Dear All,
Much is written about the remedial measures. The doyen of astrology KN rao ji has following to say in this. (Excerpts from his article)
In this case, the girl had come to me with her aunt, not trusting her parents. It was the period of Venus-Rahu. Venus is the seventh lord and Rahu and Mars were gripping the natal Moon. The aggression of Mars and the effect of Rahu is infatuation here, not a platonic love at all. She was in her early twenties with strong sex hormones.
Through other methods and dashas, it was clearer and confirmed.
It was the year 2001 when in transit, both Jupiter and Saturn in Vrisha, her seventh house and Rahu in the eight house, Mithuna and Mars in Dhanu aspecting it had made matters worse.
Her aunt had met me many times before. But the girl was seeing me for first time. I stated her problem without her having to tell me. She smiled and perhaps thought that I would predict it approvingly. I did just the opposite and told her to wait for two years and more, telling her that it was a wrong choice, a disastrous one. She was annoyed. She did not abuse me but her grimace had conveyed it all. It has happened to me many times before. I have to tolerate it for the sake of my friends who are anxious parents.
The girl went away and told her aunt loudly enough for me to hear that she would never again come to consult me. It has happened to me many time before.
Then her guru, spiritual guru, intervened. The girl found out herself that the boy was ill-educated, immoral vagabond wanting to become an actor in Bombay and except running after girls, he achieved nothing.
The girl was disillusioned.
The antardasha of Rahu was over and came Jupiter now. Jupiter is in Kanya with Venus the seventh aspecting the seventh house. Navamsha confirm it so well.
She asked her aunt to arrange a meeting with me, now disillusioned, and wanting real guidance unlike two years ago when she had lost her mental balance in the sub period of Rahu.
“You will have a good, orthodox marriage approved by your parents and lead a good married life”. I told her.
“When” she had asked me.
“Very soon, anytime”, I told her and few weeks after that the parents got a good MBA boy with a good salary and good family for her. She accepted it cheerfully and thanked me once. Coming with her husband another time she gave me some presents also.
Her parents reminded it of and thanked me again now when it was not necessary. Their daughter has two children and is well settled in a happy married life. A disaster was avoided, the parents said again.
After they left, I asked myself in how many cases can such disastrous marriage be avoided ? The astrologer can only see the horoscope, the dasha pattern and advise. In some cases it gets prevented, in some cases the disaster takes place, the girls divorces, remarries and settles down in married life seriously. In some cases terrible crimes take place.
What is the role of an astrologer in all this ?
None at all. He sees the horoscope sees the dasha pattern and advises according to his own capacity. Whatever is destined to happen, happens.
The moral of the story: allow the unhelpful antardasha or antardasha (pratyantar dasha?) to change and in most of the cases and a solution emerges out.
His last line is the most powerful remedy as per me too.
The best remedy as per Shri KN Rao
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"Whatever is destined to happen, happens."
Krishnaji
Its seems like a very fatalistic outlook. Makes one question the necessity of astrology itself, doesn't it? I mean, Parashar Muni has himself given some remedies in his work.
Krishnaji
Its seems like a very fatalistic outlook. Makes one question the necessity of astrology itself, doesn't it? I mean, Parashar Muni has himself given some remedies in his work.
Nothing is free except God's Grace.
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KET
Kandhanji
Yes Parasher Rishi has himself given more remedies in his work. Let us not look into folks who markets the book for a good chunk of money. We must learn and practice the great remedies given by Sages/ Rishis for welfare of human kind. Even you know, Lord Ram(Vishnu avatar) first worshiped Lord Ganesh and Lord Shiva to wage war against Ravan ( a poweful warrior at that time). Please remember and recollect, why Lord Ram avatar of Lord Vishnu worshiped Lord Shiva before the War commenced with Ravan.
English dictionaries define remedy as “a treatment that corrects a disease, injury, fault, flaw, error, evil, etc.” Giving a “remedy” for fate implies that something somewhere is wrong, flawed, evil, etc. The vast majority of people believe that it is their fate which is evil, flawed and faulty; in need of cure.
Having said that, let us look at one e.g, in a Professional examination, a student does not submit the project report as per the procedure does not study properly, attends regular class but when the student writes the examination and fails. The student should not talk about destiny for him/her to fail in this examination. The destiny was taken by him/her for him/her to self sabotage in the examination. If the student submitted the project report and studied properly (which are the remedies to pass out in the examination) would have passed out in the professional examination.
Now let us look at a part of Mahabarath story. Jayadratha ( also known as Saindhava) who married to Dushala, Sister of Duryadhana and his 99 brothers. When the Pandavas were in exile, one day Jayadratha saw Draupadi. He proposed to marry her. But, Draupadi refused to marry him. Then, Jayadratha abducted Draupadi and was moving towards his kingdom. Pandhavas when returned to ashram did not find Draupadi. Yudhister ordered Bheem and Arjun to find about Draupadi. Arjuna and Bheema came to know about the abduction by Jayadratha. Both of them defeated Jayadrath and brought him before Yudhishtra. Draupadi suggested that Jayadrath should not be killed, in order to prevent Dushala from becoming a widow. She suggested he be treated like a slave. So, Yudhishtra ordered him to be treated like a slave. Bheema shaved the head of Jayadratha leaving five spots of hair on his head and set him free.(Fate 1). So, Jayadratha performed a rigorous tapasya in order to please lord Shiva. Lord Shiva appeared before Jayadratha. Jayadratha asked the lord to give him enough strength so that, he can defeat all the Pandava brothers in a war single-handedly. But, the Lord was unable to give such a boon to Jayadratha. But, instead gave him a garland by using which, he could hold all the Pandavas at bay for one day when Arjuna and Lord Krishna were not around(Remedies 1). Although Lord Shiva loved his devotees equally and generally did not ignore the tapasya of rakshasas, asuras, yet he always found ways to protect dharma and never allowed the evil to triumph over good. Jayadratha met his father Vridhakshtra who was a sage. He asked his father to grant him a boon by which he could choose the time of his death just like Shantanu who gave a similar boon to Devavrata (i.e. Bhishma). His father expressed his inability to grant such a boon. But, instead he said that who ever caused the head of Jayadrath to fall on the ground, will be killed immediately by having his own head burst into 100 pieces.( Fate2). On the 13th day of the Mahabharata war, when the Chakravyuha was launched by Dronacharya, then Jayadrath made use of the first boon granted to him by Lord Shiva. He was able to hold all the Pandava brothers at bay except Arjuna and Krishna who were busy battling elsewhere with Susharma and his brothers. Jayadratha allowed Arjuna's son Abhimanyu to enter the battle, but effectively closed the opening created by Abhimanyu. Abhimanyu who did not know how to exit from the Chakravyuha got trapped and gets killed in a brutal way by the Jayadraha ( by killing Abhimanyu from the back, which is against Ethics in battle)… Fate 3. After the end of the battle, Jayadratha kicked the dead body of Abhimanyu and rejoiced around it. Fate 4. The Pandavas were startled and enraged after finding that Jayadratha (whose life was once spared during the Draupadi's abduction episode in the past) was able to hold the world's most powerful warriors at bay. Arjuna blamed Jayadratha to be the cause for Abhimanyu's death. He vowed to kill him the very next day before sunset, failing which Arjuna would kill himself by jumping in a pyre of fire. Fate 5.
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Yes Parasher Rishi has himself given more remedies in his work. Let us not look into folks who markets the book for a good chunk of money. We must learn and practice the great remedies given by Sages/ Rishis for welfare of human kind. Even you know, Lord Ram(Vishnu avatar) first worshiped Lord Ganesh and Lord Shiva to wage war against Ravan ( a poweful warrior at that time). Please remember and recollect, why Lord Ram avatar of Lord Vishnu worshiped Lord Shiva before the War commenced with Ravan.
English dictionaries define remedy as “a treatment that corrects a disease, injury, fault, flaw, error, evil, etc.” Giving a “remedy” for fate implies that something somewhere is wrong, flawed, evil, etc. The vast majority of people believe that it is their fate which is evil, flawed and faulty; in need of cure.
Having said that, let us look at one e.g, in a Professional examination, a student does not submit the project report as per the procedure does not study properly, attends regular class but when the student writes the examination and fails. The student should not talk about destiny for him/her to fail in this examination. The destiny was taken by him/her for him/her to self sabotage in the examination. If the student submitted the project report and studied properly (which are the remedies to pass out in the examination) would have passed out in the professional examination.
Now let us look at a part of Mahabarath story. Jayadratha ( also known as Saindhava) who married to Dushala, Sister of Duryadhana and his 99 brothers. When the Pandavas were in exile, one day Jayadratha saw Draupadi. He proposed to marry her. But, Draupadi refused to marry him. Then, Jayadratha abducted Draupadi and was moving towards his kingdom. Pandhavas when returned to ashram did not find Draupadi. Yudhister ordered Bheem and Arjun to find about Draupadi. Arjuna and Bheema came to know about the abduction by Jayadratha. Both of them defeated Jayadrath and brought him before Yudhishtra. Draupadi suggested that Jayadrath should not be killed, in order to prevent Dushala from becoming a widow. She suggested he be treated like a slave. So, Yudhishtra ordered him to be treated like a slave. Bheema shaved the head of Jayadratha leaving five spots of hair on his head and set him free.(Fate 1). So, Jayadratha performed a rigorous tapasya in order to please lord Shiva. Lord Shiva appeared before Jayadratha. Jayadratha asked the lord to give him enough strength so that, he can defeat all the Pandava brothers in a war single-handedly. But, the Lord was unable to give such a boon to Jayadratha. But, instead gave him a garland by using which, he could hold all the Pandavas at bay for one day when Arjuna and Lord Krishna were not around(Remedies 1). Although Lord Shiva loved his devotees equally and generally did not ignore the tapasya of rakshasas, asuras, yet he always found ways to protect dharma and never allowed the evil to triumph over good. Jayadratha met his father Vridhakshtra who was a sage. He asked his father to grant him a boon by which he could choose the time of his death just like Shantanu who gave a similar boon to Devavrata (i.e. Bhishma). His father expressed his inability to grant such a boon. But, instead he said that who ever caused the head of Jayadrath to fall on the ground, will be killed immediately by having his own head burst into 100 pieces.( Fate2). On the 13th day of the Mahabharata war, when the Chakravyuha was launched by Dronacharya, then Jayadrath made use of the first boon granted to him by Lord Shiva. He was able to hold all the Pandava brothers at bay except Arjuna and Krishna who were busy battling elsewhere with Susharma and his brothers. Jayadratha allowed Arjuna's son Abhimanyu to enter the battle, but effectively closed the opening created by Abhimanyu. Abhimanyu who did not know how to exit from the Chakravyuha got trapped and gets killed in a brutal way by the Jayadraha ( by killing Abhimanyu from the back, which is against Ethics in battle)… Fate 3. After the end of the battle, Jayadratha kicked the dead body of Abhimanyu and rejoiced around it. Fate 4. The Pandavas were startled and enraged after finding that Jayadratha (whose life was once spared during the Draupadi's abduction episode in the past) was able to hold the world's most powerful warriors at bay. Arjuna blamed Jayadratha to be the cause for Abhimanyu's death. He vowed to kill him the very next day before sunset, failing which Arjuna would kill himself by jumping in a pyre of fire. Fate 5.
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Kauravas arranged a combination of 3 vyoohas in order to protect Jayadratha from Arjuna. At a climactic moment, the sun had nearly set and thousands of warriors were still between Arjuna and Jayadratha. Krishna soon realised that Arjuna was unable to reach Jayadratha before sunset. So, he sent his Sudarshana Chakra to in order to mask the sun and thereby causing a solar eclipse in order to create an illusion of sunset. The Kaurava warriors rejoiced over Arjuna's defeat and were looking forward for his imminent suicide. Jayadratha came before Arjuna and laughed at Arjuna's defeat. In the meantime, the Sun appeared suddenly. Then, Krishna suggested Arjuna that the sun has not yet set. He pointed his hand towards Jayadratha and asked Arjuna to kill him without wasting further time. Arjuna then invoked the most powerful of his weapons, the Pashupatastra which was given to him by Lord Shiva, which decapitated Jayadratha's head. In order to avoid Jayadrath's head from falling on the ground, Krishna advised Arjuna to instruct Pasthupatastra in such a way that the head gets carried and fall on the lap of Vridhakshtra. Vridhakshtra was meditating in a place very close to the battlefield. The head of Jayadratha gets carried and fell into his father's lap. His father got up in shock as he did not know what fell on his lap. The head of his son falls on the ground and his head bursts into 100 pieces and gets killed. Thus, Vridhakshtra becomes the victim of his own boon granted to his son. Thus, Lord Krishna saved Arjuna and saw to it that both Jayadratha and Vridhakshtra are killed in the same stroke.
There were lots of Fate( self destructed by lone) by Jayadratha. In his freewill, Jayadratha worshipped Lord Shiva ( as a part of remedies) but still Lord Shiva knows about the evils done by Jayadrat still gave a boon. Jayadrat could have stayed till night after Arjun set himself fire, but Lord Krishna made him to come out from chakravyuh ( that was his free will to come out from Chakravyuh).
Those do good in Karma in this life time, atleast God will help the person to come out from misery and person should not engage himself/herself from adharma Karmas.
A “remedy” is really a treatment
to correct the flaw in how we deal with our present,
and thus create our future.
The Sanskrit word used in this context is upāya. It means, “coming near, approaching, joining; and that by which one reaches one’s aim.” This is a much better term than the English “remedy” because it communicates that the means of attaining happiness is to come closer to embracing the corrections given to us by destiny.
In addition to this fundamental truth, classical texts on Indian astrology specify specific remedies tailored to particular issues and planets:
• Intentional association with the qualities of the specific planet. Via:
o Respect Mother, Father
o Respect Guru/teacher
o Respect elders/ ritual rites
o Mantras
o colors
o clothes etc
There were lots of Fate( self destructed by lone) by Jayadratha. In his freewill, Jayadratha worshipped Lord Shiva ( as a part of remedies) but still Lord Shiva knows about the evils done by Jayadrat still gave a boon. Jayadrat could have stayed till night after Arjun set himself fire, but Lord Krishna made him to come out from chakravyuh ( that was his free will to come out from Chakravyuh).
Those do good in Karma in this life time, atleast God will help the person to come out from misery and person should not engage himself/herself from adharma Karmas.
A “remedy” is really a treatment
to correct the flaw in how we deal with our present,
and thus create our future.
The Sanskrit word used in this context is upāya. It means, “coming near, approaching, joining; and that by which one reaches one’s aim.” This is a much better term than the English “remedy” because it communicates that the means of attaining happiness is to come closer to embracing the corrections given to us by destiny.
In addition to this fundamental truth, classical texts on Indian astrology specify specific remedies tailored to particular issues and planets:
• Intentional association with the qualities of the specific planet. Via:
o Respect Mother, Father
o Respect Guru/teacher
o Respect elders/ ritual rites
o Mantras
o colors
o clothes etc
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Krishnagopal ji,krishnagopal1968 wrote:"What is the role of an astrologer in all this ?
None at all. He sees the horoscope sees the dasha pattern and advises according to his own capacity. Whatever is destined to happen, happens. [/color]
The moral of the story: allow the unhelpful antardasha or antardasha (pratyantar dasha?) to change and in most of the cases and a solution emerges out."
His last line is the most powerful remedy as per me too.
I also believe in the same.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Krishna Ji,
Excellent and well described post, I fully agree, astrology and astrologer can only show the path, its upto the person to follow or dis-obey, most genuine astrologers would show whats good whats bad, and that's what counts.
I've similar experience in my family itself.
my brother-in-law was long waiting for a marriage and there was a girl I don't know where he met her, but she was sounding little strange to me and my wife, however the boy was too inclined towards her.
when we met she was literally asking for surety that whatever happens we'll have them get married but we were interested in seeing her family and let elder relatives talk first, she was kinda shady in her talks.
upon horoscope consultation one of my trusted astrologer said the guy would not be happy if marries in the period of currently on-going dasha, he should not go for a love-marriage at all, and the girl looks like she'll never stick to him, He suggested to wait around 30 more days and see what changes of dasha leads to, we asked the boy to remain little back-foot for few days and this girl was full of drama, little over a month from this she went over-seas and didn't even called the boy for few months, she sent a few hi and hellos thru her friends in India which sounded very strange, the boy was confused if she could call her other friends why not me, and when she came back temporarily said I was kinda busy, and didn't had access to phone.
What the hell, you were all into this guy for last 1 year and talked to him every few hours, and you are so dumb that you didn't saw a phone in entire country where you were staying with friends who were long settled there.
You are smart and qualified to work over-seas and you don't call the person whom you wanna live for life-long.
This reminded the boy of astrologers suggestion and the dasha period (I don't exactly remember name) he already experienced this strange thing, he was disheartened a bit but he himself stopped talking to her and parted.
There's one more such incident in his life but that would make this post too long to be interesting...
Excellent and well described post, I fully agree, astrology and astrologer can only show the path, its upto the person to follow or dis-obey, most genuine astrologers would show whats good whats bad, and that's what counts.
I've similar experience in my family itself.
my brother-in-law was long waiting for a marriage and there was a girl I don't know where he met her, but she was sounding little strange to me and my wife, however the boy was too inclined towards her.
when we met she was literally asking for surety that whatever happens we'll have them get married but we were interested in seeing her family and let elder relatives talk first, she was kinda shady in her talks.
upon horoscope consultation one of my trusted astrologer said the guy would not be happy if marries in the period of currently on-going dasha, he should not go for a love-marriage at all, and the girl looks like she'll never stick to him, He suggested to wait around 30 more days and see what changes of dasha leads to, we asked the boy to remain little back-foot for few days and this girl was full of drama, little over a month from this she went over-seas and didn't even called the boy for few months, she sent a few hi and hellos thru her friends in India which sounded very strange, the boy was confused if she could call her other friends why not me, and when she came back temporarily said I was kinda busy, and didn't had access to phone.
What the hell, you were all into this guy for last 1 year and talked to him every few hours, and you are so dumb that you didn't saw a phone in entire country where you were staying with friends who were long settled there.
You are smart and qualified to work over-seas and you don't call the person whom you wanna live for life-long.
This reminded the boy of astrologers suggestion and the dasha period (I don't exactly remember name) he already experienced this strange thing, he was disheartened a bit but he himself stopped talking to her and parted.
There's one more such incident in his life but that would make this post too long to be interesting...
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KET
Kandhanji
Just to sum it up
As people talk about today today etc modern science or research is nothing but how modern science is now revealing the power behind the ancient vedic chants, the influence of these laser sharp sanskrit hymns on human body and mind, the way these sacred recitals are designed to communicate with the Biological Internet .[/u] Our ancient sages/Rishis have taught us for ages that our body, surroundings and life can be mastered and programmed by our speech and words, with concentration and dedication.
The laser sharp focus of Sanskrit hymns, the ancient rituals and Yagyas where in Rishis chanted these hymns in unison in hundreds of numbers clearly indicate that they were aimed at creating a powerful biological broadcast to create a positive atmosphere. This also explains the reason why emphasis was given to chanting the hymns with specific pitch and in a specific style which nevertheless was sharp and focused, and mistakes were to be avoided at all costs, else the chants would not have the desired effect.
Be good, think good, tell your Broadcast/messages about our good thoughts, it will broadcast it to the surrounding medium, they will then amplify it a hundred times or a thousand times and continue broadcasting it to the rest of the world until finally the effect reflects back to us like an echo with a million times more energy, giving life to our thoughts. Thats what our ancients ( not the folks today who writes in the book for money that they market their products). If our thoughts are bad, then they will bounce back upon us with a million times strength. Always think good, and we will blessed with showers of goodness. What you sow is what you reap.
Just to sum it up
As people talk about today today etc modern science or research is nothing but how modern science is now revealing the power behind the ancient vedic chants, the influence of these laser sharp sanskrit hymns on human body and mind, the way these sacred recitals are designed to communicate with the Biological Internet .[/u] Our ancient sages/Rishis have taught us for ages that our body, surroundings and life can be mastered and programmed by our speech and words, with concentration and dedication.
The laser sharp focus of Sanskrit hymns, the ancient rituals and Yagyas where in Rishis chanted these hymns in unison in hundreds of numbers clearly indicate that they were aimed at creating a powerful biological broadcast to create a positive atmosphere. This also explains the reason why emphasis was given to chanting the hymns with specific pitch and in a specific style which nevertheless was sharp and focused, and mistakes were to be avoided at all costs, else the chants would not have the desired effect.
Be good, think good, tell your Broadcast/messages about our good thoughts, it will broadcast it to the surrounding medium, they will then amplify it a hundred times or a thousand times and continue broadcasting it to the rest of the world until finally the effect reflects back to us like an echo with a million times more energy, giving life to our thoughts. Thats what our ancients ( not the folks today who writes in the book for money that they market their products). If our thoughts are bad, then they will bounce back upon us with a million times strength. Always think good, and we will blessed with showers of goodness. What you sow is what you reap.
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Kandhan ji,
It is not fatalistic. It says about the patience.
In my view,the best use of astrology is to accept the karmas and to wait patiently for a better period.
The wonder is when we accept, psychologically we become free but if any physical pain there,it cant be avioded. Much of our suffering is due to our minds, and this acceptance is a wonderful key.
And I said this remedy is the best one, but not the only one.
Other remedies too have their work, good and better, i can say.
It is not fatalistic. It says about the patience.
In my view,the best use of astrology is to accept the karmas and to wait patiently for a better period.
The wonder is when we accept, psychologically we become free but if any physical pain there,it cant be avioded. Much of our suffering is due to our minds, and this acceptance is a wonderful key.
And I said this remedy is the best one, but not the only one.
Other remedies too have their work, good and better, i can say.
So well said, Krishnagopal ji. Completely agree with you. I also believe that "what cannot be cured must be endured".krishnagopal1968 wrote:It is not fatalistic. It says about the patience.
In my view,the best use of astrology is to accept the karmas and to wait patiently for a better period.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
You are right, Yermal. And whether we will get the correct remedy or not is not in our hand. It is predestined.yermal wrote:The question is what is the right remedy? Till we have the good luck of getting the right remedy we cannot avoid destiny.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
krishnagopal1968 wrote:In my view,the best use of astrology is to accept the karmas and to wait patiently for a better period.
Krishnaji
Why does the world need astrology at all for this? We are here because of our karmas, whether we accept them or not.
One can just surrender to the Supreme and be done with it.
The wonder is when we accept, psychologically we become free but if any physical pain there,it cant be avioded. Much of our suffering is due to our minds, and this acceptance is a wonderful key.
And I said this remedy is the best one, but not the only one.
I was not referring to your POW, but to that specific line in the article because if my memory serves right, he himself has suggested remedies in many cases which he has mentioned in his books and articles.
Other remedies too have their work, good and better, i can say.
Nothing is free except God's Grace.
Very well said Krishna ji.krishnagopal1968 wrote:It says about the patience.
In my view,the best use of astrology is to accept the karmas and to wait patiently for a better period.
Kandhan Bhai,
I feel, the patience Krishna ji is talking about gradually gives us understanding of "surrender" and by the time better period will come a person might have already understood real purpose of this divine science and the pattern of mind. Then a better period is just an acceptance of good karmas.
Regarding remedy and destiny, i feel everyone is bound to come to a stage where s/he will understand that mother nature loves balance. For those who believes it is destined, mother nature will make them believe in the opposite and vica-versa. One has to believe in even non-believing to create a balance.
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krishnagopal1968
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Kandhan ji,
Why does the world need astrology at all for this? We are here because of our karmas, whether we accept them or not.
One can just surrender to the Supreme and be done with it.
First of all, in my view, Astrology exists to show that God's will alone prevails and also to show that He cares equally for all beings, irrespective of good ones as well as evil ones.
secondly, really we dont know our past, but all are there in deep seed form in our Minds, which astrology reveals.
We are here, becoz of our karmas whether we accept them or not
A gud question!
I can explain theortically, but then what is the start of all these karma business?! That no one asks or questions with persons who say lot about karma or even he does not ask it himself
If you ask me, i can quote a mystic's point which is very dear to my heart. The very first step in karma starts right from the day we start to think of our own existence separate from others! Here accepting or rejecting karmas, automatically comes the sooner we think ourselves as separate.
So when this separateness goes away and i am free of all, is the real question according to me. I may be wrong in this way of understanding too, but in that case, i am eager to know your view in this.
And the surrender to supreme is not simple, it depends on our ripenness. As long as we think we can do something otherwise what is the meaning of our very own existence, then we have to do a lot or we find doing ourselves a lot on our own! The moment we get tired, then surrender happens, but sincere efforts via remedies, japas, mantras etc may be needed for that individual.
I was not referring to your POW, but to that specific line in the article because if my memory serves right, he himself has suggested remedies in many cases which he has mentioned in his books and articles.
Yes, KN rao ji also mentioned remedies but not only that. Sometimes, he went even to explain curses in horoscopes too, and said wherever Gulika is stationed, curse is on that particular house lord/house. (his book risks and tricks....mentions this)
But what he mentioned in this subject article is also true, may be after years of experiences, atleast at the end of life, we may slowly tend to accept it.
That is what my father had done, he tried acupuncture, tried ayurveda, tried mantras, gave donations but his knee pain had never left him till he died, i have witnessed it. But his case may be individualistic, there may be others for whom remedies have worked.
Why does the world need astrology at all for this? We are here because of our karmas, whether we accept them or not.
One can just surrender to the Supreme and be done with it.
First of all, in my view, Astrology exists to show that God's will alone prevails and also to show that He cares equally for all beings, irrespective of good ones as well as evil ones.
secondly, really we dont know our past, but all are there in deep seed form in our Minds, which astrology reveals.
We are here, becoz of our karmas whether we accept them or not
A gud question!
I can explain theortically, but then what is the start of all these karma business?! That no one asks or questions with persons who say lot about karma or even he does not ask it himself
If you ask me, i can quote a mystic's point which is very dear to my heart. The very first step in karma starts right from the day we start to think of our own existence separate from others! Here accepting or rejecting karmas, automatically comes the sooner we think ourselves as separate.
So when this separateness goes away and i am free of all, is the real question according to me. I may be wrong in this way of understanding too, but in that case, i am eager to know your view in this.
And the surrender to supreme is not simple, it depends on our ripenness. As long as we think we can do something otherwise what is the meaning of our very own existence, then we have to do a lot or we find doing ourselves a lot on our own! The moment we get tired, then surrender happens, but sincere efforts via remedies, japas, mantras etc may be needed for that individual.
I was not referring to your POW, but to that specific line in the article because if my memory serves right, he himself has suggested remedies in many cases which he has mentioned in his books and articles.
Yes, KN rao ji also mentioned remedies but not only that. Sometimes, he went even to explain curses in horoscopes too, and said wherever Gulika is stationed, curse is on that particular house lord/house. (his book risks and tricks....mentions this)
But what he mentioned in this subject article is also true, may be after years of experiences, atleast at the end of life, we may slowly tend to accept it.
That is what my father had done, he tried acupuncture, tried ayurveda, tried mantras, gave donations but his knee pain had never left him till he died, i have witnessed it. But his case may be individualistic, there may be others for whom remedies have worked.
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krishnagopal1968
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Dear Talib Ji,
Long time no see! I understand and am very happy to see u back.
Gud time after May 2013, i could say.
With Luv,
krishna....
Long time no see! I understand and am very happy to see u back.
Gud time after May 2013, i could say.
With Luv,
krishna....
Krishna ji
Talib was busy visiting picturesque nature places. Hence, his absence.
Talib was busy visiting picturesque nature places. Hence, his absence.
BTW, nice photos Talib.Talib wrote:Regarding remedy and destiny, i feel everyone is bound to come to a stage where s/he will understand that mother nature loves balance. For those who believes it is destined, mother nature will make them believe in the opposite and vica-versa. One has to believe in even non-believing to create a balance.
Nothing is free except God's Grace.
krishnagopal1968 wrote: but then what is the start of all these karma business?!
Krishnaji, I admire your courage to attempt to answer that bouncer.
If you ask me, i can quote a mystic's point which is very dear to my heart. The very first step in karma starts right from the day we start to think of our own existence separate from others!
So when this separateness goes away and i am free of all, is the real question according to me.[ I may be wrong in this way of understanding too, but in that case, i am eager to know your view in this.
Krishnaji, having no practical experience in spiritual matters, i dare not comment on teachings of a mystic. However, this is a seems like a valid assumption to explain the genesis of karmas. Its validity comes from the fact that it has also hidden within itself the direction one needs to take henceforth to reach the goal.
But i do have another question: Why do we start to think of our own existence as separate from others?
And the surrender to supreme is not simple, it depends on our ripenness.
VERY VERY true. We always keep planning about the future.
As long as we think we can do something otherwise what is the meaning of our very own existence, then we have to do a lot or we find doing ourselves a lot on our own!
VERY VERY true. In fact, this thought process like the Operating System which keeps working in the background of which we are not even aware of most of the time.
The moment we get tired, then surrender happens, but sincere efforts via remedies, japas, mantras etc may be needed for that individual.
I believe, here, you have beautifully explained Mr. Rao's seemingly contradictory viewpoints at different points of time. Probably one has to go through these baptisms to reach this stage
I was not referring to your POW, but to that specific line in the article because if my memory serves right, he himself has suggested remedies in many cases which he has mentioned in his books and articles.
Yes, KN rao ji also mentioned remedies but not only that. Sometimes, he went even to explain curses in horoscopes too, and said wherever Gulika is stationed, curse is on that particular house lord/house. (his book risks and tricks....mentions this)
But what he mentioned in this subject article is also true, may be after years of experiences, atleast at the end of life, we may slowly tend to accept it.
That is what my father had done, he tried acupuncture, tried ayurveda, tried mantras, gave donations but his knee pain had never left him till he died, i have witnessed it. But his case may be individualistic, there may be others for whom remedies have worked.
Nothing is free except God's Grace.
Krishna Ji,krishnagopal1968 wrote:Dear Talib Ji,
Long time no see! I understand and am very happy to see u back.
Gud time after May 2013, i could say.
With Luv,
krishna....
I am always happy to read your post's. They are one of the reasons why I still log on to lova.
There is nothing much in the forum to discuss/read about. big ego clashes and the fight to prove one's belief has become part of LOVA . specially in those long self praised threads.
The thing which bothers me is the abuse of astrology by some intellectual minds.
Thanks for your good wishes Krishna ji and i guess you are referring to end of my Mercury AD and start of Ketu AD.From past few weeks I have traveled to many good/holy places of south India. First time in my life i participated in sri ganesha chaturthi in Maharashtra which was an awesome experience, also did the visarjan by myself
, planning to spend some time in thiruvanamalai.. considering all these i think i am having a happy time. Love
Talib
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Kandhan Ji,
Thanks for the reply. But your last question, if we start discussing, then would go much in philosophising. Let us better avoid it.
There is a method however though, ie, by questioning the very accepted beliefs. But let us leave it at that.
Now this remedy part, my understanding is whatever KNR ji said, may be for that particular context or individual. Let us try this remedy also, if we find it suitable, or will try other ones.
Finally what we all want is a relief or a solution to a particular problem, hence whatever gives that, can be taken as useful. If not then let us discard it
Thanks for the reply. But your last question, if we start discussing, then would go much in philosophising. Let us better avoid it.
There is a method however though, ie, by questioning the very accepted beliefs. But let us leave it at that.
Now this remedy part, my understanding is whatever KNR ji said, may be for that particular context or individual. Let us try this remedy also, if we find it suitable, or will try other ones.
Finally what we all want is a relief or a solution to a particular problem, hence whatever gives that, can be taken as useful. If not then let us discard it
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Talib Ji,
I said 2013 later half as i felt due to Jupiter's transit and aspect to ur lagna. Periods i didnt check though.
About ego clashes in forum, it always happens! If one person stops it , then suddenly some other person would start and it goes on..... Our world always has this in every field, so it is better not to react and avoid wasting time.
Meanwhile we can share some of our ideas/insights. If they are true it will get through other's hearts. If not we can correct our understanding, in that way browsing here will be helpful.
I said 2013 later half as i felt due to Jupiter's transit and aspect to ur lagna. Periods i didnt check though.
About ego clashes in forum, it always happens! If one person stops it , then suddenly some other person would start and it goes on..... Our world always has this in every field, so it is better not to react and avoid wasting time.
Meanwhile we can share some of our ideas/insights. If they are true it will get through other's hearts. If not we can correct our understanding, in that way browsing here will be helpful.
Krishna Ji,
May 2013 is exactly when my mercury AD will end , which is 7th and 10th lord in 12th(retro) and in jayeshta nk.
Next is Ketu AD which according to Anuradha ji will be good for me as it is my lagna nk lord (moola).
I sometime just feel bad when i see people abusing astrology that is it, nothing more. I feel the whole world is under a continuous evolution process, and sooner or later everyone is bound to reach to the top.
your last two lines are the best and like always very precise.
You know why? coz we both are the best
Love
Talib
May 2013 is exactly when my mercury AD will end , which is 7th and 10th lord in 12th(retro) and in jayeshta nk.
Next is Ketu AD which according to Anuradha ji will be good for me as it is my lagna nk lord (moola).
I sometime just feel bad when i see people abusing astrology that is it, nothing more. I feel the whole world is under a continuous evolution process, and sooner or later everyone is bound to reach to the top.
your last two lines are the best and like always very precise.
Nupur Bhai,nupur wrote:Talib bhai,
I like to read your posts Bhai. Baaki sabki baat to mujhe jyada samajh aati nahi.
Regards
Nupur
You know why? coz we both are the best
Love
Talib
Dance of the Divine is "Thoughtless"
About remedies here is my understanding, which is based on simply my experiences and not on any logic and intellectualism.
Remedies DO work if we have faith in it. that faith must be as strong and unshakable as we have in the almighty, it doesnt matter what is the condition of our 5th and 9th house.
Human mind is so powerful that it can make ANYTHING possible. As arun bhai's signature's says "yathah bhavtah, tath bhavitih"
Remedies should be taken from the right person. Most of the times it is the punya karma of that person which works.
If we are already performing a remedy given by an eligible person, we should/must not perform a remedy given by another person for the same thing.
Above all is the grace which is always there but it works better when the heart is pure and the faith is strong.
Love
Talib
Remedies DO work if we have faith in it. that faith must be as strong and unshakable as we have in the almighty, it doesnt matter what is the condition of our 5th and 9th house.
Human mind is so powerful that it can make ANYTHING possible. As arun bhai's signature's says "yathah bhavtah, tath bhavitih"
Remedies should be taken from the right person. Most of the times it is the punya karma of that person which works.
If we are already performing a remedy given by an eligible person, we should/must not perform a remedy given by another person for the same thing.
Above all is the grace which is always there but it works better when the heart is pure and the faith is strong.
Love
Talib
Dance of the Divine is "Thoughtless"
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krishnagopal1968
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Gud luk Talib ji.
Anu ji is rite, Lagna's star lord period is very gud for many aspects specially in profession.
Anu ji is rite, Lagna's star lord period is very gud for many aspects specially in profession.
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I didnt see any discussion on the writeup by KET. I feel it has a lot of substance.
Here I would like to highlight one other aspect. The purpose of this birth being to attain Mukti I would say the best remedy to be any means that help us on our way to mukti. In the Srimad Bhagavatham King Parikshit who was cursed to death.by snakebite in 7 days did not seek.any remedies to avert it. He calmly sought to make the most of the available time by listening to the Srimad Bhaagavatham through the ever pure Sri Sukacharya. When his time has arrived his acceptance was such that Thakshaka the serpent found only the body; the soul of King Parikshit had long since attained Mukti oblivious of the body.
Moral of the story? Through ALL means available seek the company of divine persons. Fall at their feet; seek blesdings. This is the universal remedy.
I didnt see any discussion on the writeup by KET. I feel it has a lot of substance.
Here I would like to highlight one other aspect. The purpose of this birth being to attain Mukti I would say the best remedy to be any means that help us on our way to mukti. In the Srimad Bhagavatham King Parikshit who was cursed to death.by snakebite in 7 days did not seek.any remedies to avert it. He calmly sought to make the most of the available time by listening to the Srimad Bhaagavatham through the ever pure Sri Sukacharya. When his time has arrived his acceptance was such that Thakshaka the serpent found only the body; the soul of King Parikshit had long since attained Mukti oblivious of the body.
Moral of the story? Through ALL means available seek the company of divine persons. Fall at their feet; seek blesdings. This is the universal remedy.
