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howzat wrote:
ok - let us have healthy discussin of astrology -
what about Capri lagna? using LT Raj Kumars data? what is your opinion?
LT COL Raj Kumar has given following data - now take Bal sahebs horoscope with Capricorn lagna.
page 338 - born 23 Jan 1927 at 7AM Mumbai. put and see. Capricorn is coming.
The year is incorrect. I can provide you my analysis on the chart for the native born on Jan 23, 1927, but Thackeray was born in 1926 (as touted by several credible articles and mass media). So, it will be impossible for me to correlate Thackeray's life with chart based on incorrect birth details!!!

I do not have his exact birth details, but looking at the planetary positions for Jan 23, 1926, I deduce the following:

With 1926 data, you get debilitated Guru+Ketu conjunction forming the classical Guru Chandal Yoga, which we all know what it means. Similarly, it also shows an afflicted Sun (problems with people in authorities/government). Bal thackeray was also banned from voting and contesting in any election for 6 yrs.

Sun affliction with Ra/Ke and aspect from afflicted Saturn, shows heart related problems. It also shows struggles in father's life. Sun conjunct with Ju (yes even if it is debilitated, it gets partial neechbhanga with Saturn's 3rd aspect) shows, father is just and ethical.

Exalted Moon, shows good creativity. Moon also makes him emotional and compassionate. Mars in own house dominates Saturn (which usually represents masses), shows his courage and valor and ability to lead masses. Mars+Sa aspecting exalted moon, we all know the influence of this combination on mind and emotions.

His Rahu dasha should be around 1940-50s, where he faced several struggles especially with authority figures (considering Ra aspects Sun+Ju), this was also the time, where he was known for his active involvement along with his father in Samyukta Maharashtra Chawal.

Similarly, Ju MD got tainted with GCY and it exemplified his several differences with authority figures and anti-communist activities, especially with Marmik and Samana. If his Ju was not debilitated or was not afflicted he would have seen a significant rise in this dasha without any opposition. Probably, Ju+Ke or Ju+Sun would have brought permanent separation from father.

Saturn MD with Saturn afflicted with Mars, may not have been an easy one. This period may be the one where he had several struggles in personal life including the death of his wife and eldest son. It may also be the time when he had differences with several members of his family including with his second son, Jaidev and nephew Raj.

Mercury, showed struggles in his professional/political life and later his health.

That been said, with Capricorn Lagna (purely from natal planetary positions on Jan 23, 1926 and not by BTR), Sun comes in Lagna giving fame and recognition. Sun+Ju in lagna, father plays a significant role in one's life. 8L Sun in lagna afflicted and inimical shows suffering from heart related problems (he underwent angioplasty twice). Sun was also severely afflicted with exalted Sa, in transit at the time of his death, may be the reason for his cardiac arrest.

Ra/Ke on 1/7 axis is inimical and shows several struggles with aligning one's thoughts with opposite partners/business partners. A constant uphill battle. It also causes problems in married life, however 7L, Moon is exalted and Venus though retro is well-placed. Hence no major problems or breaks in married life.

5L and 10L in friendly, 2H of gains similarly, exalted Moon in 5H shows exceptional creativity. 3L/12L Ju in lagna afflicted with Ra/Ke and conjunct with 8L, Sun. This to me does not make sense. I would have expected his exceptionally placed, Mars as his 3L overpowering Saturn. Similarly, YK and 5L, Venus in friendly 2H should not have caused problems with children. So Capricorn Lagna with 1926 birth year, does not make sense to me.
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For Libra Lagna (purely from natal planetary positions on Jan 23, 1926 and not by BTR):[/u]
- Mercury in 3H aspecting, Venus in 5H, shows his connection to media and creativity.
- 4H becomes action packed with Su+Ju+Ke, so general happiness, connection to birth place comes into prominence.
- Moon exalted in 8H, one of the things that ashtama chandra depicts is constant re-birth and transformation through life's shocks and sudden changes.
- I am having problems in understanding his constant conflicts and family problems with this lagna.

And you can do the analysis for remaining lagnas.

That been said, without correct birth details and since both of us do not have access to his birth certificate, there is nothing to discuss or predict.

P.S.: I may provide my additional insights later for Capricorn and Libra lagna analysis, however, I do not prefer to read charts when I am at my minimal capacity at 1am (past mid-night). One should not even read charts at night. I am providing this quick analysis to put an end to unnecessary banters on this thread!!!
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by explorings » 20 Nov 2012 00:46
howzat wrote:Bal Thackeray one horoscope is there with Capricorn lagna. another is there with Libra lagna. how many horoscope is there god only know. Now i am seeing with kanya lagna. I am full confuse.
You know Himalaya exists because you have read about it, seen it in movies, heard it in school, news, mass media, parents, etc. You personally do not have to go and see it especially when there is enough evidence of its existence.

I am clearly stating that I am yet to see a chart of Thackeray with Capricorn or Libra Lagna as I have not seen it nor heard of its existence. The first I have heard was from you. So please provide reference where you have obtained this information! Saindhaviji has provided a valid reference from "Astrosage" for a Virgo Lagna chart, even though the chart itself is incorrect with incorrect birth details.


see below - i am giving reference for Capricorn lagna. I have also provide 2 valid reference for a capricorn lagna chart. correct or not - you please tell.


LT COL Raj Kumar has given following data - now take Bal sahebs horoscope with Capricorn lagna.
page 338 - born 23 Jan 1927 at 7AM Mumbai. put and see. Capricorn is coming.

http://karmanyaastro.com/_Bal_Thackeray.html

explorings - so we are discussing horoscope or not? please tell.

My dear friend howzat:

You really need to calm down. Chart reading is not a joke and I am not a machine where I will provide you my analysis instantaneously as soon as you send me the data. Believe it or not, I also have a life beyond chart reading!

Please Note:
- It is over 1am (past mid-night) and even though you are not suppose to read charts at night, I have still decided to provide my initial thoughts on Jan 23, 1926 planetary data... only because I really want to end unnecessary banters on this thread!!!

- Unfortunately, like everyone else who work or don't work, even I want/prefer to be fast asleep past mid-night and I may add if required tomorrow. For now, I have to sleep, I hope I have satisfied your unnecessary requests!!

- My computer remains "ON" and I always have LOVA window open, so I appear to be online all the time but it does not mean I am on LOVA 24/7.

P.S.: I don't even know why I am providing this explanation past mid-night to someone who is not even worth my sleep. So Good Luck and Good Bye, this is my last reply to any of your comments/post and I will ignore your posts from now on. Thanks!!
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by explorings » 20 Nov 2012 11:44
The year is incorrect. I can provide you my analysis on the chart for the native born on Jan 23, 1927, but Thackeray was born in 1926 (as touted by several credible articles and mass media). So, it will be impossible for me to correlate Thackeray's life with chart based on incorrect birth details!!!
With 1926 data, you get debilitated Guru+Ketu conjunction forming the classical Guru Chandal Yoga, which we all know what it means. Similarly, it also shows an afflicted Sun (problems with people in authorities/government). Bal thackeray was also banned from voting and contesting in any election for 6 yrs.
So you are saying Bala Saheb Thackeray did everything like that because of Guru Chandala yoga? I thought Ketu will give spiritual initiation because he is Being the moksha karaka.- this is told by respected Deepak Bisaria in news letter of journal of astrology.

I also thought - 12L Guru + Ketu is good for spritual. i learned that only Guru with Rahu conjunct is giving Guru Chandala yoga.

Guru chandala means leaving his own religion and associating with foreign religion no? But Did Bala Saheb do like that?

he is very famous man no? in 23 january 1926 chart where is yoga to be famous? in 1927 chart there is excellent Raja Yoga no? for famous personality? what say?

in 1927 chart - death came in Budha - Guru - Rahu - Budha is 6l - Guru is 12L in Marak 2H. Rahu in 6H. so death combination is there no? best part is what you know - in 1926 chart also Budha Guru Rahu is running. funny no?

So like this mr explorings - we can do for many years - explaining - putting lagna in different rasi - then changing month and year - and then fitting everything. this is correct ah - i am asking. that is why i told - unless TOB is certain - simply dont write what and all is coming to the mind - just to fill page. you only said this no?
by explorings » 20 Nov 2012 09:58
As both of us have mentioned earlier, you can put lagna anywhere and give your predictions and match it with some events of the person's life,
you say on road in mumbai that Bala Saheb is having Guru chandala yoga means - what will happen to you? you might be Bala saheb neighabour - but if you say he has Guru chandala and all means for you no - what they will do - i only cant imagine baba. see what they are doing to two girls who did tweet on tweeter - and facebooks. one girl only did like on other girls facebooks- she is also sitting inside.

what saindhavi madam she told about Bala saheb you know mr explorings? -
- Rahu is in his own Ardra Nakshatra.
According to Varahamihira -
Ardra Nakshatra gives the native wickedness, ingratitude, vanity.
- His Moon is in Hasta Nakshatra.
According to Varahamihira, Hasta Nakshatra makes a native forthright, merciless and prone to thieving tendency.Only with a person with his kind of Rahu and Saturn Nakshatras and with his Moon Nakshatra could have been a hateful fanatic like him. I don't have to say more about the black mark on humanity that was Bal Thackeray.PS - Howzat, this is why you should read Varahamihira apart from Parashara.
what this and all? all top top big big peoples are coming for funeral. 5 laks peoples are paying respects and crying. whole mumbai is stop for him. here she is telling - he is black mark on human. what this? and how she is saying and doing justify? by analysing wrong horoscope. then she is telling i must read Varahamihira. :shock:

Because i said why you are doing like this Saindhavi madam - you get angry and come here full force - you are not understanding what I am trying to say only. only you are saying - dont do banter - dont do dispariging. why you say like that? what you will say for words she is using for Bala saheb? tell.

leave it. you are not understanding only. all my fault no. ok.
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Howzat,

Since you are a fine astrologer, why don't you look at some of the transit feedbacks that LOVA members have been giving here and analyse the transits for them - you'll be helping them a lot this way?

You can go over last few pages and analyse the transit feedbacks people have given.
Havan Manuals -

http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3_0/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12791&p=124553#p124488

hymns -

1 http://www.vignanam.org/

2 http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3_0/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=11446&start=75#p93038
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Howzat ji,

What is your opinion on my chart? By when will I be able to start my work or rather if I will ever get work again or not?
I am letting go of the thoughts that do not make me strong.
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howzat wrote:
by dxb2oz » 20 Nov 2012 08:17
Thank you Howzat for confirming that not all information pertaining to astrology gleaned from the internet is correct. I have been unnecessarily getting worked up by reading, often contradictory information on the net and then applying it to horoscopes of my family members.
Madam, i will tell you one best joke. sometime back i am interested in Rahul dravids horoscope. Even i played cricket in my young so rahul Dravid is interesting for me. I try to get birthdetail through my cricket contact - but fail. ....

oprah Winfrey - Respected Vaughn Paul Saheb used one lagna. 3 birth times is there for her. I told - you put Capricorn lagna and see I am giving first on Internets and LOVA. three lagnas we can put - and give the wonderful story. Net net result is what you know? common peoples are laughing on the road and saying these astrology peoples are cuckoo.
Thanks for your response. I had deleted my original post as I was worried it may be considered "off topic"! But I completely agree with the essence of what you are saying.
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by Saindhavi » 20 Nov 2012 13:38
Howzat,
Since you are a fine astrologer, why don't you look at some of the transit feedbacks that LOVA members have been giving here and analyse the transits for them - you'll be helping them a lot this way?
You can go over last few pages and analyse the transit feedbacks people have given.



madam - long time back - i told this to you. your agenda is to write and write - no sense - only non sense \\

I am asking you -
by howzat » 01 Nov 2012 07:32
dear Saindhavi madam,
if we are seeing day to day transit like this and giving feed back on daily basis taking Rahu and Shani only -then what about Moon madam? if daily daily transit is affecting like this then Moon is also important no? what about Mars Budha and Venus? we must not ignore them no? how to judge daily life effect on transit basis? I am confused. So many planets are moving fast. moon is super speed and dasha seed starting from him only. still we are not seeing effect of Moon on daily basis? actually I dont know how to see transit phal from Moon only.
by howzat » 13 Nov 2012 04:46

Dear Saindhavi Madam-
You are coming everyday - and writing about transit. In which text transit result is given do you know? You are calculating transit how? from Lagna or from Moon? what about Moon transit itself? why you are not taking Moon transit? dasha started from Moon no? Every day you are giving update - based on planetary motion of slow moving planets - Rahu and Ketu and Shani - did you think ah - what about Moon, Sun, mercury. Venus, and Mars. have you peoples thought that what every effect is changing every day for you peoples - might be because of fast moving planets? - I asked you only long time back in post here - why you are giving daily update and putting blame on Rahu and Ketu and Shani. Are you seeing if transit planet is having Vedha? are you verifying what the Murthi of transit planet? No - i know you are not doing. then how you are deciding if transit of planet will give good result or not? Tell me please.

For you - when you dont know - you just give excuse like - this is not place - i can talk many things but i will not - like that. only giving excuse. that is not the way madam. that is escaping. this is discussion board - not your blog. first you understand properly all basics - I am telling for your own good. I am not telling again.
now you tell. please clarify. then i will clarify.

ok bye.
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Madam DBX2 - may God bless you and your children. any time you want madam - just put here or anywhere on this forum - I will help - I am not super man - But I will do best madam. I am wishing you best of luck in life. Your childrens will make you proud. I am telling you.
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dear internet friends -

today explorings has written about Guru chandala yoga of Shiv Sena Chief - Bala Saheb Thackeray - Mr Explorings has told that Shiv Sena Chief is having Guru chandal you - if he is born in 1926.

Now see - by making statement like this - without knowing horoscope - then supporting Saindhavi madam - without knowing why i am writing to her - he is coming and fighting. i

one thing i will ask. - both Saindhavi madam and mr explorings -

you are saying Saindhavi madam - that his Rahu is in Ardra - Chandra in Hasta - so is bad man.

Mr explorings - you are saying - he has Guru chandala yoga. -

I am asking both of you - do you know most respected Dr Hedgewar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._B._Hedgewar

He is having Guru Ketu Combination in Lagna. can you say he is also having Guru Chandal yoga? please reply.
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Howzat,

Akanksha here has requested you to give her a transit analysis. Please give her the analysis if you like.

Otherwise kindly stick to the topic of this thread.

The more you'll talk about the evil Bal Thackeray, the more I'll curse his soul to rot in hell for a billion years - not on this thread but in my mind.

If you don't want me to curse his soul to rot in hell, kindly stop this and stick to the topic of transits. You'll do Akanksha a great favour by analysing her chart in terms of transits.

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http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3_0/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12791&p=124553#p124488

hymns -

1 http://www.vignanam.org/

2 http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3_0/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=11446&start=75#p93038
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by Saindhavi » 20 Nov 2012 16:45
Howzat,
Akanksha here has requested you to give her a transit analysis. Please give her the analysis if you like.
Otherwise kindly stick to the topic of this thread.
The more you'll talk about the evil Bal Thackeray, the more I'll curse him to rot in hell for a billion years - not on this thread but in my mind.
If you don't want me to curse his soul to rot in hell,
kindly stop this and stick to the topic of transits.
madam - you have no right to talk like this. what you are writing - you only read again - see bold line i put. what you are writing madam? one hand you are suggesting and telling peoples to do remedy and talking about spirituality - then you only are talking like this. is it correct? please tell. you please reply to my question on transit i put before for you - then i will analyze ok.

one more i will tell you - your curse = 0 effect. so many peoples are praying for him - you are cursing = nothing
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akanksha2807 wrote:Howzat ji,

What is your opinion on my chart? By when will I be able to start my work or rather if I will ever get work again or not?
Saindhavi wrote:Howzat,

Akanksha here has requested you to give her a transit analysis. Please give her the analysis if you like.

Regards
Saindhavi wrote:
It will help us if you observe your life and come back to report if you see a change in the last 10 days of October. Please mention your Lagna and Moon sign and where Rahu is in your chart.

Note - This thread is meant for observation and reporting. Hence, please don't bring your charts for reading and asking questions such as "How will be my Saturn/Rahu/Sun Libra transit?"
If you want to post your charts for reading, please post them in other appropriate threads.
I'm wondering why Howzat is being requested to analyse Akanksha's transit. Isn't this contrary to your instructions?
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This is not a detailed analysis of her chart per se. But rather, an analysis of why she is not getting the job in the current transit of exalted Saturn-Venus-Mercury conjunction period nowadays.

That kind of analysis has been done for others, when they gave feedback.

This thread is not for detailed analysis of charts, but when people give feedbacks, we have been telling them what could be the possible explanations from the transit angle.

Since Howzat knows a lot about transits, I have requested him to give his explanation from the perspective of what he knows.
Havan Manuals -

http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3_0/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12791&p=124553#p124488

hymns -

1 http://www.vignanam.org/

2 http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3_0/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=11446&start=75#p93038
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Since I did not ask my question properly, I would like to put it again-

Howzat ji, I would be grateful if you give me your insight to my chart with respect to the transit. I am really looking forward to January, when Rahu will move out of Scorpio, I have read your posts and feel you have good knowledge, thats the reason of putting my request to you.
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Saindhavi wrote:This is not a detailed analysis of her chart per se. But rather, an analysis of why she is not getting the job in the current transit of exalted Saturn-Venus-Mercury conjunction period nowadays.

That kind of analysis has been done for others, when they gave feedback.

This thread is not for detailed analysis of charts, but when people give feedbacks, we have been telling them what could be the possible explanations from the transit angle.

Since Howzat knows a lot about transits, I have requested him to give his explanation from the perspective of what he knows.
Saindhavi ji has put my question in better words.
This is exactly what I wanted to say. Thank you Saindhavi ji.
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Saindhavi wrote:This is not a detailed analysis of her chart per se. But rather, an analysis of why she is not getting the job in the current transit of exalted Saturn-Venus-Mercury conjunction period nowadays.
Thanks for the clarification. I wanted to ask too but then was confused and thought against it.

I think in my chart Libra is the lord of the 6th house (and also the 10th house) and Shukra is in the 3rd house.

I have a Saturn mahadasha running at the moment. I have no idea whether this will have any adverse effect in the coming years.

[Edit: Chart removed]

By the grace of God things were normal in Oct and I can only pray for it to continue.
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Feedback for last few days-

I feel the energy back now within myself which was drained out somehow in October.

I have a good news to share, but I am too scared to write down here, as I am scared of losing it (reason- past one and half year was horrible ). Now the next two months are very much crucial for me.
I am letting go of the thoughts that do not make me strong.
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Dear friends - today i will tell one story for everyone -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Vivekananda

This is a great man -

see for him two lagnas astrology world has put - big big astrologers have given - all are explaining everything with their own own lagnas.

Barbara Pijan is saying Capricorn lagna -

http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/spiritu ... ananda.htm

Now see book written published by Sri Jagannath center -

in that - Respected Sri Sanjay Rath Saheb is giving - Dhanu - Sagittarius lagna.


what joke this is? beautiful is what you know? - Birth time is same - only time zone is different. Respected Sri Sanjay Rath Saheb is giving time zone as 5.53 east - Respected Barbara Pijan Madam is saying - 5.30 - Calcutta railway time.

best joke is what you know? from one lagna to other - 12 Rasis difference is there - still all gave full story and did fittings for his life.

what a joke.
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howzat wrote:Dear friends - today i will tell one story for everyone -
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best joke is what you know? from one lagna to other - 12 Rasis difference is there - still all gave full story and did fittings for his life.

what a joke.


You're right, it is no wonder that people are so sceptical about astrology in general. Sadly, it has become a business and money making machine for some famed astrologers and in the process threatening its sanctity. This is akin to surgeons who want to perform a surgery even when it is not warranted.
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Dear dxb2

Madam

please read carefully ok -

see dasha is much much bigger than daily transit. if dasha is good means - daily transit is not matter. very very bigger than dasha - is condition of lagna and Moon. always remember this golden words.


now i will tell see - you see below -

in any horoscope - in lagna natural benefic must be there - if he is great friend to lagna lord and lagna lord is great friend means - dasha - transit - all this is minor - big big waves will come - but they crashing before beech - only water will come to feet - maximum - knee. not more. - yours no madam - Guru is great friend of Surya

now what is dasha - Shani Ketu Rahu - no problem - super fine Viparita raja yoga in operation. no worry only.

problem is where madam - I will tell - Moon no - in between Mars and Saturn - this is why mental tension and worry - not otherwise. - now see - in three kendra from moon - 3 natural malefics is there.

no problem madam - yours is best horoscope - from children point also no problem. You dont worry ok madam. No problem.
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Madam - please if you can no - give husband horoscope also please.
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Thank you so much Howzat. This is my husband's chart.
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ah - very good. no problem madam. if any problem is there please tell ok. thank you.
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