to who emerges victorious, SL or WI and also astrology or intution .Dev
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True. But in 1983[26th June] Saturn was in retrograde motion in Libra and Jupiter[R] in Scorpio. At present Saturn is in direct motion in Libra and Jupiter is retrograde in Taurus. In both the cases Saturn and Jupiter influenced 1[Aries] -7[Libra] axis.In both the cases favrates to win the final, lost dramatically. In both case the team batted first won. regardsby map » 081012
It is almost after 30 years since 1983 that Windies have won a prestigious tophy. Looks like one round of Saturn is over for them.
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map
A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first.
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
Congrats Ket on your prediction.
Ket, Map and Anuradha:
India won Pakistan and thought they could win the title, Pak and SL won Aus and they thought they could and also Aus won India and thought they could win but all of them failed due to their over confidence and WI finally won after 30 years.
Ego and arrogance does not help in cricket and any field for that matter. Even SL captain said before the game that he was very proud they have been to the finals in every T20 world cup and he said he would try to win here, then he finally resigned as captain after the loss.
Dev
Ket, Map and Anuradha:
India won Pakistan and thought they could win the title, Pak and SL won Aus and they thought they could and also Aus won India and thought they could win but all of them failed due to their over confidence and WI finally won after 30 years.
Ego and arrogance does not help in cricket and any field for that matter. Even SL captain said before the game that he was very proud they have been to the finals in every T20 world cup and he said he would try to win here, then he finally resigned as captain after the loss.
Dev
Effect of pariharas
I would like to say how I feel.
All of us are materialistic to different extents and none totally spiritual.
When we have different problems, we plead to God to help us. Some may plead for smaller things like to get rid of fever or to get desired questions in the exams. Some pray for marriage, job and child issues and so on. Some others leave almost everything to God. Some pray only when they have dreadful diseases like cancer asking him, what sins have I done you have given me this and so on.
Anyway certain things are fated like your parents, your marriage, children etc.
There are other issues that when done with real prayers would work to different extents depending on the prarabhda. Also it would atleast give peace of mind even if the issue is not solved.
Only those with severe prarabhda would feel, nothing is good, why the hell should I do pariharas? But then that is not the right attitude.
We are all materialistic and aspire material things, so why not pray to God and ask him to solve issues.
Of course saints and munis have tolerated even when having diseases like cancer, leprosy etc and never wanted themselves to be cured, they took it as their prarabhda. Most humans do not have such a strong mind to accept what comes in their way. Eventually they have to accept and even if they dont, what happens will happen. But when they learn to accept the way everything goes, then there is no need for parihara but how many of us have reached that state? An issue to ponder over
Dev
I would like to say how I feel.
All of us are materialistic to different extents and none totally spiritual.
When we have different problems, we plead to God to help us. Some may plead for smaller things like to get rid of fever or to get desired questions in the exams. Some pray for marriage, job and child issues and so on. Some others leave almost everything to God. Some pray only when they have dreadful diseases like cancer asking him, what sins have I done you have given me this and so on.
Anyway certain things are fated like your parents, your marriage, children etc.
There are other issues that when done with real prayers would work to different extents depending on the prarabhda. Also it would atleast give peace of mind even if the issue is not solved.
Only those with severe prarabhda would feel, nothing is good, why the hell should I do pariharas? But then that is not the right attitude.
We are all materialistic and aspire material things, so why not pray to God and ask him to solve issues.
Of course saints and munis have tolerated even when having diseases like cancer, leprosy etc and never wanted themselves to be cured, they took it as their prarabhda. Most humans do not have such a strong mind to accept what comes in their way. Eventually they have to accept and even if they dont, what happens will happen. But when they learn to accept the way everything goes, then there is no need for parihara but how many of us have reached that state? An issue to ponder over
Dev
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Sudarshang
Dev
Even the one's that want moksha have to pray him for it and get it. Saints and munis also pray to Him as do the demi-gods. When Indra lost his kingdom to Bali he went to Him to ask for his help..not for his own moksha, but for recovering his lost wealth so that he could be Indra again. At any cost he is only interested in his power and status. Such being the state of demi-gods who are moreevolved than human beings, what to then say of human beings! (Kaimudika nyaayam).
Even the one's that want moksha have to pray him for it and get it. Saints and munis also pray to Him as do the demi-gods. When Indra lost his kingdom to Bali he went to Him to ask for his help..not for his own moksha, but for recovering his lost wealth so that he could be Indra again. At any cost he is only interested in his power and status. Such being the state of demi-gods who are moreevolved than human beings, what to then say of human beings! (Kaimudika nyaayam).
I was saying that feeding cows especially is superior to going to temples because in the former, there is no expectation and cows are most satvik and when we care for them, that is a great deed. Also caring for animals like dogs, cats, rabbits, etc are good too.
But as for going to the temple is concerned, most people go there asking for job, victory over enemies, good luck, good health and so on, not many go without any expectation in mind.
In fact I see near my house when I go for a walk, many coming to the temple.
A few are those who owe me some money, seeing me, they just walk away? Is it true bhakti?
Then the local Councillors come who have been highly corrupt.
Then I see some of my office people, who can boast of just one thing, they also have two legs and can walk fast.
See in the office I have seen people buttering and washing the feet of their boss to get things done. In fact they go to the extent of washing their toilets. They of course gain a lot from this but only to lose their self respect, which they don't care for since they do not know what it is. Then the boss is also one who expects all this since he knows once he retires, his son may put him in old age home. So he wants all these pretense.
I was told that several years back, former PM Morarji Desai had visited this office and the guest house to office distance was around 1 km. People went in cars to receive him at office, he said no and simply walked and then again he walked back. So similarly if the boss were to be honest, he would rather say, keep those to yourself, I don't need your service. That shows he is equally corrupt and tainted.
So when we come across such people in the temple, would not our BP shoot up? Of course we may go to visit God but then when these people stand in front of us, we cannot ignore seeing them.
I am also reminded of an incident that happened a few years back. In one temple, during a homam, one lady lost her purse which had 3000 rupees, she asked the authorities to announce and ask the person to drop it near some place without others knowledge but the one who stole it did not steal it for putting it back, isn't it? Then she was saying, he did this in the temple and he will die of snake poison or dog bite and all that. It was a Bairavar temple.
So is not taking care of cows a good option than visiting temples? Taking care of innocent animals is good where the expectation is not there. They do not have any hidden agenda in their minds.
Looking at the eyes of cows would give you satva, looking at the faces of those dirty people you would get BP. Decide for yourself which is better - satwa or BP.
Dev
But as for going to the temple is concerned, most people go there asking for job, victory over enemies, good luck, good health and so on, not many go without any expectation in mind.
In fact I see near my house when I go for a walk, many coming to the temple.
A few are those who owe me some money, seeing me, they just walk away? Is it true bhakti?
Then the local Councillors come who have been highly corrupt.
Then I see some of my office people, who can boast of just one thing, they also have two legs and can walk fast.
See in the office I have seen people buttering and washing the feet of their boss to get things done. In fact they go to the extent of washing their toilets. They of course gain a lot from this but only to lose their self respect, which they don't care for since they do not know what it is. Then the boss is also one who expects all this since he knows once he retires, his son may put him in old age home. So he wants all these pretense.
I was told that several years back, former PM Morarji Desai had visited this office and the guest house to office distance was around 1 km. People went in cars to receive him at office, he said no and simply walked and then again he walked back. So similarly if the boss were to be honest, he would rather say, keep those to yourself, I don't need your service. That shows he is equally corrupt and tainted.
So when we come across such people in the temple, would not our BP shoot up? Of course we may go to visit God but then when these people stand in front of us, we cannot ignore seeing them.
I am also reminded of an incident that happened a few years back. In one temple, during a homam, one lady lost her purse which had 3000 rupees, she asked the authorities to announce and ask the person to drop it near some place without others knowledge but the one who stole it did not steal it for putting it back, isn't it? Then she was saying, he did this in the temple and he will die of snake poison or dog bite and all that. It was a Bairavar temple.
So is not taking care of cows a good option than visiting temples? Taking care of innocent animals is good where the expectation is not there. They do not have any hidden agenda in their minds.
Looking at the eyes of cows would give you satva, looking at the faces of those dirty people you would get BP. Decide for yourself which is better - satwa or BP.
Dev
A note on gomatha from net. I could not attach the picture though.
Dev
Gomatha, the holy cow is abode of 33 crore Gods. Kamadhenu( wish fulfiller) as she is also called is believed to have emerged from ocean of milk( ksheera sagar) during Ksheera Sagara Madhanam. As all 33 crore gods reside in her it is believed that by mere worshiping her all the Graha Doshas ( ill effects of planets) can be nullified.
From times immemorial the Hindu tradition accorded motherly status to the divine cow. It is nothing surprising that daily worship in Hindu tradition begins with worshiping the holy cow. In fact Gomatha puja is believed as the highest form of worship. By worshiping Gomatha one can get the grace of all the 33 crore Gods and Goddesses. The sight of Gomatha itself is auspicious and it is also believed that worshiping holy cow will please the mother earth. And this in turn helps a country a lot.
Dev
Gomatha, the holy cow is abode of 33 crore Gods. Kamadhenu( wish fulfiller) as she is also called is believed to have emerged from ocean of milk( ksheera sagar) during Ksheera Sagara Madhanam. As all 33 crore gods reside in her it is believed that by mere worshiping her all the Graha Doshas ( ill effects of planets) can be nullified.
From times immemorial the Hindu tradition accorded motherly status to the divine cow. It is nothing surprising that daily worship in Hindu tradition begins with worshiping the holy cow. In fact Gomatha puja is believed as the highest form of worship. By worshiping Gomatha one can get the grace of all the 33 crore Gods and Goddesses. The sight of Gomatha itself is auspicious and it is also believed that worshiping holy cow will please the mother earth. And this in turn helps a country a lot.
Choti muh badi bat
This is what some people are in this forum and it wont be long before they get exposed.
When you do not know much, it is wrong to keep on interpreting others charts and saying it is good, average below average and suggest hundreds of pariharas and not one, and also gemstones which can be dangerous when the proper one is not suggested as also told by Sudarshan.
When people who do pariharas say they did not find any result, then what would such a person suggest.
Anyway I was suggested innumerable list of pariharas by many when I ran bad time and I did almost all of them and still I did not question whether it helped or not because I personally feel pariharas are good immaterial of whether they solve a particular issue or not, they give mental peace and they could solve in some cases and in some may not work.
Unfortunately this choti muh badi bat is more common among females though please note I am not generalising this.
Because, I have experienced this, one lady in Germany just knowing ABCD of music was teaching a french lady who bowed before her. Then she was teaching everything wrong and I was by her side, when the french lady left, she asked me, I said, all of it is wrong, she got it taped. Then her husband told me, I know this lady learnt ABCD of music when she was 5 and now after 40 years, she is trying to recollect and teach just to earn dollars, she is just cheating the community,
Same way, many ladies told their daughters sing very well and when they happened to sing, I felt I could not have a bigger punishment, I felt my prarabhda was decreasing.
So when people cannot do pariharas for themselves to get married, they should not rate others horoscope as excellent good average etc, when their knowledge of astrology is limited. It is unfortunate.
It is like Premananda who cheated people calling himself a Saint after a long time he got exposed.
Suggesting one or two or three pariharas is OK not hundreds since all people may not take it in the good sense(like for eg even if does not happen, I will feel, after all we did good by chanting slokas, that isenough).
So only difference between Premananda and this bogus astrologers coming out with rating every horoscope and giving thousands of pariharas is that here they dont take money, neverthless they also earn publicity unduely by responding to all. Telling everything negative is OK if you can substantiate it, but if you dont know and tell something negative, then why negative, you can as well tell positive.
Anyway this is what is expected in kaliyuga.
For eg I was asking my brother to request the neighbors not to eat fish or crab on the day of amavasya, that person was a Hindu and he shouted at him saying if he requests like this, he would even eat more. The lady who sells crabs and fishes shouts at the top of her voice when i do tarpan. So all this I have to bear with, unfortunately I never like to interfere in others business but the apartments are so constructed that I can smell it very clearly even if I close all windows.
In fact I dont even tell on amavasyas but this month is for pitrus and many are in fact aware of it and most Hindus refrain from eating and do tarpan too apart from brahmins.
Dev
This is what some people are in this forum and it wont be long before they get exposed.
When you do not know much, it is wrong to keep on interpreting others charts and saying it is good, average below average and suggest hundreds of pariharas and not one, and also gemstones which can be dangerous when the proper one is not suggested as also told by Sudarshan.
When people who do pariharas say they did not find any result, then what would such a person suggest.
Anyway I was suggested innumerable list of pariharas by many when I ran bad time and I did almost all of them and still I did not question whether it helped or not because I personally feel pariharas are good immaterial of whether they solve a particular issue or not, they give mental peace and they could solve in some cases and in some may not work.
Unfortunately this choti muh badi bat is more common among females though please note I am not generalising this.
Because, I have experienced this, one lady in Germany just knowing ABCD of music was teaching a french lady who bowed before her. Then she was teaching everything wrong and I was by her side, when the french lady left, she asked me, I said, all of it is wrong, she got it taped. Then her husband told me, I know this lady learnt ABCD of music when she was 5 and now after 40 years, she is trying to recollect and teach just to earn dollars, she is just cheating the community,
Same way, many ladies told their daughters sing very well and when they happened to sing, I felt I could not have a bigger punishment, I felt my prarabhda was decreasing.
So when people cannot do pariharas for themselves to get married, they should not rate others horoscope as excellent good average etc, when their knowledge of astrology is limited. It is unfortunate.
It is like Premananda who cheated people calling himself a Saint after a long time he got exposed.
Suggesting one or two or three pariharas is OK not hundreds since all people may not take it in the good sense(like for eg even if does not happen, I will feel, after all we did good by chanting slokas, that isenough).
So only difference between Premananda and this bogus astrologers coming out with rating every horoscope and giving thousands of pariharas is that here they dont take money, neverthless they also earn publicity unduely by responding to all. Telling everything negative is OK if you can substantiate it, but if you dont know and tell something negative, then why negative, you can as well tell positive.
Anyway this is what is expected in kaliyuga.
For eg I was asking my brother to request the neighbors not to eat fish or crab on the day of amavasya, that person was a Hindu and he shouted at him saying if he requests like this, he would even eat more. The lady who sells crabs and fishes shouts at the top of her voice when i do tarpan. So all this I have to bear with, unfortunately I never like to interfere in others business but the apartments are so constructed that I can smell it very clearly even if I close all windows.
In fact I dont even tell on amavasyas but this month is for pitrus and many are in fact aware of it and most Hindus refrain from eating and do tarpan too apart from brahmins.
Dev
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Sudarshang
Pariharas should be simple, accomplishable, and verifiable. Already people are hard pressed for time. 30 minutes is probably utmost most employed natives would spend on a dailiy basis. This is only my guestimate. There could be more committed natives that may be able to spend more time.
true but some give pariharas say 20 to 30 at a time and the same person says for some it wont work Then they also talk of gems and all that. The person seems to be contradicting her own statement by giving to many pariharas for one and by saying pariharas wont work for the other. It is really funny and unfortunately people are being misled by a so called astrologer.
Dev
Dev
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Sudarshang
There are several simple pariharas that are universal and applicable to all planets at large.
Yes, I can say the following are universal for all problems:
Annadan on large scale
Donations to old age home, anath ashrams, physically handicapped, mentally handicapped
Vastradaan, Vidyadan(teaching freely for the poor), Godan(donation of cow to one who will look after)
Gauseva(feeding the cows)
Other forms of social service
Serving ones own parents
feeding and donating to very poor brahmins
Donatings for leper and Aids
Protecting animals
Doing nishkamyakarma in general
After all this
Homam, Yagam, and then Vishnu Sahasranamam and other slokas
The first part is even more important because the second part is mostly done with expectation of results in most cases, but first part is done more like a nishkamya karma unless the donor wants his name to be painted on the 40 rupees tubelight that he donated(because he became so poor after this donation and hence a very big sacrifice on his part)
Dev
Annadan on large scale
Donations to old age home, anath ashrams, physically handicapped, mentally handicapped
Vastradaan, Vidyadan(teaching freely for the poor), Godan(donation of cow to one who will look after)
Gauseva(feeding the cows)
Other forms of social service
Serving ones own parents
feeding and donating to very poor brahmins
Donatings for leper and Aids
Protecting animals
Doing nishkamyakarma in general
After all this
Homam, Yagam, and then Vishnu Sahasranamam and other slokas
The first part is even more important because the second part is mostly done with expectation of results in most cases, but first part is done more like a nishkamya karma unless the donor wants his name to be painted on the 40 rupees tubelight that he donated(because he became so poor after this donation and hence a very big sacrifice on his part)
Dev
Sudarshan
You may have your opinion, but I feel that more than the slokas and visiting temple and so on, doing anna dan, gau seva, donating to anath asrams, handicapped people, old age home is the best service because in the former case, it is more selfish, I want this I want that and so on, but in the latter, even if were selfish, atleast others also benefit from that and further you are parting your money for the needy and helping feed poor, and so on.
Further what you say may be correct for ideal case, but I have seen people doing everything perfectly I mean pujas and so on, but their mind is highly corrupt and selfish and so on, You may say they may change later on but I have seen some not changing after 20 years. So external puja is of not much use, it must come from within.
For eg, many priests in the temple are after money, they push the people, then when they get huge money they allow longer darshan for the person, they also sometimes use foul language.
Of course, they are asked to serve God and you may call them Bhagavatas, I will not consider them Bhagavatas, they are worse then an atheist who does not disturb others but minds his own business.
If I incur sin for saying so, let it be so, it will not prevent me from telling the facts.
There was a rishi who was doing tapas, a scorpion bit him, he just slowly pushed him aside without killing the scorpion, then it bit him again and he did the same. A sishya asked him and he replied, his nature is to bite, my nature is to keep calm in such situations, so how am I affected.
This is the ideal most situation but bhagavatas must be like this and all those who do regular puja but are extremely rude and selfish can in no terms be called bhagavatas even if they know and do all pujas possible.
That is the reason, people doing the gau seva, social service, donations and so on seem better natured mostly than those who do puja. Of course some people are exceptions and devoted and are also good.
Dev
You may have your opinion, but I feel that more than the slokas and visiting temple and so on, doing anna dan, gau seva, donating to anath asrams, handicapped people, old age home is the best service because in the former case, it is more selfish, I want this I want that and so on, but in the latter, even if were selfish, atleast others also benefit from that and further you are parting your money for the needy and helping feed poor, and so on.
Further what you say may be correct for ideal case, but I have seen people doing everything perfectly I mean pujas and so on, but their mind is highly corrupt and selfish and so on, You may say they may change later on but I have seen some not changing after 20 years. So external puja is of not much use, it must come from within.
For eg, many priests in the temple are after money, they push the people, then when they get huge money they allow longer darshan for the person, they also sometimes use foul language.
Of course, they are asked to serve God and you may call them Bhagavatas, I will not consider them Bhagavatas, they are worse then an atheist who does not disturb others but minds his own business.
If I incur sin for saying so, let it be so, it will not prevent me from telling the facts.
There was a rishi who was doing tapas, a scorpion bit him, he just slowly pushed him aside without killing the scorpion, then it bit him again and he did the same. A sishya asked him and he replied, his nature is to bite, my nature is to keep calm in such situations, so how am I affected.
This is the ideal most situation but bhagavatas must be like this and all those who do regular puja but are extremely rude and selfish can in no terms be called bhagavatas even if they know and do all pujas possible.
That is the reason, people doing the gau seva, social service, donations and so on seem better natured mostly than those who do puja. Of course some people are exceptions and devoted and are also good.
Dev
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How and when does one get rid of karmic baggage?
Some bad happenings do teach us a lesson to be like water on lotus leaf. Sometimes we start to feel everything is destined when we suffer, at other times, we feel we have freewill which can help.
How to break slowly the karmic bonds, they are like bonds that are formed in a chemical compound which can be from very strong to very weak with several in between options.
As said in Gita expectation leads to disappointments.
Sometimes we are very closely bonded to some of our relatives and we try to mingle closely with them, sometimes they hurt us so much that we start hating them, then we realise, neither that extreme feeling of love we had for them nor the hatred is right and then we start having a relationship like water on lotus leaf.
This is same wrt to money, friendhips, relationships, greed, craze for a subject and so on.
When we hate a person to the core, with time, that hatred is reduced, similarly the love.
So when these special bonds either in the form of strong hatred and strong love is broken, then we have the love without expectation.
Such a situation arises in everyones life and everyone may develop vairagya to certain level which may be high or low. But then still it is very difficult to be totally away from any attachment or craving.
For eg, love towards, mother father, brothers, sisters, close friends and good relatives may be difficult to break.
That is why we have very few saints who are totally renounced. In fact, we have several saints who in spite of being in these respectable positions are not 100% truthful to their positions, this is what we hear, they still have weaknesses for money, for their family, for pleasures and for other things, if they are filtered, we then have only a few.
I am happy at Obama's victory not because I support him but because, I was telling someone he would win, just intution.
Anyway hope Indo US relations improve.
Anyway what an exalted saturn can do for makara lagna/rasi people should be clear to all.
Surprised to see low activity in the forum. Astroboy and some others posting interesting threads are not to be seen.
Dev
How and when does one get rid of karmic baggage?
Some bad happenings do teach us a lesson to be like water on lotus leaf. Sometimes we start to feel everything is destined when we suffer, at other times, we feel we have freewill which can help.
How to break slowly the karmic bonds, they are like bonds that are formed in a chemical compound which can be from very strong to very weak with several in between options.
As said in Gita expectation leads to disappointments.
Sometimes we are very closely bonded to some of our relatives and we try to mingle closely with them, sometimes they hurt us so much that we start hating them, then we realise, neither that extreme feeling of love we had for them nor the hatred is right and then we start having a relationship like water on lotus leaf.
This is same wrt to money, friendhips, relationships, greed, craze for a subject and so on.
When we hate a person to the core, with time, that hatred is reduced, similarly the love.
So when these special bonds either in the form of strong hatred and strong love is broken, then we have the love without expectation.
Such a situation arises in everyones life and everyone may develop vairagya to certain level which may be high or low. But then still it is very difficult to be totally away from any attachment or craving.
For eg, love towards, mother father, brothers, sisters, close friends and good relatives may be difficult to break.
That is why we have very few saints who are totally renounced. In fact, we have several saints who in spite of being in these respectable positions are not 100% truthful to their positions, this is what we hear, they still have weaknesses for money, for their family, for pleasures and for other things, if they are filtered, we then have only a few.
I am happy at Obama's victory not because I support him but because, I was telling someone he would win, just intution.
Anyway hope Indo US relations improve.
Anyway what an exalted saturn can do for makara lagna/rasi people should be clear to all.
Surprised to see low activity in the forum. Astroboy and some others posting interesting threads are not to be seen.
Dev
Hi Devji
"How and when does one get rid of karmic baggage?"
The how has already been given by so many across time and space. The real question is when.
"Sometimes we start to feel everything is destined when we suffer, at other times, we feel we have freewill which can help." -
We are all made of consciousness. So our destiny is sealed. Freewill is about when we are going to identify with truth. This is the when in your previous question.
The destiny vs freewill discussion that we generally have is about having unrestricted access to material possessions.
"That is why we have very few saints who are totally renounced."
IMO Ramana Maharishi was the last perfect Saint. He was equally least bothered about praise or brickbats . This is a very difficult state to attain. Real old school.
"How and when does one get rid of karmic baggage?"
The how has already been given by so many across time and space. The real question is when.
"Sometimes we start to feel everything is destined when we suffer, at other times, we feel we have freewill which can help." -
We are all made of consciousness. So our destiny is sealed. Freewill is about when we are going to identify with truth. This is the when in your previous question.
The destiny vs freewill discussion that we generally have is about having unrestricted access to material possessions."That is why we have very few saints who are totally renounced."
IMO Ramana Maharishi was the last perfect Saint. He was equally least bothered about praise or brickbats . This is a very difficult state to attain. Real old school.
Nothing is free except God's Grace.
Kandhan:
The how has already been given by so many across time and space. The real question is when.
I agree and know that, I just wrote what little I know in simple terms for those who may not even know this. It is like a teacher who teaches in class for some, they may find it easy, for some Ok and for some worth learning.
We are all made of consciousness. So our destiny is sealed. Freewill is about when we are going to identify with truth. This is the when in your previous question. The destiny vs freewill discussion that we generally have is about having unrestricted access to material possessions.
OK, here u mean free will is about our identifying with truth but then pariharas are done for materialistic purposes mostly and are based on free will, then how would that change the destiny?
IMO Ramana Maharishi was the last perfect Saint. He was equally least bothered about praise or brickbats . This is a very difficult state to attain. Real old school.
I agree he was one least bothered about the surroundings, and this state is difficult, may be we do not have any one now as per the true definition. May be I don't know. There may be someone hiding or not visible.
Anyway I know you are more spiritual than me .
Dev
The how has already been given by so many across time and space. The real question is when.
I agree and know that, I just wrote what little I know in simple terms for those who may not even know this. It is like a teacher who teaches in class for some, they may find it easy, for some Ok and for some worth learning.
We are all made of consciousness. So our destiny is sealed. Freewill is about when we are going to identify with truth. This is the when in your previous question.
The destiny vs freewill discussion that we generally have is about having unrestricted access to material possessions.OK, here u mean free will is about our identifying with truth but then pariharas are done for materialistic purposes mostly and are based on free will, then how would that change the destiny?
IMO Ramana Maharishi was the last perfect Saint. He was equally least bothered about praise or brickbats . This is a very difficult state to attain. Real old school.
I agree he was one least bothered about the surroundings, and this state is difficult, may be we do not have any one now as per the true definition. May be I don't know. There may be someone hiding or not visible.
Anyway I know you are more spiritual than me
.Dev
"We are all made of consciousness. So our destiny is sealed. Freewill is about when we are going to identify with truth. This is the when in your previous question. The destiny vs freewill discussion that we generally have is about having unrestricted access to material possessions.
OK, here u mean free will is about our identifying with truth but then pariharas are done for materialistic purposes mostly and are based on free will, then how would that change the destiny?"
As long as there is identification with not-self all these are required. The beauty of remedies can best be explained by moth and lamp analogy. The moth gets attracted towards the light of the lamp and comes near it out of its own 'freewill' only to get consumed in the light. !!! Similarly, remedies are done with 'freewill' to fulfill desires. But ever slowly, these remedies broaden the outlook of the mind. In this way movement towards our final goal starts.
"Anyway I know you are more spiritual than me " Far from it. In fact, my knowledge of Sanskrit is KinderGarten and yours is PhD.
OK, here u mean free will is about our identifying with truth but then pariharas are done for materialistic purposes mostly and are based on free will, then how would that change the destiny?"
As long as there is identification with not-self all these are required. The beauty of remedies can best be explained by moth and lamp analogy. The moth gets attracted towards the light of the lamp and comes near it out of its own 'freewill' only to get consumed in the light. !!! Similarly, remedies are done with 'freewill' to fulfill desires. But ever slowly, these remedies broaden the outlook of the mind. In this way movement towards our final goal starts.
"Anyway I know you are more spiritual than me " Far from it. In fact, my knowledge of Sanskrit is KinderGarten and yours is PhD.
Nothing is free except God's Grace.
As long as there is identification with not-self all these are required. The beauty of remedies can best be explained by moth and lamp analogy. The moth gets attracted towards the light of the lamp and comes near it out of its own 'freewill' only to get consumed in the light. !!! Similarly, remedies are done with 'freewill' to fulfill desires. But ever slowly, these remedies broaden the outlook of the mind. In this way movement towards our final goal starts.
I agree with all your points but I would say, for an evolved soul, remedies may not be required at all, is it not? He takes everything as destined and does not want to use his free will.
Far from it. In fact, my knowledge of Sanskrit is KinderGarten and yours is PhD.
That is too generous a statement. Yours in the above sentence needs to be replaced by your father and grand father, because they were so I mean my father and grand father, I know may be more than you.
Dev
I agree with all your points but I would say, for an evolved soul, remedies may not be required at all, is it not? He takes everything as destined and does not want to use his free will.
Far from it. In fact, my knowledge of Sanskrit is KinderGarten and yours is PhD.
That is too generous a statement. Yours in the above sentence needs to be replaced by your father and grand father, because they were so I mean my father and grand father, I know may be more than you.
Dev
DevjiDev wrote:... but I would say, for an evolved soul, remedies may not be required at all, is it not? He takes everything as destined and does not want to use his free will. Dev
Spiritual evolution is actually an involution. It is about going back to the source. This is what has been referred to as the inverted tree in Gita. And how does this involution take place? By slowly reducing action or exercise of freewill. OR slowly stopping identification with the fruits of the actions.
So yes. What you say is correct. This is the stage of complete surrender. Very difficult one.
Not everyone is able to renounce everything, retire to secluded places and meditate. Majority of us are destined to live in Sansaar. But the mind is a control freak. Always thinking and planing about future. Not content with the flow of the tide. .Nothing is free except God's Grace.
Spiritual evolution is actually an involution. It is about going back to the source. This is what has been referred to as the inverted tree in Gita. And how does this involution take place? By slowly reducing action or exercise of freewill. OR slowly stopping identification with the fruits of the actions.
Agreed, by inverted tree, you mean several branches branching out here and there, is it not? That is how we have dwaita, advita and vishitadwaita and several branches within each of these,
Yes, evolution takes by slowly reducing action or exercise of free will. It is easier said than done, may as you say, it will be slow and steady at least for those who want to evolve.
So yes. What you say is correct. This is the stage of complete surrender. Very difficult one. Not everyone is able to renounce everything, retire to secluded places and meditate. Majority of us are destined to live in Sansaar. But the mind is a control freak. Always thinking and planing about future. Not content with the flow of the tide.
Yes, complete surrender is sharanagathi, when I is totally dissolved which at present seems impossible, may be we need to grow to some extent even to realize if it would be practically realizable or not.
One need not have to retire to secluded places in order to meditate.
To achieve higher level, may be such an atmosphere is needed but then when he is higher up in the ladder, the place should not matter to him. At least for all of us, I hope we could only have lots of distortions, disturbances when we try to meditate.
May be you are able to, that is why you go to trans state every now and then .
Nothing is free except God's Grace.
It is God using his free will here, He can of course exercise his free will any time since He is the doer.
Dev
Agreed, by inverted tree, you mean several branches branching out here and there, is it not? That is how we have dwaita, advita and vishitadwaita and several branches within each of these,
Yes, evolution takes by slowly reducing action or exercise of free will. It is easier said than done, may as you say, it will be slow and steady at least for those who want to evolve.
So yes. What you say is correct. This is the stage of complete surrender. Very difficult one.
Not everyone is able to renounce everything, retire to secluded places and meditate. Majority of us are destined to live in Sansaar. But the mind is a control freak. Always thinking and planing about future. Not content with the flow of the tide. Yes, complete surrender is sharanagathi, when I is totally dissolved which at present seems impossible, may be we need to grow to some extent even to realize if it would be practically realizable or not.
One need not have to retire to secluded places in order to meditate.
To achieve higher level, may be such an atmosphere is needed but then when he is higher up in the ladder, the place should not matter to him. At least for all of us, I hope we could only have lots of distortions, disturbances when we try to meditate.
May be you are able to, that is why you go to trans state every now and then
.Nothing is free except God's Grace.
It is God using his free will here, He can of course exercise his free will any time since He is the doer.
Dev
"Agreed, by inverted tree, you mean several branches branching out here and there, is it not? That is how we have dwaita, advita and vishitadwaita and several branches within each of these,"
I understand the branches is as various vrittis of mind and various desires.
"May be you are able to, that is why you go to trans state every now and then ."
Correction. I get to that state every night and i am able to effortlessly maintain it for 6-8 hours.
I understand the branches is as various vrittis of mind and various desires.
"May be you are able to, that is why you go to trans state every now and then ."
Correction. I get to that state every night and i am able to effortlessly maintain it for 6-8 hours.
Nothing is free except God's Grace.
