Debilitated Malefics - What does this mean?

[sonali.shah]

Hi All,

I came across a rasi chart where Rahu, Ketu, and Mars were debilitated. Rahu in Dhanu, Ketu in Mithuna, and Mars in Karaka.
Does the debilitation of malefics reduce their malfeasance during their dasas/antardasas?
I know you'll need more details, but I am only looking to understand the concept in general.

Regards,

SS

[sonali.shah]

Anyone?

[Ghrishneswar]

Weak malefics - going by intution ..seems to be good, but they are not.
Debilitated planets magnify negative traits associated with planets. Any positive traits are lost.
Weak mars may make you coward, angry , devoid of energy, blood related problems.
Weak Saturn - lack of patience, preseverance, endurance etc.
Debilitated nodes Rahu and ketu when weak in kendra do confer some kind of rajayoga,, i cannot recall that...

[sonali.shah]

Thank you.

[Ghrishneswar]

Shrikanth,

Functional malefics when debilitated can confer rajayoga. We know that from VRY and Great Parashari exception.
1) Is that true in navamsa?
2) Does it neecha state still cause decrease in significations of the planet? (but may still be blessing)
3) What about natural benefics as functional malefics? Are they equally good like debilitated Venus for Dhanu lagna.

[vairagya]

dear shrikanth,

long time... how are you ?

i have this question and have asked many times in this forum but havent got a reply.

what about mars debilitated in ninth house for scorpio lagna ?
how would it behave ?

i have deb mars in navamsa conjunct saturn in 9th house.

regards
vairagya

[sonali.shah]

Thanks for the explanation.

Dear Sonali.Shah,

From a superficial perspective Natural malefics debilitated may seem a blessing - but its not quite true.
But if they are functional malefics as well then it is truely a blessing.

For example if for Cancer or Leo Ascendant Mars is debilitated - then its somewhat of a misfortune
since Mars is a Yogakaraka for his lagna. Yes - there is potential for a Neechabhanga rajayoga etc.,
but it has a chance of loss of fortune, luck or may need to live away in far off land with major expenses
and little happiness in his life.

But say for Virgo Ascendant Mars is debilitated in the 11th house - this is without a doubt a great blessing.
Mars is a full functional malefic and also being a natural malefic he being placed in the 11th house is a powerful
combination for good material prosperity.

I hope this helps you understand the underlying basis of how debilitation works in general.

Regards
Shrikanth

[Ghrishneswar]

Thanks Shrikanth.

[sonali.shah]

Thanks Shrikanth. Will you also be kind enough to comment on malefics as Yogada, Mahayogada, and Yogakaraka. I've seen charts where Ketu, Rahu, and Shani are the Yogada, Mahayogada, and Yogakaraka respectively.
Regards,

Sonali Shah

[vairagya]

dear shrikanth,

thankyou for your reply !

in my case navamsa has scorpio lagna and mars is deb in 9th house conjunct saturn.

the moon is vargottama and strong .

i want to know, as you said, how come mars deb . is good for scorpio lagna ?
i am resourceful ,yes! in business if import of foods etc. and also very hard working but have a bad temper... my temper is more of internal
anger and not martian kinds of taking a baseball bat and thrashing around people in anger.

if you take ketu as lord of navamsa lagna , in my case it is in 6th house aries.

regards
vairagya

[vairagya]

shrikanth !

i remember somebody once telling me that deb mars in cancer and also saturn in cancer
gives a lot of money.

this is because mars in cancer is like mars+moon yoga, which promises a lot of money.
is this right ?

vairagya

[Nitin21]

Dear Sonali,

Evil planets do more harm when debiliated. So, if they are in such state it is good if they are in dusthanas.. so that they can destroy that house. Secondly Rahu exalts in Taurus and Ketu in Scorpio per BPHS.

Regards
Sonu

Hi All,

I came across a rasi chart where Rahu, Ketu, and Mars were debilitated. Rahu in Dhanu, Ketu in Mithuna, and Mars in Karaka.
Does the debilitation of malefics reduce their malfeasance during their dasas/antardasas?
I know you'll need more details, but I am only looking to understand the concept in general.

Regards,

SS

[Ghrishneswar]

Rahu exaltataion is a tricky subject Ra is cionsidered exalted in Ge and Ke in Sg by some.

[Nitin21]

Its no more tricky if you refer the highest of all Jyotish texts i.e. BPHS.

[Ghrishneswar]

Astrosonu, are you sure that BPHS has defined exaltation sign of Ra and Ke clearly, I am sure about their own house but exaltation .. not very clear??? All I have read is translation. Not sure how reliable is that.

[Nitin21]

Ghrishneswar - PArasara considers Rahu as exalted in Taurus and Ketu in Scorpio. Rest all I can say are man made theories and not as per classic dictums.

Regards
Sonu

[sonali.shah]

Thank you all for taking time to respond.

Best.

[ncvashi]

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[ncvashi]

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[StraightBliss]

Dear Sonali.Shah,

From a superficial perspective Natural malefics debilitated may seem a blessing - but its not quite true.
But if they are functional malefics as well then it is truely a blessing.

For example if for Cancer or Leo Ascendant Mars is debilitated - then its somewhat of a misfortune
since Mars is a Yogakaraka for his lagna. Yes - there is potential for a Neechabhanga rajayoga etc.,
but it has a chance of loss of fortune, luck or may need to live away in far off land with major expenses
and little happiness in his life.

But say for Virgo Ascendant Mars is debilitated in the 11th house - this is without a doubt a great blessing.
Mars is a full functional malefic and also being a natural malefic he being placed in the 11th house is a powerful
combination for good material prosperity.

I hope this helps you understand the underlying basis of how debilitation works in general.

Regards
Shrikanth

I am also wondering why a debilitated mars would be good for a virgo ascendant. It is a functional malefic for this ascendant. Wouldn't it display all kinds of negative results? How could it produce positive results? I read about mars debilitated in the 11th house on different websites and it has nothing good to say. Would you or anyone please clear this up for us.

I am a virgo ascendant with mars debilitated alone in the 11th house in Pushya nakshatra, also with saturn alone in the 5th house mutually aspecting it in its own sign. What is the result of this?

[milredr]

Hi

Why don't you tell us how its been for u. U have a deb mars in the 11th. Has it impacted gains? How are you financially? Hows ur relationship with ur older siblings if any? How is ur relationship with ur friends etc. Anything that can help.


Mars rules the 8th house for Virgo. How does a deb mars affect longevity?

I am a virgo asc too with an exalted Mars in the 5th

[kalpaselva]

Learned members,

my cousin - Pisces Ascendent has retrograde,debilitated mars in 5th house cancer and also vargotamma. As the lord of 2nd and 9th house how this debilitated mars will act. Sun, Rahu and Mercury occupies 9th house scorpio.In Navamsa, lagna is libra and in 10 house mars is along with saturn.

what will be the effect of mars in this chart?

[StraightBliss]

Hi

Why don't you tell us how its been for u. U have a deb mars in the 11th. Has it impacted gains? How are you financially? Hows ur relationship with ur older siblings if any? How is ur relationship with ur friends etc. Anything that can help.


Mars rules the 8th house for Virgo. How does a deb mars affect longevity?

I am a virgo asc too with an exalted Mars in the 5th

Well just recently I have found that I have NeechaBhanga Raj Yoga because the lord of the debilitated planet which is moon (Mars in Cancer) is in kendra. My moon is in the 4th house which is kendra as well as its own house. And my saturn is in its own sign in the 5th house mutually aspecting mars in cancer in the 11th house with their 7th aspects. And Capricorn is the excelled sign of Mars so that helps too.

As for what I have noticed with my placement, I have not had any problem with gains although I am only 20 years old still. I will be starting my moon mahadasha at the end of this month and that will go on for 10 years. Then I will go through 7 years of Mars mahadasha which I am curious how these dashas will be for me because they are both part of the Neech Bhang.

[Aravind]

Hi All,

I came across a rasi chart where Rahu, Ketu, and Mars were debilitated. Rahu in Dhanu, Ketu in Mithuna, and Mars in Karaka.
Does the debilitation of malefics reduce their malfeasance during their dasas/antardasas?
I know you'll need more details, but I am only looking to understand the concept in general.

Regards,

SS

Debilitated planets in 3H,6H,8H and 12H do well especially if the lagna lord is strong or if this debilitated planet aspects the lagna or LL. I have personally seen that natural benefics when debilitated in 3,6,8,12H give better results. Not really sure if the same logic applies to natural malefics like Rahu.Ketu,Mars or Saturn.

Thanks
Aravind