Astrology and spirituality in this forum

[Prakruthi]

[quote="anupam1968"]Dear Dev,

Thanks for remembering me . I am here again for a time being. First of all let me share why I have lost interest in writing or even sitting in front of mine computer. Now a days I am seeing I have lost interest in almost everything except in one thing and that is Mine 'Primordial Desire of Soul'.

The very aim for which I as a soul in this human body stepped on this earth in the time immemorial. But don't give it definition out of the scriptures or yogic literature known or unknown. Essence or bottom-line is the same but the way it is manifesting is completely different and may be hardly perceptible from common view point or written words. No doubt I am also hiding it a lot.

Astrologically this biggest transformation came to me as soon as I started mine Rahu-Jupiter at the last of Deember, 2011. As the time went by I came to realize that Jupiter landed me in the mess beyond explanation. Rao says Jupiter sprinkles Ganga water and purify everything, in my life it was not Ganga water but the Gangotri that emerged from mine inside and started removing every stain and presented mine aim of life for which which I have had been sailing through this seemingly unending ocean of human journey since the very beginning.

But unfortunately I did not know that before the onset of Jupiter Ad. I had a very faint glimpse but did not think ever to that extent where explanation becomes almost difficult since somewhere you have to drag a border-line.

Once that aim appeared out of the blue it left me dumbfounded thinking how it can be possible but gradually the truth started coming in front of mine eyes in its most naked form. Then I got to know that the Venus Md in which I took birth and that ended in mine 17th of year was not signifying females those live in this mortal world only but the very female who lives in the form of Kundalini at the end of mine spine to whom we refer as Shakti.

Things did not stop here it also dawned upon me that the conjunction of Mars-Venus in mine horoscope ,that is not praised in classics and present the native as a inherent philanderer or debauch can also signify the romance of Kundalini because if this Venus can signify Kundalini then Mars can indicate the primordial male who sits in the crown chakra in the middle of your head. The whole of our human journey is nothing but the union of these two.

You see both Rahu and Jupiter relate with mine mine fifth house of romance yes there is but that is internal. The romance of Kundalini with its half part. She is crying from the bottom that she wants to meet her beloved who lives in the middle of the head. All the pain, suffering, tormentation, even the hopelessness that will they every meet, as happens in two lovers, are taking place in mine inside. It literally crumbled me into pieces so many times during last 10 months.

How many may understand that. Large majority of the people may explain this as the desire of meeting with God but I know this is very far from truth. God has no importance here even a little bit. The outright desire is to meet with His beloved. Both want to unite to the core so that they will not separate ever. The union must be eternal not like the union of mortal husband and wife.

From the bottom She is wailing and from the top He has had been shedding tears as a mad lover who has had been waiting for her since the very beginning but did not know what He was searching in this human body in this mortal world was nothing but a Mirage or the Illusion of this nature. The reality was always lying inside only He was ignorant or a big fool. This is mine conjunction of Mars-Venus Dev getting the aspect of full Moon in Saggittarius, the lord of 9th house.

But is this mortal world something different from your Inside and I would say a big 'No' from my side. I think I should stop right here and may explain a little bit more if God may wish so. Even this writing of post is His wish. Suddenly I remembered your post and got motivated to write something today. Mine writing can be a little bit confusing today. Let it be. [/quote]


What a lovely post! I can relate myself to almost everything in terms of the internal struggle that is indited in this post. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and experiences.

Regards,
Prakruthi

[Prakruthi]

[quote="Yellow"]Anupamji,

I am not sure why Jupiter is not giving you wealth because as 2nd lord in the 10th house it should be favourable in that regard. 5th house is also a house of wealth, and its period should give wealth. I wonder what the logic is for 5th lord being alone not giving wealth as Yogi Bhaskarananda said.

[/quote]

In my humble opinion, this could be because 10th house is the 12th from the 11th house, which is the house of gains, income and wealth. Jupiter in the 10th which is 12th from the 11th, is sort of hidden interms of income and gains and he is not concerned about materialistic pursuits. More over you also said jupiter is also the second house lord. Second house is the house of wealth, family, speech, voice,food and assets and 10th house is the 9th from second and when second lord is placed in this house, it would make the native more religious, spiritual, search for knowledge about god, higher studies(if jupiter is involved it might signify deeper knowledge of vedas, puranas and spiritual wisdom). Now since this position is the 9th from the 2nd and 12th from the 11th house and more specifically it involves a saatvik jupiter who is a master of moksha and dharma thathpurusha and who is not comfortable with kaama and artha, it could be infered that the native would not be interested in running behind money.

Now the wealth and income of the native would largely depend on the benefic aspect, placement and argalas of other planets, specifically planets like venus, mars, saturn or kethu (who should be benefics or neutral functionally) on the 2nd and 11th houses and other yogas in the native's horoscope.

I apologize if my understanding is totally absurd.

Regards,
Prakruthi

[Dev]

Dear Anupam,

Surprised to know how some posts are disappearing all of a sudden. Moderator may pl look into this.

I gave a detailed reply to this post already but now it is lost.

Your experience is very interesting and unique. It is beyond imagination for me at the moment and I can only relish your writings trying to imagine the situations.
Yours is a rapid growth or jump towards realisation. That is great.

Your Rahu-Jupiter has begun to bring changes in your case, jupiter has helped you in your realisation in a big way.
Very interesting to note that you call the very female who lives in the form of Kundalini.
That is because of Mars-Venus Dev getting the aspect of full Moon as you say, it seems.

Pl continue to share all your experiences and it is valuable for many.

Dev

[manya]

Anupam ji,

Thanks for your details. You may delete it now.

[Dev]

Anupam:
When did u become prakruti ?
He got birth at 17.05 and I at 17.10 that was the only difference.
Aurprising, did the lagna change? If not how could there be such a vast difference?
Dev

[basab14]

For example a person with the same placements of planets, as per mine, got love marriage, was a MBBS doctor, was on life saving drugs, had fragile-lean physique, and had visited abroad too. However, these all do not relate to mine life. My life is 180 degree apart from him. He got birth at 17.05 and I at 17.10 that was the only difference.

This is the reason I have lost interest in astrology. It's very difficult to predict seeing a chart what is destined for the person it belongs to.

[deeps]

For example a person with the same placements of planets, as per mine, got love marriage, was a MBBS doctor, was on life saving drugs, had fragile-lean physique, and had visited abroad too. However, these all do not relate to mine life. My life is 180 degree apart from him. He got birth at 17.05 and I at 17.10 that was the only difference.

No two destinies are same.

Like for instance, consider 10th lord in 12th house for twins. For one twin, it will mean that career in abroad and for the other twin, it can mean career in hospitals. Period.

[basab14]

No two destinies are same.

Like for instance, consider 10th lord in 12th house for twins. For one twin, it will mean that career in abroad and for the other twin, it can mean career in hospitals. Period.

Deeps,

How will you know which one will happen? If we can't know which one is going to happen, we can't predict the future correctly with the help of astrology.

[basab14]

Anupam ji,

Navamsha, though a divisional chart, is a very important chart. I remember reading in K.N. Rao's book that if rashi chart gets 3.5 points, then navamsha gets 3 points. So that shows its importance very well.

[deeps]

Deeps,

How will you know which one will happen? If we can't know which one is going to happen, we can't predict the future correctly with the help of astrology.

we are not God and can never be God. We are the sons of Satan.

I will use the theory of probability here.

[basab14]

Anupamji,

It’s true that it’s very difficult to understand what ‘love’ truly means. A person may after seeing some romantic movies or after reading some romantic novels or after going on a few dates with a girl and celebrating Valentine’s Day with her start thinking that he knows everything about love, but then it may not always be so. Love has a different meaning if understood deeply, I am sure, and it’s no wonder that I am curious to know about it, as I am running the period of Venus, the planet of love, in the 8th house of depth, so I will be really happy if you shed some light on it, so that I am no more in dark on it.

Coming to the person I have chosen may not be the person God has chosen for me, how can one find that out? Now, if you don’t tell me the answer to that then maybe I will not find the answer ever.

I don’t think Dev will be angry if you write on love because it’s a new topic, which you have not written on, earlier and so he would be as much interested to know on it as I am. About the moderators, they may create some trouble, but then, as you are running the period of 5th lord, they maybe will be sympathetic towards you.

About not running after anybody, but running towards each other, well I agree with you on this, completely. I don’t know if I am destined to walk on this adventurous path in the near future or not because I have lost the chance in my last sub-period of Saturn, which was the 5th lord of love. If you don’t want to write further on this topic, I will definitely understand

[basab14]

I will use the theory of probability here.

Oh, so when the probability is 50:50 you will toss a coin to know what prediction you will give?

[deeps]

Yellow » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:19 pm

Oh, so when the probability is 50:50 you will toss a coin to know what prediction you will give?

Toss a coin? That's the childish thing. I will apply the law of large numbers to provide predictions

[basab14]

Well said.

[Dev]

Dear Anupam:

Yes, true that divisional chart plays more important role than just rasi and navamsa especially when you have to distinguish between twins and also may be for individual horoscopes too because when the two twin sisters are so different, then from individual horoscope ie rasi chart, such prediction cant be made.

This is a lesson to those who say -I will predict only with rasi chart and dont need even navamsa.

Dev

[basab14]

Sure, Anupamji. We can always talk on this through PM or on on fb if you don't feel it appropriate to write on it here. Would love to know your take on it as I have always been deeply interested in this emotion called 'love'.

[anuradha]

Re: Astrology and spirituality in this forum
by Yellow » 011212

Sure, Anupamji. We can always talk on this through PM or on on fb if you don't feel it appropriate to write on it here. Would love to know your take on it as I have always been deeply interested in this emotion called 'love'.
One should never lose hope come what may.

But destiny is predestine, as taught by you again and again. regards

[basab14]

Anuradha,

I didn't understand your point. Yes, I believe destiny is predestined, but what connection are you trying to bring in it and my having a deep interest in love? See, if you think that I am searching for love, then you are wrong. I have never believed in finding anything, but rather in that thing finding me.

I like thinking about love because I find it fascinating. I have written many love stories, too. Now about my being interested in love, is it any surprise that when my ascendant is Libra, and I am running the period of Venus, which is in its own sign in my chart?

Re: Astrology and spirituality in this forum
by Yellow » 011212

Sure, Anupamji. We can always talk on this through PM or on on fb if you don't feel it appropriate to write on it here. Would love to know your take on it as I have always been deeply interested in this emotion called 'love'.
One should never lose hope come what may.

But destiny is predestine, as taught by you again and again. regards

[basab14]

Anupam ji,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on love. I really liked reading it. You have mentioned in your post about sex being an expression of love. I remember reading a fascinating book where there is a mention of divine sex, where sex takes you close to God, gives you that feeling of complete freedom that self-realization gives. The book is about a prostitute, but it's a very spiritual book, I feel, and believe me, my eyes became moist many times while reading the book. The name of the book is 'Eleven Minutes' by Paulo Coelho.

[Dev]

Love is not karmic debt because debt is paid in the name of many things and once it is paid it vanishes. Love is eternal, immortal, perennial.

Dear Anupam:

Very nicely said. Very interesting experiences. I am waiting to listen more of those.

Dev

[krishnagopal1968]

Anupam ji,

Yes you are right. Love is eternal but mostly the word may not convey the real feeling behind it.

I watched it in children, small animals, in the eyes of sages and in rare times in adults!

When small children or pet animals play among themselves it gives me real goose bumps. Mostly women are lucky in that. The quality of love is inbuilt in them. Even Indra Gandhi met J krishnamurthy and experienced tears of love, is what I heard of.

Then I realized why it happens, because children, small animals don’t have ego or in other words an idea of self.

Otherwise ordinary love turns into hate in no time. That’s why if love occurs after ego is formed, then it turns quickly to other side. We all know the statement “love happens” if we search further we will know, it happens only when we are not!

Then I pondered the word eternal, what is eternal? Ever existing? Scriptures say example of Sky, that which always exists, centuries pass, even planets pass, millions of clouds may come and go but sky is always there, may be hidden sometimes totally.

Mystics say like outer sky we all have inner sky, and thoughts, emotions, experiences etc are clouds they come and go, but this sky remains, they call it chid akashsa. This is the watcher and it is always prior to any experience let it be even of love, merger and bliss.

Now let us come back to astrology, the 5th house has the gross meanings of love and intelligence, but subtle meanings are bhakthi and pratiba. If we are lucky that simply means if we had done something meritorious in past lives, it will reappear ie, subtle meanings. If not then gross meanings will appear.

But still they are experiences, who is experiencing these? That may be eternal.

[krishnagopal1968]

Dev,

I too have the same opinion of Anupam ji on navamsa part and Yellow also has pointed quoting parasara weightage of 3 points to D9. But more than Navamsa, Shastiamsa chart is given 5 points.

Due to birth time errors, it is not considered. But KNR ji, has taught a method of retaining same birth lagna in D60, and it gives a broader picture. You can apply it to your case also and see. (venus exalted in 5th house,hence its period has to be good!)

But still i dont know in twins case of 2-3 minute birth difference what is to be applied. May be nadi amsa 150th part has more to say i think, but they are not yet revealed fully.

KNR ji said once that BVR ji has used kanya lagna for Rajiv gandhi for 8 years and then after seeing a pattern in chandrakala nadi he changed it to Leo and predicted his final event. So these types of Nadis must be having real clues about twins birth too in my view.

[Dev]

Krishna:

Yes, unfortunately many of us do not have the correct birth time since we have to rely on the nurse, who may not be aware that we are interested in astrology and that D60 needs exact birth time.
Anyway as you say, if we take same lagna, then I dont know how far it works but as you say, expert astrologers have said that and so we have to give it a thought too.
Yes, venus is exalted in 5th house,hence its period has to be good! that is what I hope and expect.
By the way do u see me going abroad officially in the near future? I am running venus bukti too at present.

Yes, with twins it makes it too difficult and it is beyond our imagination since some common rules will not apply. Then the degrees become more important during conjunction of planets.
As you say. the types of Nadis must be having real clues about twins birth.
May be special research on this topic needs to be done by experts taking real examples.

Dev

[basab14]

Anupam ji,

This theory always fascinates me that the world is a dream—that nothing is real; we are just imagining them. Yesterday I was watching the movie “Matrix”, one of my most favourite movies, on TV at night, and there they were saying the same thing that the objects which we see around us don’t exist. It’s interesting that today I find you have written the same thing on your post. It’s a case of synchronicity, I think. One interesting dream I saw yesterday night, which I would like to share here:

I saw that I was yearning to see God, and then I was seeing the flower pots that are there on the porch in our house, in one straight line. I was checking them, and there was a gap between two flower pots, and I saw the face of Vishnu there. I felt so much joy then, I can’t tell. I was tremendously excited, too, and I kept telling myself, I have got the darshan of God, again and again, and then, I woke up. I wonder what it means. I have been reading the book ‘Krishna’ by Prabhupada, so maybe that is the reason I saw the dream. Not sure, though.

[krishnagopal1968]

Anupam ji,

Last nite I had a premonition. Suddenly car i was driving, clashed with other car. I understood

I need not explain it to you, as you can understand it easily, but to come out of Raw agency type, that means clash of opinions

do you think nothing can happen beyond the written knowledge and individual experiences no matter who wrote that or even shared them namely great mystics, well known saints, prophets, philosophers as well.

No, much different experiences can happen, but all experiences are subjective hence limited anupam ji.

If we question it, to whom it happens, answer may me, my consciousness and then probe further who says me or my consciousness then we become dizzy or perhaps angry too.

questioning further until we come to silence, then who experiences silence, silence again is the answer but no one says it. remembering that space when any experience happens dissolves the experience is what i am sharing.

'Doubt' arises and we start remembering all those pious words unless and until we witness something.

Yes, doubt arises because the pious words spoken come from the empty space which makes resonate with our own self. Once we make it a memory to compare their words vs other words then it is a mind game.

Cant life make you shocked and can go beyond everything !!!

Now let us probe this. where to go? if we say there is something beyond and here i am, then a distance is created. this distance is time. when shock happens , but what is a shock? suddenly our mind stops or brain becomes numb? then what happens? distance become zero?

For me today there is not a bit doubt that this is a dream world

This is a fine word anupam ji. then inspite of many words, this certainity takes to source.

I hope you would not only write "You are right" with a smiley to me .

As you pointed in this way, i liked to share more this time