Some Notes on the Usage of Gem stones

[shilpa]

--Gemstones do give benefit...but not the preferred form of remedies IMO. It's like usage of allopathic medicines fast acting but with side effects....while prayers, mantras are like herbal supplements....slow long lasting and no side effects...building up the strength and immune system of the body.

--Neverthless there are times when Gems can help. The planet that Gemstone represents should not be the Lord of 6, 8 or 12th house....nor sitting in 6,8, 12 house.

--The above rule should be followed with no discounts or exceptions .....else the consequences can hurt the native. It is a simple rule...but I have seen so many violations of it over the years suggested by quacks..... and for years and years native suffers having put blind faith in someone half ignorant.

--even when the planet is very well placed.......and the Gem stone suits...it still has a side effect.
for example a Jupiter in own house in the 9th house......is a strong placement and native wearing Pokhraj...will further strengthen Jupiter and 9th house for the chart.....and defnitely bring 9th house benefits to the native.
But 9th is the 12th house of losses to the 10th and......and as a side affect of the 12th to the 10th being made artifically stronger.... native suffers some losses to the 12th...for example he might become too principled / dharmik / virtuous and lose his competitve edge in work........
or wearing a stone for the 5th house planet may weaken the 6th house.....and the native might find more hurdels and enemies cropping up in life.

--and that is the side affect of allopathic medicines analogy when using gems is what I was talking about earlier.
Although I myself have used gems and had definite short and medium terms gains....I can verify from personal experience and also of some acquaintainces whose life event I could monitor.......Gems should not be a preferred remedy.

[shilpa]

Dear sanjeev,
Do you have any serious problems in life.
If yes please share details.
Regards

[takla]

--Neverthless there are times when Gems can help. The planet that Gemstone represents should not be the Lord of 6, 8 or 12th house....nor sitting in 6,8, 12 house.

--The above rule should be followed with no discounts or exceptions .....else the consequences can hurt the native. It is a simple rule...but I have seen so many violations of it over the years suggested by quacks..... and for years and years native suffers having put blind faith in someone half ignorant.

--even when the planet is very well placed.......and the Gem stone suits...it still has a side effect.

My Lagna/Rashi is Libra/Taurus. I am recommended Diamond/Mercury and also Blue Sapphire.

Venus for instance is in 10th house of my Rashi chart but also lord of 8th house.
Similarly, Mercury is in his own house in 9th with Sun but then also the lord of 12th house.
So, does that mean wearing above 2 is not recommended? And, have they impacted me much negatively?

Now, Saturn being YK, in own house and mooltrikona, do you recommend wearing Blue Sapphire? I am running Sat-MD/Sat-AD.

Please take a look into my D-10/D-9 too. Thanks.

[shilpa]

--Neverthless there are times when Gems can help. The planet that Gemstone represents should not be the Lord of 6, 8 or 12th house....nor sitting in 6,8, 12 house.

--The above rule should be followed with no discounts or exceptions .....else the consequences can hurt the native. It is a simple rule...but I have seen so many violations of it over the years suggested by quacks..... and for years and years native suffers having put blind faith in someone half ignorant.

--even when the planet is very well placed.......and the Gem stone suits...it still has a side effect.

My Lagna/Rashi is Libra/Taurus. I am recommended Diamond/Mercury and also Blue Sapphire.

Venus for instance is in 10th house of my Rashi chart but also lord of 8th house.
Similarly, Mercury is in his own house in 9th with Sun but then also the lord of 12th house.
So, does that mean wearing above 2 is not recommended? And, have they impacted me much negatively?

Now, Saturn being YK, in own house and mooltrikona, do you recommend wearing Blue Sapphire? I am running Sat-MD/Sat-AD.

Please take a look into my D-10/D-9 too (27 June, 65 13:39pm, allahabad). Thanks.

Yes Blue Sapphire should be OK to wear....it is a very strong stone.
however before you wear......put it under your pillow for a week and see the effect

[netpk]

Respected shilpa ji,
I 200% agree with ur view about gem stones, one of astrologer I know personally, he's into astrology since about 40 years, says the same words as you've enlightened us with.
He says many quacks sell these stones and is one easy way to boost a planet and yield results no matter what Damage it causes to the track.

He says many stone suggesting guys prefer neelam when they see shani weak on charts, or they try to burn a already Hot planet.
In one recent case he prevented someone to wear a stone as it may cause serious medical condition to the subject's mother.

He too believes in puja, havan and strotas as you have mentioned is best way.

I believed his sugestions as have experienced his precise calculations.

[numbskull]

Gemstones do give benefit...but not the preferred form of remedies IMO. It's like usage of allopathic medicines fast acting but with side effects....while prayers, mantras are like herbal supplements....slow long lasting and no side effects...building up the strength and immune system of the body.

namaste shilpa ji
u r good astrologer with vast knowledge of astrology & i accept ur notes on different topics of astrology without doubt but pls whats the need of bad mouthing allopathic medicines like some layman

i hear this quite often from less educated people that allopathic medicines r bad and with full of side effects but when it comes from someone learned one like u it pains me and i feel to explain the simple facts which people often overlook while saying these kind of remarks

1) all medicines allopathic or ayurvedic or homeopathic have some 'active' compound (chemical, molecule) in them which reacts with body or pathogen to produce its effect only difference is in case of allopathic medicines large scale studies r done in pre marketing stage to find out those side effects and it is mandatory for companies to report these side effects to authorities and also put this info on medicine pack. while no such studies r conducted for ur herbal products, by the way many of ayurvedic medicines were found unsafe for use by usa fda dept on their testing!

2) these herbal medicines work good for cold/cough an skin conditions, u try using them for pt with cerebral malaria , pulmonary tb, and well u already know these diseases were mass killers for hundreds of years for mankind even in the presence & practice of ur herbal medicines and only with advent of suitable allpathic drugs life of person can be saved from these diseases

3) try telling any parent to not get their newborns vaccinated and build his immunity by herbal remedies and then we will see how many develop diptheria, polio, tetnus

4)a patient in acute septicemia/ acute bacterial endocarditis/ meningitis will die in few mins or few hours if appropiate ALLOPATHIC antibiotictics r not given, try advising his attendats to use safe herbal medicines and u will see the resullts
5) around the world millions r saved by allopathic drugs we all should be grate full to god that this branch of science developed

regarding side effects - side effects r present in those drugs more which r used for for more duration due to chronicity of disease or which r used for highly virulent/atypical forms

we all take pain killers once in a while it doesnot have any permanent side effect , we takeshort courseof vitamins once in a while it will not have any side effect

and ur herbal medicines have side effect too or say every thing u eat can have side effect
few examples of side effects of herbal medications are as under-

Photosensitivity
Individuals taking St. John's wort to treat depression or anxiety may find their skin becoming more sensitive to the sun. They may burn more easily. Typically, fair-haired and light-skinned Caucasians have the highest incidence of photosensitivity, but this herbal side effect is thankfully rare. Typical cases of photosensitivity occur when people take very high doses of St. John's wort, or take it over a long period of time. If taking St. John's wort, avoid too much sun exposure.

Skin Irritation
Topical herbal antifungal and antibacterial agents such as tea tree oil and lavender may cause rashes or skin irritation, especially if used at full strength. Before using any topical herbal product, try a skin patch test. Place a small amount of the product on the inside of the elbow on one arm only. Wait a few days. If the area remains clear, proceed with using the herbal product.

Sleepiness
Herbs used to treat anxiety, depression and insomnia may cause excessive daytime sleepiness in certain individuals. These herbs include chamomile, valerian and kava kava, with valerian and kava being the most likely culprits. Avoid driving or using machinery until you're sure of the effects of the herb.

Interactions with Anticlotting Medications
Many herbs interact negatively with Coumadin and cause unsafe reactions.

Herbs that magnify or increase the action of Coumadin include:
Garlic
Ginger
Ginkgo biloba
Dong quai
Feverfew

Some herbs prevent or block Coumadin from working. These herbs include:
Ginseng
St. John's wort
Some supplements also interact negatively with Coumadin and related anti-clotting medications. These supplements include Co-Q 10 and green tea extracts.

i rest my case now and let u decide whether u continue using those same lines again

thank you

[takla]

Yes Blue Sapphire should be OK to wear....it is a very strong stone.
however before you wear......put it under your pillow for a week and see the effect

Thanks for the reply. I have been wearing Blue Sapphire without much impact (didn't see any difference, unless the stone is a fake one). Is there a possibility that Blue Sapphire is burning already hot Saturn (as per 'netpk' post above)? Also, Venus is my lagna lord too, would you still not recommend to wear Diamond? Thanks.

[netpk]

[quote="takla"][quote="shilpa"]
Yes Blue Sapphire should be OK to wear....it is a very strong stone.
however before you wear......put it under your pillow for a week and see the effect[/quote]
Thanks for the reply. I have been wearing Blue Sapphire without much impact (didn't see any difference, unless the stone is a fake one). Is there a possibility that Blue Sapphire is burning already hot Saturn (as per 'netpk' post above)? Also, Venus is my lagna lord too, would you still not recommend to wear Diamond? Thanks.[/quote]

These days its not difficult to get your stone checked. better if you get it checked to remove doubts.
Blue Sapphire is a stone which will not take long to show the results, and its believed it would certainly create problem if its not suiting you.

I think its better to do Shani Dev Pujan than to wear Blue Sapphire, but this is completely my personal view, all I can say shani chalisa itself explains.
"jo pandit suyogya bulwayi, vidhivat shani greh shanti karayi......"

However people who cannot perform regular pujan may get benefited with Blue Sapphire...

[Sunds]

Shilpa Madam,
Which stone do you recommend for me....My Lagna lord in Moon....So Pearl is good but moon is placed in the eighth house in Kumbha....My Jupiter is ninth lord but also sixth lord....Also jupiter is totally combustI am at present wearing Blue Sapphire and Pearl....Saturn is my eighth and seventh house lord and also my Rasi lord...Moreover I am running Shani Mahadasa now....Pearl because it is my lagna lord and my bhukti lord now....My Sun is well placed in second...So will ruby be good???Please guide me...
DOB:6 September/1968
Place: Chennai
Time: 33.40 Am
Regards,
Sunder.

[astrolearner15]

This is quite interesting. I have suffered problems all round for the past year (no job, parents in bad health, partner in bad health). The only thing going for me is that I am in good health. I was asked to wear pukhraj as a pendant (for lagna lord, sitting in third house), which I do.
Another astrologer has said I should wear a diamond, but venus is the 6th lord, sitting in 11th house.
I have bought a diamond ring to wear, but now after reading this, I am assuming I should not do so?

DOB: 15/09/89
Time: 1:53 pm
Place: Allahabad, India

[netpk]

astrolearner15,
what a co-incidence, I've been seeing lot of members from Allahabad recently.
Do you still reside in Alld ? I am a learner too, and I live near Engg. College.

[Digambar.Astrologer]

Hello Shilpa Ji,

I can see your point and think I understand the theory behind it. Although I believe there is much that needs to be tried, tested and validated on this subject before this argument is fully accepted. One thing that I completely agree with is that one should never use a stone for a lord of a dusthan with a mooltrikon rashi. Such planets are generally seen to be behave negatively towards the jaatak (especially during their periods and transit impacts). I also totally believe that nothing replaces the power of prayers, meditation, etc. God is above the power parameters of any graha or nakshatra, and when we have him besides us there is never a need for any other object to protect or guide us. Nevertheless not everyone is born with the right bend of mind to effort for and make God his own. Sometimes the circumstances, etc. may prevent one from reach that goal. Hence the kind lord has provided mankind with alternatives - blessings of parents and gurus, metals, gemstones, etc.

One key concept to be kept in mind is that wearing and use of gemstones is repeatedly recommended in our ancient scriptures and has been clearly stated as remedies for weak and afflicted planets in one's nativity. This has been confirmed by many rishis as well. We should not be so quick in discounting their vast wisdom and insights. I am also not aware of any authoritative and validated document that recommends against the use of gemstones either. Yes, wearing the wrong stone will produce bad results, but then that should not be used against using the solution altogether.

Given this we should examine further the applicability of this remedy for mankind. If we go with the argument that the 9th house being the 12th to the 10th will always harm the significations of H10, then by the same token we should also accept that a jaatak with a strong 9th should always accept that his karam will suffer. This not seen to be the case unless there are weaknesses to the 10th itself. Both 9th and 10th is strong will give one righfully guided karmas, that benefit the jaatak in both this life and beyond. Extending the same logic would also imply that someone who has a strong 10th (karma and profession) would experience harm to the H11 significations (income). This argument may be counter intuitive. Also a strong 12th does not make the jaatak (lagan) prone to losses (but weak 12th does). What would harm the significations of another house is the weakness of it's lord, weakness to the house itself due to afflictions, etc. The strength of one house would not directly influence, or more specifically harm, the significations of another, unless the lords are directly in conflict over a matter.

This is how I see the subject in my humble opinion and limited knowledge. Please do share your thoughts on the subject so we can all work together to better understand this subject and use the knowledge to mankind's best interest.

Regards
Digambar

[takla]

Thanks Digambar for the detailed insight, though I understand minimal of astrology. What would be your recommendation of stones for me per my chart (details above in the thread)? Thanks.

[kandhan]

One key concept to be kept in mind is that wearing and use of gemstones is repeatedly recommended in our ancient scriptures and has been clearly stated as remedies for weak and afflicted planets in one's nativity. This has been confirmed by many rishis as well. We should not be so quick in discounting their vast wisdom and insights.

Hi
Could you possibly provide the name of these scriptures and Rishis? Tnx.

[Narayan]

Dear Digambar astrologer:

So your saying is by wearing gem stones, a permanent and complete remedy can be done for weak and afflicted planets or is it temporary solution?

1. If so, what is your explanation as to why planets became weak and afflicted to him/her at the time of birth?

Why?

2. What are you expecting the person to be after wearing such gem stones? Are you coming to say that by wearing such gem stones one's karma can be completely warded off? Or is it that by wearing such gem stones, one gets everything whatever he/she wants at their will? I used to see such adds in newspapers created by egoistic minds.

3. I have no heard of any scriptures or any rishis prescribing any gem stones. In fact, all scriptures are stating to undergo karma honestly and sincerely even if it is at your cost. Even if somebody exploits one's humbleness, they are literally taking away his/her karma, that's all.

It has been told N number of times in this very forum that nobody can escape karma. Those persons who are trying at remedies and trying to escape from things from current birth life are not understanding that if you somehow escape by doing any remedies, whatever it maybe, such karmic things will be waiting for you in your next birth or future births with accumulated interest with more pain. Remember, only body dies. You will come out of body with accumulated interests and you will continue into another body.

So decide, what do you want? You want to get rid off everything honestly and so sincerely in this lifetime itself or you want to accumulate everything more to have suffering and pain more in next birth time?

It has been the lack of knowledge regarding the karma factor such gem stones and things are going on in here.

Regards

Narayanan

[takla]

Using stones and for that matter remedies (including any kind of pooja/parihaar) appears to me as akin to cheating/fraud. Would God (if exists) would support those shortcuts (as Narayan also alluded to in his post above)?

Unless people recommending these understand (not just the theory/assumptions) how the whole system of life/brahmaand works (intricacies), all are just theories with NO substantial proof one way or the other. Same goes for people with so much conviction talking about past/future birth of an individual and the associated Karmic cycle overflow to next birth. Again, no one knows for sure. Though one thing makes sense to me is that astrological reading without the assumption of rebirth/karmic cycle is futile. And I completely and humbly admire and support the people in quest for finding the ultimate truth (except the I-know-all arrogance from few are sometimes distasteful). Quoting scriptures may support ones point of view for winning arguments (since their view point may be based on those scriptures), but I guess self-realization is the key!.

I am not sure if I make sense above. But, I am still interested to know the recommended stones for me (per my birth chart above) in desperation to get things for me in order. Please comment and additional reading is welcome too. Thanks.

[netpk]

[quote="takla"]Using stones and for that matter remedies (including any kind of pooja/parihaar) appears to me as akin to cheating/fraud. Would God (if exists) would support those shortcuts (as Narayan also alluded to in his post above)?

I am not sure if I make sense above. But, I am still interested to know the recommended stones for me (per my birth chart above) in desperation to get things for me in order. Please comment and additional reading is welcome too. Thanks.[/quote]

You are now sounding like you don't agree with the Idea of worship, seems you have no Trust on the methods which can be used to give your existance/horoscope/soul a boost.
If stones/puja cannot do anything why are you worried about your own gem stone, it doesn't do anything then why you want to know about it.

Key to get blessings is "One has to trust these powers" (you are already confused for existence of any such thing) and not to expect any Favours, If god likes your act he would bless, if not he don't needs to explain.
When we do puja, we are praying these powers, we are not making a business contract for benefits.
anybody who does puja with his true feelings will always be blessed no matter he spent Rs.1 or Rs.1 crore for getting it done.

There are people who were not even to eat meals twice a day, and today they sponsor many food donation camps, cause they believe god has blessed them with what they can share and they understand what hunger can lead to, by offering food to needy they are again not expecting Profits, but they are doing acts which will keep them blessed as they do it from heart and without any greed.

Anybody suggesting puja or performing on someone behalf should also do it Honestly and it should not be done to squeeze hefty money from the subject, as any such greed will lead Puja to become NULL and VOID.

I understand certain pandits do charge heavy and do not even care for being honest, all they need is more and more bunch of money, but they do a SIN and its a SIN already to get trapped in such a act.

World is full of good examples, including God's blessings which has saved many, one way or the other, it can prove you wrong but a person like you would not believe it and always claim it as a co-incidence or some other ACT as per his illusion.

The idea of Gem Stones is to support one's planet which can boost his charts and let his lagging planets support his action but its not a "guaranteed return plan" like a bank, its a act of faith, however this topic started with the idea that Gemstones do have negative impact, which I personally believe is true.

[takla]

You are now sounding like you don't agree with the Idea of worship, seems you have no Trust on the methods which can be used to give your existance/horoscope/soul a boost.
If stones/puja cannot do anything why are you worried about your own gem stone, it doesn't do anything then why you want to know about it.

Key to get blessings is "One has to trust these powers" (you are already confused for existence of any such thing) and not to expect any Favours, If god likes your act he would bless, if not he don't needs to explain.
When we do puja, we are praying these powers, we are not making a business contract for benefits.
anybody who does puja with his true feelings will always be blessed no matter he spent Rs.1 or Rs.1 crore for getting it done.

My post was more a comment on 'shortcuts' (stones/pooja-parihar) in a karma based life that we lead where the karmic debt is assumed overflowed to even next birth.

And, I agree to your point that it's all about trust/belief but please understand these are based on theories and assumptions based on scriptures. It's not possible to conclusively prove the rebirths and karmic debt birth after birth.

My other point was that if we believe in karmic cycle and God, then would God really entertain or be partial on the basis of a person doing Pooja/Parihars. I do to some extent agree to the logic of sound energy being produced when reciting Shlokas during 'Parihars' which enables the healing.

Same with Gem-Stones (and color therapy), but here due to physical nature of gem-stones and the way they can impact certain energies in our body and around us, it gives me little more faith (rather more conclusive faith). And, as I said earlier in the desperation to get things in order for me I need to know the correct gem-stones which benefits me and doesn't cause any harm. Now, I take most people on this board much more knowledgeable in astrology, gem-stones and related areas, and therefore my query.

Please note I am not atheist but not very religious either. I just like to read and question and think... maybe at a very basic level. Regards.

[numbskull]

namaste narayan ji

It has been told N number of times in this very forum that nobody can escape karma. Those persons who are trying at remedies and trying to escape from things from current birth life are not understanding that if you somehow escape by doing any remedies, whatever it maybe, such karmic things will be waiting for you in your next birth or future births with accumulated interest with more pain. Remember, only body dies. You will come out of body with accumulated interests and you will continue into another body.

sir by this theory one should not try to improve his condition but should surrender to fate completely

now consider this scenerio - one gets ill with malaria or tuberculosis (due to his bad karmas in past life) so in this life when he gets these diseases he should not seek any medical help(remedy) instead he should wait for his miserable end?

one gets hit by car broke his leg and he should not seek remedies( fracture fixation and antibiotics) instead he should wait for sepsis to develop and later die a painfull death and not only he suffers but also his family till they live, his children become orphan and his wife becomes widow all of them left to face sufferings and grief?

trying for solutions and trying to improve ones own life is an right of individual and also his moral duty.

i ask u what u do when u get ill or ur family members get ill do u not seek remedy ( run to docter) for that or let the karmas take their course while u wait.

when ravan abducted sita mata, ram ji didnot waited for fate instead he worked his path for recuing sita mata , before fighting ravan he recited adatiya hradya strota (isn't thats a remady) to gain strenght and blessings of surya bhagwan and than defeated the ravan.

remedies might work or not but things done with faith and devotion do bring results. for sita mata a shred of grass was a powerfull shield in front of ravan.

god erases our memory of past births becoz he doesnot want us to look back instead he wants us to start afresh and to give our best in this janama, he want us to do maximum to improve ourselves and people around us and to perform our duties of dharma, arthaa and kama sincerely.

thank you

[rathodp]

Do you mean to say that all that is happening ,good or bad is the result of our karmas of part life? yes I agree that part karmas influence up to some extent but we cant sit and suffer sayingo yes I was a paapi in last birth so now let me repent in this birth.Hope you dont say foot take medicines for fever or any sickness because it is action of your past karma that you got them in this birth.And this is the first time I ever heard that doing remedies would give you more sufferings in coming birth.Remedies,I beleive are nothing but to pacify some malefic placements of planets in your chart,never knew it was a shortcut.

Dear Digambar astrologer:

So your saying is by wearing gem stones, a permanent and complete remedy can be done for weak and afflicted planets or is it temporary solution?

1. If so, what is your explanation as to why planets became weak and afflicted to him/her at the time of birth?

Why?

2. What are you expecting the person to be after wearing such gem stones? Are you coming to say that by wearing such gem stones one's karma can be completely warded off? Or is it that by wearing such gem stones, one gets everything whatever he/she wants at their will? I used to see such adds in newspapers created by egoistic minds.

3. I have no heard of any scriptures or any rishis prescribing any gem stones. In fact, all scriptures are stating to undergo karma honestly and sincerely even if it is at your cost. Even if somebody exploits one's humbleness, they are literally taking away his/her karma, that's all.

It has been told N number of times in this very forum that nobody can escape karma. Those persons who are trying at remedies and trying to escape from things from current birth life are not understanding that if you somehow escape by doing any remedies, whatever it maybe, such karmic things will be waiting for you in your next birth or future births with accumulated interest with more pain. Remember, only body dies. You will come out of body with accumulated interests and you will continue into another body.

So decide, what do you want? You want to get rid off everything honestly and so sincerely in this lifetime itself or you want to accumulate everything more to have suffering and pain more in next birth time?

It has been the lack of knowledge regarding the karma factor such gem stones and things are going on in here.

Regards

Narayanan

[Zara]

I just wanted to know whether white opal is considered a powerful gemstone, who lords it and for which lagna would it be suitable. I think it is moon and cancer, but not sure. tnx

[Digambar.Astrologer]

Dear Narayan ji,

There seems to be a disconnect between what I wrote and what you seem to have read from my earlier post, so let me first try to quickly reiterate the highlights. I will then try to answer your questions to the best of my ability.

So your saying is by wearing gem stones, a permanent and complete remedy can be done for weak and afflicted planets or is it temporary solution?

In my post I did not venture into the subject of permanent/complete or temporary solutions via gem stones. What I said were -

1. I totally agree with the power and importance of prayers
2. Wearing the wrong stones will harm an individual
3. Gemstones are mentioned as remedies in our scriptures
4. This subject should be further researched into before we discard the option as a viable solution
5. And the fact that the strength of a house in a chart does not undermine or compromise or harm the significations of another just by being strong. To inflict harm there has to be a direct conflict between the lords in some way.

Now let me attempt to address the questions -

what is your explanation as to why planets became weak and afflicted to him/her at the time of birth?

It is said that the planets in a native's chart represent the net result of the karmic burden one is born to bear in this life. Please note that it is also mentioned that not all of one's past karmas are influencing the present life. What that implies is that mother nature (Adya Shakti, Mahamaya ... what ever you call her) takes from the entire pool of the residual karmas those that are most appropriate for the current life form and the situation and plane of birth. One is born with such tendencies and fate (if you can call it that). These are indicated by the heavenly map of the grahas, rashis, nakshatras, etc.

What are you expecting the person to be after wearing such gem stones? Are you coming to say that by wearing such gem stones one's karma can be completely warded off? Or is it that by wearing such gem stones, one gets everything whatever he/she wants at their will? I used to see such adds in newspapers created by egoistic minds.

What I have heard from Gurus and read in scriptures, and adding my little experience to the mix, my small intelligence puts it together like this -

The results of one's karmas are to be dealt with by every individual themselves. One exception is the grace of God and the protective shield of a God realized guru, they are both above and beyond everything else. God's desire is that every individual (who is no more than God's essence himself) overcomes the limitations of God's maya and return to his original Godhood. This is to be accomplished by realizing "as a fact" one's real identity. To be realized one has to exhaust their karmas, which can be done by either facing them boldly without complaining (remember complaining is also a karma the results of which will have to be faced in the future) or by overcoming one's karmas. You overcome them by fresh karmas that nullify the effect or reduce them to a lesser degree, increasing the potential of dealing with them in the present birth. Any remedy, including gemstones, prayers, etc. aim towards this goal. If executed the right way it can give one strength to deal with his karmas in a positive manner (without or with less complaining) and also reduce the effect to a lesser degree. In general the rule that I would follow is that greater the weakness the more the remedy required. Like if there is a slight weakness to the benefic planet, we can attempt to augment that with only some basic prayers or a gemstone, where the afflictions are more, more than one remedy should be applied at the same time as an attempt to increase the individual's prospect to overcome.

I used to see such adds in newspapers created by egoistic minds

ouch, I have to say - that was under the belt... and I do not work for any add agency. If you look around you will probably find more not-so-competent religious teachers than not. And most of them are on TV and newspapers a lot, does that mean that one should totally discard the importance of having a guru? Remember "Guru binu hoye na gyaan". There are many true God realized masters in the world today, may or may not be on newspaper adds.

continued in the next post ...

[Digambar.Astrologer]

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I have no heard of any scriptures or any rishis prescribing any gem stones. In fact, all scriptures are stating to undergo karma honestly and sincerely even if it is at your cost. Even if somebody exploits one's humbleness, they are literally taking away his/her karma, that's all.

I am not a gemologist so I do not keep these references handy, but I can give you two examples. One is the "Sri Garuda Puranam" in the story of Valasur. It is explained how for the benefit of everyone his body was slained (with his consent) and how different parts of his body transformed into the various gemstones. It mentions in details the identifications of these gems, their effects and usages. Two rishis that we can safely believe who support this fact are "Sri Suta Goswami" the narrator of the story in the puran and "Sri Veda Vyaas ji" the writer of the scripture. These are great masters whose sole aim was the benefit of mankind. If they did not believe in it they would have not made mention of these facts. Second, I can sight the example of "Sri Yukteshwara Giri ji". He is a fully God realized master of kriya yoga who graced this earth till about a 100 years ago. He is a paramahansa and was also a renowned astrologer. He has very clearly mentioned that gemstones are the most potent remedy for humans against planetary weaknesses. He is well known to have successfully used both gems and metal as remedy for several individuals.

Now that I have explained my point of view, I would request all the Nay-Sayers to please also share with this forum some authentic scriptural references that recommend us not to use gemstones or warm us against them. That will be very helpful in better understanding our options.

Lastly, I am of the belief that astrology was not designed (or rather provided to mankind) as a tool to announce bad news, but rather is a tool to allow a view into ones past, present and future potentials, which gives us the opportunity to improve our present efforts and future prospects so that we can overcome this "Samasara". If God were just walking around with a stick in his hand to beat us for our past actions and not also give us ways to conquer our fate, there will be not escape from this maya for anyone ever.

Please do share your thoughts on the subject.

Regards
Digambar

[Narayan]

Dear Digambarji:

"If God were just walking around with a stick in his hand to beat us for our past actions and not also give us ways to conquer our fate, there will be not escape from this maya for anyone ever."

Conquer fate by wearing such prescribed gemstones? Digambarji, if your or anybody's aim is to cross maya once and forever, such people wont recommend gemstones. Instead, they would pray at his holy feet, I mean do their part and leave the rest up to his decision. This gemstone is also a maya where you or the other is wanting to fulfill some of your mind's wishes.

Dear All, I have never said anybody not to do any remedies. Many are mistaken. I also do my part by praying as an instrument and rest leave up to his decision and accept whatever it is. I am not after any gemstones or things neither I wish for it.

I said karmic factor with regards to not to be in this circle again and again, that's all as if born again such things will be repeating in itself from time to time in a body, some kind of problems or the other will keep tormenting one for sure, again as mind does not get what it wishes, it will highly want to fulfill its wishes by searching for such gemstones or through remedies whereby it will make people run after such things.

It is not at all possible to have 120 years of life if born in a body without any kind of problems whoever it maybe. So here is where the importance of prayer comes and what you pray and how you pray?

There is not even a guarantee that one will even get again a human body after this. Please do not ask me to show proof of whether any rebirth or such things are there as it has to be experienced personally.

Please carry on the remedies with gemstones and may the world be happy.

Regards

Narayanan

[Saindhavi]

Shilpaji is right that one should wear a gem only when one is absolutely sure that it's not influencing any bad houses in the chart - 6th, 8th and 12th. To this I would also add 3rd, to be on the safer side.

In general, one should not wear a gem for malefics - Gomed, Cat's eye, coral and blue sapphire - last one especially so.

I in principle do not prescribe blue sapphire to anyone, no matter how good Saturn is in a chart.

I have seen a lot of ill effects of blue sapphire and especially I have seen people getting cancer, or someone close to them getting cancer after wearing blue sapphire. Other ill effects are also common.

In summary, blue sapphire causes more damage than it does good. So, I don't recommend it even if Saturn is benefic in a chart.

If one must strengthen Saturn in one's chart, hymns and charity are much better remedies than blue sapphire.

For scriptural references to gems in Jyotish - Please know that ancient Jyotish texts don't prescribe gems as remedies.

It's actually an Ayurvedic remedy.

There is a section in Ayurveda that deals with astrology, planetary influences on our body and suggests remedies for these influences.

In this section, gems and herbs are recommended for planetary influences.