Pacifying Rahu during the Goddess Festival (Navratri)

[Saindhavi]

Human Nature,

You may do any one of the following -

1) Recite Durga Bija Mantra (Navarna Mantra) 108 times followed by Kunjika Stotram and Bhavani Ashtakam by Adi Shankaracharya (or Kshama Prarthana) and ask for your wishes etc.

2) Recite only Durga Bija Mantra 108 times and ask for your wishes.

3) Recite Durga Bija Mantra 108 times followed by Kunjika Stotram and Bhavani Ashtakam OR only Durga Bija Mantra 108 times.

After this recitation is over, play the Mahalaya recording and "talk to the Goddess" while the recording is playing.

The Mahalaya video on the blog should be downloaded into hard disk and played from the hard disk.

It is complete, so don't worry about it.

It's not possible to recite any hymns while the recording is playing, as there will be distraction.

So, one should finish recitation of hymns first and then play the recording. But you can ask for your wishes while the recording is playing.

See Explorings' post on her Rahu Mahadasha thread, where she has given Sandhi Kala timings.

[ramdev]

Dear Saindhavi

What is the correct pronunciation for the Narvan Mantra ?

Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundaye Vicche !

or

Om Aeeng Hreeng Kleeng Chamundaye Vicche !

I've been told both are fine. But the sounds are different. At our south Indian temple they recite "Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundaye Vicche ..

Best Regards

[Saindhavi]

It is Om Aim Hreeng Kleeng Chaamundaayai Vichchai.

Note - It is Vichchai, not vichche.

Aim, not Aing

Hreeng, not Hreem

Kleeng, not Kleem.

Above is the Sanskrit pronunciation.

Aim Hreem Kleem is South Indian languages' pronunciation.

Vichche is wrong - it should be Vichchai.

Listen to the video link -

http://youtu.be/L3HegAD5FHI

[Saindhavi]

Calendar for calculating Sandi Puja -

http://www.drikpanchang.com/navratri/sh ... ipuja.html

[chota bheem]

Dear Explorings/ Saindhavi

Siddha Kunjika Stotram has a very important verse that says this stotra should not be given to those that are not bhakta(s) of the Goddess and it is a very high secret


abhaktam naiva daatavyam

please remember this

regards
CB

[Saindhavi]

Chhota Bheem,

Who are we to give or not give any hymn to anyone?

It is the Goddess who decides who should know about it and she sends them here to get it.

We - and others here - are only the mechanism through which they get it.

Those injunctions were relevant for the mediaeval ages when information was not freely accessible and only a handful of people could get access to information.

Nowadays all these hymns are freely downloadable from the Internet and YouTube.

I am also against controlling information exclusively like that. All are God's equal children and all have equal right to get it.

If they misuse it or recite without devotion, that's between the Goddess and them. She will settle the matter with them. We are no one to judge them.

[chota bheem]

see saindhavi
you can take this in any way you want that is your own freedom but its rather convenient to say that Godess is responsible one someone chants it wrong or doesnt observe discplines of sadhana like eating pure veg and other such things
The medium is the very message.

If you dont feel that information should be controlled then what do you think was the purpose of the verse of this very stotra that says this is to be kept a secret? that is not medieval times those are the divine words of the stotram that is NOT JUST A REMEDY FOR GRAHACHAAR but an instrument which has been given to travel on her path.

it is up to you to take whatever i say in a good spirit it is not that i am a naysayer but only that those who have access to these things (such as yourself) should protect it. when a stotram itself is saying that this stotram should not be given to non bhaktas thn if we respect that stotra not just for the power for which it bestows but for its own existence then we should really look into this with an open mind.

wish you all the best on your path
cb

[Saindhavi]

Ok, we can have different views on this one.

Regards

[howzat]

Dear saindhavi,

when suggesting Siddha Kunjika Stotram one must bear in mind following, the following should be followed.

Stana
Samya
Sankya
Samagri
Samyama

when a powerful stotram like this is prescribed, the prescriber must first know to whom this upaya is prescribed to. Internet is not the right medium. I suggest remedy only when i know who i am suggesting to.

alcohol - meat - sex forbidden. (even for medical purposes)

ordinary remedy and powerful remedy is like this You can change your house bulb without any electrician. But do not try to change street light and tower light by climbing pole.

you can turn of or on the circuit breaker in your house but dont try to turn off transformer on the street. only people who know how to - have right to do it.

mantra is like current. powerful mantra = more current.

you are giving recommendation of powerful stotrams, that is nice - you are showing good knowledge that you know such stotras that is also nice. but by showing off your knowledge you are putting others in danger. of what use is it of you give it to others who cannot follow the 5 rules to immerse in stotra and mantra? it will reverse and come back and hit them.

more danger is that you are recommending beeja mantras to people on net - do you know if the person is qualified to recite them? this is like asking a mufsil bus driver to fly a air bus 380. this is not correct.

If i am wrong forgive me.

[Saindhavi]

There are multiple traditions within Hinduism.

What you're suggesting is only one of these multiple traditions. There are so many other ideas associated with this issue.

So, I don't want to go into this and I don't want to argue about it.

You can suggest remedies as you like and I'll do so as I feel appropriate.

PS - Multiple traditions apart, it was actually Explorings who suggested Kunjika Stotram first of all. I neither regard Kunjika as one of the most important Goddess hymns, nor do I recommend it as frequently as Explorings does. She regularly recommends it, while I do so only some times.

So, why is it that everyone is trying to have this argument with me and not with Explorings? What is it about me that induces people to argue with me and not with Explorings?

Regards

[Saindhavi]

Dear All,

Navaratri is the occasion for worshipping the 9 forms of Durga called Navadurga.

These are the 9 forms, worshipped in that order -

1 - Shailaputri (Parvati)

2 - Brahmacharini (One who grants Moksha)

3 - Chandraghanta (Wearing a bell-shaped moon on her forehead - sound of her bell causes fear amongst the demos).

4 - Kushmanda (The Resplendent One who is the source of the light and energy for the whole Universe)

5 - Skandamata - Mother of Karttikeya, who is the commander of the gods' armies.

6 - Katyayani (The Goddess manifested herself to fight the Mahisha demon)

7 - Kalaratri (or Mahakali - In the war with demons, she acquired dark complexion)

8 - Mahagauri (One who married Shiva)

9 - Siddhidatri (Shiva worshipped her and she granted Siddhis to Shiva. She grants Siddhis to all)

Through the 9 days of Navaratri, the Goddess acquires these 9 forms.

Here is the Navadurga Stotra, which you can recite/play during Ashtami-Navami period, apart from other hymns I suggested earlier -

http://youtu.be/eF-toOfa2T4

[howzat]

by Saindhavi » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:16 pm
So, why is it that everyone is trying to have this argument with me and not with Explorings? What is it about me that induces people to argue with me and not with Explorings?

because of this

by Saindhavi » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:16 pm
You can suggest remedies as you like and I'll do so as I feel appropriate.

madam,
i know you are well read. I have read ur posts but you cant do what you feel appropriate. there is a rule for giving parihara. Only Rahu and Ketu will give Beeja Mantra on internet after all internet is their domain. the person is equally responsible for what she teaches dont forget that. If you are a true person you should have realised when i said Samyama is needed to indulge in Beeja mantra.

you cant have different views on this one .............. Mantras - powerful stotras are to be used only if there is

Stana
Samya
Sankya
Samagri
Samyama

by bringing these beeja mantras, mantras and stotras to public you are equally responsible if not more for their misuse. if used wrong it will back fire and person performing upaya will be hurt. if you want to use your ahamkara and say i will do as i feel appropriate then when people argue with you dont feel bad.

If i am wrong forgive me.

[KET]

Chhota Bheem,

Who are we to give or not give any hymn to anyone?

It is the Goddess who decides who should know about it and she sends them here to get it. ( what you are trying to say... Are you God

We - and others here - are only the mechanism through which they get it.

Those injunctions were relevant for the mediaeval ages when information was not freely accessible and only a handful of people could get access to information. ( who has given this thought to you to interpret)

Nowadays all these hymns are freely downloadable from the Internet and YouTube. ( so let it be)

I am also against controlling information exclusively like that. All are God's equal children and all have equal right to get it.

If they misuse it or recite without devotion, that's between the Goddess and them. She will settle the matter with them. We are no one to judge them.

( this is childish act way of expressing. If you have done this with your will ful intention, you also have to incur negative Karma, do not involve God here please)

[howzat]

Dear madam Saindhavi


by Saindhavi » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:41 am
It is Om Aim Hreeng Kleeng Chaamundaayai Vichchai.
Note - It is Vichchai, not vichche.
Aim, not Aing
Hreeng, not Hreem
Kleeng, not Kleem.
Above is the Sanskrit pronunciation.
Aim Hreem Kleem is South Indian languages' pronunciation.

by Saindhavi » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:16 pm
There are multiple traditions within Hinduism What you're suggesting is only one of these multiple traditions. There are so many other ideas associated with this issue.

why are you worried about south indian pronunciation now? as per you, .............. All are God's equal children and all have equal right to get it.If they misuse it or recite without devotion, that's between the Goddess and them. She will settle the matter with them. We are no one to judge them.Those injunctions were relevant for the mediaeval ages when information was not freely accessible and only a handful of people could get access to information.

[KET]

Dear saindhavi,

when suggesting Siddha Kunjika Stotram one must bear in mind following, the following should be followed.

Stana
Samya
Sankya
Samagri
Samyama

when a powerful stotram like this is prescribed, the prescriber must first know to whom this upaya is prescribed to. Internet is not the right medium. I suggest remedy only when i know who i am suggesting to.

alcohol - meat - sex forbidden. (even for medical purposes)

ordinary remedy and powerful remedy is like this You can change your house bulb without any electrician. But do not try to change street light and tower light by climbing pole.

you can turn of or on the circuit breaker in your house but dont try to turn off transformer on the street. only people who know how to - have right to do it.

mantra is like current. powerful mantra = more current.

you are giving recommendation of powerful stotrams, that is nice - you are showing good knowledge that you know such stotras that is also nice. but by showing off your knowledge you are putting others in danger. of what use is it of you give it to others who cannot follow the 5 rules to immerse in stotra and mantra? it will reverse and come back and hit them.

more danger is that you are recommending beeja mantras to people on net - do you know if the person is qualified to recite them? this is like asking a mufsil bus driver to fly a air bus 380. this is not correct.

If i am wrong forgive me.

Howzatt...

Appreciated your efforts in holding the Dharma and preventing a native to incur any kind of bad Karma.

I have seen people prescribing mantras left and Right and that too Maha Mrityunja Mantra... without knowing the reality behind the significance. When this mantra to be invoked etc a real veda knowing person and Religious scholar can advice this MMM owerful and auspicious mantra.

When objected, people comment it is commented the mantra is available on internet. So therefore, without knowing on remedial measures in astrology, people start prescribing remedies on astrology.

I truly appreciate your and Chotta Bheem's efforts in restoring the purity of this sacred mantras. I have already raised in another post of usage of MMM.

Regards
KET

[chota bheem]

may Devi's grace shine forth

no one is arguing for the sake of proving one wrong and another right
when these mantras themselves are hidden and encoded it is our responsiblity to keep them as such
when siddha kunjika itself says this mantra should not be given i dont even see the room for "ok we can have our own opinions on this"
consider yourself blessed to have these mantras which your own punya has given you and the responsibility that comes with it ...
if you have missile codes do you share that knowledge because everyone wants a missile?
in many texts by our own rishi's they have not directly written mantras out of respect. Sri Valmiki has encoded the great Gayatri as the first letter of each chapter of his Ramayana....this is how these great mantras are held in esteem.
if we respect them and use them than we MUST heed what they say...

also
saindhavi please study rules of sandhi before declaring which pronunciation is correct or incorrect as this also will cause harm to those INNOCENT ONES on this forum reading this. My humble advice, study properly under good guidance and don't make this your ego listen to what the others are saying as we are Her children also.


tnx
cb

[shilpa]

Chhota Bheem,

Who are we to give or not give any hymn to anyone?

It is the Goddess who decides who should know about it and she sends them here to get it. ( what you are trying to say... Are you God

We - and others here - are only the mechanism through which they get it.

Those injunctions were relevant for the mediaeval ages when information was not freely accessible and only a handful of people could get access to information. ( who has given this thought to you to interpret)

Nowadays all these hymns are freely downloadable from the Internet and YouTube. ( so let it be)

I am also against controlling information exclusively like that. All are God's equal children and all have equal right to get it.

If they misuse it or recite without devotion, that's between the Goddess and them. She will settle the matter with them. We are no one to judge them.

( this is childish act way of expressing. If you have done this with your will ful intention, you also have to incur negative Karma, do not involve God here please)

Dear Ket,
The comment made by you in pink font below is off-topic, personal and deemed offensive
Request you remove this comment.......
Feedback of personal nature may be sent in PM or email to the concerend but not posted on the forum

Thanks

[shilpa]

Dear Chotta Bheem, Howzatt, Ket and others,

If any one of you believes a member is posting something inapprproiate...please report that post using the report button....or send a PM to a moderator or admin.

It is not required to directly confront the poster and pass judgements on what she should or should not be doing.

Because it creates friction and off topic material multiplies on the forum.

Dear saindhavi,
Please do not respond to off topic comments or remarks and help to keep in check the issue.
Please point out off topic comments to mods / admins.

regards

[chota bheem]

Dear Chotta Bheem, Howzatt, Ket and others,

If any one of you believes a member is posting something inapprproiate...please report that post using the report button....or send a PM to a moderator or admin.

It is not required to directly confront the poster and pass judgements on what she should or should not be doing.

Because it creates friction and off topic material multiplies on the forum.

Dear saindhavi,
Please do not respond to off topic comments or remarks and help to keep in check the issue.
Please point out off topic comments to mods / admins.

regards

DEAR SHILPA
AS THIS IS A FORUM WE HAVE A RIGHT TO EXPRES OUR VIEWS ESPECIALY WHEN THE POSTER HERE IS DOING SOMETHING WHERE WE ALL ARE CONCURRING TO BE ITSELF INNAPROPRIATE
PLEASE DO READ THE ENTIRE TOPIC BEFORE CHOOSING SOMEONE TO CHAMPION
NO ONE IS BEING AGGRESSIVE AND IN ESSENCE ALL HAVE THE SAME VALUE OF MANTRAS
ESSENTIALLY THE ESSENCE OF YOUR POST HERE CONVEYS THAT ONLY ONE PERSON HAS THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS ON THIS FORUM WHICH IS FOR ALL, YOUR POST ALSO CREATES DISSENSION AS OPPOSED TO PEACE. THIS IS VERY JUDGMENTAL AND MORE OVER INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR FOR A MODERATOR
SPEAKING OF WHICH ACCORDING THE ASSIGNED MODERATORS FOR EACH SECTION SWAMYKOOL IS THE MODERATOR OF THIS SECTION SO PLEASE DONT FAVOUR YOUR FRIENDS HERE.
HOPE YOU TAKE THIS IN THE RIGHT SPIRIT.


TNX

[shilpa]

Dear Chotta Bheem, Howzatt, Ket and others,

If any one of you believes a member is posting something inapprproiate...please report that post using the report button....or send a PM to a moderator or admin.

It is not required to directly confront the poster and pass judgements on what she should or should not be doing.

Because it creates friction and off topic material multiplies on the forum.

Dear saindhavi,
Please do not respond to off topic comments or remarks and help to keep in check the issue.
Please point out off topic comments to mods / admins.

regards

DEAR SHILPA
AS THIS IS A FORUM WE HAVE A RIGHT TO EXPRES OUR VIEWS ESPECIALY WHEN THE POSTER HERE IS DOING SOMETHING WHERE WE ALL ARE CONCURRING TO BE ITSELF INNAPROPRIATE
PLEASE DO READ THE ENTIRE TOPIC BEFORE CHOOSING SOMEONE TO CHAMPION
NO ONE IS BEING AGGRESSIVE AND IN ESSENCE ALL HAVE THE SAME VALUE OF MANTRAS
ESSENTIALLY THE ESSENCE OF YOUR POST HERE CONVEYS THAT ONLY ONE PERSON HAS THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS ON THIS FORUM WHICH IS FOR ALL, YOUR POST ALSO CREATES DISSENSION AS OPPOSED TO PEACE. THIS IS VERY JUDGMENTAL AND MORE OVER INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR FOR A MODERATOR
SPEAKING OF WHICH ACCORDING THE ASSIGNED MODERATORS FOR EACH SECTION SWAMYKOOL IS THE MODERATOR OF THIS SECTION SO PLEASE DONT FAVOUR YOUR FRIENDS HERE.
HOPE YOU TAKE THIS IN THE RIGHT SPIRIT.


TNX

^Dear Chotta Bheem,

As per the guidelines of the forum...please report the inappropriateness throuhg specified means....and not confront directly.
Mods and admins have been appointed by the forum to decide what is right and what is not.
The users do not decide that amongst themselves....they simply report the matter.

you have been warned once for continued offensive language.please refrain.

regards

[shilpa]

Dear Chotta Bheem and KET,

please refrain from further off topic comments on the board as I have seen both of you do.
and send a PM or email......if you are requesting further discussion.

With this advise I will remove your offtopic comments and new threads.

However I welcome you to send your specific queries / feedback / suggestions / complains in PM or email to any mod or admin.

regards

[KET]

Elaborate what is off topic.... please

[swamykool]

Dear KET & CB,

If you have any complaint against any moderator pl PM or Email either VP or Ramanan ji. Don't put it on the forum.

Also to note, religious rituals follow different schools of thought, so there are many different opinions. We cannot conclusively say that one school is wrong and another is right.

One member had given her views, that's ok. You and CB have made your contention known. THAT'S OK TOO. But do not pursue this any further. Its impossible to settle religious doctrinal debates in the forum.

Let's leave it at that.

SK

[KET]

SKji...

I agree with that... But fundamentally, it is not school of thoughts on religious... religious nly one school... SKji... chantin of mantras will be different but scripture is same

The issue is on one post the same astrologer says consumption of alcohol and remedies is o.k... it is culture... Do you accept this. A astrologer when predicts/ prescribe remedies to innocent people should be ethic minded.

The same astrologer will say tomorrow to a LOVA member, after consuming alcohol one can go to temple. Do you think there are two schools f thoughts on this? Do you accept this version

I have alerted V.P. on this practice by said astrologer, and suggested if the divine remedies are coming through from said astrologer let it be scanned by Ramananji or Srinivas Rao ji or even Vaughnji

[swamykool]

KET

I don't agree on this point. Scriptures are one but interpretations differ. It is these interpretations that make the different schools.

The Shaktas and Shaiva schools use alchohol in the puja proper. Refer to the famous Kaalbhairav Temple of Ujjain, where Sura or Alchohol is used as naivedya and distributed as prasad.

The Shaktas even use meat in their style of pujas, allowing numerous animal sacrifices. Also Alchohol. They consider these methods correct. They are equally numerous.

The Rig Veda has hundreds of references of animal sacrifices and offerings of alchohol. In fact Indra was propitiated with the offering of Sura, and Agni with offering of Havi (animal fat). Refer Rig Veda.

So, as you can see, interpretations differ. And you can only make your contention known. One cannot shove one's version down someone's throat. That's not ok.

And as I said, let's leave it at that.

SK