Celestial Drama in Libra

[howzat]

by skp23 » 19 Nov 2012 23:00
I have no greed of US & will be happy to serve my widow mother who lives all alone

by skp23 » 19 Nov 2012 23:00
Let God decide if I will leave or stay till 28th and proceed for GC. Since I have no job here, I am not interested in staying here.

Why you are bringing god in the between? If you get job in US - then are you interested in staying here? what you will do? you will leave job and serve widow mother who lives all alone? please tell.

[howzat]

by neelkumar » 19 Nov 2012 23:10
It’s below my dignity to respond to idiots. Rust In Piss.

correct you have told. you responded means you have no dignity. you are looking at mirror ah when writing this?

[skp23]

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[skp23]

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Howzat:

Calm down that is all what Neel, I, and others have asked you to do. First rule of healthy discussion is mutual respect and we do not need undermining and disrespectful language from anyone. At your request I am providing you examples, please consider it as a positive criticism. None on this thread have crossed their boundaries and/or have passed disparaging remarks on/about you. Yet you have repeatedly passed undermining and disrespectful comments. Again a humble request: Please take your banter (Meaning: friendly teasing remarks) that are disparaging elsewhere.

by explorings » 19 Nov 2012 22:41
howzat:
I personally read all the analysis provided by Saindhaviji on this forum including presumed charts of Chunkey Pandey as well as Bal Thackarey.... and some correlation could be drawn based on those presumed charts with the timeline of events in the native's life; however, since there is no way to have access to their true birth certificates, it is very difficult to challenge any reading/chart. She has given a logical explanation to charts, including Chunkey Pandey's charts and there is no need for criticizing her for not having correct birth details.

where i have criticize her? please tell.

what madam - you are reading Varahamihira and Parashara then applying on wrong birth chart and coming to own own conclusion and passing judgement. so many horoscope is there of thackeray. see explorings is saying year is only wrong of horoscope you analysed. this is like chunkey pandey you analysed. two horoscope of his you analysed and give full explaination - there also year of birth is different. how person can be born two times?

Dear Saindhavi Madam-
you are replying to everybody - but you are not replying to my any questions. I know you will not reply - but important is what you know - you dont know what reply to give - why because - you dont know the subject matter only. Shyama told something - you did not verify - you just did cut paste from there to here. Respected Anuradha of our forum - gave correct answer to you - you cannot respond why you know - because subject matter is 0.

See madam - cutting from one other sites and putting in another site - very easy. even 9 year old boys and girls will do like that. in internet no - hazar stupids peoples are there putting hazar websites and blogs. everything if me you read means -me and you will go mad. whatever is there on internet no - need not be correct everytime. peoples on internet no - they are worse than you. dont copy their link and put here unless you verify if correct or not.

For you - when you dont know - you just give excuse like - this is not place - i can talk many things but i will not - like that. only giving excuse. that is not the way madam. that is escaping. this is discussion board - not your blog. first you understand properly all basics - I am telling for your own good. I am not telling again.

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Now i am asking final question - If you cant answer - then you dont know anything - you are simply reading something - then you are coming here and talking like you are knowing everything.

This was again towards Saindhaviji.

by deeps » 08 Nov 2012 09:01
What we see nowadays is people learning astrology under so-called Gurus within a month and start giving out predictions! They are only making fools of themselves and don't know that one day planets will give them huge shock to them. I am not an astrologer but astrology is my favourite past time hobby. I do astrology as it gives high when I read the accurately the charts of unknown people.

by Yellow » 08 Nov 2012 14:15
Aseem,
You are right when you say that most astrologers are not trained. Astrology is a very difficult subject. Reading a few books and a few articles on the net can’t make one an astrologer. But that’s how things are—people claim themselves to be astrologers, in spite of their little knowledge in the subject and make predictions confidently, which makes me amazed, rather than angry.

you peoples are talking like all others useless - only you two best. all are fools you two are wisest. wah wah wah . both you peoples giving astrological advice on astrology forum everyday. where you learned astrology? from book no? from Guru no? from net no? why then you are only talking like stupids. you peoples no - you are making joke of other members on forum. this is not good. please dont do like this.

like that - one of you is saying i am best in world - another is saying i am best in forum. you two peoples are talking about rest on the forum in bad way. you peoples are also in same boat. dont talk like that about respected others members on forum. please. this is not good. all others are not knowing astrology ah? only you know ah? tell?

transit you are all talking - see when Bala thackeray is burnt - what he has done in his life - only he has to answer-

6:13
18 Nov 2012 - Mumbai

see conjunction of Rahu Budha Ravi - one side shani - other side Kuja - Guru is with Ketu -

Budha - 0 Ravi - 2 Rahu 1

all are mad.

And there are several such examples, where you have undermined others on this forum and used disparaging/disrespectful language... due to limitation of space I cannot quote them all.

giving logical explaination - even i can give for 12 rasi. please dont tell about logical explaination and all. you can put lagna anywhere and give story. if birth certificate is not there - then dont analyse chart. sit quiet [/b]

All you need to do is provide your logical explanation why do you think it could not be possible, that is what the forum is for.... healthy discussion on astrology. It is not for undermining the astrologer for providing incorrect birth details.

I am also doing healthy discussion only

Please refer to all your posts!!! See examples above!

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I am aware of Thackeray's life and his personal as well as professional struggles, including his exceptional leadership acumen and political activities, hence I am confident enough to state that he the chart/s (or birth details) provided by "Astrosage" (Note: not saindhaviji) is incorrect!!!!

how do you know? prove it.
I have already proven it by showing several links that the birth year is wrong. I am reiterating the links for your kind perusal:
http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... 50#p143027
http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... 50#p143034

I am yet to see a chart of Thackeray's with Libra or Capricorn Lagna!!

I have not seen himalaya. does it mean it is not there?

This was in regards to your post:

Bal Thackeray one horoscope is there with Capricorn lagna. another is there with Libra lagna. how many horoscope is there god only know. Now i am seeing with kanya lagna. I am full confuse.

You know Himalaya exists because you have read about it, seen it in movies, heard it in school, news, mass media, parents, etc. You personally do not have to go and see it especially when there is enough evidence of its existence.

I am clearly stating that I am yet to see a chart of Thackeray with Capricorn or Libra Lagna as I have not seen it nor heard of its existence. The first I have heard was from you. So please provide reference where you have obtained this information! Saindhaviji has provided a valid reference from "Astrosage" for a Virgo Lagna chart, even though the chart itself is incorrect with incorrect birth details.

Humble Request: Please take your banter to a different thread.

why? you own this thread and forum ah?

No but the ideology of this forum is healthy discussion done with mutual respect and dignity, and members contributing to this forum are advised to abide to it. I rest my case!!!

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On Balasaheb Thackeray
May his soul rest in peace. It is very usual for people to mix the politics of a man with the actual person he was. If anyone had ever knew BT, he knew that in the initial years of his life he was a cartoonist...and in a way very shy and timid...But he was a politician who thrived on the politics of hatred...First he was against the south Indians, than leftists, than muslims and than north Indians....It was the Shiv Sainiks, under his rule who were responsible for the first political murder in Maharastra...and than every one is aware about the riots of 1992...A man who openly admired Hitler and his ways, did nothing but survived on the deaths of many innoncent people.
He criticised the Pakistanis for playing in India but Javed Miandad was his guest at his home. He opposed people celebrating Valentine's Day, but Michael Jackson was invited at his home and he felt proud for it. He used to insult women in conferences and hurl abuses on Muslims in political mouthpiece "Saamna" but at the same time, his personal doctor was a muslim.
All those people who are mighty impressed with millions gathering for his cremation, can never see the innumberables who were all closed within there house out of fear(not even daring to supply milk to babies in hospitals!!!) of being attacked. Shiv Sainiks went on rampage, when he was alive, and even after his death, a girl was just been attacked and property detroyed of the hospital, just because she wrote against him on facebook.
I feel sad for people who find it correct to kill people from other parts of the country, just because they dont want them in Mumbai. If this country is made to be run with this mindset, than we shall be divided into more than 50 different states because right from south to north, and from east to west, everyone has some or the other problems in there own state.
Instead of solving matters by defined matter of statute, and behave like a true patriotic, everything violent is acceptable, until and unless it serves their selfish purpose. Sorry to say, but this is what the politicians want. They divide and rule and at the end of the day, we all are befooled. Its time for us to think like an Indian, or wait for the day when visas shall be issued from moving to Gujarat from Mumbai...!!!

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TO SKP
First I would like to request Howzat to be polite in his demeanours towards something which is very emotional matter for a person.
I shall not comment on the matter and your situations because, to be frank, this is just the one side of the story. We don't even know the point of view of your husband. If any one comment here, favouring you and cursing your husband and declaring him the devil, even before knowing the full facts of the story , than he/she may think that he/she is helping you by sympathising with you, but he/she is just adding negative karmas (presuming they believe in karma theory) to his/her own self.
Also, the bigger problem is the slant that "All men are same and they can never understand women". I wont put up anything what a man feels, because how hard we may love our mothers, sisters or for that matter wifes, one deed by some jerk on this planet and everyone is coloured with the same rust. Same with guys stereotyping girls on just one experience of there life. The bigger problem with this contention is that it smacks the helplessness of women, which I can never accept.Because personally i believe women are stronger than man. They have more mental toughness and emotional stability than any man on this planet. The fact that three biggest ruling parties in India has there leaders as women (SG, Mayawati, MB) says it all. Also three metros out of 4 have there CMs as women clearly tells what a women can do, if she starts believing in herself.
I don't want to preach anything here, unlike others. It may console you for few minutes when someone curse your husband or say "I can understand your problem"..but we always need to understand..."Sympathy is never the answer, nor the motivation towards a permanent solution"...You should fight and rise above all your problems and set up an example for everyone around you including every member in this forum (which I hope you, eventually will).
What exactly needs to be done to tackle the situation can only be decided and understood by you, because no one knows what goes on in your drawing room. The suggestions here are all lopsided and in a way, gives you a false moral boost because the sub conscious state tends to feel good after vindication to its own thoughts. Fact is,you and your husband are the only person to know the real scenario.
As you have posted on this forum, so the experienced people can suggest remedies for the problem after analysing the chart. But as you are not interested in posting your details (which I respect), and doesn't believe in any remedies, just talk with friends who are close to you and can be the part of the solution, rather than those who themselves are helpless in one way or the other, or those who lingers on with a problem and make it sound the worst problem on this planet, turning the situation gloomy and making you feel nothing but helpless. You are stucked, so you cant get out of the mental blockage but the fact of the matter is, you are stronger and better placed than, maybe 90% of people of this world.Actually, I believe, the worst part of a problem is in terming it as a problem in the first place..!!!

[miav]

Hi everybody. I am back. So about the exam problem.. I am happy to say that nothing happened. Fortunately the teacher did not take it seriously i guess. Exams finished with half the papers being good and other half below average.. Will have to wait till january to see the results.. Past 3 or 4 days have been really bad. Suffering from very bad ear infection. Was hoping it would heal on its own. But now will have to visit the doctor as it is worsening. Now i am free and jobless and thinking... Why visible appearance of pain and suffering gains more sympathy and love in society and not the mental agony which only the person suffering can feel. How blind a human can be to not see that.. Anyways.. Nothing has changed with saturn being exalted and the other transit changes. I feel things have worsened a bit.

[explorings]

Janaki ji,
I cleared USMLE steps few yrs back with good scores but while they were valid, I never got visa. It's strange that I got visa followed by GC post marriage so easily while rejected on my own even with planets relating to my 5H & lord & good scores. If I will get a chance, I am ready to do all exams again & do residency in US as I love medicine & to study, but he will never let me do that be coz he feels I won't focus on house properly with hospital busy schedule. Anyway, I saw some documentaries lately on medics on Netflix since few days & felt the same excitement when I was in hospitals. So, thought that as a great idea as I hospitals are everywhere in India but jobs in my current drug research areas are through pharma companies or FDA which will make me stay alone, and I don't want that, neither in US nor in India.
I gave lot of thought before deciding what I want, will do, how, when, where. Hope it will turn out good.

My Dear SKP:

I am telling you as a friend so please read it with an open mind. I know sometimes its very difficult if you are staying/dependant on someone else and hence it is impossible to get right information.

My friend, firstly, USMLE scores step 1 and 2 are valid for 7 yrs. After that you need to clear an Step 2 - Clinical Assessment (CS), which can only happen if you come to US. After Step 2 - CS you can start applying for residency. Final is Step 3, usually this is taken within US and you need to complete it before you join any residency program. If you have passed Step 3, the validity period of 7 yrs no longer applies and your scores are valid. Step 2 is the most difficult one for IMGs rest all are pretty straight forward. Before you even take the Steps you need to have ECFMG certification. For more details you need to check ECFMG and USMLE websites. If you have cleared all steps than you should be applying for residency programs (your scores are still valid) or check in universities for J-1 visa or go for a student visa such as a F-1 visa. Many universities provide full scholarships and stipends. Most hospitals will offer J-1 visa (not H1B for IMGs). Then you will need to work in an under-served area for 4-yrs. After 4 yrs they will apply for your GC in EB-2C category, which for Indians takes around 2-3 yrs to get cleared.

Now coming to you green card situation. It seems you have a work permit already (I765 cleared) and not a GC. If you have got a biometrics appt then your husband has already added you to his green card petition. There is nothing more he can do. If your first EAD has expired and you are now renewing it, it only means that your husband's GC is also pending. If the priority date is current, his GC will not get cleared and neither will yours. As every year a lot of Indians apply, the priority date for processing your GC application for India/China is always lagging by 2-3 years or 5+ yrs depending upon the category.

So at this point of time, neither he can do anything nor you. It is all is in the hands of Immigration services and God.

As far as him not giving you your biometric appt notice, you have two options: (1) when he goes to work, search the entire house to find if he has kept it hidden in the house itself. or (2) Go to USCIS local office and ask them to give you a printout there itself. You can say you have not received it and need it for your Biometrics appt. or (3) call your lawyer and ask him for a copy. Usually lawyers also receive a copy for the same.

Secondly, if you want to be independant take any job till you complete your residency. This is what I fail to understand of many people that they need a typical form of job to match their qualification only then they will take it. If your final goal is something else think of a big picture and work towards your final goal. The small steps in between do not matter. [DEL]. If you want to be independant there are several ways. You have a medical degree go and work with some Indian doctor's private practice offering help. Many doctors and pharmacists also work in local Pharmacy and doctor's offices. You also have a work permit so I don't understand what is a problem!

If you want to work on your marriage stop telling him you will go to India permanently and seriously work on it. Similarly, if you want to be independant take any job temporarily and then pursue your dreams. If you want to go back to India just drop the GC processing and go! It seems you are unable to make a decision and hence are keeping all your options open.

[explorings]

Janaki ji,
I cleared USMLE steps few yrs back with good scores but while they were valid, I never got visa. It's strange that I got visa followed by GC post marriage so easily while rejected on my own even with planets relating to my 5H & lord & good scores. If I will get a chance, I am ready to do all exams again & do residency in US as I love medicine & to study, but he will never let me do that be coz he feels I won't focus on house properly with hospital busy schedule. Anyway, I saw some documentaries lately on medics on Netflix since few days & felt the same excitement when I was in hospitals. So, thought that as a great idea as I hospitals are everywhere in India but jobs in my current drug research areas are through pharma companies or FDA which will make me stay alone, and I don't want that, neither in US nor in India.
I gave lot of thought before deciding what I want, will do, how, when, where. Hope it will turn out good.

My Dear SKP:

I am telling you as a friend so please read it with an open mind. I know sometimes its very difficult if you are staying/dependant on someone else and hence it is impossible to get right information.

My friend, firstly, USMLE scores step 1 and 2 are valid for 7 yrs. After that you need to clear an Step 2 - Clinical Assessment (CS), which can only happen if you come to US. After Step 2 - CS you can start applying for residency. Final is Step 3, usually this is taken within US and you need to complete it before you join any residency program. If you have passed Step 3, the validity period of 7 yrs no longer applies and your scores are valid. Step 2 is the most difficult one for IMGs rest all are pretty straight forward. Before you even take the Steps you need to have ECFMG certification. For more details you need to check ECFMG and USMLE websites. If you have cleared all steps than you should be applying for residency programs (your scores are still valid) or check in universities for J-1 visa or go for a student visa such as a F-1 visa. Many universities provide full scholarships and stipends. Most hospitals will offer J-1 visa (not H1B for IMGs). Then you will need to work in an under-served area for 4-yrs. After 4 yrs they will apply for your GC in EB-2C category, which for Indians takes around 2-3 yrs to get cleared.

Now coming to you green card situation. It seems you have a work permit already (I765 cleared) and not a GC. If you have got a biometrics appt then your husband has already added you to his green card petition. There is nothing more he can do. If your first EAD has expired and you are now renewing it, it only means that your husband's GC is also pending. If the priority date is current, his GC will not get cleared and neither will yours. As every year a lot of Indians apply, the priority date for processing your GC application for India/China is always lagging by 2-3 years or 5+ yrs depending upon the category.

So at this point of time, neither he can do anything nor you. It is all is in the hands of Immigration services and God.

As far as him not giving you your biometric appt notice, you have two options: (1) when he goes to work, search the entire house to find if he has kept it hidden in the house itself. or (2) Go to USCIS local office and ask them to give you a printout there itself. You can say you have not received it and need it for your Biometrics appt. or (3) call your lawyer and ask him for a copy. Usually lawyers also receive a copy for the same.

[explorings]

Secondly, if you want to be independant take any job till you complete your residency. This is what I fail to understand of many people that they need a typical form of job to match their qualification only then they will take it. If your final goal is something else think of a big picture and work towards your final goal. The small steps in between do not matter. [DEL]. If you want to be independant there are several ways. You have a medical degree go and work with some Indian doctor's private practice offering help. Several of my friends who are IMG, doctors and pharmacists also work in local Pharmacy and doctor's offices till they clear their licensing exams. You are better off then them as you have a work permit already, so I don't understand what is a problem!

If you want to work on your marriage stop telling him you will go to India permanently and seriously work on it. Similarly, if you want to be independant take any job temporarily and then pursue your dreams. If you want to go back to India just drop the GC processing and go! It seems you are unable to make a decision and hence are keeping all your options open.

[miav]

Well.. What i think is making a decision does not come as smooth to some as others.. The exceptions always think about the consequences of the decisions they have to make and try to delay it as much. Ignorance is indeed blissful. I am one myself.
SKP. .
Do have any strong libran influence in your chart.. A libra zodiac.. Rising..moon in libra or simply any other strong libran influence?? If you do... Then trust me.. Just make a decision. Any decision you want and see how fun it is going to be. Any decision. Your love for the newness of the environment will overpower any regrets (if any) of making the decision. Just gather enough courage to look beyond.. And like someone else posted above.. We dont really know the husband side to the story. Prima facie accepting your story.. This is best thing you can do.

[neelkumar]

Well, as the old jungle saying goes, the way to a man’s heart is through his stomach!

But the way to remain in his heart is to make him habituated and need you.

As an antra from a Dev Anand song from Manpasand goes - “तुम्हारी मोहब्बत, तुम्हारी वफ़ा - इनसे मुझे क्या हैं हासिल, फिर भी, यह हैं मेरी आदत में शामिल”

And as some snooty women may say that the way out of a man’s heart is from his pocket!

[howzat]

Dear explorings

thank you for quoting all my important parts. you are giving good importance to it. very nice.

so much lecture you have given. that is also good. i understanding and learning new words like disparaging and all. thank you.

now i will come to subject matter. i told Bal Saheb Thackeray is having horoscope of Capricorn lagna. you have not see - not my problem. Before i tell where it is - i will also give you one lecture - please read carefully - dont feeel bad ok -

In one book written by respected K.N.Rao Saheb -- Guruji wrote following -

perversion
plagiarism perversion and fall claims have been the bane of astrology for decades. A great damage was done to astrology starting with B.V.Raman who arbitrarily fixed the birth horoscopes of the Avatars - ignoring the traditional ones and even gave degrees for the planets. if one follows it blindly without questioning the scientific accuracy of such data they are walking into a blind alley of darkness. to take those horoscopes and make a dashamansha and dasha and calling it research is nothing but - meaning less research - it is the heights of lunacy.

dr raman has made many of the horoscopes as hypothetical to escape conveniently the blame of faking his data others who take these examples and or pretend to produce research and in turn mislead others.

a student showed me the dashamsha of Lord Rama which was a shockingly a perverse instance of parading what was passed on as a astrological research by someone.

these days some astrologers circulate some absturd theories only to appear original without someone using commonsense. they do not understand that intelligent astrologers will examine such statements and see through the fraud they are perpetrating.

the damage such fake researches which go unchallenged because there is no board to which such researches can be submitted and an authentic stamp be obtained is that it gets circulated. beginners appart even those astrologers whose fundamentals are shaky and who seek predictive formulas fall into a well laid trap.

these frauds talk of spirituality but are not afraid of their own karmas they do not mind cheating.

you know ah? for long time DR raman was using leo lagna for many years and he put leo lagna in his astrological magazine. then he gave full explaination from leo lagna of her life. best joke was what you know? same time - respected K.N.Rao Saheb was using correct Cancer lagna - and he also explained all events and her lifes from Cancer lagna. then one day what B.V.Raman did you know? he is quietly pulling lagna up and fitting it in Cancer. what a joke.

who is joker and is looking stupids you know mr explorings - astrology. peoples are laughing at astrology. not anything else. we astrologers are putting cowdung on our one face and smelling it. by quoting wrong data from one website and circulating in another website without verify - is putting cowdung on our face.

how many horoscope are there for dravid you know mr explorings? 2. for tendulkar - 4. what a joke.

now tell - am i wrong in saying truths?

Saindhavi told all bad bad things about bal Saheb Thackeray - more than 5 lacs peoples are going mad with griefs when seeing fires burning. if he is bad man - tell me - why so many peoples are crying and going mad with griefs? tell. one man controlling whole Mumbai. how can he be bad man? saindhavi told so many things and bad bad things about good man. he is hero for Marathi Manoos - by seeing his horoscope - joke is what? she said - using wrong horoscope, then giving gyaan on nakshatra - then telling me to read Varahamihira. what a joke.

one website was there which put lagna as tula lagna - now i am searching for it on internets - site is only not there. then what will happen - if you put wrong data on internets?

LT COL Raj Kumar has given following data - now take Bal sahebs horoscope with Capricorn lagna.
page 338 - born 23 Jan 1927 at 7AM Mumbai. put and see. Capricorn is coming.

under guise of healthy discussion - you are supporting persons who is circulating fraud horoscopes - giving explanation - with half bake astrology - calling Bal Saheb Tackeray bad bad things by giving wrong astrology principal on wrong birth data - then saying it is Bal Sahebs horoscope - you are firing me - because i am asking question. is this correct? you tell. you are supporting whom? please see. I know you are friend of hers. but supporting like this is not correct. I am asking legitimate question.

you sit and think ok.

ok bye.

[howzat]

by dxb2oz » 20 Nov 2012 08:17
Thank you Howzat for confirming that not all information pertaining to astrology gleaned from the internet is correct. I have been unnecessarily getting worked up by reading, often contradictory information on the net and then applying it to horoscopes of my family members.

Madam, i will tell you one best joke. sometime back i am interested in Rahul dravids horoscope. Even i played cricket in my young so rahul Dravid is interesting for me. I try to get birthdetail through my cricket contact - but fail.

very interesting story is there - one great astrologer put Virgo lagna for him - then he is using all standard dictum of astrology on his horoscope - and explained from childhood to retirement. please see ah - all dictum from texts of astrology he applied. not from his pocket. so geniune item no?

after some months - i am coming across another astrologer who is also great - he is putting Meena Lagna for dravid - and again - he is using all standard dictum of astrology from texts - then he is explaining event from child birth to retirement. now which is genuine item?

I am shocking. I am seeing how like this has happened. Both are looking correct. What joke no madam this is? this is like putting cowdungs on our faces no? what people will say madam? you only tell. firstly not many peoples are believng in the astrology. Then if astrologer only doing like this monkey business and all - what to say? this is like looking in sky and spitting. spit is falling on our face only. like that this is.

this internets no madam - most dangeous place. but what to do madam. this is Rahu and Ketu time. so we are force to be here. sometimes excellent knowledge we are getting - some times some data and story is so bad - feel like jumping in well. mostly peoples who are worse than us only are there. what to do?

another story i will tell. joke is what you know? Sachin tendulker is there no - for him 4 4 horoscope is there. all fellows are giving one one explaination for him. like that when i am first studying astrology no - i got book of BV raman - in that i am seeing Gingis Khan. very great warrior he is madam. BV Raman gave beautiful explainations of him using one date - like that - i am like - monkey - applying same principle on other horoscope. when seeing means what - all is coming wrong.then i frustrate and stop puting principle.

after one year may be - i am going googlings and when seeing what? Gingis Khan is born may be many centuries after that what BV raman has put. see joke - many centuries difference is there. what to say? still BV raman is giving explaination of great warrior - fact might be - horoscope is of a barber - and we are sitting and reading.

Now see - Saindhavi madam has explain Bal Tackrey sahib horoscope - year is wrong - time is wrong - still explained everything. she is using principle of nakshatra and saying good man is a bad man. what madam - 5 laks peoples are coming to say bye bye bye to great soul - for ours how many will come god only knows. how he can be bad man? tell. Best joke is what you know - she is quoting astrosage - astrosage time zone is only dispute. then all are giving one one explaination. what this? then neel kumar is saying i must calm down. what to say.

like this madam many story is there. Ram Krishna Dalmia you know madam? he is big business man. - so i am searching books and internets about him. when seeing what? 3 horoscopes is there. all books and internets is written by big big names of astrology world. I am shocking. how like this is happening.

even best is fight of Swami Prabhupada. Respected K.N.Rao Saheb is giving one lagna like that Respected P.V.Narashimha Rao saheb is giving another lagna. Best joke is what? another great astrologer i am calling on phone to clarify - that joker is changing Ayanamsha and giving story - plus mixing Jaimini and Parashara principles. this is putting petrol in diesel car and putting diesel in radiatior. In my other forums one fellow is holding Atmakaraka and giving one story. what explaination. wah wah wah. when seeing what? - dispute of 7 Karaka and 8 Karaka is only not settle. I am thinking K.N.Rao Saheb is correct and i am telling this to follower of P.V.Narasimha Rao Saheb. what you know? he is taking danda and chasing me. I had to climb tree to save life. like this fighting is going on in astrology world.

oprah Winfrey - Respected Vaughn Paul Saheb used one lagna. 3 birth times is there for her. I told - you put Capricorn lagna and see I am giving first on Internets and LOVA. three lagnas we can put - and give the wonderful story. Net net result is what you know? common peoples are laughing on the road and saying these astrology peoples are cuckoo.

[Humannature]

Howzat, have you met astroboy?

[howzat]

why? he is famous ah?

[basab14]

Good one.

Howzat, have you met astroboy?

[explorings]

My dear friend howzat:

I am a Maharashtrian and I have followed Thackeray's entire life very closely and I am completely aware of his ups and downs and personal/professional struggles. I stay at a hand's throw from Matoshree and I also had the priviledge of meeting him and his entire family up close on more than several occasions. My family also had the priviledge of extending our support during Bindu's accidental death, Meena Tai's funeral, and during his and son's angioplasty. I may not agree with all his principles but only a Maharashtrian will know what he has done for the upliftment of Marathi Manoos, as widely touted by media.

These are the reasons why I can confidently state that the chart on Astrosage is inaccurate. And that is where my limits should end!!! I did not feel the necessity of crossing it and passing disrespectful comments towards anyone.

As both of us have mentioned earlier, you can put lagna anywhere and give your predictions and match it with some events of the person's life, which is still okay as long as you can provide a valid astrological deductions for the same. Similarly, you can also give your opinion/disprove the same and yet have a healthy discussion purely from astrological POV without undermining anyone.

I come nowhere close to Ramananji or Raoji and if Ramananji used Leo and the other proved/disproved it using Cancer lagna, it is still okay as they are just trying to draw their own conclusions. You will find several articles where Ramananji/his students will write against Raoji's theories and vice versa, which is still okay.... it is just called as "Clash of Titans!!!!"

My dear friend, we are not asking you to not provide your comments/opinions, we are just requesting you to calm down and discuss astrology in a healthy way without hurting or undermining anyone or without any banter or passing disparaging comments!! It is only our humble request and if you feel that you still need to make such comments, I am okay with that too just requesting you to take it to another thread!!!

P.S.: This is not a thread to discuss about who is right/wrong in astrology and how astrologers should use astrology... please take this discussion elsewhere or a good thread will be locked for no reason!!!

~ Pride leads to disgrace but with humility comes wisdom!!!

[howzat]

See dear explorings - i not come here to fight. i also can express my opinion no? yes or no? i asked saindhavi why she is saying Bal Saheb is bad after using horoscope - when data is only not correct - using Varahamihira? that is all. why you are defending her - i dont know.

[howzat]

by explorings » 20 Nov 2012 09:58
As both of us have mentioned earlier, you can put lagna anywhere and give your predictions and match it with some events of the person's life, which is still okay as long as you can provide a valid astrological deductions for the same. Similarly, you can also give your opinion/disprove the same and yet have a healthy discussion purely from astrological POV without undermining anyone.

ok - let us have healthy discussin of astrology -
what about Capri lagna? using LT Raj Kumars data? what is your opinion?

LT COL Raj Kumar has given following data - now take Bal sahebs horoscope with Capricorn lagna.
page 338 - born 23 Jan 1927 at 7AM Mumbai. put and see. Capricorn is coming.

[explorings]

See dear explorings - i not come here to fight. i also can express my opinion no? yes or no? i asked saindhavi why she is saying Bal Saheb is bad after using horoscope - when data is only not correct - using Varahamihira? that is all. why you are defending her - i dont know.

Please see below:

My dear friend, we are not asking you to not provide your comments/opinions, we are just requesting you to calm down and discuss astrology in a healthy way without hurting or undermining anyone or without any banter or passing disparaging comments!! It is only our humble request and if you feel that you still need to make such comments, I am okay with that too just requesting you to take it to another thread!!!

~ Pride leads to disgrace but with humility comes wisdom!!!

[howzat]

by explorings » 20 Nov 2012 00:46

howzat wrote:Bal Thackeray one horoscope is there with Capricorn lagna. another is there with Libra lagna. how many horoscope is there god only know. Now i am seeing with kanya lagna. I am full confuse.

You know Himalaya exists because you have read about it, seen it in movies, heard it in school, news, mass media, parents, etc. You personally do not have to go and see it especially when there is enough evidence of its existence.

I am clearly stating that I am yet to see a chart of Thackeray with Capricorn or Libra Lagna as I have not seen it nor heard of its existence. The first I have heard was from you. So please provide reference where you have obtained this information! Saindhaviji has provided a valid reference from "Astrosage" for a Virgo Lagna chart, even though the chart itself is incorrect with incorrect birth details.

see below - i am giving reference for Capricorn lagna. I have also provide 2 valid reference for a capricorn lagna chart. correct or not - you please tell.


LT COL Raj Kumar has given following data - now take Bal sahebs horoscope with Capricorn lagna.
page 338 - born 23 Jan 1927 at 7AM Mumbai. put and see. Capricorn is coming.

http://karmanyaastro.com/_Bal_Thackeray.html

explorings - so we are discussing horoscope or not? please tell.