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elipsis wrote:
Also Yogas don't exist in D9 if they don't exist in D1, you can only find an effectiveness of an existing yoga if present in D1.

Namashkar Elipsis ji,

While I respect your knowledge and the depth of your studies immensely, I am sorry to differ on the above conclusion that you have drawn. Before I would like to place my point, I would like to warn you that I am not very well experienced in expressing my viewpoints through writing and therefore I excuse if my way of writing seems confusing and bizarre and if it fails to convey the message clearly.

I believe every divisional chart deals with a specific area of life and each divisional chart can carry yogas that are relevant to the area of life it represents. The yogas in that case are specific to the chart, unless they are present in D1 too, in which case they become a common yoga. There are many horoscopes in which we cannot make any conclusion based on the 10th house in D-1 about the career of the native, but when you make an autopsy and view his D-10, we could see a lot of yogas in the D-10 chart that guarantees the native a very good career, compared to what we could infer from his/her D-1.

Similarly, if in a person's horoscope I see his/her 7 house or its lord afflicted, but with some benefic aspects too and if these benefic aspect causing planets form a very strong yoga in D1, I can still get confused and predict that this person would eventually get married, though the affliction(for example from saturn) gives some delay. But when I get into the D-9 and if there are some planetary combinations that show sanyasi yoga or Tapaswi yoga or Sadhu yoga, then based on these yogas we can be sure that there is a significant probability that this person might not get married at all and that might be totally independent of the affliction and yogas seen in D-1. Therefore, if there is no yoga in D-1 and if it is present in a divisonal chart, say for example D-9, then I would consider that yoga whenever I study about the native's relationship and everything related to the native's marriage. I would use the yogas caused in a divisional chart and the planets involved in the yogas to predict whether or not the native gets benefited in the area corresponding to that divisional chart in the current MD/AD/PAD(transits).

In my opinion, there is no fixed character to any functional benefic or malefic planet in a horoscope and they behave differently on different areas of life. If I could see a planet as a functional malefic on the native's D-1 chart and if I see the same planet forming some powerful yogas in his/her divisional charts, I would conclude that the planet under study would not create any obstruction(or rather the obstruction by that planet is negligible) to that native in the areas corresponding to the divisional chart in which it forms the yoga, even though the planet is a functional malefic from the overall perspective seen through D1. I would even go one step further to say that the same planet that we labelled as a functional malefic from D-1, if found to be a yogakaraka /yogada in a specific divisional chart, the areas in life corresponding to that divisional chart would be greatly benefited from that planet and in its MD specifically.

I think the very essence and heart of Indian astrology lies in the divisional charts, yogas and dashas and if we are going to make the judgements about the life of the native, just on the basis of D-1 and the yogas in it, there is a greater probability that we would fail in our predictions. Besides, this is not the style in which our ancients wanted us to understand and predict about the native under study.

Hoping to hear your views on this.

Thank you

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Dear elipsisji do i have malavya yoga and hamsa yoga.i have cancer lagna in my birth chart my venus is in libra fourth house 16th degree conjunct same degree as sun with mercury 8 degrees away.jupiter is in lagna conjunct ketu.
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Dear Prakruthi,

From what I learned that divisional charts are to be used only for the confirmation of existing yogas as they deal with various aspects of life, but the divisions themselves don't create yogas, for instance the combination of Jupiter and Moon cannot form a yoga in D10 because it naturally contradicts the purpose of the yoga, 4th house represents your mother, happiness and various conveyances so to confirm a yoga related to Jupiter and Moon you check D12/D45 if it exists in D1. The reality is 99% of the yogas in the chart do not work, people only succeed because of one or two yogas but they think two dozen yogas are responsible for their elevation.

Concept of Karma: Yogas are formed due to your past karma and the karma of your lineage. Yogas like Akandasamrajya do not work in ordinary people because it is practically impossible to achieve that status without a strong blessed lineage. Professional astrologers do not even check these fancy yogas because they already know the truth.

Yoga-Bhanga: A chart may show yogas but the native may be leading a life which is completely opposite of what the yoga shows, this forms Yoga-Bhanga- negative karma cancels positive yogas in the chart even in this life. Look at this guys chart ( http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... =5&t=16671 ), he has a degree in neuroscience and was pursuing PhD in colorado state, so many positive yogas in the chart as well as in the divisions that you won't believe he is a mass murderer.

Activation of Yogas: So yogas fructify based on karma, for example a planet forming yoga in the 7th house or if 7th lord is associated with the yoga then it will activate only after marriage. So in order to predict a yoga you have to deduce what kind of karma is required by the native, doing the right karma/remedy syncs with your past-life so naturally yogas will activate. You simply cannot predict yogas just because they are present in the chart.

Panchaka: Then we come to the timing of your birth, the panchaka of your birth- which is thithi, vaara, yoga, nakshatra and karna has a bearing on yogas in the chart. Nitya-Yogas modify yogas, positive nitya yogas strengthen positive yogas but also negative nitya yogas can nullify them. For more details, read this topic: http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... 12&t=16105

Formation of Yogas: Even in the present life yogas keep forming based on what you do, they are not reserved for your next birth. Positive Karma creates positive yogas and negative ones will nullify existing yogas and form negative yogas. There is no way to detect this in vedic astrology-but some experts do detect using Swarashastra part of SamaVeda.

Ascendant Lord: Weak ascendant lord will not have the strength to bear powerful yogas created by more than one planet.

Rahu: Most of the yogas depend on Rahu, he is the backbone in human body, weak Rahu may not help you achieve professional success.

Brama Dosha: When you commit a heinous act your entire chart will not work as per the standard rules of astrology. These include: committing murder, denying water, abusing retards/children/women/poor and old, betraying rulers etc

Vaastu and Stana Bala: The place where you live and work has a great effect on your chart, you cannot expect a career boost by living in the forest nor you can expect peace and tranquility by living in the city. Yogas become temporarily dead when vaastu purusha becomes incompatible with your chart.

I would like to end by saying nothing makes Vedic Astrology more fraudulent when our own rationality desert us, when we wait for that unknown miracle to happen when we know we ourselves are the true masters of our destinies, we created those yogas in the first place.


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Dear elipsis,

Thank you for the exposition on the yogas. It is a clear and accessible list of things. Indeed biographies of true 'mahapurshas' show so many of these factors working in conjunction.

My query was related to this. Mahapurusha yoga formed by being in own house in quadrant. Usually, vargottama nature of a planet adds strength to that planet. However, being vargottama in own house is a negative if you check by nakshatra - pada calculations.

I see this with Mercury being vargottama in Gemini and Virgo, Venus being vargottama in Taurus, and Libra. So, if they are in quadrants and own house in D1 and vargottama, this implies they are in their own house in D9 (and consequently, their own nakshatra pada). Then is it as positive or negative strength-wise?

From your reply it appears, Venus is OK in own nakshatra pada if it is in own house in D1 [which results in vargottama] and it is only a problem with exalted Venus ? I am a little confused.

I was under the impression Jupiter and Saturn does not care either way with pada lordship and consequently being vargottama in own house will not be a negative for them. But it is not clear to me about Venus.

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Namashkar Elipsis ji,

Thank you for your reply. I don't know what to say, because it completely shakes the foundation of what I have been taught about Indian astrology, divisional charts and analysis of various aspects on life based on different divisional charts.

I prefer to stay mum on this henceforth in this regard.

Thank you for letting me voice out my opinions in your thread.

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elipsisji,
recently in the post you have written that weak rahu will not help you to attain professional success and rahu is the backbone of human body. could you explain this. how can rahu help a individual and what are the formations in the chart when rahu can be said to be beneficial.what happens when both rahu and ketu are exalted .does that means that rahu and ketu will he positive or negative. kindly explain.
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VioletTwilight wrote:Dear elipsis,

Thank you for the exposition on the yogas. It is a clear and accessible list of things. Indeed biographies of true 'mahapurshas' show so many of these factors working in conjunction.

My query was related to this. Mahapurusha yoga formed by being in own house in quadrant. Usually, vargottama nature of a planet adds strength to that planet. However, being vargottama in own house is a negative if you check by nakshatra - pada calculations.

I see this with Mercury being vargottama in Gemini and Virgo, Venus being vargottama in Taurus, and Libra. So, if they are in quadrants and own house in D1 and vargottama, this implies they are in their own house in D9 (and consequently, their own nakshatra pada). Then is it as positive or negative strength-wise?

From your reply it appears, Venus is OK in own nakshatra pada if it is in own house in D1 [which results in vargottama] and it is only a problem with exalted Venus ? I am a little confused.

I was under the impression Jupiter and Saturn does not care either way with pada lordship and consequently being vargottama in own house will not be a negative for them. But it is not clear to me about Venus.

Best regards,
Violet
Dear Violet,

You are getting this mixed up, there are two separate topics we are discussing at the same time Venus as a karaka of Marriage and Venus creating yogas. Strong venus in D9 as a karaka of marriage is acceptable, but Venus forming yogas will diminish. Remember, D9 is only used for a specific purpose- not for everything. Venus, Saturn and Jupiter does not care if they eclipse their own pada but astrologers don't prefer this anyway, they think strong venus in D9 will overpower venus and form loose personalities. These predictions are based experience of course. But other planets cannot eclipse their own pada or be in Vargottama in D9 as it would surely wreck yogas related to them.

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Does a planet exalted or own house in kendra to moon gets mahapurusha yoga?
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nope :(
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Elipsis ji,

1)Suppose a planet is weak in D1, debilitated but it is in own house in D9 then still it will form any mahapurush yoga?

2) Suppose a planet is not forming any mahapurush yoga in d1 but it is in own house in kendra in d9, then do we consider it as mahapurush yoga or just we need to check the strength of the planet through it?
I am letting go of the thoughts that do not make me strong.
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akanksha2807 wrote:Elipsis ji,

1)Suppose a planet is weak in D1, debilitated but it is in own house in D9 then still it will form any mahapurush yoga?

No

2) Suppose a planet is not forming any mahapurush yoga in d1 but it is in own house in kendra in d9, then do we consider it as mahapurush yoga or just we need to check the strength of the planet through it?

No yogas are formed. Just a normal planetary position.
Programs like Jhora show yogas for each divisions, but its only a theoretical overview of your birthchart, most of those yogas don't work. If you have a MP yoga in D1 then you should "manually" look at the divisions and determine the strength of the planet. But in practice - astrologers don't look for these yogas, they will ask you a list of questions to determine what you are going through in life and then they take a week or so to predict for you.
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2002diksha wrote:elipsisji,
recently in the post you have written that weak rahu will not help you to attain professional success and rahu is the backbone of human body. could you explain this. how can rahu help a individual and what are the formations in the chart when rahu can be said to be beneficial.what happens when both rahu and ketu are exalted .does that means that rahu and ketu will he positive or negative. kindly explain.
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Elipsis ji,

Please explain this, is it true that weak rahu will not help you to attain professional success irrespective of whereever Rahu is placed in the natal chart?
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Dear akanksha, Rahu represents everything you do outside. Strong Rahu is necessary if you want success in your profession- he represents smoke, oil, wind, machines, vehicles, temperament, sound, diseases, deception, attraction, hypnotism, communication, unrealism etc All the necessary tools to succeed in your workplace. So when he is weak, you'll sit at home and whine- you will also lack social skills and the will power to go out and face the world.

Your Rahu is fairly strong if you have a job or if you have to work in a public place regularly. If not you wait for the right time- that is when Rahu transits your 10th lord, planets in the 10th house or the nakshatra of your 10th lord you will have the strength to find a job.

There is also a chart called sarvothabhadra chakra- where each nakshatra/planet creates a vedha (hole) on the other - when rahu transits your positive stars in that chart you will see progress in your life but this part is too big to explain...so that's it for now.
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Dear elipsis can a combust venus produce neechbang raja yoga for sun in libra?
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It can, venus is not easily inflamed :lol:
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Namashkar Elipsis ji,

Can you please confirm my understanding and inferences here in this thread and correct me if I am wrong?

http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... 16#p145716

Thank you.

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Dear Prakruthi,

There is no such thing as KSY, that's what I've been told. So forgive me for not being much help.

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elipsis wrote:Dear Prakruthi,

There is no such thing as KSY, that's what I've been told. So forgive me for not being much help.

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Ah ok. Thank you for your inputs, Elipsis ji.

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sir,
I would like to ask the astrologers of this forum that how are the people whose mahapurusha yoga are activated different from others. in what way does the mahapurusha yoga add to the personality. I think the poeple should have their wealth yoga activated . except for a enhanced personality the mahapurursha yoga in my opinion does not give any benefit to the native.
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2002diksha wrote:sir,
I would like to ask the astrologers of this forum that how are the people whose mahapurusha yoga are activated different from others. in what way does the mahapurusha yoga add to the personality. I think the poeple should have their wealth yoga activated . except for a enhanced personality the mahapurursha yoga in my opinion does not give any benefit to the native.
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Personality itself is a great gift, not the wealth. You have no idea how strong personalities influence others and gain power, wealth and fame. I remember Margaret Thatcher speaking against socialism in the British Parliament, its the work of strong Saturn trying to justify (which is what he do) a very contentious issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHGCz6xxiw
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elipsisji,
you are right on your observation . a strong and effective personality is really required to gain all coveted in life. people who are inherently good will do good good in society and vice versa.
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Dear elpisis ji should neechbang raja yoga and mahapurusha yoga seen from divisional charts 2 likesmaller divisions d2,d4,d5?for example if jupiter conjunct mars in kendra in d5 is that a neechbang raja yoga and ruchaka yoga?
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As I said earlier Divisions are to be used only for the confirmation of yogas in D1. If you have a problem that cannot be adequately answered using D1 you should then refer to divisional charts that gives you a cripser perspective on different aspects of your life- D24 for education, D7 for progeny, D10 for profession and so on. But the divisions don't form yogas themselves mainly because in the D1 chart the 1,5, and 9 depend on it - when they are weak there is nothing else to be seen elsewhere in case of powerful yogas.

If you have Brahma Yoga in D1, you should consult your D9 and D45 chart to determine how positive or otherwise the concerned planets are. Also please refer to the post I made earlier (http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... 50#p145340) on how Yogas actually work in your life. I know this thread has crossed the limits of the main subject but I earnestly hope the moderator will understand this subject is too big and people are bound to have questions.
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so a planet exalted in d1 should not be debiliated in shodasavargas of 16 divisional charts.if its debiliated in more charts then the yoga becomes nullified?
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kruze wrote:so a planet exalted in d1 should not be debiliated in shodasavargas of 16 divisional charts.if its debiliated in more charts then the yoga becomes nullified?

Exalted does not mean good or bad. There are "bad" exalted planets too and also you need to refer only appropriate divisions and not all divisions.

The other factors that i referred in the link I quoted also apply.
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