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As far as I know based on observation (plus corroboration of texts in Vedic and Tropical) :
Tropical Astrology
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(1) Tropical Astrology is useful for delimiting a person's external character. In addition, Lily a Tropical Astrologer in the early twentieth century, has detailed a list of all the planets (from the Sun to Pluto) in various sign positions and then listing the characters when found in the Ascendant or ruler of Ascendant found in such a tropical sign.
Pluto in Gemini, for example, gives someone with an unorthodox future vision of society.
To look at the outward manifestation of the character of a person, Tropical Astrology is invaluable.
(2) Tropical Astrology is useful for transit purposes without reference to the Houses of an individual chart (although Vedic Astrology do play some part in this as well). It can thus indicate world trends and the start of some major event especially the outer planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.
Sidereal Astrology (Vedic)
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(1) Vedic Astrology delimits a person's inner character (his soul - with the Sun indicating his ultimate soul in Vedic). Thus if a person is Tropical Taurus, he is fixed in opinion, has his set ways of doing things etc - all outward manifestation of his characteristics. But in Vedic he is classified as an Aires, someone who is afraid of diseases, can't swim well, afraid of injuries (both literally and figuratively) done on him etc. - something which you cannot discern immediately but only through long term association with him.
(2) Vedic Astrology takes centre stage when planetary positions and transits are made with reference to Houses (although Tropical Astrology does contribute to some meaning of the Houses to some extent but they can also be derived indirectly from Vedic - an example would be the Third House can also rule speech as stated in Tropical by considering the Third House is the Second House of the Second).
Thus if you want to see the fate of the person (which involve houses), then Sidereal signs is the one you should go for.
(3) Vedic Astrology has a good system of prediction. It also has some esoteric principles which Tropical does not know. As for Tropical Astrology studies of Harmonic Charts, this can be easily obtained from Vedic's divisional chart analysis.
Regards
Hock Leong
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Hi Hsitoyj
In my previous post I did say that Vedic Astrology can also indicate world trends by their transits. But the emphasis is more on the Nakshatras rather than the Sidereal signs although Sidreal signs may play their part as well (for example I read in a magazine a Vedic astrologer asks his readers to do some chants because Jupiter, the Guru, is now entering Capricorn in sidereal sign, the sign of its fall).
But from my observations the emphasis is more on the Nakshatras because they are constellations whose positions are fixed in heavens whether in sidereal or tropical signs. Also a lot of evidence point to their importance for such transits.
(1) In World War II, Uranus, Saturn Jupiter followed neck to neck (sometimes two of them form a conjunction) in the Nakshatra Krittika, the warrier Nakshatra. Atomic bombs with their incendiary effects were made and used. Everytime one of the outer planets transit a Nakshatra and joined by one of the inner planets with long transit duration like Jupiter and Saturn, the effects are pronounced.
(2) World War I started when Pluto entered Ardra, the Nakshatra signifying the breaking of binds. World War I was an affair involving men in trenches and there was a long spell to break the stalemate in the war front.
(3) When Pluto conjunct Neptune in Krittika around 1892 (and also a few years before and few years after) no war started. Neptune is a peaceful planet. Also in Tropical Astrology conjunction between Neptune and Pluto hearlded a Brave New World (using the term in Adolf Huxley book). There was an exhbition in Paris showcasing the world's technology to date. People were very hopeful of the 20th century.
(4) Our recent spending spree besides being denoted by Pluto in Sagittarius, can also be due to Uranus and Neptune transiting in Dhanista. Untold riches were created out of nothing. Just before the financial bust, Saturn in Pushya also added to the fuel.
(5) Pluto in Pushya during and just after World War II, fueled the US economy and then the whole world economy through the New Deal. The US provided the necssary nourishment for the world economy to pick up again. Kennedy came in when Uranus was in Pushya - someone to take US into a new era where he mentioned in his speech about the US overlooking a new frontier (can't exactly remember his speech).
With regards to your query about the book, I would like to add what I surmised. A lot of the Aryans and other sub-groups in the Indian sub-continent must have made use of the Silk Road in olden times for overland trading with Europe. As the Europeans came into contact with these traders, they came to learn about Astrology. But Europeans were more attuned to things like the Summer and Winter Solstice when planning their agricultrual plantings unlike the traders from the Indian sub-continent who has elaborate predictive techniques concerning when to plant for eg. they believe when the Sun entered Ardra, the Earth was fat (a lot of water) and it would not be wise to start placing seeds at that time.
Hence the Europeans came up with Tropical Astrology. And Tropical Astrology helped to predict the Black Death, the end of the reign of Catholicsim in the affairs of the King etc. But of course it was not entirely accurate where chart analyses are concerned. Hence it should come as no surprise if you find a book, that got Tropical and Sidereal astrology mixed up.
Regards
Hock Leong
In my previous post I did say that Vedic Astrology can also indicate world trends by their transits. But the emphasis is more on the Nakshatras rather than the Sidereal signs although Sidreal signs may play their part as well (for example I read in a magazine a Vedic astrologer asks his readers to do some chants because Jupiter, the Guru, is now entering Capricorn in sidereal sign, the sign of its fall).
But from my observations the emphasis is more on the Nakshatras because they are constellations whose positions are fixed in heavens whether in sidereal or tropical signs. Also a lot of evidence point to their importance for such transits.
(1) In World War II, Uranus, Saturn Jupiter followed neck to neck (sometimes two of them form a conjunction) in the Nakshatra Krittika, the warrier Nakshatra. Atomic bombs with their incendiary effects were made and used. Everytime one of the outer planets transit a Nakshatra and joined by one of the inner planets with long transit duration like Jupiter and Saturn, the effects are pronounced.
(2) World War I started when Pluto entered Ardra, the Nakshatra signifying the breaking of binds. World War I was an affair involving men in trenches and there was a long spell to break the stalemate in the war front.
(3) When Pluto conjunct Neptune in Krittika around 1892 (and also a few years before and few years after) no war started. Neptune is a peaceful planet. Also in Tropical Astrology conjunction between Neptune and Pluto hearlded a Brave New World (using the term in Adolf Huxley book). There was an exhbition in Paris showcasing the world's technology to date. People were very hopeful of the 20th century.
(4) Our recent spending spree besides being denoted by Pluto in Sagittarius, can also be due to Uranus and Neptune transiting in Dhanista. Untold riches were created out of nothing. Just before the financial bust, Saturn in Pushya also added to the fuel.
(5) Pluto in Pushya during and just after World War II, fueled the US economy and then the whole world economy through the New Deal. The US provided the necssary nourishment for the world economy to pick up again. Kennedy came in when Uranus was in Pushya - someone to take US into a new era where he mentioned in his speech about the US overlooking a new frontier (can't exactly remember his speech).
With regards to your query about the book, I would like to add what I surmised. A lot of the Aryans and other sub-groups in the Indian sub-continent must have made use of the Silk Road in olden times for overland trading with Europe. As the Europeans came into contact with these traders, they came to learn about Astrology. But Europeans were more attuned to things like the Summer and Winter Solstice when planning their agricultrual plantings unlike the traders from the Indian sub-continent who has elaborate predictive techniques concerning when to plant for eg. they believe when the Sun entered Ardra, the Earth was fat (a lot of water) and it would not be wise to start placing seeds at that time.
Hence the Europeans came up with Tropical Astrology. And Tropical Astrology helped to predict the Black Death, the end of the reign of Catholicsim in the affairs of the King etc. But of course it was not entirely accurate where chart analyses are concerned. Hence it should come as no surprise if you find a book, that got Tropical and Sidereal astrology mixed up.
Regards
Hock Leong
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Hi Historyj
I forgot to add that Pluto now transiting in Moola cause a lot of unexpected disasters like the Mumbai blasts, the milk powder scandeal in Chaina etc.
Regards
Hock Leong
I forgot to add that Pluto now transiting in Moola cause a lot of unexpected disasters like the Mumbai blasts, the milk powder scandeal in Chaina etc.
Regards
Hock Leong
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Hi everyone,
I would like to add something to the discussion of tropical versus sidereal astrology.
During my readings and in this forum itself I have found the fact stressed repeatedly that we cannot make predictions based on just one planet or just one rashi. If this is the case for a single person's chart, then how on earth can we make predictions for the whole world based on what planet is going to transit what rashi?? Shouldn't all the other planets, their positions, their aspects/exaltation/debiltation etc be taken into consideration?
But people so easily say, ok pluto is transiting whatever sign thus this is going to happen. If this were the case, then why stress the fact that all the planets have to be taken into consideration while making predictions. And we haven't even gotten into the divisional charts of the world (which we go into while making accurate predictions about a single person).
My personal view about tropical astrology isn't that hot. It might be because of Darren Brown and other similar people who have debunked it. This is the link to the youtube video if anyone wants to watch it: www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=haP7Ys9ocTk (You can also search for Darren Brown Astrology in youtube). I have had tropical astrology readings done and they can be likened to a reading done by Darren Brown -- that is very general statements.
Do not get me wrong, I really like astrology and I wish to study it just for it's sake alone and not for profit or anything. But astrology right now is in a sorry state. I say sorry state because most astrologers predict world events that do not even come true. But after an event occurs they easily point out why the event occurred! To predict after something happens, even I can do that!
So I would like to stress the fact that we cannot and should not predict based on just one planet transiting one sign without viewing all the modifications that are going on.
If anyone wants to analyze my horoscope please feel free to do so. It would be very interesting for me as well
I would like to know why I have to comment whenever I see something that I believe could be improved.
My DOB is: 1980 November 28, 2:25 AM, Kathmandu, NEPAL.
Regards,
GarbageGigo
I would like to add something to the discussion of tropical versus sidereal astrology.
During my readings and in this forum itself I have found the fact stressed repeatedly that we cannot make predictions based on just one planet or just one rashi. If this is the case for a single person's chart, then how on earth can we make predictions for the whole world based on what planet is going to transit what rashi?? Shouldn't all the other planets, their positions, their aspects/exaltation/debiltation etc be taken into consideration?
But people so easily say, ok pluto is transiting whatever sign thus this is going to happen. If this were the case, then why stress the fact that all the planets have to be taken into consideration while making predictions. And we haven't even gotten into the divisional charts of the world (which we go into while making accurate predictions about a single person).
My personal view about tropical astrology isn't that hot. It might be because of Darren Brown and other similar people who have debunked it. This is the link to the youtube video if anyone wants to watch it: www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=haP7Ys9ocTk (You can also search for Darren Brown Astrology in youtube). I have had tropical astrology readings done and they can be likened to a reading done by Darren Brown -- that is very general statements.
Do not get me wrong, I really like astrology and I wish to study it just for it's sake alone and not for profit or anything. But astrology right now is in a sorry state. I say sorry state because most astrologers predict world events that do not even come true. But after an event occurs they easily point out why the event occurred! To predict after something happens, even I can do that!
So I would like to stress the fact that we cannot and should not predict based on just one planet transiting one sign without viewing all the modifications that are going on.
If anyone wants to analyze my horoscope please feel free to do so. It would be very interesting for me as well
I would like to know why I have to comment whenever I see something that I believe could be improved.My DOB is: 1980 November 28, 2:25 AM, Kathmandu, NEPAL.
Regards,
GarbageGigo
