83 and 84 born people with Exalted Saturn

[garima]

Yes,25-nov-1980,20:00,muzzafnagar(u.p.)

[deeps]

Ok basab.

[deeps]

Venus in own sign in libra sign gives one spouse. In both the charts, mars is in 7th house which shows ego clashes and hating in laws. The person time is bad till september 2013 due to 8th Lord period, after which Venus period will start.

7th Lord is conjunct with 8th Lord, this confirms he will also have issues in his marriage. With Ketu dasha on, Ketu will give the effects of 8th Lord, so quite possibly things may not be rosy in marriage till sep 2013. Reconciliation looks possible after that.

It will be to advisable to wait for sometime before applying for divorce.

[anxious2711]

I don't think Saturn return has much effect in a person's life. I find it over-hyped.

Yes, I tend to agree. I went my Saturn return a few days back (I mean exact degree point) and to be honest I did not see any changes. I started my Saturn AD in mid-august, just after Saturn entered Libra, at that moment, I saw many many effects, so I believe the AD has more effect than Saturn return.

[deeps]

Saturn return does not mean one will become Bill Gate. Changes usually happen at psychological level and gives us a new way at looking things.

[garima]

Garima, I have already written earlier that her life will change for better but gradually from 30 years onward.
Her Venus, sun, Moon, Mars, Guru antardasha are important for her in terms of prosperity and happiness.

Sir,30yrs here means 30+2012=2042 or30yrs of lady's age?

[anxious2711]

Saturn return does not mean one will become Bill Gate. Changes usually happen at psychological level and gives us a new way at looking things.

Yes, I know that much, I was just under the impression that Saturn return is a difficult period for people. But in my case, whatever problems/tensions that I experienced started with my Saturn AD (don't get me wrong I also got a lot of positive effects in different areas of my life). But on Saturn return I didn't notice much difference.

[deeps]

Well, Many people have found their lives changed post saturn return or turning 30 like finding their true calling, finding their soul mate, starting their new and serious career, having first baby, as per one USA survey, divorce is at peak around 28 to 30, etc. Like for instance, Amitabh Bachchan found his angry persona in the form of Zanjeer around 30.6 age and also married Jaya Bahadur. Before that he was a struggler. And his career took serious shape from that age only.

I need to see your chart before I can comment.

[anxious2711]

Yes, I understand that, I am progressing on the career front, and am foreseeing a lot of changes during this transit. But when looking at Saturn return at the exact degree point (my Saturn is at 6'10 Libra), I did not see much effects. A lot more happened before that, and that is why I am starting to take more interest in the MEP methodology (my lagna being at 29'33).

[Praveens.solans]

Hi All -

I am one of those 84 born with exalted saturn.
DOB: 18 November 1984
TOB: 11:39 AM
Place of birth: Coimbatore

How does this exalted saturn influence my life in general. Esp. career & marriage life.Kindly advise.

I general my experience was that, everything happened with a delay. All good things & success happened in a delayed manner. This makes me think that I am not getting what i really deserve while others get success w/o much effort.
Right now my marriage is also getting delayed.
I agree saturn's nature is to delay things. My thought is what is the point of giving good things at a later stage in life where in you are almost done with your life.You will not be in position to enjoy even though you have. It is a waste anyways Certain things can be enjoyed only when it is got at the right time.

[deeps]

I agree saturn's nature is to delay things. My thought is what is the point of giving good things at a later stage in life where in you are almost done with your life.You will not be in position to enjoy even though you have. It is a waste anyways Certain things can be enjoyed only when it is got at the right time.

Well, it is actually good if one gets things after some delay. The good thing is that whatever we get after some delay is often long lasting. Immediate gratification is never good. This current transit of Lord Saturn till Nov'14 will be good for you in terms of career and marriage. You are likely to get married by 30th age.

Is your career connected to communication or physcis or which involve extensive use of hands? Do you travel a lot or often visits abroad in connection with your work?

[Praveens.solans]

Hi Deeps

I am actually a post graduate in physics but I work in software field. Currently I am in US for the past 1.5 yrs.

[astrolearner15]

I recently looked at the chart of my cousin who has Saturn as 8th lord and in libra. She has had a decent life, not bad nor good. Is this placement of Saturn bad for her?

[deeps]

Thanks Praveen for the feedback. It clearly shows that what subjects we will study is already destined for us.

Since 10th Lord is Venus who is the karaka for computers shows your career in software field in 12th house of foreign languages which means programming languages in computer

Lord Saturn is your strongest planet in a chart and since you are aware of His slow giving trait, so you will get everything but after delay but you will get in the end.

You have a good Mahapurush Yoga and likely to see more positive results post 35 years.

[Praveens.solans]

Hi Deeps -

Thank you for showering your expertise.

[deeps]

Astrolearner,

What are the other details of the planets? Is she working?

[astrolearner15]

Astrolearner,

What are the other details of the planets? Is she working?

Yes she works, but the job isn't really well paying as such according to her, and the work environment isn't great either.

Ascendant: Gemini

Planitary Placements:
Third House: Mars & Venus
Fourth House: Mercury & Sun
Fifth House: Saturn
Sixth House: Jupiter, Ketu
Eleventh House: Moon
Twelfth House: Rahu

[karthik1984]

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[Indweller]

Dear Indweller ji,

Thanks for sharing your past experience with exalted Saturn. Looks to me you are 53/ 54/ 55 born person.

Yes Sade-sati in the periods of dusthana houses can be bad. Other periods can be during Saturn/ Rahu/Mars/ Moon.

Great to see you have a transformation in your life during Saturn Return in 1982. Doing sadhana with enlightened Guru can be a very memorable experience. I remember when I stayed at Chinmaya Mission Ashram for a week and it was enlightening to have personal discussions with Guru there.

The next Saturn return will happen in 2014, I think. Every 30 years is a transitional period. You will be giving more wise advise. However, it will also depend on the dasha. If Moon dasha has started, for Kanya Lagna moon is 11th Lord and I think your Moon must be in own sign. If that is so, your life will become more fulfilling in moon periods.

My dear Deeps ji,
thank you for your kindly reply. Yes, you are correct, I'm born 10th jan.1955, Chandra MD is going on and I'm at present time in Chandra / Sani / Sukra.

Yes I agree, doing sadhana with an enlightened Guru is one of the best things one can do. The best company is with the enlightened ones they say, and I'm sure you had a good and memorable time in the Chinmaya Mission.

Concerning Moon, I can't say Moon has lived up to my expectations! Like you've said Moon is in her own sign in 11th together with exalted Guru (retrograde and vargottama). My financial situation is not so good, but on the other hand my relation to my mother is very good and I help her every day with practical things. Sani is aspecting Moon from 2d. However I have occasionally had financial support from my mother because I'm unemployed.

Some here say Sani doesn't have any influence during Transit. I've heard somewhere that big planets like Sani is more influencing the big masses of people during transits, for example on a national level!? Maybe also Guru has this influence during transit!? Would be interesting to hear your opinion on this.

Then you said that Sani probably shows his effects on a psychological level and gives us new ways of looking at things. It might be so because the past 4-5 years was a really inward going period of my life that changed my lifevalues completely. But this could maybe also be due to the Surya in 4th house. It all started when I was in Surya / Sukra period.

I have a question concerning transits deeps ji. Need a planets MD or AD to be active for a planetary transit to have effect, or does it yield an effect anyway?

Regards

[deeps]

Concerning Moon, I can't say Moon has lived up to my expectations! Like you've said Moon is in her own sign in 11th together with exalted Guru (retrograde and vargottama). My financial situation is not so good, but on the other hand my relation to my mother is very good and I help her every day with practical things. Sani is aspecting Moon from 2d. However I have occasionally had financial support from my mother because I'm unemployed.

Indweller ji,

I casted your chart based on Virgo Lagna. Yes, 4th house of Mother is exalted in 11th house of gains and conjunct with Lord Moon, the karaka for mother. It definitely shows that you are destined to enjoy a very cordial and attachment towards her. This is also a Very good Gajkesari Yoga.

Frankly speaking, the chart is good for spiritual pursuits. 5th Lord exalted in 2nd house shows good poorva Janam and good family background and education. Lagna Lord in 5th house also shows that. There is mutual aspects of Mercury and Moon and Guru.

Venus aspecting own sign in 9th house of spiritual pursuits. There is not bad aspects on the Mercury, an intelligent planet.

The connection between the 5th and 2nd house is a good dhan Yoga. 11th Lord in own sign also shows of side incomes.

The employment problem happened in Sun dasha of 12th Lord? How was Mercury and Venus period?

[Ghrishneswar]

Gauri,
The marriage house shows some challenges:
7L is placed 12th from itself in 6H.
Ketu is present in 7H and is disposited by JU. (see above)
Mars a natural and functional malefic for gemini lagna and has fulll aspect on 7H and 8H.(ruthless, harsh, belligerent)
Full drishti of exalted Saturn from 5H. (sorrow and drudgery )
Sun aspecting 7H.(ego, domination, separation).
All 5 planets aspecting 7H are afflicted by Rahu this compounding/magnifying the issue.
Moon is in lagna in Mercury's house (in amavasya).

For woman the spouse karaka is Mars and first husband is represented by Jupiter.
Since Mars is in lagna the pattern gets repeated from Mars including afflication by Rahu.
From Jupiter. Jupiter is under papa kartari by Saturn and ketu. 8th from Jupiter has a conglomeration of 5 planets including Ra. This is again challenging.

Going to D9.
In D9 The 7L is Mercury and again placed on 12H from itself in 6H. Challenging placement. Su is again causing issues by association with 7L Mercury.
Jupiter is placed in Virgo in D9. This is good as it is 7L in D1 (rasi).
Ve and Mercury are friends and their combination in D9 is good but Sun's presence is causing issues.
in D9 7L mercury has full aspect of Mars from 3H and Saturn from 12H. This can be very challenging as you already know.
7L Mercury in D9 is under severe stress from Saturn, mars and Sun. All have either full aspect or association with Mercury in D9.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi All

There are two points I want to bring in about exalted Saturn.

(1) 83 and 84 people not only has an exalted Saturn. They have Pluto in LIbra too. Given the character of Pluto being just like Mars which is a first class malefic, having Saturn conjuncting Pluto is not going to make life easier for those people born under these years.

Pluto has the constricting and long lasting effect which Mars does not have, though. So Pluto conjunct Saturn can make the person highly obsessive. Pluto also comes with choices that are monumental that can affect the person's entire life. So conjuncting Saturn, unless these planets are ruling good houses, it can mean one going over the abyss and never able to recover fully, if at all.

Saturn as 9th lord is not that smooth for some.

(2) Astrology from Kerala actually said that if Saturn rules the 9th house and it goes into the 8th house and enjoys exalted Navamsa, there will be loss of property. This could also mean unable to pay one's rents, downsizing in the value of the house etc.

(3) In another post, I mentioned that if Saturn rules the 9th and gets posited in the 2nd or 5th aspected by a malefic. Saturn being a trinal lord is of no help here. No wonder SOME Taurean and Geminia Ascendants feel the pinch.

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[deeps]

Yes she works, but the job isn't really well paying as such according to her, and the work environment isn't great either.

Ascendant: Gemini

Planitary Placements:
Third House: Mars & Venus
Fourth House: Mercury & Sun
Fifth House: Saturn
Sixth House: Jupiter, Ketu
Eleventh House: Moon
Twelfth House: Rahu

Yeah, she is not getting what she wants. She will get some job and work for some months and then may leave and then join the other job. Everything comes to her after delay which is the trait of Lord Saturn. Depending on the dasha, the current Lord Saturn's transit will change her life in this Ashtam Shani. There will be trials and tribulations but it will be better for her.

[deeps]

My cousin sister is 83 born.
Shani is exalted in her chart, and gazing the the 7th house from its natal position and she is running Shani MD until 2024 and shani in transit is also exalted and aspecting the 7th house.
She did engineering and now on a very well paid job in europe.She has all the materilaistic things anybody can ask for...truely a humble,soft spoken ,self made lady.
But her marital life is a complete mess. Husband is the most ruthless, dominating, egoistic person I have seen in my life.
Though her Venus the marriage karak is in swakshetra in navamsa and conjunction with 7th lord and exalted shani haven't given peace of mind.
Her DOB : 10th July 1983 , time :04.29 am ,Place :Amritsar,India
Hope she will come out of this mess soon and will find a loving,caring person....

Her marriage life does not look happy as 7th Lord and 7th house has lots of malefics apects. I think she also struggled a lot in her life.

[Indweller]

Indweller ji,

I casted your chart based on Virgo Lagna. Yes, 4th house of Mother is exalted in 11th house of gains and conjunct with Lord Moon, the karaka for mother. It definitely shows that you are destined to enjoy a very cordial and attachment towards her. This is also a Very good Gajkesari Yoga.

Frankly speaking, the chart is good for spiritual pursuits. 5th Lord exalted in 2nd house shows good poorva Janam and good family background and education. Lagna Lord in 5th house also shows that. There is mutual aspects of Mercury and Moon and Guru.

Venus aspecting own sign in 9th house of spiritual pursuits. There is not bad aspects on the Mercury, an intelligent planet.

The connection between the 5th and 2nd house is a good dhan Yoga. 11th Lord in own sign also shows of side incomes.

The employment problem happened in Sun dasha of 12th Lord? How was Mercury and Venus period?

dear deeps ji,
thank you for looking into my chart. Yes, Kanya lagna is correct. For you to see my correct chart, I was born 10th of january 1955, time: 00:05 (no daylight savings), Lat: 62N51' Long: 15E54'

Your interpretation concerning 4th house (mother) ruler in 11th and 11th ruler Moon in 11th is very accurate. I knew abt Gajakesari Yoga but I think some say it will be reduced due to Guru's backward motion.

Could you please explain Poorva Janam, is it something to do with karma from previous lifes, dharma etc?
One astrologer once told me 5th lord in 2d shows truthful speech.

Ok, that was interesting to hear that Surya as 12th lord is causing employment problems! The climax on this issue, when I finally lost my job, was during Chandra / Chandra / Surya. I also have Rahu in conjunction with Surya, could he also be involved!?

Concerning loss of job, what do you think abt having Budha placed in the 8th from 10th. However, Budha is not aspected by any malefic and he is in a benefic trikona house, at the same time he is also as lagna ruler a ruler over the first trikona house.

I started my life in Sani Mahadasa. The Budha period was a very happy period of my life, however in the middle of Budha MD I had to move to another place with my parents. This resettling happened in Budha / Surya.

In the end of 1974 I went into Ketu MD and here problems started. I was partying a lot, drinking alcohol and smoking drugs. It was a real devastating period, like living without a brain!

In the beginning of 1982 I kind of woke up and knew I couldn't live this devastating life. This resulted in the 21th of feb. 1982 ( I remember it like yesterday) I was recieving my mantra which led to living a healthy and normal life. I had some really good experiences in my meditations which encouraged me to keep on going this path of spirituality. In the end of 1981 I went into Sukra MD and it was during this period I went to a monastry meditating more intense.

I left the monastry in the beginning of 1988 (Sukra / Mangala ) and was struggling with job again. I was winning money on lotto together with some workmates in 1989 ($15 000 with todays money) and could pay some debts.

Stopped meditating duting th 90's and felt completely lost. But I just couldn't continoue meditating my techniques, because they didn't work anymore.

Around 2005 I went to a course in Chennai that changed me a lot. After this my spiritual path has went on without techniques, it has been more about beingness and not becommingness.

So by this deeps ji, you can probably see what planets and houses was active during the different happenings in my lifestory!

All the best