Grahana Yoga

[Ashok]

Hi Sriram,

As I see it, Jupiter transits Aquarius from May
1st 2009 to May 2nd 2010. This will be highly
beneficial and should protect you significantly
counteracting transit Sat's influence on your
Moon-Ketu-Sat combination in Gemini.

You are now running Jupiter-Rahu. Jupiter is
8L & 11L in 9H. Rahu is in 8H. Rahu is yogakaraka
as he is aspected by 9L & 10L Sat. You may have
gained significantly in Rahu in material terms but
suffered in family matters. Sat leaves
permanent results so Sat's aspect on Rahu
ensures that Rahu will leave you a changed
man with far reaching changes in
outlook, perhaps more detachment.

The concluding portion of your Jup-Rahu
after transit Jup moves out of Aquarius
2nd May 2010 to Jan 2011 could prove
challenging. Its worth saving
for a rainy day.

Saturn dasha will prove highly beneficial
in financial terms but could have sudden
ups and downs.

Regards,

Ashok

[Ashok]

Hi all,

There seems to have been a basic
difference of emphasis in one matter.

While I have looked at the Mahatma's
chart with an emphasis on analysing
Grahana Yoga of 10L Moon in the 10H
with no reference to ruling dashas,
the analysis of others has focussed
primarily on relating the events of
partition to dashas in the Mahatma's
chart and also to downplay the role
of Grahana Yoga involving 10L
Moon in the 10H.

Turning my attention now to the
Mahatma's dasha during partition,
Jupiter as 3L & 6L retrograde in
the 7H is the most damaging
planet in his chart. It is no surprise
that Jupiter brought him misery &
eventually death. The 3L & 6L
aspects all the Raja Yoga planets
in the Lagna causing harm.
Jup-Ketu led to his asassination.
Ketu is in 4th, a moksha trikona
aspected by sign lord Sat who
is 4L & 5L in 2H aspecting 8H.
It is likely that the Mahatma
was near Moksha since he was
in fact a saint. His exclamation
of "Hey Ram" even at the point
of death testifies to his deeply
spiritual nature putting him
among saints many rungs
above statesmen.

One question remains: Does Jupiter have any
link with the luminaries especially Grahana
Yoga of Moon as 10L in 10H? KP astrology
reveals this link. You may know that the
KP system divides each nakshatra into
further divisions. The key deciders
of destiny are the nakshatra lord which
shows the trend of the dasha and the
sub lord who confirms or denies and
thus actually decides the result
indicated by the star lord.
Jupiter is located in the star of Sun,
11L in 12H showing end (12H) of powers
(11H) and the sub lord is, not surprisingly
the Moon, the Grahana Yoga planet
significantly eclipsed as 10L in 10H for
public affairs. Thus, the Grahana Yoga
of Moon as 10L in 10H eclipsed by Rahu
was indeed the deciding factor in
making Gandhi's last days a disaster
in many ways.

What Solar astrology (signs) has
indicated broadly has been confirmed
and pinpointed by stellar astrology
(nakshatras).

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Note: Since Mahatma Gandhi is a revered "Father
of the Nation" for Indians, his example seems to
stir strong feelings in many Indians. While this
may be noble and patriotic, it can cloud objective
analysis seriously. It also rouses deep feelings
for no good reason.

Further, I have already stated my case and elaborated
on it fully. What you think is upto you. Each person is
entitled to his own opinions. I have said whatever I
had to say several times. I have nothing further to say.

Therefore, for me personally, I consider the debate
on the Mahatma to be closed.

Thanks to all who shared.

Regards,

Ashok

[lovacrs]

Thanks Ashokiji for the clarifications and for the compliments. I guess I am plain lucky to get what I dont deserve! I also love the element of humour that you add in your posts. Every day of each of us deserves a good hearty laugh.


And I forgot to mention that the time is 03:09 PM (15:09). Jhora gives Mysore co-ordinates as 76E38, 12N18.

I look forward to your comments on Mahatma's chart.

CRS

[sunsri]

Hi Ashok,

Thank you for your feedback. You are absolutely right - Professionally this period has involved a lot of hard work and very very long hours but been very rewarding as well. In the middle of all this hectic work schedule, i filed 3 patents and was awarded 1 patent in the last 9 months. The personal front has not been a smooth sailing but it has made me spiritual and more detached from the materialistic world. I guess it is Saturn's effect.

On Mahatma's chart, History is History and no one can change it or rewrite it. We can analyze it objectively and as you mentioned, there are a lot of Indians, who may not agree with the objective analysis of his chart, his vision and his legacy. As human beings, we all have our shortcomings and his love for Nehru was his biggest shortcoming. I hope i am not starting a controversy by comparing it to Dhritarashtra's blind love for his first born Duryodhana in the Mahabharata.

The partition and the pain that it has generated in the lives of millions for generations will take many generations to heal.

In final analysis, it is all GODs will.

Thanks again
Sriram

[Ashok]

Hi all,

Since Mahatma Gandhi is a revered "Father
of the Nation" for Indians, his example seems to
stir strong feelings in many Indians. While this
may be noble and patriotic, it can cloud objective
analysis seriously. It also rouses deep feelings
for no good reason.

Further, I have already stated my case and elaborated
on it fully. What you think is upto you. Each person is
entitled to his own opinions. I have said whatever I had
to say several times. I have nothing further to say.

Therefore, for me personally, I consider the debate on
the Mahatma to be closed.

Thanks to all who shared.

Regards,

Ashok

[Basab]

"In my view, Moon dasha and bhuktis may have
been very ordinary if not troublesome."

K.N. Rao has written about Gandhiji's Moon period (1904-1914) in his article ("When the Vimshottari Dasha Changes(part-1)": "MAHATMA GANDHI -- Rahu the Yogi" published in the April - June 2001 issue of the "Journal of Astrology"). Let me quote a couple of lines from the article where he has discussed the Moon period:

"In the tenth house with Rahu, the tenth lord Moon had to bring him into prominence ... The Moon dasha shaped him into that saint agitator which history and the world knows him to be."

I wonder why Gandhiji would have needed to make a statement like this: "Everybody is eager to garland my photos. But nobody wants to follow my advice," when his say was final as you have proved it to be by showing how Gandhiji's insistence on making Nehru the prime minister of India was listened to. If they had not listened to his advise, as he said they didn't, wouldn't they make Jinnah the prime minister of India without giving any importance to his choice?

[Ashok]

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[lovacrs]

Hi Ashokji,

I submitted my previous post before I saw your post covering Mahatma's chart.

First and foremost, I am a fan of Mahatma but I have steadfastly remained focussed on astrological aspect. I still am not convinced on the astrological analysis (restricted to results of Grahana Yoga) for the following reasons:

1. That Nehru becoming a PM and not Jinnah which apparently lead to partition was an error is an "opinion" that has the benefit of hindsight. None can categorically say whether we would have been better off with Jinnah as PM and after such an eventuality whether we would have conclusively avoided partition and whether an unpartitioned India would have been better. I am sure with the current problems Pak is facing in SWAT region the last word has not yet been said on this.

Hence, I think our conclusions on 'error of judgement' should be based on what a normal person would have done in the given situation and not based on conjectures on what alternative decisions may have lead to.

2. You have emphasised in your analysis that the eclipsed state of luminaries is a weakness that would show its effect throughout. Even assuming the partition/PM issue to be an error of judgement which is but a small bit of his life ignoring the absence of such an effect all through earlier (we just need to recall salt satyagraha,quit Inda and Chowri Chowrah incidents to understand the kind of sway he had on the masses and the "right decisions") does not sound objective. Obviously we will not be able to explain this without going to Dasha analysis. But in the Dasha analysis there are no specific pointers that this effect is due to eclipsed state of Mo. As your last post mentions the central theme of the Ju dasha is laid down by the malefic Ju.

All aflictions in a chart are supposed to be softened by prayer and penance. For a person like Gandhi I am sure no affliction would have been effective, specially at the fag end of his life.

Hence my submission is while the results of Grahana Yoga may certainly be what you explained, they will be brought out much better in some other chart. Here, as you pointed out, lagna's strength runs over other aspects like a juggernaut!

CRS

[astro_abc]

anupamji,

interesting post. i have a moon-rahu conjunct in the 4th house in libra in my rasi chart and moon-rahu-mercury conjunct in the second house in aries in navamsa.

what is your analysis of these positions? What might I be obsessive about?

[Ashok]

Anupamji, thanks for your input. I am
glad you have set the record straight
on Moon-Rahu conjunction

You are absolutely right in your
observations. But a person who has 10L
Moon-Rahu conjunction especially in 10H
may never agree with you

By the way, since K N Rao says that 10L
Moon-Rahu conjunction in 10H will give
prominence in Moon period, anyone with
this combination in this forum reading this
post may please tell us what prominence
he or she has achieved, especially in moon
period An honest answer will be highly
appreciated.

Even Ajmal Kasab achieved prominence
when he fired indiscriminately
I am not sure if he has 10L Moon in 10H
with Rahu & was running Moon period


Even if there is no prominence achieved
in Moon period, can someone with such a
combination tell us how Moon period was?


Even if Moon as 10L in 10H did not give
prominence, Rahu becomes a yogakaraka
in 10H, so can anyone with the above
combination say what prominence,
if any, they have achieved in Rahu
and Moon periods? What effects Moon
and Rahu have given them? An honest
answer will be appreciated.

May peace and prosperity be showered
on one and all.


Ashok

[Ashok]

Dear CRS,

I have already stated my case and elaborated
on it fully. What you think is upto you. Each person is
entitled to his own opinions. I have said whatever I had
to say several times. I have nothing further to say.

Regards,

Ashok

[Basab]

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[Ashok]

Dear Anupamji,

Thank you for all the light you have thrown
on Rahu-Moon conjunction in various cases.
You have quoted many examples to illustrate
your point. I agree with you fully and realise
what you mean to say. As usual in astrology,
there are various factors to be considered
and balanced out.

Thanks for your valuable input.

Regards,

Ashok

[Basab]

[quote="Basab"][quote="Ashok"]You are absolutely right in your
observations. But a person who has 10L
Moon-Rahu conjunction especially in 10H
may never agree with you

Nice way of addressing me: "a person who has 10L Moon-Rahu conjunction especially in the 10H" But you are wrong that I won't agree with what Anupamji has said: I absolutely agree with him as I myself have most of the symptoms he has talked about.

"By the way, since K N Rao says that 10L
Moon-Rahu conjunction in 10H will give
prominence in Moon period, anyone with
this combination in this forum reading this
post may please tell us what prominence
he or she has achieved, especially in moon
period An honest answer will be highly
appreciated."

Quoting from K.N. Rao's article: "When the Vimshottari Dasha Changes(part-1)": "MAHATMA GANDHI -- Rahu the Yogi" published in the April - June 2001 issue of the "Journal of Astrology":

"In the tenth house with Rahu, the tenth lord Moon had to bring him into prominence ... The Moon dasha shaped him into that saint agitator which history and the world knows him to be."

"Even if there is no prominence achieved
in Moon period, can someone with such a
combination tell us how Moon period was?"

I have been told by a very reputed astrologer from my city that I will achieve huge success in the period of the Moon: the 10th lord in the 10th house conjunct Rahu.[/quote]

[Ashok]

Dear Anupamji,

Grahana Yoga of 10L Moon in 10H with Rahu may
make a zero a hero by riding a wave But the
success will come in Rahu and the fall will come in
Moon dasha. Eclipsed Moon becomes zero and Rahu
becomes the hero.


Internet can make heroes out of zeroes because
Rahu rules electronics and thus, also the internet
The above combination of 10L Moon in 10H with Rahu
may also indicate zeroes turned heroes thanks to the
internet.


10L Moon in 10H with Rahu is like a man who is
riding on a tiger but cannot get off for fear of
being eaten. The man is "stuck" on the tiger
out of fear of being eaten but onlookers think
he is a hero. His mind is tormented and terrified
all the time but he gets mass adulation or great
worldly success in Rahu dasha. In Moon dasha,
the man falls off the tiger and is devoured by
the tiger, ie: the real difficulties of the combination
strike the person and become evident to all.

Such is the impact of Grahana Yoga
involving 10L Moon in the 10H
with Rahu.

Moon is the ability to relate to others
with empathy. I have noticed that
whenever the moon is conjunct nodes,
this ability is fundamentally lacking.
The person's mind is in continuous
inner mental torment.

May peace and prosperity be showered on all

Regards,

Ashok

[lovacrs]

Ashokji,

Thanks for your time and provoking an excellent debate invaluable for learners like me.

Thanks Anupamji/Basabji for sharing your thoughts.

CRS

[Basab]

"By the way, since K N Rao says that 10L
Moon-Rahu conjunction in 10H will give
prominence in Moon period, anyone with
this combination in this forum reading this
post may please tell us what prominence
he or she has achieved, especially in moon
period An honest answer will be highly
appreciated."

I would like to quote this time from chapter 16, "Vedic Astrology in Practice", of the book "Astrology of the Seers" by David Frawley where in page 262, the birth chart of Jackie Kennedy is discussed:

"It was in her Moon-Rahu period that her husband, President Kennedy, was assasinated. It was in her Rahu-Moon period that she herself died. The Moon dasha as a whole gave her great fame."

There is a Rahu-Moon yoga in Jackie Kennedy's chart. Here's her birth details as given in the book: July 28, 1929, 2:39 pm EST, 72W23 40N53.

[Basab]

"Grahana Yoga of 10L Moon in 10H with Rahu may
make a zero a hero by riding a wave "

Does the Mahatma, according to you, fall in the list of people with "Grahana Yoga of 10L Moon in 10H with Rahu" who being a zero turned into a hero by riding a wave? If that is so, I am sorry to say, today is the most unfortunate day for Indians because their Mahatma, their father of the nation, is being criticized not by someone from another country--as far as my knowledge goes, people all over the world admire him for his work and his principles--but by someone from his own country.

"Internet can make heroes out of zeroes because
Rahu rules electronics and thus, also the internet
The above combination of 10L Moon in 10H with Rahu
may also indicate zeroes turned heroes thanks to the
internet."

Firstly, Mercury, and not, Rahu is the significator of Internet because Internet is a storehouse of "information" of which Mercury is the natural significator. Internet also falls under "media and communication", which again is signified by Mercury, as Gemini is the siginificator of them both and Mercury its ruler.

This is what happens when you forcibly want to apply a theory to practice: you just get blind. Everyone has flaws and Mahatma Gandhi was no exception, but his flaws needs to get highlighted because he was one of the unlucky ones to be born with Rahu-Moon in his chart.

"10L Moon in 10H with Rahu is like a man who is
riding on a tiger but cannot get off for fear of
being eaten. The man is "stuck" on the tiger
out of fear of being eaten but onlookers think
he is a hero."

A person who has the courage to get on a tiger and ride him is undoubtedly the greatest hero and deserves all the hero worship.

"10L Moon in 10H with Rahu is like a man who is
riding on a tiger but cannot get off for fear of
being eaten. The man is "stuck" on the tiger
out of fear of being eaten but onlookers think
he is a hero. His mind is tormented and terrified
all the time but he gets mass adulation or great
worldly success in Rahu dasha. In Moon dasha,
the man falls off the tiger and is devoured by
the tiger, ie: the real difficulties of the combination
strike the person and become evident to all. "

From what you have said one thing definitely gets proved: Rahu-Moon people are very intelligent because they get on a tiger on the Rahu period; it's because by the time the Moon period comes the tiger won't be alive to kill him because more than 100 years would be gone by then, and as we all know a tiger doesn't like that long, he will be have a natural death, and stay a hero in everyone's memory forever. Now, don't try to say that he will get eaten by the tiger in the Moon period and come alive again in the Rahu period to enjoy all the fame.

I guess the very name of the article, "Mahatma Gandhi: Rahu the Yogi" makes it clear that Rahu is not always the demon, but can be a yogi as well.

I am sure people here are thinking that I am praising Mahatma Gandhi and not saying anything against his Rahu-Moon in the 10th house, in it's own sign, because I too have the same combination, but let me assure everyone here that that's not the reason I am praising the Mahatma. He was a great person, and the titles that he got, "Mahatma" and "Father of the Nation", shows how great he was. About his Rahu-Moon in the 10th house, I really don't know whether it did him good or bad, but I don't think it right on my part to start finding flaws in him just because he had Rahu-Moon in his chart. For me, Rahu-Moon in the 10th house has been horrible, it has completely eclipsed my work life, not giving me a career yet, but that shouldn't make me come to the conclusion that every person with Rahu-Moon in the 10th house will not have a career or Rahu-Moon will do harm to each and every person. I respect Mahatma Gandhi for what he has done for our country; I will not judge him by the Rahu-Moon yoga in his birth chart because I don't think myself that qualified to judge a person by his birth chart--I will prefer to judge him by his work.

[Basab]

Dear Anupamji,

A few days back I was thinking of Rahu-Moon and wanted to know more about it. I even thought of asking you about it, but didn't, thinking that you will think I am asking for free prediction from you again (you have analyzed my birth chart so many times before this, so didn't want to ask you again). Interestingly, a couple of days later Ashokji started the topic of "Grahan yoga" and you got into the discussion and wrote so much about Rahu-Moon. Again, some time back, I was thinking about my 8th house period and felt I wanted to know more about it, and just a day or two later Vaughnji posted the wonderful and detailed article on the 8th house. This type of things have been happening in my life for quite sometime now; would be delighted if you please tell me why it happens?

[Ashok]

Dear All,

My sole purpose was to generate an
animated discussion of Grahana Yoga.
I think I have succeeded in achieving
my purpose.

I have said all I had to say about
Grahana Yoga. I have nothing further
to say. Personally, I consider the
discussion on Grahana Yoga closed.

Thanks to all for sharing.

May peace and prosperity be showered on all !

Regards,

Ashok

[Basab]

The discussion could have been called a healthy one if Ashokji had not started attacking me personally by making comments like the following:

1) "Internet can make heroes out of zeroes because
Rahu rules electronics and thus, also the internet
The above combination of 10L Moon in 10H with Rahu
may also indicate zeroes turned heroes thanks to the
internet."

2)"10L Moon in 10H with Rahu is like a man who is
riding on a tiger but cannot get off for fear of
being eaten. The man is "stuck" on the tiger
out of fear of being eaten but onlookers think
he is a hero. His mind is tormented and terrified
all the time but he gets mass adulation or great
worldly success in Rahu dasha. In Moon dasha,
the man falls off the tiger and is devoured by
the tiger, ie: the real difficulties of the combination
strike the person and become evident to all. "

[Basab]

Dear Anupamji,

You write in a very roundabout manner, making it difficult for the "spiritually shallow" people like me to understand your posts. Would be very glad if you explain more simply.

[Basab]

Dear Anupamji,

Thank you for explaining it so wonderfully and also for making it simple for me. Yes, I have had struggles and have lost almost all the battles that I have fought in my life so far, so find it difficult to believe that positives can happen in my life as well. But I have faith in your predictions. I have been doing share trading for the last 1.5 months, though not being able to put my whole hearted effort on it due to health problems and worry, I will not be able to continue with it long, so do you think it can mean that I will continue with it in the Saturn sub-period as well? I wonder whether Rahu (significator of shares) in the 10th house with the 10th lord Moon and both 10th lord Moon and Rahu in the nakshatra of Mercury (significator of shares) indicates a career in that? It's interesting that I started it in the sub-sub period of Rahu in the sub-period of Jupiter, which is conjunct the 5th lord of speculation and aspecting the 5th house of speculation. Saturn is again the 5th lord of speculation. Thank you once again for all your help--you are very kind. I am sorry I brought up my birth chart again.

[Basab]

Dear Anupamji,

Thank you for answering my query on my birth chart. Coming to which planet signifies shares, I really can't remember where I have read or heard about Rahu and Mercury signifying shares.

[lovacrs]

Dear Anupamji,

Will be grateful if you can explain the logic behind 6th house signifying shares and trading. I thought trading and business in general is indicated by 7th. I was under the impression that a connect between 5th/7th and 11th indicates share trading.

CRS