hello everybody!!
my son was about to be born. I had the option to choose from a range of 6-7 days from oct. 22-oct. 28, 2004. I made charts for each day for every 1-1.5 hr i;e each time the asc. changes. However the planets were posited throughout the period in following rashis--
Sun,ME,Ket.--Libra( Sun neech, ME and KE combust)
VE,MA,JU--Virgo( VE neech)
SA--Cancer
RA--Aries
Moon--Pisces
Therefore I had the only option to choose the Asc. and the lordship of these planet/rashis in the chart. My sole criterion for choosing the time was the position of Lagnesh, the 9th and 10th lord.
For Aries asc. Virgo would fall in 6th house which meant that MA, the lagnesh would fall in 6th. Lord of 9th(and of 12th), JU would also fall in 6th though lord of 10th, Sa would fall in 4th in cancer.--Bad chart
For Taurus Asc. again lagnesh(and lord of 6th house), VE(neech), would be in 6th and 9th & 10thlord Sa would be in 3rd house--Bad chart
For Gemini Asc. Lagnesh ME would fall in the 5th(good) but 9th lord SA would be in 2nd house and 10th lord JU would suffer from Kendradhipati dosha being lord of 7th and 10th and posited in 4th.-- Not a good chart
For Cancer Asc. lagnesh Moon would fall in 9th(good), but 9th (and 6th) lord JU and 10th lord MA would fall in 3rd house.
For Leo Asc. again neech SU would fall in 3rd house whereas 9th lord, MA and 10th & 3rd lord ,VE would fall in 2nd house--bad chart.
For Virgo Asc. lagnesh and 10th lord, ME would fall in 2nd house and 2nd &9th lord would fall in lagna--not a very good chart.
For Libra Asc. lagnesh & 8th lord, VE would fall in 12th house, the 9th lord and 12th lord would be in lagna whereas 10th lord in 6th--bad chart
For Sco. Asc. lagnesh and 6th lord, MA would be in 11th while 9th lord, Mo in 5th(good) and 10th lord Sa in 12th--bad chart
For Sagg. Asc. lagnesh and 4th lord, JU would be in 10th (very good) but 9th lord SU and 10th lord ME are in 11th--nice chart
For Cap. Asc. Lagnesh SA is in the 7th house(directional strength), 9th & 6th lord in 10th and 10th and 5th lord in 9th( Dharmakarmadhipati Yoga)--Best chart acc. to me.
For Aqu. Asc. lagnesh in 6th , 4th&9th lord VE and 10th &3rd lord MA in 8th house--Bad chart
For Pisces Asc. lagnesh and 10th lord JU as well as 9th & 2nd lord MA in 7th house--nice chart
So as we have seen only three charts were good out of which I preferred the Cap. Asc. the most. Therefore i went for ceasarion delivery on DOB--25-10-2004, TOB-12:53 PM, POB--Dehradun. I would like to know whether my decision was right or wrong.
Now for the stengths and defects--
Lagnesh SA is vargottam in rashi and navamsa. RA in Radix in aries in friendly sign but aspects 10th house. Again Ketu is in 10th house though in a friendly sign. Presence of RA and KE(combust) in 4th and 10th are greatest defects but in navamsa both of them are exalted. would that lessen their bad influence or in other words be beneficial?? ME in 10th is combust but usually it is said that it is free from combustion. Is it True? VE is neech but its Depositer ME is in a friendly house in kendra and also VE is conjuct with JU the lord of its exaltation sign. Would that cause VE's neechbhanga?? Further SU as the lord of 8th is neech. in 10th . Is that a better condition or worse?
pls enlighten me on this matter.
I could have chosen the Sag. Asc. or the Pisces Asc. but the lure of the great exchange between 9th and 10th house and strong lagnesh prevented me from doing so. Moreover the MD of JU would never come in my son's life hence the Sagg. or Pisces Asc. could not fully produce its effects.
please enlighten me whether i have rightfully chosen the destiny of my child.
thank you
divya murti
could I possibly choose a better chart/destiny of my child?
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Respected Divya murti,
No chart is completely good or bad. Every chart contains this affliction or that. So you should not think that one chart could have been better than other. even the chart of Lord Rama, Lord Krishna carries afflictions then how humans like us can expect an affliction free chart.
Now instead of concentrating on "What should have been done" you should concentrate on "What should be done"
Second thing is that you should not think that the time was choosen by you. It was the time choosen by God himself. You was just the medium who convey the message. Remember that God has a plan for everyone, and He has one for you and your family too.
Another thing is that Ascendent in Rashi chart changes after every 2 hours, but results of a chart changes after every 2 minutes approx.
Please pardon me if I did hurt you.
Kind Regards
Atul
No chart is completely good or bad. Every chart contains this affliction or that. So you should not think that one chart could have been better than other. even the chart of Lord Rama, Lord Krishna carries afflictions then how humans like us can expect an affliction free chart.
Now instead of concentrating on "What should have been done" you should concentrate on "What should be done"
Second thing is that you should not think that the time was choosen by you. It was the time choosen by God himself. You was just the medium who convey the message. Remember that God has a plan for everyone, and He has one for you and your family too.
Another thing is that Ascendent in Rashi chart changes after every 2 hours, but results of a chart changes after every 2 minutes approx.
Please pardon me if I did hurt you.
Kind Regards
Atul
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anand10122000
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dear Dr. Atul,
thank you for your response. . You are quite true in that there are lots of other divisional charts/factors apart from the rashi chart, that influence the indivisual but don't you agree that the Rashi chart gives the broad spectrum of the level of life that would be enjoyed by the indivisual. It is the most important chart b'coz if the rashi chart dosn't promise something that cannot be obtained by the subsidary charts.
Please give your opinion as to which of the 12 possible charts that I've listed above is the best considering only the Rashi chart. Further I would request you and other members on the forum to please read the chart of my son and answer the queries in my last post. If something have to be correlated with my chart also here are my details--
DOB--10-12-1970; TOB--10:12 AM, POB--Allahabad, Sex-male
thank you
regards
Divya Murti
thank you for your response. . You are quite true in that there are lots of other divisional charts/factors apart from the rashi chart, that influence the indivisual but don't you agree that the Rashi chart gives the broad spectrum of the level of life that would be enjoyed by the indivisual. It is the most important chart b'coz if the rashi chart dosn't promise something that cannot be obtained by the subsidary charts.
Please give your opinion as to which of the 12 possible charts that I've listed above is the best considering only the Rashi chart. Further I would request you and other members on the forum to please read the chart of my son and answer the queries in my last post. If something have to be correlated with my chart also here are my details--
DOB--10-12-1970; TOB--10:12 AM, POB--Allahabad, Sex-male
thank you
regards
Divya Murti
You are right that rashi chart is the main chart. It is like a stem of the tree. But another truth is that a pattern that is visible in Rashi chart and is opposed in subsequent and relevant D-chart also holds less value.
AyHw, I will like to analyse your son's actual birth chart. I know you must have already cracked the code and most probably better than me, still i will like to have a thought of me
Kind Regards
Atul
AyHw, I will like to analyse your son's actual birth chart. I know you must have already cracked the code and most probably better than me, still i will like to have a thought of me
Kind Regards
Atul
"Difference between me and Him is that I think we are different"
Dear friend,
Most important thing is that your Son have one of the most powerful Rajyoga i.e exchange of 9L and 10L. and both are great friends to each others and both are strong in shadbala. Also venus is yogakarka for him. So gift him a diamond ring when he passes out his 10+2 Dispositor of Rahu and Ketu are in 9H and are associated with Rajayoga planets. it enhances the power of raja yoga. Although conj of ketu with Mercury gives more power to rajayoga but it is not good for native at personal level.
there are other similar raj yogas also. His Sun is debilitated, but it is getting Neechbhang, so making another rajyoga. Although 8L in 10H is not desired and it is further weakened by it's placement near Ketu. In D9 sun is making 6/8 relation with D9 lord saturn.
Mars is although malefic but it is well placed in Trine. also in D3 it is well placed. in D9 MArs is in 7H
Jupiter being 3L is good in 9H but it also carries 12Lp with him.
Moon is in 6H (apopklima) from sun, so he will be polite, wealthy hard working and skillful. Moon is in navamsha of Sun (natural friend) and is aspected by jupiter. It supports above yoga.
saturn is vargottama, also holds cancer in D3. His moon is in Uttrabhadra constellation.
Mars is also very well placed as per house ownership. But mars is badhak and it is associated with Maraka Jupiter which indicates that Their combined periods may be harmful for health. But luckily Mars dasha will start in 2082 and Mars-jup in 2083. So not much to worry i think.
Sarpa yoga is there, which can lead to losses for him from time to time. You need to work more on him manners, personality and attitude. try to make him as humble as possible without harming his self respect. God be with him.
give my Best wishes to him
kind Regards
Atul
Most important thing is that your Son have one of the most powerful Rajyoga i.e exchange of 9L and 10L. and both are great friends to each others and both are strong in shadbala. Also venus is yogakarka for him. So gift him a diamond ring when he passes out his 10+2
Dispositor of Rahu and Ketu are in 9H and are associated with Rajayoga planets. it enhances the power of raja yoga. Although conj of ketu with Mercury gives more power to rajayoga but it is not good for native at personal level.there are other similar raj yogas also. His Sun is debilitated, but it is getting Neechbhang, so making another rajyoga. Although 8L in 10H is not desired and it is further weakened by it's placement near Ketu. In D9 sun is making 6/8 relation with D9 lord saturn.
Mars is although malefic but it is well placed in Trine. also in D3 it is well placed. in D9 MArs is in 7H
Jupiter being 3L is good in 9H but it also carries 12Lp with him.
Moon is in 6H (apopklima) from sun, so he will be polite, wealthy hard working and skillful. Moon is in navamsha of Sun (natural friend) and is aspected by jupiter. It supports above yoga.
saturn is vargottama, also holds cancer in D3. His moon is in Uttrabhadra constellation.
Mars is also very well placed as per house ownership. But mars is badhak and it is associated with Maraka Jupiter which indicates that Their combined periods may be harmful for health. But luckily Mars dasha will start in 2082 and Mars-jup in 2083. So not much to worry i think.
Sarpa yoga is there, which can lead to losses for him from time to time. You need to work more on him manners, personality and attitude. try to make him as humble as possible without harming his self respect. God be with him.
give my Best wishes to him
kind Regards
Atul
"Difference between me and Him is that I think we are different"
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Dear Dr. Atul,
Thank you so much for all the pains taken to study my son's chart. After reading your analysis I feel quite satisfied to have been medium in GOD's wish choosing this chart for my son considering the very small range of options available to me.
Plz also throw some light upon the combustion of ME and MA. I 've read that ME and to some extant VE are free from the effects of combustion. What's your opinion? how far is it true? If not then how is ME as a combust planet going to behave in 10th? And MA which is definitely combust, would it have any power to produce any result good/bad and how would that effect the behaviour of RA which is posited in MA's sign Aries?
Further VE is debilitated But its depositer ME in is in Kendra in VE's Rashi Libra and also VE is conjunct with its Exaltation sign lord JU. Would that really lead to its Neechbhang?
How SU is neechbhang plz tell me; b'coz its depositer VE is itself debilitated.
one last thing I'm very perplexed to find that RA is in the Nakshatra of KE( Ashwani ) and KE is in the Nakshatra of RA( Swati ). What are its implications? This RA KE axis is troubling me the most although I find such Axis in charts of Bhairon Singh Shekhawat and Vasundhra Raje Scindia.
Plz reply to my queries whenever you get sufficient time.
thank you once again
regards
Divya Murti
Thank you so much for all the pains taken to study my son's chart. After reading your analysis I feel quite satisfied to have been medium in GOD's wish choosing this chart for my son considering the very small range of options available to me.
Plz also throw some light upon the combustion of ME and MA. I 've read that ME and to some extant VE are free from the effects of combustion. What's your opinion? how far is it true? If not then how is ME as a combust planet going to behave in 10th? And MA which is definitely combust, would it have any power to produce any result good/bad and how would that effect the behaviour of RA which is posited in MA's sign Aries?
Further VE is debilitated But its depositer ME in is in Kendra in VE's Rashi Libra and also VE is conjunct with its Exaltation sign lord JU. Would that really lead to its Neechbhang?
How SU is neechbhang plz tell me; b'coz its depositer VE is itself debilitated.
one last thing I'm very perplexed to find that RA is in the Nakshatra of KE( Ashwani ) and KE is in the Nakshatra of RA( Swati ). What are its implications? This RA KE axis is troubling me the most although I find such Axis in charts of Bhairon Singh Shekhawat and Vasundhra Raje Scindia.
Plz reply to my queries whenever you get sufficient time.
thank you once again
regards
Divya Murti
Dear Divya murti,
Plz also throw some light upon the combustion of ME and MA. I 've read that ME and to some extant VE are free from the effects of combustion.
[color=green]Mercury is considered combusted at a distance of 12 degrees and Mars at 17 degrees, this is a gross view. But there are many views, some consider a planet combusted only when it is in same nakshatra pada with sun, and some calculate combustion at 5 degree on either side of sun. In general, the more the planet away is from sun the lesser are the effects of combustion. So 12 and 17 degrees are to be considered at maximum limit and not the exact points of combustion. So if a planet is in same nakshatra pada with sun, then it is severy combusted, and as it moves awasy we say 5` or 10` the effects of combustion decreases.
In your son's chart, Mercury is at 12'30'' which is out of maximum limit, Also MArs is at 15' from Sun and in a different house, so this is also fairly safe I think and no effects of combustion should be considered.[/color]
Further VE is debilitated But its depositer ME in is in Kendra in VE's Rashi Libra and also VE is conjunct with its Exaltation sign lord JU. Would that really lead to its Neechbhang?
[color=green] Venus is getting neechbhanga, no doubt as Mercury is in Kendra from lagna[/color]
How SU is neechbhang plz tell me; b'coz its depositer VE is itself debilitated.
[color=green]Sun is getting neechbhanga, because it's dispositor is in kendra from moon and exaltation dispositor is in kendra from lagna. Also Sun rules a dusthana so it is better debilitated. Lords of dusthanas when debilitated are weak and less prone to cause harm. [/color]
RA is in the Nakshatra of KE( Ashwani ) and KE is in the Nakshatra of RA( Swati ). What are its implications? This RA KE axis is troubling me the most although I find such Axis in charts of Bhairon Singh Shekhawat and Vasundhra Raje Scindia.
[color=green]When nodes are associated (aspect or conjuction) with planets causing Rajayoga especially Dharma-karmadhipati rajayoga, then they intensify the results of Rajayoga and give a person the power. But since they are in not good signs for them and in not favourable houses, they can cause troubles at personal levels. I don't have birth dates of both the respected leaders, If you want to have a discussion on them please provide me birth details. And this axis does not trouble you alone, it trouble all of us, hahaha[/color]
Kind regards
Atul
Plz also throw some light upon the combustion of ME and MA. I 've read that ME and to some extant VE are free from the effects of combustion.
[color=green]Mercury is considered combusted at a distance of 12 degrees and Mars at 17 degrees, this is a gross view. But there are many views, some consider a planet combusted only when it is in same nakshatra pada with sun, and some calculate combustion at 5 degree on either side of sun. In general, the more the planet away is from sun the lesser are the effects of combustion. So 12 and 17 degrees are to be considered at maximum limit and not the exact points of combustion. So if a planet is in same nakshatra pada with sun, then it is severy combusted, and as it moves awasy we say 5` or 10` the effects of combustion decreases.
In your son's chart, Mercury is at 12'30'' which is out of maximum limit, Also MArs is at 15' from Sun and in a different house, so this is also fairly safe I think and no effects of combustion should be considered.[/color]
Further VE is debilitated But its depositer ME in is in Kendra in VE's Rashi Libra and also VE is conjunct with its Exaltation sign lord JU. Would that really lead to its Neechbhang?
[color=green] Venus is getting neechbhanga, no doubt as Mercury is in Kendra from lagna[/color]
How SU is neechbhang plz tell me; b'coz its depositer VE is itself debilitated.
[color=green]Sun is getting neechbhanga, because it's dispositor is in kendra from moon and exaltation dispositor is in kendra from lagna. Also Sun rules a dusthana so it is better debilitated. Lords of dusthanas when debilitated are weak and less prone to cause harm.
[/color]RA is in the Nakshatra of KE( Ashwani ) and KE is in the Nakshatra of RA( Swati ). What are its implications? This RA KE axis is troubling me the most although I find such Axis in charts of Bhairon Singh Shekhawat and Vasundhra Raje Scindia.
[color=green]When nodes are associated (aspect or conjuction) with planets causing Rajayoga especially Dharma-karmadhipati rajayoga, then they intensify the results of Rajayoga and give a person the power. But since they are in not good signs for them and in not favourable houses, they can cause troubles at personal levels. I don't have birth dates of both the respected leaders, If you want to have a discussion on them please provide me birth details. And this axis does not trouble you alone, it trouble all of us, hahaha[/color]
Kind regards
Atul
"Difference between me and Him is that I think we are different"
Also I will like to add a point that we usually take the meanings of Rajayoga and other term used in astrology as literally.
When we talk about rajayoga of 9L-10L it doesn't mean that the person having this yoga will be a king always. It have lot of other meanings.
like, It is believed that if such a yoga is present then it nullifies many other evils present in chart and those evil results are not witnessed.
similarly, rajayoga caused by neechbhanga, exchange of 9L,10L; association of kendras and konas; vipreet rajyogas etc all carries different meanings and also carries different results and manifestations.
Any way, i think that you should train your son to make a habit of feeding satnaja to Ants (he can sprinkle satnaja on anthill or at a place or park or near tree where ants live near your home) This will serve lot of purpose for him.
Good luck
When we talk about rajayoga of 9L-10L it doesn't mean that the person having this yoga will be a king always. It have lot of other meanings.
like, It is believed that if such a yoga is present then it nullifies many other evils present in chart and those evil results are not witnessed.
similarly, rajayoga caused by neechbhanga, exchange of 9L,10L; association of kendras and konas; vipreet rajyogas etc all carries different meanings and also carries different results and manifestations.
Any way, i think that you should train your son to make a habit of feeding satnaja to Ants (he can sprinkle satnaja on anthill or at a place or park or near tree where ants live near your home) This will serve lot of purpose for him.
Good luck
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anand10122000
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Dear Dr. Atul
Thank you for your such eye opening analysis. You are quite an expert in astrology. Are you a professional astrologer? or do you study for the spirit of inquiry? If you find time do visit barbarapijan dot com .It has exeptionally good material on astrology for experts like you.
As far as your advices are concerned I'll definitely follow it. One more thing that Su is conjuct with KE and aspected by RA. This should further subdue Sun's effect b'coz it is generally said that the nodes eclipse the Sun's rays. What do you say?
As regards charts of Bhairon s. Shekhawat and Vasundhra Raje I'll soon let you know their DOB. I had fumbled upon their details when I was searching the net for Sarpa Yoga. I'll 've to search again.
And you are very right in saying that we should not usually take the meanings of Rajayoga literally. There are many factors leading to the levels of fruition. In my personal experience I've found that the Mahadasha plays a very important part in this respect. Even if there is a strong Rajyoga in the chart as well as in the D-9 and D-10 and the Mahadasha of that planet is not occuring in proper lifetime of the native then it's result are heavily reduced. It's period as an antardasha is not effective to that extent though it does give its effect at lesser level. In most of the charts of big people I've found this applicable.
It has been exhilirating experience talking to you. Do keep in touch.
Kind Regards,
Divya Murti
Thank you for your such eye opening analysis. You are quite an expert in astrology. Are you a professional astrologer? or do you study for the spirit of inquiry? If you find time do visit barbarapijan dot com .It has exeptionally good material on astrology for experts like you.
As far as your advices are concerned I'll definitely follow it. One more thing that Su is conjuct with KE and aspected by RA. This should further subdue Sun's effect b'coz it is generally said that the nodes eclipse the Sun's rays. What do you say?
As regards charts of Bhairon s. Shekhawat and Vasundhra Raje I'll soon let you know their DOB. I had fumbled upon their details when I was searching the net for Sarpa Yoga. I'll 've to search again.
And you are very right in saying that we should not usually take the meanings of Rajayoga literally. There are many factors leading to the levels of fruition. In my personal experience I've found that the Mahadasha plays a very important part in this respect. Even if there is a strong Rajyoga in the chart as well as in the D-9 and D-10 and the Mahadasha of that planet is not occuring in proper lifetime of the native then it's result are heavily reduced. It's period as an antardasha is not effective to that extent though it does give its effect at lesser level. In most of the charts of big people I've found this applicable.
It has been exhilirating experience talking to you. Do keep in touch.
Kind Regards,
Divya Murti
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Nodes reduce the sun's effects. But further it need to be studied that does this reduction is good or bad for the native. Here since sun is 8th lord it is better to have it's results reduced.
But as usual, like other placements in chart, it comes at a cost. This combination may blur the perspective toward self. Native may also be doubtful what he actually wants in life and may also make person take irresponsible decisions in life. Although he may be inclined towards spiritualism but rajsic and tamsic inclinations always persist. Well there can be many other interpretations for this.
Regards
But as usual, like other placements in chart, it comes at a cost. This combination may blur the perspective toward self. Native may also be doubtful what he actually wants in life and may also make person take irresponsible decisions in life. Although he may be inclined towards spiritualism but rajsic and tamsic inclinations always persist. Well there can be many other interpretations for this.
Regards
"Difference between me and Him is that I think we are different"
For Rajayoga, if a rajyoga is strong, and well placed planets and strong lagna is there rajyoga may give results throughout the life.
If planets are not strong enough then results may be seen only in dasha period
Your chart is interesting, if you want to discuss please post your birth details
Regards
If planets are not strong enough then results may be seen only in dasha period
Your chart is interesting, if you want to discuss please post your birth details
Regards
"Difference between me and Him is that I think we are different"
