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He is yet to get married. :)
akanksha2807 wrote:Is he/she married twice?
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Dev wrote:We should rather say - we only have fate and fated free will and no free will.
Dev,

What you have quoted is exactly what I believe in these days.
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Yellow:

May be we are right. Our ignorance makes us think that we are using our free will sometimes.
Not that we have discovered something new and are superior to others who think they are using their free will most of the time. We are equally ignorant but we just want to give the entire credit to God and do not want to say that we even have capablility of doing a small thing independently ie every bit of thinking that we do is predestined.

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Dev,

I don't think either of us are feeling superior to others that we believe in something, and they don't. We all are entitled to have our own points of view, and who knows, they maybe are right, and we are wrong. After all, we can't prove anything, can we?

It is true that those who believe in destiny completely have less ego than those who believe in free will, but my growing the belief in destiny was not because of that reason--to shed off my ego. I grew that belief on the basis of what I understood and observed in life.

These talks of free will and remedies, they are nice to discuss and read in a forum, but when we come to real life, how many people get benefited by remedies, and how many people get the chance to apply their free will? We see so many people around us, who puts their best efforts and in spite of that fail again and again and does remedies and still nothing favourable happens for them. We see this all the time, everywhere. So my belief is based on what I have observed and not on some theory that I have read in some book.
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Basab:

I don't think either of us are feeling superior to others that we believe in something, and they don't. We all are entitled to have our own points of view, and who knows, they maybe are right, and we are wrong. After all, we can't prove anything, can we?

Yes, that is exactly what I said. See if I say I strongly believe in the existence of God, an atheist may say, no but he has rights to say so, since he might have faced so many calamities in his life. So from his view point he may be right but he cannot say God never exists, he should stop with saying God does not exist for him.
That is the reason I have even atheist friends since I try to understand them from their angle.

Also if a person is divorced twice, he may end up in saying girls are always like that and I do not want any more experience, we can never question him since it is his experience, another who has a good wife would say, I always like women, I treat them as Mahalakshmi. So both are right since they had the corresponding experiences.

It is true that those who believe in destiny completely have less ego than those who believe in free will, but my growing the belief in destiny was not because of that reason--to shed off my ego. I grew that belief on the basis of what I understood and observed in life.

No, it is not that way. We cannot shed off our ego just because we believe everything is destiny.
Again what could be the cause for difference? We may have done things and seen they dont happen the way we want them to happen. Others might have done things and found that those happened exactly the same they wanted them to happen. So they can call it free will, we can call it fate. Both are right from their own perspective. Only making general statements would be wrong.

Even about free will, if an astrologer gives pariharas for two people, both of them do the pariharas sincerely and the first achieves what he wanted to and the second fails. So first states, yes, I used my freewill, that is great, second would say, there is no such thing as free will. Both are right.
So we have to be cautious when we see such arguments and we have to use a holistic approach to understand things in the right perspective.

These talks of free will and remedies, they are nice to discuss and read in a forum, but when we come to real life, how many people get benefited by remedies, and how many people get the chance to apply their free will? We see so many people around us, who puts their best efforts and in spite of that fail again and again and does remedies and still nothing favourable happens for them. We see this all the time, everywhere. So my belief is based on what I have observed and not on some theory that I have read in some book.
Same answer as above

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Ket,

I don't know who you are but you are welcome to write here and discuss. Now let me answer -

About the person living in a comatose for 35 years, well, let me be honest with you. I don't know if astrology has an answer as to what combinations lead to comatose and having his discussion on his chart will be indeed an exciting.

Let's not apply the natal chart findings and do the post mortem

BUT, it is just a case of a patient whose parents or wife are worried as to when he would be finally discharged from the hospital. Let me narrate 2 incidents.

Hey, wait, the person is a fighting Lady who is living a Comatose life. She was brutally sexually assaulted and ra..., not only that rogue did this dastardly act, and but also tried take her life. From that period onwards, she(a para medico in that hospital) went into coma and living a comatose life.

In one incident, a close young member came down with malaria and it was very bad situation for him. Every doctor was predicting worst for him. Everyone including his wife was praying for him. They are very religious people also.

TTreating clinician has to be blamed, lot of investigation available in his disposable still he couldn't able to diagonse Malaria. A good doctor when analyses symptoms of a patient arrives at the diagonsis ( backed by investigation like Pathology or nuclear medicines), like how a astrologer analyses dasa period and the afflictions of planets and the resultant remedies ( mantra/ charity) etc to cure the disease or offer solution to treat the disease.

Then someone of his family member showed me his chart. I noticed a bad pratyantar of markesh periods. I thought to myself that his time for death had come. But then the antradasha was not of markesh and there was Guru'as aspect on the afflicting planets. I just told them that by october, he would be discharged. It happened as predicted. I had not recommended any remedy even though I was aware of MMM. What you will call this now? Why my prediction came true?


In another case, an astrologer had predicted in advance bad health for about 3 to 4 months to a relative of mine but after that, he would be out of trouble. As predicted, he did suffer life threatening disease. It was the worst moment for him. I even saw his chart and predicted that everything will be normal by March and he should be discharged soon. But since his wife was a religious, so she sought the help of a family tantrik who actually did not come to visit him at the hospital but instead suggested to his wife to chant MMM. I did not know whether they chanted any mantra but I thought that the tantrik meant that the time was up.

How astrologer predicts in advance, intuition. Yes, it is intuition along with appropriate analysing of the horoscope. This talent comes only through sheer dedication to learn (effort, Karma), respect the art ( Godess Saraswati or even Guru)

However, whatever be it, the astrologer's original prediction came true without suggesting any remedy.
I guess and believe it is your perception, not the native's who have undergone the misery.
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Another e.g, our family friend's son had a conginatal heart disease. It was diagnosed before the marriage. Family friend, like us strong religious KARMA anushtanam fearing persons. Heart specialist recommended heart surgery to knock the defects. They consulted three all India reputed Heart specialist, every one recommended the same. Sincerely, they prayed and visited important temples as a part of pariharams. Finally, when the problem of this magnitude as put forwarded to His Holiness, Holiness told family Friend don't worry everything will turn out to be normal. When they visited Heart specialists, they saw investigation reports of the person, they were surprised.Doctors reordered scan test, they told your son needn't go for surgery. It is a miracle they told our family friend.
yes it looks to be the real case of miracle but I have a doubt. I need to verify some facts first.

Is the person in question has a healthy heart now?


The person is fit & fine. Married and having a sibling as well.
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deeps wrote:
Another e.g, our family friend's son had a conginatal heart disease. It was diagnosed before the marriage. Family friend, like us strong religious KARMA anushtanam fearing persons. Heart specialist recommended heart surgery to knock the defects. They consulted three all India reputed Heart specialist, every one recommended the same. Sincerely, they prayed and visited important temples as a part of pariharams. Finally, when the problem of this magnitude as put forwarded to His Holiness, Holiness told family Friend don't worry everything will turn out to be normal. When they visited Heart specialists, they saw investigation reports of the person, they were surprised.Doctors reordered scan test, they told your son needn't go for surgery. It is a miracle they told our family friend.
yes it looks to be the real case of miracle but I have a doubt. I need to verify some facts first.

Is the person in question has a healthy heart now?


The person is fit & fine. Married and having a progeny as well.
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Basab:
How do you know it's me, Basab? 8) But you can address me with my real name if you don't like to call me Yellow. :)
Yes, that is exactly what I said. See if I say I strongly believe in the existence of God, an atheist may say, no but he has rights to say so, since he might have faced so many calamities in his life. So from his view point he may be right but he cannot say God never exists, he should stop with saying God does not exist for him.
That is the reason I have even atheist friends since I try to understand them from their angle.
Well, I agree with you that one should say that it is his personal belief than say that it is the truth as no one other than enlightened saints know what the truth is.
Also if a person is divorced twice, he may end up in saying girls are always like that and I do not want any more experience, we can never question him since it is his experience, another who has a good wife would say, I always like women, I treat them as Mahalakshmi. So both are right since they had the corresponding experiences.
Well, it's very obvious in this case that the first person is wrong because all girls are never like that; or else, the other person would not be having a good wife. And then, the person who has had divorce twice should also realize that as he will see around him many successful couples who are enjoying marital bliss.
No, it is not that way. We cannot shed off our ego just because we believe everything is destiny.
Again what could be the cause for difference? We may have done things and seen they dont happen the way we want them to happen. Others might have done things and found that those happened exactly the same they wanted them to happen. So they can call it free will, we can call it fate. Both are right from their own perspective. Only making general statements would be wrong.
Again here, if we think deeply, if a person gets everything after putting his best efforts, he should still not believe it is his free will, if seen logically--though he has every right to believe in what he wants to believe--because even though his efforts has got paid, he will definitely get to see hundreds around him for whom it isn't so, and it if he is a sensible person, he will start wondering why it is so, and this thought will definitely come in his mind that maybe his efforts got paid because he was destined to get success.
Even about free will, if an astrologer gives pariharas for two people, both of them do the pariharas sincerely and the first achieves what he wanted to and the second fails. So first states, yes, I used my freewill, that is great, second would say, there is no such thing as free will. Both are right.
So we have to be cautious when we see such arguments and we have to use a holistic approach to understand things in the right perspective.
How can both be right? If 2+2=4, it should be so always and not sometimes. Pariharas working sometimes and not working sometimes means that it's not something, which works for all, and when it doesn't work for all, a doubt will come in any logical person's mind on what the conditions are which makes it work in some case and not work in others. And one of the answers that will come to them is this: it's also fated whether a remedy will work for a person or not.
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Ket,

I believe in destiny and don't think remedies work. It is my opinion. You know how law of karma works. A person who commits a muder will be murdered in next life and so with other crimes. Any person who is suffering is suffering because of past life as is the case with the lady. The lady suffered becaused of her past sins.

anyway, since you are not interested in discussing from astrology point of view, so no point in continuing with it. Further I have already presented my points in my earlier posts to you.
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Sk mehta ji has dicussed in detail in his book sychronization of time periods. He demonstrated his predictions techniques very clearly and I even found success. All birth data are given along with time.
deeps

Jegdish, thanks for your generous feedbacks. People like you are rare. Well saturn is exalted in libra sign and. Debilitated in aries sign. So we see if saturn is in libra, His 7th aspect falls on aries which is a debilitated sign. Hope you got my point.
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Many thanks Deepsji for the clarrification,
Expecting your reply for my other queries :)
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deeps wrote:Ket,

I believe in destiny and don't think remedies work. It is my opinion. You know how law of karma works. A person who commits a muder will be murdered in next life and so with other crimes. Any person who is suffering is suffering because of past life as is the case with the lady. The lady suffered becaused of her past sins.

Your imagination and principle. In kalyug period, who do negative karmas, it is instant, there is no carry forward to next life. It is instant NET transfer , people have to undergo in this life immediately or later stage of life.

Remedial Measure is a very important part of Vedic Astrology and like other principles of Jyotish, it always work. . Not only do they work but they do work in a systematic way.Systematic way means that the remedies would work as displayed by the horoscope itself. Like, if a planet is in 2nd H and Lord of 6th H, remedy for the planet will help for only 2nd & 6th H areas connected, It is divine principle remedies work and it is extremely impossible to describe how remedies like prayers work.

The negative karma incurred for the immoral deeds performed in past births. Remedies pay off the negative karma through the good deeds instead of making sufferings as the result, and so balance the karmic energies.Remedial measures, such as with the divine grace either with prayers and worshipping such as chanting mantras, or with doing good deeds such as serving others, donating to the poor, Fasting works in the way of penance or self-discipline.

Like Jyotish, remedial measure is also the laws of nature and one can not ignore them if onedoes not respect/ trust them. Everyone is under this divine law. Anyone doing a correct remedy in a correct way would get the benefit and anyone messing with this divine law even without knowing would be troubled. However, to get a remedial measure work positively one will have to do it with respect.

Remedy is not just a human effort, but it is a divine grace for the person who enjoys it's blessings. There always is certain direct or indirect indication in the horoscope itself for divine grace and the person performs this in the very period of a benefic planet declaring this, such as Jupiter, ninth lord, fifth lord, or other benefics strongly connected to them.

To understand remedies one have to understand how planets work. One who is not versatile in prescribing remedies to queriest, there is a room for to learn more on Vedic Astrology.After all, Great Sage Parashara ,( great son of Vashistar Rishi, and Father of Ved Vyasar) has given the Vedic Astrology and various remedies.

As, I have been saying earlier, remedies are not like antibiotics to be sold, if people doesnt respect the remedies( Divine remedies) they need to hold back their views. After all, a doctor who doesn't know how to prescribe an antibiotic to a patient, cannot tell that patient remedies will not work if you are diseased, than whats the point of learning Dhanvantri subject..



anyway, since you are not interested in discussing from astrology point of view, so no point in continuing with it. Further I have already presented my points in my earlier posts to you.
Astrology has come from Puranas & Vedas
Astrology and the remedies are interconnected . Anyway, a Good astrologer will always suggest simple remedies to a distressed queries t to reduce the miseries.
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Good to know..After saturn MD started and especially after marriage, wealth accumulation started.my career growth was also good but I had a very equal stress and pressure all the time..Now I want easy money like to win lottery ...I am exhausted taking lots of stress and pressure.
When you say plenty of dhana yoga - How do you define that plenty??...will it make me a billionare??
Jegdish, I can't say for sure whether you will become a billionaire.Your chart reflects you will have a very net worth.

dhan yogas are there-

1st and 2nd Lord conjunctions in 11th house.

5th Lord conjunction with 1st and 2nd lord.

Besides, cluster of planets in 11th house makes this house stronger.

Hope you now understood this.
Also, how will be my 3rd and 6th lord Mercury MD gng to be??
You are thinking too far. Saturn dasha can take you far in His own dasha.
Brilliant...So this is the effect of Parivarana??..My Saturn/Venus starts this October as per topocentric calculations??
Is there a chance to win an lottery ..One of the astrolger in madurai said, I will build a very big bungalow during saturn/venus, is it true?? I dont know why he said that and that too pin pointing bungalow ..
Yes parivartan and well placed.

I don't use topcentric calculations. I am not aware of this concept.

Maybe you can but these days he can mean investing in a good flat or buying a land. It is upto you.

Since you are learning astrology, does the events in your life match with vishomttari dasha?
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Anuradha ji,
Now see you have chosen the name for LOVA as '' Aimless''. Now got it. It will change your KL also. regards
i am sorry i didnt get that , my LOVA is aimless, but how does it change my KL ?
you mean moon makes me aimless ??
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Ket,

I will stick to my belief that prayers and mantras are done to help one speed up the development of soul to become closer with God.

What miseries will get lessen? what is the point of remedies if they can't change your destiny.

Let me answer how praying to God reduces miseries? After chanting mantras, you feel peace of mind but it is temporary. But it is not God who gave you peace of mind. You got peace because you detached your mind from miseries and fully focused on chanting.The same temporary peace can be had after having discussions with psychotherapists or engaging oneself in productive activities.

If you want to know the best remedies, then it is acceptance of your situation and secondly, making your mind strong enough to deal with any kinds of tough situations.
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The reason I am sceptical about remedies working is because I have heard from many, who have done remedies that they don't work. I am yet to find a person, for whom remedies worked. Even in this forum we get to see so many people talking about remedies not working for them. Now there is another point to it: suppose if remedies work, why doesn't it work for everyone?

Coming to the mantras, I agree with Deeps that it's just for peace of mind and for distracting oneself from his suffering. People pray to God for the same reason. But those who don't believe in remedies working, they distract themselves by chatting with friends, watching television/movies, reading books, etc. Otherwise, it's not like this that praying to God will change one's destiny. I know of many people, who have stopped praying to God realizing this that He will not help and destiny has to be accepted.

I fully agree with Deeps that one has to accept his situation and make his mind strong.
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Coming to the mantras, I agree with Deeps that it's just for peace of mind and distracting oneself from his suffering. People pray to God for the same reason. But those who don't believe in remedies working, they distract themselves by chatting with friends, watching television/movies, reading books, etc. Otherwise, it's not like this that praying to God will change one's destiny. I know of many people who have stopped praying to God realizing this that He will not help and destiny has to be accepted.

I fully agree with Deeps that one has to accept his situation and make his mind strong.
Thanks and your thought on remedies are absolutely correct. :)
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Yellow ji,
Rahu is not your AK as correctly stated by Anuradha ji. But keeping that point aside, Rahu in the 12th house shows travelling, and it is to be taken literally, not figuratively. You didn't travel in the Rahu period, which is quite amazing, I must say. But it maybe is because all your planets, except Rahu and Ketu, are in fixed signs, and fixed signs don't indicate travelling, but remaining in one place. That could be the reason Rahu didn't allow you to travel. So many planets in the fixed sign also means you are stubborn and firm in your beliefs.
hmmm...ok ...yes i am a inflexible and firm in a way.
From your writing it seems that you did do some work in the Rahu period, even though it didn't bring you much success. Would be glad if you confirm that. Thinking so many planets in the 10th house didn't make you work at all was what had surprised me. Now, if you have worked then, it makes sense that Rahu didn't let you succeed in that. Lagna lord in the 10th house shows that making a career is very important for you--it's one of the prime focuses of your life.
yes, as i have mentioned in my earlier rahu feedback posts, i worked in a pvt ltd (way below what i had expected) for 1.5 yrs approx. then i tried doing a business but could not run it more than a year .
well, i was very career oriented and highly ambitious , but not anymore. i have made peace with the fact that i will never get a job, i am not being negative here, just i have accepted this fact. i dnt know if business will happen. only time can tell.

I also see that there is a strong influence of Mars, which has made a ruchaka yoga, on your ascendant, on your Moon and also on your Saturn, and the other planets in the 10th house, making all the planets aspected by Mars. Your chart is a Mars dominated one. I wouldn't be surprised if you are a mini dictator in life. Mars dominated people are very confident, very bold, very aggressive, dominating, ill tempered. So do you have these traits in you? But Moon exalted in ascendant makes you to some extent emotional and sensitive, too, maybe, but not much as Mars has taken over the show in your chart.
I am glad that I could explain it this time to you, as I find it difficult to explain a lot of times, what I feel about the concept of rebirth and the law of karma. If you think of yourself as the soul, then it's perfectly all right to think about past life karma and free will, but normally people don't think that way, and that's why I wrote what I wrote in my explanation.[/quote]

yes i am all of this, in one of my posts to Deeps ji, i had compared my swa grahi mars (vrischik) in the 7th house , with Hitler's swa grahi mars (aries) in the 7th house :mrgreen: now i wud like to believe that i am not so bad bcoz if i get angry i stop talking to that person and can be very cold towards him/her , but i remove that anger on myself ! i am a disciplinary n strict but again mostly i use these rules more so with my own self ... else i have a live and let live attitude towards others...yes i am very sensitive , i can cry a the drop of a hat, which others find unnessesary but i am learning to channelise my energies in the right way now ...earlier i was very impulsive , but i will not call my self brash , maybe moon gives me finesse and elegance in some ways ...hehe...infact i admire ppl with sophistication and etiquettes , lots of grace and mannerism, and i also try emuulating the same :)

i love myself when i am confident (bt then who doesnt like it ?? :lol: ) but cant relate with my "lesser confidence self" (which i am stuck with since two three yrs now )
"All that we are, is a result of what we have thought"--Gautum Buddha
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Members,

i have a family friend whose marriage getting delayed...

14/3/1981
17:40
mumbai

plz suggest when can marriage happen ? why is it getting sooo delayed...they have tried every possible remedy but nothing is working.
"All that we are, is a result of what we have thought"--Gautum Buddha
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hi deeps
hru?
here it goes one of your predictions coming true

virgo lagan jup and saturn in lagan
moon venus in second house
sun mercury in third house
mars in fourth
ketu in fifth
rahu in eleventh
moon in swati nakshatra
mercury darakarka
right now running saturn -rahu
got married in march ,wife is charming,in-laws are rich as predicted by u.

thanks
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hi
i had seen chara dasha here mercury is in leo in navamsha and he was running sagi-aquarius when he got married .
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Anuradha ji,

Now see you have chosen the name for LOVA as '' Aimless''. Now got it. It will change your KL also. regards


i am sorry i didnt get that , my LOVA is aimless, but how does it change my KL ?
you mean moon makes me aimless ??
"All that we are, is a result of what we have
Moon is moody and emotional so :) clearly depicting in'' Aimless''. Actually if Moon is the Ak the person usually is brilliant and try to adapt in any situation.regards
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Yellow:
How do you know it's me, Basab? But you can address me with my real name if you don't like to call me Yellow.

In chemistry, IR spectral data of each compound is different however close their chemical structure is. So similarly Basab alone can write like Basab, others can be close but not the same. So changing names to yellow, green etc will not change the person.
By the way yellow has been my most favourite color. My mother used to do excellent drawing and she used to ask me for colour I always used to select yellow and she used to tell me you always select the insolvent color.

Well, I agree with you that one should say that it is his personal belief than say that it is the truth as no one other than enlightened saints know what the truth is.
Yes, that is true, I get angry when people make sweeping statements. Whether it be music, chemistry, astrology or spirituality, I would definitely not agree when I cannot.

Well, it's very obvious in this case that the first person is wrong because all girls are never like that; or else, the other person would not be having a good wife. And then, the person who has had divorce twice should also realize that as he will see around him many successful couples who are enjoying marital bliss.
True

Again here, if we think deeply, if a person gets everything after putting his best efforts, he should still not believe it is his free will, if seen logically--though he has every right to believe in what he wants to believe--because even though his efforts has got paid, he will definitely get to see hundreds around him for whom it isn't so, and it if he is a sensible person, he will start wondering why it is so, and this thought will definitely come in his mind that maybe his efforts got paid because he was destined to get success.
Yes, but most people in this world concludes from what he sees and not from what he has seen with others His own experience seems everything for him.

How can both be right? If 2+2=4, it should be so always and not sometimes. Pariharas working sometimes and not working sometimes means that it's not something, which works for all, and when it doesn't work for all, a doubt will come in any logical person's mind on what the conditions are which makes it work in some case and not work in others. And one of the answers that will come to them is this: it's also fated whether a remedy will work for a person or not.
No what I meant was pariharas work when your luck factor is good and if not they dont. When it works u call it u used ur free will and say it works though it may be already fated freewill In other case, he calls it fate.

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