Saindhaviji, Please don't again say same 'Ram Kahani' and take a combative posture!
Just want to know (again):
1) Will now Rahu-Mars in Scorpio, with Saturn alone in Libra be good for me?
2) Will later Rahu-Saturn in Libra be good for me?
3) Now what's with Venus? And what will it do to me?
Yes, yes, I know you will also ask me to refer to the other thread about Saturn exal.
Gosh, I sometimes feel cornered!
You keep saying Libra lagna people or Libra strong house..so, am I any of those?
Explorings somehow got the idea that Rahu is getting powerful in Scorpio again with Mars moving there and that Venus is getting debilitated in Virgo quite soon - which is actually about a month away. Hence, she argued that we are in for big trouble now - not in the same language though.
So, I was only clearing the confusion in the above post.
I am not saying only Libra Lagna people - see my above post, where I have discussed Libra, Aquarius, Cancer, Leo, Scorpio and Virgo Lagnas - that's half of the zodiac.
Everyone's chart has Libra somewhere, so the Libra transit is influencing everyone though uniquely.
Your Lagna - Aquarius is also included there.
Response to your queries -
1 - yes
2 - yes
3 - Nothing. You don't have to worry about it.
Only 2nd half of Oct, 1st half of Nov and 4th Dec-11th Jan may be problematic.
See my comment above, where I have discussed Aquarius.
However, I said a million posts earlier that with Rahu in 10th in your Lagna chart, you will have a stable career only abroad, not in India. So, start moving abroad by all means.
PS - you are a strange kind of Bengali, who doesn't know Bangla and is a vegetarian. I think you need some training from Yellow, your Astro-Guru, who is a proper Bengali.
Yellow, please enrol your astro-shishya for proper training!
Well, I speak Bangla fluently, struggle to read but can't write. Born in MAH, childhood in DEL, back in MAH since my primary, parents part of ISKON, hence the language and diet. Why strange?
Saindhavi wrote:you have a completely vegetarian environment at home.
Correct.
But if you have realized, I ain't that religious and neither follow as much..just respect and acknowledge(..also all these have been so since I was born, so inculcated), hence/but I eat vegetables both over and underground (onions, etc)..as I don't agree with certain logics. But no eggs or meat or fish..never!
Yes, I will soon set sail..boat is getting ready for the western seas!
Mars is currently still trapped in Kal Sarpa (all planets except luminary, moon)... it will need to cross over Rahu before it can control Rahu, till Oct 4-5 possibly.
Mars moving over Rahu will finally break Kal Sarpa.
For Virgo Lagna, I still feel that the next 45 days will still be intense days, as 3/8L in 3H with malefic Rahu and YK Venus entering debilitation on 23rd Oct. You do not want 8L to be powerful and that too with Rahu.
Aggression,irritability, volatile nature, anger in speech, etc will still be high.
Lets wait for experiences from other esp. in the next couple of days.
I am not a typical Bengali, either. I am not at all fond of fish, except Hilsa and Prawn, which I mentioned in one of my posts to you. And though I can read very well and write very well and speak very well in Bengali, I prefer reading books in English than in Bengali. And am not fond of Rashagolla and neither a devotee of Goddess Kali.
Coming to the transits, don't you think we should take into consideration the Moon sign as well? That makes it quite complicated, understanding the effect of the transits.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
If you depend on your birth chart, you will not get the chance to come out of that grave you have dug for yourself, ever, because something or the other in your chart will always be wrong--sometimes, the major period, sometimes the sub-period, and at other times, the transit of Saturn, or Rahu, or Jupiter. Believe me, when it comes to a birth chart, everything can't be perfect, ever, so the more you bother about what your chart says, the more you will keep worrying about your life. You will keep waiting for that perfect time when as per astrology everything will be perfect, but it will turn out to be an endless wait. That is why I always say, if you do astrology, do it for others, never for your own self.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Akanksha,
Take it easy.
I tell you what I do when I am down and out: I go for shopping..buy blazers in summers for winters (that are never here by the way!), eat exotic food and buy myself something ridiculously expensive that I have been craving for or play cricket in the hot sun with school kids and become as brown as coconut. Also, I go on a diet - I loose my appetite when I am depressed, so I take full advantage of it and lose some more weight!(For that you've to pre-plan whether you wanna have exotic food or not, by the way!) It sometimes works and sometimes it doesn't!
Chill..all izz well
मैँ सुरज हुँ - अँधेरा चीड़ के हर रोज़ निकलूँगा,
मुझें क्यॉ रोंक पाओगे, ऊँजला रोंकने वालोँ।
If you depend on your birth chart, you will not get the chance to come out of that grave you have dug for yourself, ever, because something or the other in your chart will always be wrong--sometimes, the major period, sometimes the sub-period, and at other times, the transit of Saturn, or Rahu, or Jupiter. Believe me, when it comes to a birth chart, everything can't be perfect, ever, so the more you bother about what your chart says, the more you will keep worrying about your life. You will keep waiting for that perfect time when as per astrology everything will be perfect, but it will turn out to be an endless wait. That is why I always say, if you do astrology, do it for others, never for your own self.
Once more you proved that you strongly believe in free will.
Believe me, for all my "online partying," I too am down and out - it's just that I look at the brighter side of the astrology to keep myself happy and I have a tendency to remain optimistic against all odds.
So, just perform the remedies, focus on Jupiter aspecting your 10th and Mars now benefic in 4th, think positive and positive will happen
The challenge of life lies in fighting against all odds and winning - not resigning oneself to fate and feeling down and out.
So, just do the above and make up your mind that no matter what, you'll come out on top and you'll see you'll be on top!
Neelkumar,
It looks like you have a lot of money even without a job!
Yellow,
It seems I am the "Most Bengali" amongst all of us here!
Amongst all the deities, I feel closest to the Goddess, eventhough am too lazy to pray regularly.
Well, the Goddess also matches well with my idea of a strong, powerful woman, from whom the men seek support and who fights against her rivals and wins.
As I said I love all non-veg food including fish and like the "regular Bengalis," it's an emotional need for me. I love rasgullas and Gulab Jamuns too.
Coming back to the transit issue - Yes, Moon sign too - if people want to share.
I excluded the Moon sign because I wanted to keep it simple. But if people want to give Moon sign, that would be welcome.
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Believe me, for all my "online partying," I too am down and out - it's just that I look at the brighter side of the astrology to keep myself happy and I have a tendency to remain optimistic against all odds.
So, just perform the remedies, focus on Jupiter aspecting your 10th and Mars now benefic in 4th, think positive and positive will happen
The challenge of life lies in fighting against all odds and winning - not resigning oneself to fate and feeling down and out.
So, just do the above and make up your mind that no matter what, you'll come out on top and you'll see you'll be on top!
Neelkumar,
It looks like you have a lot of money even without a job!
Yellow,
It seems I am the "Most Bengali" amongst all of us here!
Amongst all the deities, I feel closest to the Goddess, eventhough am too lazy to pray regularly.
Well, the Goddess also matches well with my idea of a strong, powerful woman, from whom the men seek support and who fights against her rivals and wins.
As I said I love all non-veg food including fish and like the "regular Bengalis," it's an emotional need for me. I love rasgullas and Gulab Jamuns too.
Coming back to the transit issue - Yes, Moon sign too - if people want to share.
I excluded the Moon sign because I wanted to keep it simple. But if people want to give Moon sign, that would be welcome.
Just to make a formal report, met an accident on 21st Sept. This time all bruises, but nothing broken.
However brusises are on left hand n leg. My left hand wrist got broken in mid dec 2011, and was hospitalised with some metal pin woven in bones to put it back.
It do not know astrological significance, but thought to share it.
Rahu is in 4th House of Scorpion owned by Mars. Mars is in own Sign Aries 9th house in birth chart along with jupitor.
What do you see regarding upcoming tranist. Libra falls in 3rd house, which you beleive is not a good house. What do 3rd house represent or signifies. Kindly help in understanding.
Yes, true Venus will be debilitated in Virgo i.e., 12th from its own sign from around 23rd Oct and Mars will control the power of Rahu in Scorpio from today onwards.
The way I see it - and Explorings can of course give her opinion - This of course means debilitation of Virgo and empowerment of Scorpio houses. Add to this the exalted Libra house now, without Mars affliction.
saindhavi ji i'm not getting it , ur talking about debilation/exalation of house or rashi but as far as i have known only grahas get exalated or deb. as per their placement in particular rashi
how can rashi/zodiac can get deb. or exalated?
how can any house of kundli can get deb. or exalated?
u say deb. virgo if u r talking about strength of virgo than shouldn't we be looking at its lords(budha) strength to determine that ?
u also talk about cancellation of deb. of venus due to placement of exalated saturn in libra but for cancellation of any planet we have different rules like its position from moon or exalation of its depositor ?
could u pls explain these above mentioned principles of your.
Yes, Leo Lagna people are running not a good transit with Saturn exalted in 3rd. It means extra struggle for them, alongwith unnecessary tensions, obsatcles in all plans etc. Saturn-Mars conjunction could have caused accidents for some.
Now, with Mars moving to Scorpio, things will improve for you, especially because your Lagna is protected by Jupiter's aspect. But struggles may continue, especially because Rahu-Saturn in Libra will reinforce your Rahu Mahadasha.
Do the remedies I had suggested earlier.
Get a priest to recite Durga Saptashati this Durga Puja.
Yes, Leo Lagna people are running not a good transit with Saturn exalted in 3rd. It means extra struggle for them, alongwith unnecessary tensions, obsatcles in all plans etc. Saturn-Mars conjunction could have caused accidents for some.
Now, with Mars moving to Scorpio, things will improve for you, especially because your Lagna is protected by Jupiter's aspect. But struggles may continue, especially because Rahu-Saturn in Libra will reinforce your Rahu Mahadasha.
Do the remedies I had suggested earlier.
Get a priest to recite Durga Saptashati this Durga Puja.
As you said "Yes, Leo Lagna people are running not a good transit with Saturn exalted in 3rd"
I am confused how saturn is not good in third & mars is good in fourth.Which jyotish shastra mentioned it,please advise.
Thanks for the birth details of Lata Mangeshkar. I was checking her chart, and let me share with you what I saw in it:
She has Jupiter in her ascendant, which makes her gentle, kind, virtuous, morally upright, and pious. Mars' aspect on the lagna indicates strength of character, boldness and independent nature for her. As 11th lord in the lagna, Jupiter shows the success she found in her life, but as 8th lord, it shows struggles for her, too, or maybe health issues, like liver problem, or diabetes problem, which, I am not sure of as I don't know anything about her personal life.
We all know what a wonderful singer she has always been. Her 2nd lord of voice, Mercury, exalted, definitely indicates that. 3rd house is the house of music, singing, and 3rd lord in the 3rd house, and that too, Moon, which is an artistic planet, shows why she has been a great singer and had huge success in it.
3rd lord in the 3rd house, which makes the 3rd house strong also shows why her sister Asha Bhosle has been a huge success too in her life, and that too in singing.
4th house is the house of learning, and Venus a creative planet there, shows her taking lessons in singing and mastering it. Venus in the 4th house must have also given her a comfortable and luxurious home, and she must have luxurious cars, too, but then, I am not sure of that as I don't know anything about her life. Venus aspecting the 10th house of career shows her career in singing as well.
4th house being the house of mother, her mother was maybe creative, and artistic, and beautiful also having charm and grace. As 6th lord in 4th house, her mother may have had problems in life, and she (Lata Mangeshkar) may have had had accident, while travelling in car. Domestic comfort may also be lacking due to the same reason. 4th lord, Sun, with exalted Mercury in the 5th house may also mean her mother was very intelligent and learned.
Mercury the 5th lord in the 5th house shows excellent learning ability. I don't know if she was good in studies or not, but it shows she should have been that. But a strong 5th house also shows grasping things easily--maybe, it was music for her, if she didn't stress much on her academics.
Now coming to Mars-Ketu in the 6th house, which is the house of enemies, and a house of competition also, malefics there helps a person crush their enemies/competitors, which she did, I am sure, or else she would not have been able to rule in Bollywood for such a long time that she did. It also shows tenacity, hard working ability, determination, and I am sure she had all that aplenty.
The 7th lord Mars in the 6th house, afflicted by Rahu, shows problems in regard to marriage. In her case, she didn't marry at all. It can mean problems in her interactions with the outside world, but I am not sure whether it was so.
Rahu in the 12th house shows she may have travelled abroad. Again, not sure about that. Saturn as 9th lord in the 8th house shows problems for her father, which again I am not sure about.
Now, let me come to her 10th house of career, and 9th house of fortune: her 9th and 10th lord Saturn is in the 8th house of difficulties, which means problems in career and fate not being on her side, but we know that it is not true as she had a brilliant career always and luck favoured her, too, to get so much success that she got, so I am not sure how this can be explained through her chart.
More in the next post...
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"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Now let's come to the planetary periods one-by-one:
Mercury period (1929-1946): Her Mercury being 2nd lord exalted, she may have been born in a prosperous family. Mercury being 2nd lord of voice, she may have taken interest in singing from her childhood itself. Being in the 5th house of intelligence and education, she may have done well in studies and was very sharp and intelligent when it came to taking decisions in life, whatever they were.
Ketu period (1946-1953): Ketu in the 6th house of enemies and competitions, she may have faced a lot of competitions and been bothered by enemies during this period of her life. Health issues may have also been there for her. As Ketu is with the 7th lord, maybe, she was asked to marry by her family, which she refused to, and that led to tensions in her life.
Venus period (1953-1973): Venus being in the 4th house she may have bought a luxurious home, cars, and was living a comfortable life, though domestic peace may have not been there as Venus is 6th lord for her, and maybe she had a car accident in the period. Venus being the planet of music and its aspecting the 10th house of career, her doing well in singing in this period is very much possible.
Sun period (1973-1979): Sun period may have been a good one for her, with success aplenty as Sun is the 4th lord of position, in the 5th house of dignity, with exalted 5th lord, Mercury. She may have gained from properties during this period as her exalted 2nd lord of wealth, Mercury is with 4th lord of properties, Sun.
Moon period (1979-1989): A very artistic period as it is 3rd lord in the 3rd house of music. She may have done very well in her singing during this time. She may have travelled a lot as well--as 3rd house indicates travels. and so does Moon. Moon is an emotional planet so maybe she was very emotional and sensitive during this period. Her sister may have had a lot of success during this period.
Mars period (1989-1996): This period may have been difficult for her. Health issues, getting bothered by enemies, losses, may have happened during this period. She may have had to undergo surgery too during this period.
Rahu period (1996-2014): Not a good period again. Shows health issues, losses, and even retirement from active life as 12th house is the house of retirement and losses and health issues. She may have travelled abroad during this period.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Thanks for reading Lata Mangeshkar's chart. You have done a lot of hard work to read it in such detail an you have done it really well.
The reason I said I doubted this was hers is because I had always imagined her chart should have exalted Venus in 2nd and a powerful 10th house or something like that. So, I was quite surprised to see this chart, as it has neither of the 2 qualities.
Venus does aspect her 10th house, but I had expected her 10th house to be more powerful than this.
I think her 8th Saturn aspecting its own 10th house, 2nd house of wealth and 5th house of intellect gives extra strength to these houses. Saturn's aspect from 8th shows wealth and success from hard work, but also a durable and long-term, stable wealth and success.
Besides, Venus happens to be her Lagna Lord, aspecting 10th, reinforced by 10th Lord's aspect on 10th.
So, it seems these combinations have given her the same success that an exalted Venus in 2nd would have given. Of course, the readings of all houses that you have given are also correct.
We know that her father Dinanath Mangeshkar was an actor and a classical musician, who died when she was about 12-13. She was the eldest amongst her siblings, so the responsibility fell upon her shoulders to earn a living and sustain her family, educate and settle her siblings at such a young age. She began to sing at this age and her first few years were really full of struggle and tough competition for her. This was partly the reason she didn't marry.
When her father was alive, they were comfortably well-off, but after his death, for some years they were in a bad condition. In this sense, her story is the story of rags to riches because of hard work - and of course, also because of a God-gifted divine voice.
She got some singing assignments because of her father's old contacts, but she was competing against such stalwarts of her age at the time as Suraiya, Shamshad Beghum and Geeta Dutt, who were already established. In fact, in some of her earliest songs, she has imitated the voice of Suraiya, in order to survive in the industry. Then I forget who, but one of the film Directors once suggested that she should sing in her own natural mellifluous voice, rather than being a shadow of Suraiya and she followed this advice. This proved not only a turning point in her own career, but also established her singing style as a parameter in film industry, which many singers have attempted to imitate, but not succeeded.
She also acted during her early career, but because of small pox marks on her face, discontinued and focused on playback singing instead, though personally, I have always found her quite attractive.
As for her education, she was enrolled in a school by her father, where she began to teach singing to her classmates. Her teaches scolded her and she withdrew from school forever. She got some basic education at home later, but I don't think she is formally educated.
Another discrepancy I couldn't understand was how she could get small-pox marks on her face, having Venus as her ruler and Jupiter in Lagna. Perhaps some malefic influence was on her Lagna in transit, when she got small pox.
You are right that her career declined from 1990s onwards and she has almost retired now.
Now, if we corroborate this chart with the current Libra transit, we get exalted 6th house with Saturn, Ketu-Rahu in 1-7, about to shift to 12-6 in Dec. Sun traverses through 6th in mid-Oct-mid Nov. So, 1-7 and 6-12 axes are quite powerful at the moment, though in a negative way. A negative 1-7 axis has been bad for her and a powerful 6-12 axis is never good, especially when it includes Rahu-Ketu.
So, it looks like illnesses, career taking a further plunge and a complete seclusion from public life in this Libra transit phase.
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I am glad to know that you liked my analysis of Lata Mangeshkar's chart. Her not having a powerful 10th house surprised me too, though Venus in the 4th house satisfied me.
When it comes to Saturn, we are always reminded of stability, durability, tenacity, discipline etc, and I agree with you that her career had all the signs of a strong Saturn influence. 10th lord Saturn aspecting the 10th house of career and its aspecting the 5th house of mind, gave her the discipline, the tenacity, the hard working ability the durability and stability in her career that we all know of. But 10th lord in the 8th house of intrigues, of setbacks, well, I wonder if she had any serious setback in her career--never heard of it though from the little that I know of her--as it is strongly indicated in her chart.
Venus being her lagna lord and aspecting her 10th house that definitely gives a lot of strength to the 10th house as 10th lord aspecting the 10th house.
About her acting, 3rd house being the house of acting, a strong 3rd house may have made her get into it, but due to no 3-10 connection, it didn't turn into a full time career for her. There is a 10-2 connection in her chart (Saturn her 10th lord aspects the 2nd house and the 2nd lord), which may suggest the singing career that she has had--2nd house being the house of voice.
Coming back to the 10th house once more, the more I am seeing it, the more it is making me difficult to believe in its strength--her 10th lord Saturn is in gadanta, and then, it is also debiliated in navamsha. Another point is, how has Saturn's aspect on 2nd house and 2nd lord given her the voice of a nightangle? If you see her Saturn, it is in Ketu's nakshatra, which is in the 6th house showing more affliction to her 10th lord.
The small pox marks on her face are there because Saturn is aspecting her 2nd house of face, and 2nd lord as well.
I am not seeing anything pleasant for her in this Saturn-Rahu transit in Libra. She is running the period of Rahu now, so that will make its transit more effective, and being in the 6th house, it will give disease to her, which maybe will be difficult to diagnose. Saturn being the significator of disease, joining Rahu in transit in the 6th house also signifies health issues for her. And then, she will start Rahu-Mars period, soon, which is not good for health, either, Mars being in the 6th house and Rahu in the 12th house.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Saindhaviji, Please don't again say same 'Ram Kahani' and take a combative posture! 
It sometimes works and sometimes it doesn't!
