exalted in scorpio
The children make me a proud father

[The Lonely Wolf]

What you presume is not acceptable to all
in my personal experience a retrograde planet has an extra strenth
I have ketu in 5th vargottama
it is exalted in scorpio
The children make me a proud father

Greetings ji,

If a planet is retrograde and debilitated, will that make it auspicious(rise it to exaltation stage) ?

similarly, if retro and exalted, will it bring it down to debilitation?

This clear a lot of doubts for everyone.

Regards,
The Lonely Wolf

[revribhav]

Reply in general is NO
Exceptions are not ruled out.
The general dicta is that retrograde is a deviation from forward movement,the planet gets additional strength
The basic karaktva of planet does not change to such extreme.

[The Lonely Wolf]

How come if a planet is moving backward it gets additional strength ji?

So, if an exalted planet is retrograde, it does not lose its strength and will only give good results?

[swamykool]

When a planet is retro, cheshtabala (one component of shadbala) becomes very high.

[The Lonely Wolf]

When a planet is retro, cheshtabala (one component of shadbala) becomes very high.

So exaltation does not become debilitation and vice versa?

[swamykool]

LW,

No, that is pure nonsense. But retro planets often behave in reverse manner to their inherent nature. Giving one instance. If Saturn is retro, then all things connected to the karaktatwas and Lordships of Sat in a chart, may happen either too early (when the person is not ready) or too late (when it is practically useless).

Sat gives dark complexion and an aged look. Retro Sat influencing the Lg may give a much lighter complexion and a younger than usual look. So on...

[adity]

LW,

No, that is pure nonsense. But retro planets often behave in reverse manner to their inherent nature. Giving one instance. If Saturn is retro, then all things connected to the karaktatwas and Lordships of Sat in a chart, may happen either too early (when the person is not ready) or too late (when it is practically useless).

Sat gives dark complexion and an aged look. Retro Sat influencing the Lg may give a much lighter complexion and a younger than usual look. So on...

Dear Swamykool,

Is this as per your experience? Haven't heard of something like this. Kindly clarify if its ok.

[The Lonely Wolf]

Hey Swamikool,

I read this from the ebook u gave me (by kalidas) ... It says a retro planet debilitated acts like an exalted one! :-/

[revribhav]

A mere bookish knowledge may be,at its best, only half knowledge.


Adity,
I have saturn retrograde (7th-8th lord in the 8th) and on the basis of my personal experience let me ratify the effects described by Swamikool,

[adity]

Dear Revribhav,

Thank you for sharing that with us.

[swamykool]

adity,

Yes, this is as per my experience, but there are hints of such things in many texts.

[swamykool]

LW,

Tulsidas never wrote any book on astrology. He wrote the Ramcharitmanas. The book I gave you is Uttarakalamrita by Kalidas. The texts give many things which does not always work out in real practice. Maybe they are hints for something else, I really don't know. But nowhere have I seen a deb and retro planet acting like an exalted one or vice versa. Thats all I have to say.

SK

[The Lonely Wolf]

Sk,

Easy for you to say. B)

yeah right! Uttarakalamitra by Kalidas

TLW

[sathya prakash]

LW,

But retro planets often behave in reverse manner to their inherent nature. Giving one instance. If Saturn is retro, then all things connected to the karaktatwas and Lordships of Sat in a chart, may happen either too early (when the person is not ready) or too late (when it is practically useless).

Sat gives dark complexion and an aged look. Retro Sat influencing the Lg may give a much lighter complexion and a younger than usual look. So on...

Hi SK ji,
then malefics give benefic result and vice versa ?
in one case where venus retro in leo lagna in vargottama.. what effects should we expect?

[The Lonely Wolf]

Hey sp machi,

Nothing like that.. malefics doesnt give benefic result and all

you can expect the venus related things to work in a twisted way

Regards,
The Lonely Wolf

[kalpaselva]

Here is the detail of chart having retro debilitated vargottama mars.

he is pisces ascendant with retro debilitated vargottama mars in 5th house. 5th lord moon in 4th house.
6th lord sun in 9th house with rahu and mercury. 2 and 9th lord mars is aspecting 11th house saturn and venus from 5th house.

how mars will react for him. is post graduation is possible? he is on his final year of graduation.
also 10th and lagna lord jupiter is in 7th house virgo. 10 h is aspected by moon from 4th house.
will he get the job immediately after completion of his graduation or there is any chance for higher studies. his running dasa is jupiter MD moon AD.

[neelkumar]

LW,

No, that is pure nonsense. But retro planets often behave in reverse manner to their inherent nature. Giving one instance. If Saturn is retro, then all things connected to the karaktatwas and Lordships of Sat in a chart, may happen either too early (when the person is not ready) or too late (when it is practically useless).

Sat gives dark complexion and an aged look. Retro Sat influencing the Lg may give a much lighter complexion and a younger than usual look. So on...

interesting..and..i quite agree.
in my chart, retro ju in sat's aq lagna..while sat in 5th house. hence, i am heavily influenced by both sat and ju.
yet, i am am very fair complexioned and slim!

[anuradha]

swamykool wrote:
LW,

No, that is pure nonsense. But retro planets often behave in reverse manner to their inherent nature. Giving one instance. If Saturn is retro, then all things connected to the karaktatwas and Lordships of Sat in a chart, may happen either too early (when the person is not ready) or too late (when it is practically useless).

Sat gives dark complexion and an aged look. Retro Sat influencing the Lg may give a much lighter complexion and a younger than usual look. So on...

I agree. If Jupiter is retrograde the person do not have the high purity of thought and action

[neelkumar]

I agree. If Jupiter is retrograde the person do not have the high purity of thought and action

Now that I humbly yet straight-forwardly disagree.

[anuradha]

I respect your views.

[neelkumar]

I respect your views.

The feelings are mutual. And the integrity is absolute!

[anuradha]

O.K. Just think, when some thing is moving[ seems to be] backward and its near the earth what could be the effect?

[neelkumar]

anuradha jee, irrespective of clockwise or anti clockwise revolutions, i guess the effect might just be the same. but then, retro behaviour of a planet seems to be mystical and there's lots of different yet profound yet worthwhile notions worth considering. this is one of the reasons, besides respecting your viewpoint, i didn't want to argue on this. but then, i know myself and i am very pure with my thinking process. look anuradha jee, because of this very purity and being not manipulative and not diplomatic, i am struggling at job interviews.

[tylorechandra]

From what I have noticed in my astrological experience, two things seem to happen when a planet is retro:

1. The planet becomes strong w.r.t karakatwa of the house of its placement.
2. If the retro planet is a benefic, its ASPECTS become less benefic. If malefic, they become less malefic !!
I am not able, at present to state specifically regarding their karakatwas related to ownership of houses.

TKC