Pacifying Rahu during the Goddess Festival (Navratri)

[shilpa]

Chhota Bheem,

Who are we to give or not give any hymn to anyone?

It is the Goddess who decides who should know about it and she sends them here to get it. ( what you are trying to say... Are you God

We - and others here - are only the mechanism through which they get it.

Those injunctions were relevant for the mediaeval ages when information was not freely accessible and only a handful of people could get access to information. ( who has given this thought to you to interpret)

Nowadays all these hymns are freely downloadable from the Internet and YouTube. ( so let it be)

I am also against controlling information exclusively like that. All are God's equal children and all have equal right to get it.

If they misuse it or recite without devotion, that's between the Goddess and them. She will settle the matter with them. We are no one to judge them.

( this is childish act way of expressing. If you have done this with your will ful intention, you also have to incur negative Karma, do not involve God here please)

Dear Ket,
The comment made by you in pink font below is off-topic, personal and deemed offensive
Request you remove this comment.......
Feedback of personal nature may be sent in PM or email to the concerend but not posted on the forum

Thanks

[shilpa]

Dear Chotta Bheem, Howzatt, Ket and others,

If any one of you believes a member is posting something inapprproiate...please report that post using the report button....or send a PM to a moderator or admin.

It is not required to directly confront the poster and pass judgements on what she should or should not be doing.

Because it creates friction and off topic material multiplies on the forum.

Dear saindhavi,
Please do not respond to off topic comments or remarks and help to keep in check the issue.
Please point out off topic comments to mods / admins.

regards

[chota bheem]

Dear Chotta Bheem, Howzatt, Ket and others,

If any one of you believes a member is posting something inapprproiate...please report that post using the report button....or send a PM to a moderator or admin.

It is not required to directly confront the poster and pass judgements on what she should or should not be doing.

Because it creates friction and off topic material multiplies on the forum.

Dear saindhavi,
Please do not respond to off topic comments or remarks and help to keep in check the issue.
Please point out off topic comments to mods / admins.

regards

DEAR SHILPA
AS THIS IS A FORUM WE HAVE A RIGHT TO EXPRES OUR VIEWS ESPECIALY WHEN THE POSTER HERE IS DOING SOMETHING WHERE WE ALL ARE CONCURRING TO BE ITSELF INNAPROPRIATE
PLEASE DO READ THE ENTIRE TOPIC BEFORE CHOOSING SOMEONE TO CHAMPION
NO ONE IS BEING AGGRESSIVE AND IN ESSENCE ALL HAVE THE SAME VALUE OF MANTRAS
ESSENTIALLY THE ESSENCE OF YOUR POST HERE CONVEYS THAT ONLY ONE PERSON HAS THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS ON THIS FORUM WHICH IS FOR ALL, YOUR POST ALSO CREATES DISSENSION AS OPPOSED TO PEACE. THIS IS VERY JUDGMENTAL AND MORE OVER INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR FOR A MODERATOR
SPEAKING OF WHICH ACCORDING THE ASSIGNED MODERATORS FOR EACH SECTION SWAMYKOOL IS THE MODERATOR OF THIS SECTION SO PLEASE DONT FAVOUR YOUR FRIENDS HERE.
HOPE YOU TAKE THIS IN THE RIGHT SPIRIT.


TNX

[shilpa]

Dear Chotta Bheem, Howzatt, Ket and others,

If any one of you believes a member is posting something inapprproiate...please report that post using the report button....or send a PM to a moderator or admin.

It is not required to directly confront the poster and pass judgements on what she should or should not be doing.

Because it creates friction and off topic material multiplies on the forum.

Dear saindhavi,
Please do not respond to off topic comments or remarks and help to keep in check the issue.
Please point out off topic comments to mods / admins.

regards

DEAR SHILPA
AS THIS IS A FORUM WE HAVE A RIGHT TO EXPRES OUR VIEWS ESPECIALY WHEN THE POSTER HERE IS DOING SOMETHING WHERE WE ALL ARE CONCURRING TO BE ITSELF INNAPROPRIATE
PLEASE DO READ THE ENTIRE TOPIC BEFORE CHOOSING SOMEONE TO CHAMPION
NO ONE IS BEING AGGRESSIVE AND IN ESSENCE ALL HAVE THE SAME VALUE OF MANTRAS
ESSENTIALLY THE ESSENCE OF YOUR POST HERE CONVEYS THAT ONLY ONE PERSON HAS THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS ON THIS FORUM WHICH IS FOR ALL, YOUR POST ALSO CREATES DISSENSION AS OPPOSED TO PEACE. THIS IS VERY JUDGMENTAL AND MORE OVER INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR FOR A MODERATOR
SPEAKING OF WHICH ACCORDING THE ASSIGNED MODERATORS FOR EACH SECTION SWAMYKOOL IS THE MODERATOR OF THIS SECTION SO PLEASE DONT FAVOUR YOUR FRIENDS HERE.
HOPE YOU TAKE THIS IN THE RIGHT SPIRIT.


TNX

^Dear Chotta Bheem,

As per the guidelines of the forum...please report the inappropriateness throuhg specified means....and not confront directly.
Mods and admins have been appointed by the forum to decide what is right and what is not.
The users do not decide that amongst themselves....they simply report the matter.

you have been warned once for continued offensive language.please refrain.

regards

[shilpa]

Dear Chotta Bheem and KET,

please refrain from further off topic comments on the board as I have seen both of you do.
and send a PM or email......if you are requesting further discussion.

With this advise I will remove your offtopic comments and new threads.

However I welcome you to send your specific queries / feedback / suggestions / complains in PM or email to any mod or admin.

regards

[KET]

Elaborate what is off topic.... please

[swamykool]

Dear KET & CB,

If you have any complaint against any moderator pl PM or Email either VP or Ramanan ji. Don't put it on the forum.

Also to note, religious rituals follow different schools of thought, so there are many different opinions. We cannot conclusively say that one school is wrong and another is right.

One member had given her views, that's ok. You and CB have made your contention known. THAT'S OK TOO. But do not pursue this any further. Its impossible to settle religious doctrinal debates in the forum.

Let's leave it at that.

SK

[KET]

SKji...

I agree with that... But fundamentally, it is not school of thoughts on religious... religious nly one school... SKji... chantin of mantras will be different but scripture is same

The issue is on one post the same astrologer says consumption of alcohol and remedies is o.k... it is culture... Do you accept this. A astrologer when predicts/ prescribe remedies to innocent people should be ethic minded.

The same astrologer will say tomorrow to a LOVA member, after consuming alcohol one can go to temple. Do you think there are two schools f thoughts on this? Do you accept this version

I have alerted V.P. on this practice by said astrologer, and suggested if the divine remedies are coming through from said astrologer let it be scanned by Ramananji or Srinivas Rao ji or even Vaughnji

[swamykool]

KET

I don't agree on this point. Scriptures are one but interpretations differ. It is these interpretations that make the different schools.

The Shaktas and Shaiva schools use alchohol in the puja proper. Refer to the famous Kaalbhairav Temple of Ujjain, where Sura or Alchohol is used as naivedya and distributed as prasad.

The Shaktas even use meat in their style of pujas, allowing numerous animal sacrifices. Also Alchohol. They consider these methods correct. They are equally numerous.

The Rig Veda has hundreds of references of animal sacrifices and offerings of alchohol. In fact Indra was propitiated with the offering of Sura, and Agni with offering of Havi (animal fat). Refer Rig Veda.

So, as you can see, interpretations differ. And you can only make your contention known. One cannot shove one's version down someone's throat. That's not ok.

And as I said, let's leave it at that.

SK

[Sudarshang]

Agree with SK..ji on this. There are several references in vedas in general and rig veda in particulzr to use of alcohol and meat. Back in Rajasthan where I studied, there was a shiv mandir called bholenath mandir where the final offering was grass (aka marijuana) that is then smoked in chillam by the priests and is shared with devotees as well. Also several Atharva veda practices have to be done only after consumption of alcohol.

[anuradha]

In Tantra Sadhana under a Guru its permissible not with the general remedies. Bhairo Mandir is a place for Tantra Sahdhana. Please do not mix the two things. If it is allowed then Shankryachyaji must have endoresed it. Regards

[explorings]

In all my posts on this thread, I have mentioned that fast and consume veg food one time in a day (avoid garlic and onions); if you cannot fast then try to be a vegetarian (no meat/chicken/fish/eggs), also no alcohol and observe celibacy.

Others have pointed out the way navratri is observed in different parts of the country and there is nothing wrong in sharing information about the same.

I would strongly urge all readers to please read posts carefully before you start commenting on it. The problem is not misinterpretation the problem is misreading the information and that's where confusion begins!

Similarly, there is nothing wrong in reciting Kunjika Stotram or even Kilak stotram even though both say that these stotras should be kept as secret and should be given to Bhakts. IMO, just because the mantra says that Goddess should keep it as a secret and therefore except for Bhakts no one should have access to this mantra sounds weird. Both these mantras do not require initiation and are easy to recite. At the end of the day, people who believe in Mother will pray to her in any form/stotra.

[explorings]

OK, I didn't see SK's post.... he seems to be handling this well, so he will take care of the rest!

[KET]

In Tantra Sadhana under a Guru its permissible not with the general remedies. Bhairo Mandir is a place for Tantra Sahdhana. Please do not mix the two things. If it is allowed then Shankryachyaji must have endoresed it. Regards

Yes Anuradhaji. I came late for to reply the post, your entry welcome. Regards

KET
I don't agree on this point. Scriptures are one but interpretations differ. It is these interpretations that make the different schools.
The Shaktas and Shaiva schools use alchohol in the puja proper. Refer to the famous Kaalbhairav Temple of Ujjain, where Sura or Alchohol is used as naivedya and distributed as prasad.
The Shaktas even use meat in their style of pujas, allowing numerous animal sacrifices. Also Alchohol. They consider these methods correct. They are equally numerous.
The Rig Veda has hundreds of references of animal sacrifices and offerings of alchohol. In fact Indra was propitiated with the offering of Sura, and Agni with offering of Havi (animal fat). Refer Rig Veda.
So, as you can see, interpretations differ. And you can only make your contention known. One cannot shove one's version down someone's throat. That's not ok.
And as I said, let's leave it at that.

SK

SK ji... You are mixing different things here. If the mistake is done by said astrologer is a mistake is a mistake. Now let me clarify your points ( please forgo the points some one said I studied Rajastan and ppl smoked etc)
Tantrism & Vedic astrology.... are different... Let me take you through this
There are various systems in Indian spiritual practices that have granted benefits to practitioners. They can easily be categorized broadly as:
• The Vedic System (i.e., the system based on the Vedas). This approach deals with detailed Rituals, requiring strict discipline over long periods; various; and strict training under well versed Vedic scholars
• The Yogic System (based on Pathanjali's Yoga Sutras). Again, this approach requires long and arduous discipline under highly qualified teachers. Like the Vedic system, Yoga requires a certain amount of renunciation and is intended for ultimate realisation of Godhead.
• The Tantric System. The Tantric practices are slightly different in content and quality from ordinary spiritual practices, in which a great emphasis is laid on renunciation, restraint, etc. It is said that, by Tantric practices, one attains both the worldly pleasures and ultimate realisation without any form of renunciation.
Practitioners of tantra use five elements (panca tattva), : mansa (meat), matsya (fish), madya (alcohol), mudra (parched grain), and maithuna (sexual intercourse).
For a Tantric practitioner, every day is a new birth, bereft of the Karma of the past day. He will have no baggage to carry around! { Please note this... the said astrologer is a tantrk?}

The greatest of Tantra is that once the student becomes a full fledged practitioner, person will no longer be governed by the normal rules of Karma. The Karmic bond is snapped once for all once the student becomes a real Tantric. Person is no longer bound by the mundane differentiations of GOOD and BAD. ( please note this)

Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”
Fact: The mantra states that brilliant scholars enlighten the world in the manner that wood enhances the fire of Yajna. We fail to understand from where did our friend(translator) discover Indra, cow, calf, horse and buffalo in this mantra! Also, there is a word "Gavyam", which are five in numbers according to Aayurved-cow's milk, curd, butter, Mutra and Apashisht. Where does the flesh come into the picture? Mantra clearly says that the king should be well built through Saatvik bhojan like Ghrit, so that he can defend his country and kill the monsters. ( Refer my post on Panchakavyam for Lord Shiva Abhisekam)

...contd

[KET]

SK ji... continuation....

The concept of sacrifice is woven into the Hindu way of life...But sacrifice as written in the scriptures is about the sacrifice of the ego. The concept of giving up and letting go was paramount. According to the Vedic Scriptures, the simplest sacrifice was to abstain from food once a week. This was not only seen as a sacrifice but was also meant to purify the body. Less food means less production of blood. An empty stomach also aids in meditation...

Unfortunately, over a period of time, it came to be interpreted as 'sacrifice of blood' Man's ingenuity led him to find ways to sacrifice blood instead of him sacrificing a meal! This led to animal sacrifice and then unfortunately to human sacrifices as well...Adi Shankara, the spiritual guru par excellence was instrumental in ensuring that this undesirable practice was discontinued at many spiritual centres...the coconut or Kum Kum ( Turmeric powder colored in Red) was chosen as a suitable substitute by people who did not want to give up the practice of 'bali' or sacrifice of animals and humans... The coconut chosen because resembles the human head in many ways. The coir outside resembles the human tuft of hair. The hard nut, the skull, the water inside the blood and the kernel is akin to the mental space. Another interpretation equated the outer shell to the human being’s gross physical body and the kernel to the subtle body… A coconut is quite like the human womb. The inner kernel is protected from outside influences and chances of getting polluted are very minimal... Kum Kum powder resembles red color and its poured on Coconut during vedic functions at home and at temple for deities.

Now summing up
Tantrics of the “right-hand path” would use substitutes for the five elements. For example, a coconut might take the place of meat, and milk might replace alcohol. Instead of actually engaging in sexual intercourse, practitioners of the “right-hand path” might meditate upon Shakti and Shiva engaged in coitus and thus envision the universe as a union between feminine and masculine.

Regards

[Talib]

Similarly, there is nothing wrong in reciting Kunjika Stotram or even Kilak stotram even though both say that these stotras should be kept as secret and should be given to Bhakts. IMO, just because the mantra says that Goddess should keep it as a secret and therefore except for Bhakts no one should have access to this mantra sounds weird.

[explorings]

This thread is going off topic so I would like it back to the topic of the thread, which is Pacifying Rahu during Navratri.

Couple of readers have shared their experiences on various threads, after worshipping Goddess during Sandhi Kaal, I am collating some interesting experiences here, which may help us further our research:

I did as u sugessted. I listened to the siddha kunjika stotram 2 times and for the rest of the time I did the AUM Aim Hrim Klim Chamundaya Vichche. and I did not stop I continued doing Durga chalisa 21 times (one hour)after that. Interestingly after 6 hours I saw a small black snake leaving my yard and going towards the gate leaving the house. Im keeping my fingers crossed and hoping it is a good omen.I dint feel any fear when I saw the snake justsaid Jai Maa Durga and came back. I read some article that said on saturday of navratri if u read the whole Durga saptashati u get the result of chanting it one crore times. dont know how far that is true but did it anyway and hope the dear Mother will be pleased and bless us all. Im glad I read ur article on time and acted upon it.
thanks
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12129#p93532

i sat down started off with durga chalisa and then the navaran mantra, but my mind was not focussed i was thinking of the almond mithai that i had to prepare and offer to the Devi mata after the sandhikaal pooja, didnt hav time to fix the mithai before of i had offered fruits to the deities , but an awesome thing happened all of a sudden i all the Goddess maa Saraswati, Maa Lakshmi and Maa Parvati appeared in my mind and before I knew it I was offering them Lotuses mithai, and I also put tilak for them and also put anklets on them!!! They were absolutely gorgeous around 21 yrs old . I could also smell their lovely fragrance and everything was so co-ordinated im putting white and gold bangles for Maa Saraswati red and gold bangles for Maa Lakshmi and green and gold Banglesfor Maa Parvati.
after the sandhi kaal time passed i quickly got up made the mithai and offered to the deities did aarti listened to the bhavani ashtakam and sat down to share my experience.
even while im typing my hands are shaking. I cant get over it, their Beauty.

http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... 50#p138646

[explorings]

Similarly, there is nothing wrong in reciting Kunjika Stotram or even Kilak stotram even though both say that these stotras should be kept as secret and should be given to Bhakts. IMO, just because the mantra says that Goddess should keep it as a secret and therefore except for Bhakts no one should have access to this mantra sounds weird.

Talib:

Thnks for bringing it to my notice, I meant for others to suggest that this mantra should be given by Goddess to Bhakts only or else should be kept as secret... sounds weird.

Hope I have cleared your shocks

[swamykool]

Dear KET,

What you are calling Vedic rites are not actually so, they are mostly Puranic rites, just called vedic. The RigVeda does have hundreds of references of animal sacrifice and offering alchohol. There are translations of RV available, or if you can read it in Sanskrit.

The basic division is classified as Agama (tantrik) and Nigama (Vedic). The division is again in interpretation of the texts. Each claims their interpretation to be correct.

Frankly speaking, I have gone through all the posts in this thread (had to rather ) and what the posters have posted are basically Shakta form of worship or puja paddhati. Which is free to be pursued by anybody.

Whatever is written does not go within 1000 miles of Tantra Sadhana. Tantra Sadhana begins with Kundalini Sadhana, and my guess is none of the posters know anything about it. And you don't get to know about it by reading snazzy english books on tantra.

Proper Kundalini Sadhana can be dangerous for health if pursued without the guidence of a competent Guru. There are very complex techniques for the mantra sadhana and mantra siddhi, which are handed down only through the parampara.

Without these techniques, these 'oh so secret' beej mantras mean nothing. You can chant Ong heeng teeng whatever 10 million times, no harm will be done. Only your power of contration will improve and you will get a sore back and bum.

So if your concern is ppl will get into trouble, rest assured. If your concern is that remedies are not 'satvik' enough, its a matter of interpretation and everybody has a right to espouse their own views.

My concern is that no offence is given to a fellow poster, and I shall keep an eye on this.

Otherwise, this is the remedies and spiritual practice section. So continue with your theological debate. Best of luck, knock yourself out, but don't get personal.

Thats all.

SK

[Talib]

Talib:

Thnks for bringing it to my notice, I meant for others to suggest that this mantra should be given by Goddess to Bhakts only or else should be kept as secret... sounds weird.

Hope I have cleared your shocks

Explorings,

I am still in shock, but leave it, I should better work in upgrading my shock proof system

The only thing I want to share is that these stotras and mantra should be learn under proper guidance and only then we understand the technicalities related to it. (be it left or right way).

Logical mind could be intelligent but WISDOM is most required.

Happy Navami to all

Love
Talib

[KET]

Hi SK

As you have been saying RV.... talking about animal sacrifice/ alcohol... please provide in Sanskrit the verses for my attention.

On Tantra Sastra ; I dont need to get into Tantra Sastra, unless you wish to and you can . I just applied the flavor for you, as you were mixing mantras and alcohol stuffs like that.....

[Edited]

Your concern is no offence..... keep your eye on this inconsistent... I can bet your eyes can will soar and you may need a opthalmic advice soon for your eyes . Take care of your eyes... Buddy

Please dont get personal to here about my comments, where there is a mistake... people educated in vedic rites will oppose what is wrong.

You got too personal , what you can do as a moderator, you will ban me. .... Not a problem who cares ,when such arrogance and remedies prescribed not aligned over here with a astrologer.

P.S. Please don't mix up vedic astrology and Tantrism.... buddy ( two different things)

[swamykool]

Dear KET,

I think you have missed my moot point - do not give offence. Who is pseudo and who is not is not your's to judge. Kindly edit that line, or I'll edit it for you.

Otherwise, go ahead with your debate.

SK

[KET]

Dear KET,

What you are calling Vedic rites are not actually so, they are mostly Puranic rites, just called vedic. The RigVeda does have hundreds of references of animal sacrifice and offering alchohol. There are translations of RV available, or if you can read it in Sanskrit.


SK

Hi SK

As you have been saying RV.... talking about animal sacrifice/ alcohol... please provide in Sanskrit the verses for my attention.


P.S. Please don't mix up vedic astrology and Tantrism.... buddy ( two different things)

HI SK

Two days over Ohhh you have not send me those 100 references of Rig veda Sanskrit verses for my attention . ( refer above underlined)


Are you have it those? Or else, are you telling us in the air...

This is not chatting zone buddy. If you have those please arrange to send me 100 verses of RV where it been talked about..... In case if it doesn't come through by today evening, can I assume you dont have those Sanskrit references...

Happy Vijaya Dashami
Regards

[KET]

Hi
The problem with all religions and different sects in a religion is they worried about "SAVING OTHERS" and trying to prevent others from getting bad karma .May be they can try "Live and let Live" instead of My way is the only way.
People well versed in sanskrit and vedic rites have varied opinions.
regards

For the sake of writing in public domain, PLEASE do not write. People versed in Sanskrit/ vedic rites have uniformed opinions... Do not misquote/ misrepresent the Sanskrit and Vedic things anywhere. I have yet to see your posts on Astrology and its remedies.

If your policy is Live and Let live... if corruption or compromise is happening on Vedic.... you mean to say keep quiet... Keeping quiet/corrupting vedic things ...... itself is talking about the influence of planets in one's native chart.

[kandhan]

You can chant Ong heeng teeng whatever 10 million times, no harm will be done. Only your power of contration will improve and you will get a sore back and bum.

Actually, it is Ong Haldi Jaldi.