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akanksha2807 » Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:23 pm

Yellow ji,

I am talking only in case of Lord Saturn exalted in libra lagna. From there, he casts debilitated aspect on 7th house. that's why. However, if you have a horoscope which has this combination and yet the native got married very early ?


Deeps ji,

My sis in law got married at the age of 23, she has debiliated saturn in 7th house. Why is it so? Her 7th lord ras is in 3rd house with parivartan to jupiter in second house.
How has been the marriage life so far?

There is a good parivartan yoga with 7th Lord and 2nd house, so this has definitely acted as a Blessings to her.
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akanksha2807 » Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:27 pm

Akanksha ji,

what are the placement of planets in natal chart? [/color][/b]


Deeps ji,

Mer is with Sun in 6th house and Mars is debilitated in 9th house, Scorpio lagna.
Where is the 5th Lord and any malefic aspect on that house and on 5th Lord?
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No problem yellow ji. :)
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Hi Aseem,

I have not read the entire discussion; just responding to the comment quoted below by you.

Krishnendudas above has exalted Saturn in Libra Lagna. While reading his chart last year, this is exactly the argument I gave - that Saturn has a debilitating aspect on 7th and malefic aspect on 10th. Hence, the problems in his relationships and job prospects in Engineering. Therefore, I suggested he should change to banking or management.

However, I was told by some other members on the forum that my reading method was not correct and exalted Saturn should have a benefic aspect on all the houses it aspects - just because it happens to be exalted.

I doubt this, but am open to accept it if I see this happening in some people's charts having exalted Saturn in Lagna.

Now, he has got a job in Reserve Bank of India. We have to see if and when he gets married and in which planet's Dasha combination. You can have a look at his chart.

Personally, I give as much importance to 2nd house for marriage as to the 7th house. In a chart having exalted Saturn in Lagna, if the 2nd house is not afflicted, I feel the person should marry in the Dasha combination of the 2nd Lord or of the benefic planet influencing the 2nd house. In Krishnendudas' chart, Mars has a benefic influence on his 2nd house. So, we have to see if my hypothesis comes true.

In current transit also, this may apply to Libra Lagna people if Saturn is strong in their charts - it may or may not bring marriage, but it should either bring marriage prospects - if these other members were right, or problems in relationships - if you and I are right. But of course, 7th house in Lagna chart and Mahadasha running also is important.

Well, I do hope I was wrong about this. :)

I am talking only in case of Lord Saturn exalted in libra lagna. From there, he casts debilitated aspect on 7th house. that's why. However, if you have a horoscope which has this combination and yet the native got married very early ?
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Where is the 5th Lord and any malefic aspect on that house and on 5th Lord?
5th lord is in 4th house.

But my question was what if the er-mars cobination is in d24 chart and not in d1 chart then what does it signify?
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Saindhavi wrote:In current transit also, this may apply to Libra Lagna people if Saturn is strong in their charts - it may or may not bring marriage, but it should either bring marriage prospects - if these other members were right, or problems in relationships - if you and I are right. But of course, 7th house in Lagna chart and Mahadasha running also is important.
I will give feedback on this as I am Libra ascendant myself. 8)
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How has been the marriage life so far?

There is a good parivartan yoga with 7th Lord and 2nd house, so this has definitely acted as a Blessings to her.
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I would say marriage was a difficult one. But yes her career bloomed after marriage and also wealth.
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akanksha2807 » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:11 am

Where is the 5th Lord and any malefic aspect on that house and on 5th Lord?


5th lord is in 4th house.

But my question was what if the er-mars cobination is in d24 chart and not in d1 chart then what does it signify?
Can you please provide the birth details?

I normally don't see divisional charts. I am only trying to perfect the art of reading the main chart.
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Personally, I give as much importance to 2nd house for marriage as to the 7th house. In a chart having exalted Saturn in Lagna, if the 2nd house is not afflicted, I feel the person should marry in the Dasha combination of the 2nd Lord or of the benefic planet influencing the 2nd house. In Krishnendudas' chart, Mars has a benefic influence on his 2nd house. So, we have to see if my hypothesis comes true.
Saindhavi ji,

If I am not mistaken, 2nd house belongs to one's own parents and not parents of girls and also not married partner. But as 7th Lord in 2nd house can denote a rich wife as 2nd house is the house of wealth also. That's why I don't consider this house while predicting marriage date for a native.

In Krishnen's case, 7th Lord is in 2nd house which shows his wife will be from good financial background as 2nd house also rules wealth. But since he has malefics in 2nd house, he will have good wealth in later part of life.
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Aseem,

Try to understand the logic of the 2nd house. It is said 2nd house is the house of family. You, your parents make a family. Suppose you marry, have children, you create a new family, isn't it? So that is why marriage is seen from 2nd house as marriage means self-created family. And it is not my logic. I have read it in an article/book of either K.N. Rao, or some student of K.N. Rao, but I can't remember exactly which book/article it was where I have read it, so I can't give proof. Anuradha ji, I think, can help us here as she has been a student of K.N. Rao.
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Not sure but maybe anuradha ji can shed some light on this.
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Yeah, hope she will.
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by Saindhavi » Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:34 pm

However, I was told by some other members on the forum that my reading method was not correct and exalted Saturn should have a benefic aspect on all the houses it aspects - just because it happens to be exalted.
saindhaviji...how do u rate my saturn? its lord of 10/11H n placed in 6H...

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I am talking only in case of Lord Saturn exalted in libra lagna. From there, he casts debilitated aspect on 7th house. that's why. However, if you have a horoscope which has this combination and yet the native got married very early ?
after reading this , i remembered that last yr saindhavi ji said about this debiliating aspect on 7th H when i was repeatedly questioning her regarding some love relation . i was about to write this but i found that saindhavi ji has already written this .

ok aseem ji , i have seen that apart from you , saindhavi ji also believes in this debiliating aspect of Sa .

saindhavi ji ,

as you have said Sa has bad aspect on 10th H but would like to point out one thing that maybe there was much delay in getting job but i have felt that Sa periods are always better than other .

See during Ju-Ke 2/12 in D1 and 8/6 in D10 , when not much should happen regarding career , i cleared the all india written exam during Ju-Ke-Sa period , also during engineering in Ju-Sa period i secured much more marks than ever before and each and everybody in college knew me because of my good programming skills .

So i think , in my case Sa delays but only to give better result in the end .

Please note , now this is Sa return for my chart and it is aspecting 10th H from it's exalted position . So if it had bad aspect it would have furthur delayed my unemployment , i think . Rather when everybody was trying to demoralize me to get some low paying job , i never listened to them and kept on appearing for competetive exams , so i think although Sa delays but only to give good result in the end .
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yellow ji ,
I will give feedback on this as I am Libra ascendant myself.
where is Sa in your chart ?
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this is a chart of my friend

18th july 1986 , 9.05 am , kolkata , india

is it possible to predict about his mother from his chart ?

his mother had dengue fever in end of oct . but then never recovered . was admitted to hospital , stayed there for a week . then discharged . doctor's could not diagnose the problem , thought it was weakness of dengue fever . now they have found that her gallblader is getting smaller and operation is needed - what operation , i don't know .

main problem is she cannot sleep even with sleeping pills and haven't slept for 1 month now and attempting suicide and people at home are very tensed about her .

He is going through sade sati !

Another thing is , he has also got job in RBI along with me but look at the position of Su in his chart , it is in the 12th H !
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by krishnendu12das » 101212

this is a chart of my friend

18th july 1986 , 9.05 am , kolkata , india

is it possible to predict about his mother from his chart ?

his mother had dengue fever in end of oct . but then never recovered . was admitted to hospital , stayed there for a week . then discharged . doctor's could not diagnose the problem , thought it was weakness of dengue fever . now they have found that her gallblader is getting smaller and operation is needed - what operation , i don't know .

main problem is she cannot sleep even with sleeping pills and haven't slept for 1 month now and attempting suicide and people at home are very tensed about her .

He is going through sade sati !

Another thing is , he has also got job in RBI along with me but look at the position of Su in his chart , it is in the 12th H !
It looks that the T.O.B is not correct, I have taken the T.O.B as 9.12 a.m, the dasha was Venus-Venus-Moon[12L][from 22-10-2012], Moon[Karka for Mother and 12L also] is in 4H with Saturn and Mars[R][4L] is going towards it. Moon and 4H is also in Paap katri Yoga.In D-12 Moon is in the 12H[Hospital] aspecting the 4L[Mercury] as 2L[Marak]. Jupiter the 7L[Marak] of D-12 is also aspecting the Moon. See Moon is the 12L of D-1 , and in 12H of D-9 and D-12, 12H is for subconscious, sleep etc, so she is facing this problem. She should take a lot of water and fluids, along with curd to minimize it. regards
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Krishnnendu,

Saturn is in 11th house in my chart.
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Bhrigu

Second House

Money matters, fortune, profit, gain or loss, one's power and resources, worldly attainments and possession of extrinsic value, jewellery, precious stones, bonds, securities and shares, speech, vision, right eye, memory, imagination, nails, tongue, nose, teeth, chin, family members. This is also a house of death or maraka sthana. Many a learned are of the opinion that education is also a signification of this house etc
PARASHAR Chapter 13.

Effects of 2nd House

1-2. COMBINATIONS FOR WEALTH:
O excellent of the Brahmanas, listen to me speaking on the effects of the 2nd house. If the lord of the 2nd is in the 2nd or is in an angle or in a trine, he will promote one's wealth (or monetary state). Should he be in the 6th, 8th, 12th, financial conditions will decline. A benefic in the 2nd will give wealth while a malefic instead will destroy the same.

3. One will be wealthy if Jupiter is in the 2nd as the lord of the 2nd or is with Mars.

4. If the 2nd lord is in the 11th while the lord of the 11th is in the 2nd, wealth will be acquired by the native. Alternatively these two lords may join in an angle or in a trine.

5. If the lord of the 2nd is in an angle while the 11th lord is in a trine thereof or is aspected by or conjunct by Jupiter and Venus, the subject will be wealthy.

6-7. YOGAS FOR POVERTY:
One will be penniless if the lord of the 2nd is in an evil house while the 11th lord is also so placed and the 2nd is occupied by a malefic. There will be penury right from birth and the native will have to beg even for his food if the lords of the 2nd and the 11th are both combust or be with malefics.

8. LOSS OF WEALTH THROUGH THE KING:
Should the lords of the 2nd and 11th be relegated to the 6th, 8th, 12th (jointly or separately) while Mars is in the 11th and Rahu is in the 2nd, the native will lose his wealth on account of royal punishments.

9. EXPENSES ON GOOD ACCOUNTS:
Jupiter in the 11th, Venus in the 2nd, and a benefic in the 12th while the 2nd lord is conjunct a benefic there will be expenses on religious or charitable grounds.

10. FAME ETC.:
If the 2nd lord is in own sign or is exalted the native will look after his people, will help others, and will become famous.

11. EFFORTLESS ACQUISITION:
If the 2nd lord is conjunct a benefic and be in a good division like Paravatamsa, there will be all kinds of wealth in his family effortlessly.

12. EYES:
If the 2nd lord is endowed with strength, the native will possess beautiful eyes. Should the said planet be in the 6th, 8th, or 12th, there will be disease of deformity of eyes.

13. UNTRUTHFUL PERSON:
If the 2nd house and its lord are conjunct malefics, the native will be a tale-bearer, will speak untruth, and will be afflicted by windy diseases.


Yellow,

If we look at Bhrigu ji views on 2nd house, only "family members" is mentioned. But no mention on marriage.

But Parashar is silent about family.
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" Family and Death surround Wealth. Is Wealth Death inviting?

As per Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, the second house governs wealth, grains ,family, death, enemies, metals, precious stones. In primitive times the grains and wood was accumulated as a reserve collection. This collection perhaps started to be called treasure with the addition of gems, precious stones, gold and other valuables to it. Going by astrology, the worldly acquisitions and possessions to man are his closest. Even closer than his siblings, therefore, wealth is assigned the 2nd house and siblings the 3rd.

The 2nd house is the house of death also. Wealth attaches with it the tension and responsibility to secure it . The pirates, thief, burglars and dacoits, who had an eye on others' wealth were there from time immemorial. They threatened the wealthy. The killing for wealth was common. Linked to wealth is kutumb the family- earlier the joint family and today the nucleus family. The accumulated wealth of the family kept the joint family secured and united .

It is said wealth always remains a tension whether you have it or not. If you have it, the tension is to secure it from thieves and tax authorities and if you do not have it, the tension is to get it somehow for survival. It is better for health to remain unconcerned about your wealth as the concern makes one greedy and brings him nearer to death. One should be a Gyani (knowledgeable) to understand the trap of wealth and a Dani (charitable) to come out of the trap. "

Copied from Bisaria ji's article. Beautifully explained by him.
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nice one deeps bhai..
Enjoyed reading...
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Aseem,

It’s not my theory that the 2nd house connected period should give marriage. I have read it somewhere. If you think it’s not to be considered for marriage, then you should not consider it.
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aseem ji ,

Ke is a planet of detachment .

according to your post about bhrigu's theory , 2 H is house of family and wealth . I have 2L Ma in 2H with Ke and aspected by Ra .

although Ke acts much like Ma and also Sc is considered own H and exaltation of Ke but still it is some kind of affliction , isn't it ?

it should make me detached from family life and also lead to loss of money by cheaters or bad investment , right ?
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anuradha ji , thanks for the help and i have told him about the remedy you prescribed for his mother .
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PARASHAR Chapter 13.

Effects of 2nd House

1-2. COMBINATIONS FOR WEALTH:
O excellent of the Brahmanas, listen to me speaking on the effects of the 2nd house. If the lord of the 2nd is in the 2nd or is in an angle or in a trine, he will promote one's wealth (or monetary state). Should he be in the 6th, 8th, 12th, financial conditions will decline. A benefic in the 2nd will give wealth while a malefic instead will destroy the same.

my friends chart i posted a few days back

11 sept 1987 , 10:35 am , kolkata ,india

in his chart , 2nd and 5th L Ju in 6th H and he lost his job during Su-Ju period ( Su is 10th L ) and after that financial trouble ( although that job was also low paying job ) . Lost job and financial trouble during 2nd L period , does that mean that he will always have somewhat financial trouble ?
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