Child Birth Issue

[astrorao]

Dear Shrikanth Sir and other,

Could you please analyze the below chart for child birth.

DOB: 08-10(OCT)-1972
TOB: 15:15
POB: Guntur,A.P,India (80 E 27, 16 N 18)

He got married 10 years back and no child till now.

Is there a promise in that chart for progeny?

[astroboy]

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[astrorao]

Dear Deepak Ji..

I'm extremely sorry for the time..
It is 3:15 AM

I'll get his wife's birth data also soon.

[astroboy]

you got to be kidding me. Do you know how long it takes to analyse a chart? do you know what trouble it is to put up an image? you people really dont deserve to get an analysis. Keep the wife's horoscope to yourself Dont take the trouble to get it here. I dont need to see it. For all I know, you will come back 9 months later and say that the year of birth is wrong.

[astrorao]

Mr. Atsro Boy or Deepak..

Mind Your Language..

Human error can happen with any one ..and I said sorry for that also.. That too it is not my chart.

The main problem with these so called psedo-astrologers.. they don't have etiquette..

This devine knowledge is some times lying in the hands of people who didn't deserve it..

It is an open forum.. and no one force you to analyze or do readings...

[astroboy]

by astrorao » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:39 pm
Dear Shrikanth Sir and other,
Could you please analyze the below chart for child birth.
DOB: 08-10(OCT)-1972
TOB: 15:15
POB: Guntur,A.P,India (80 E 27, 16 N 18)
He got married 10 years back and no child till now.
Is there a promise in that chart for progeny?

by astrorao » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:12 pm
Dear Deepak Ji..
I'm extremely sorry for the time..
It is 3:15 AM
I'll get his wife's birth data also soon.

by astrorao » Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:20 pm
Mr. Atsro Boy or Deepak..
Mind Your Language..
Human error can happen with any one ..and I said sorry for that also.. That too it is not my chart.
The main problem with these so called psedo-astrologers.. they don't have etiquette..
This devine knowledge is some times lying in the hands of people who didn't deserve it..
It is an open forum.. and no one force you to analyze or do readings...

Human error? Human error? seriously? if i gave you a wrong analysis and if my predictions went wrong, what would you do to me?.

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You come here with the wrong data, You dont even know what the right T.O.B. is, and yet you try and defend yourself. What a joke.

[shilpa]

you got to be fricking kidding me. Do you know how long it takes to analyse a chart? do you know what trouble it is to put up an image? F&^k it, you people really dont deserve to get an analysis. Keep the wife's horoscope to yourself Dont take the trouble to get it here. I dont need to see it. For all I know, you will come back 9 months later and say that the year of birth is wrong.

dear all,
please manitain calm when using written words.
Thx

[shilpa]

by astrorao » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:39 pm
Dear Shrikanth Sir and other,
Could you please analyze the below chart for child birth.
DOB: 08-10(OCT)-1972
TOB: 15:15
POB: Guntur,A.P,India (80 E 27, 16 N 18)
He got married 10 years back and no child till now.
Is there a promise in that chart for progeny?

by astrorao » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:12 pm
Dear Deepak Ji..
I'm extremely sorry for the time..
It is 3:15 AM
I'll get his wife's birth data also soon.

by astrorao » Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:20 pm
Mr. Atsro Boy or Deepak..
Mind Your Language..
Human error can happen with any one ..and I said sorry for that also.. That too it is not my chart.
The main problem with these so called psedo-astrologers.. they don't have etiquette..
This devine knowledge is some times lying in the hands of people who didn't deserve it..
It is an open forum.. and no one force you to analyze or do readings...

Human error? Human error? seriously? if i gave you a wrong analysis and if my predictions went wrong, what would you do to me?.

Learn to treat astrologers properly you idiot. If you say that we on the forum are "So called" (You don't even have a clue of what you are writing do you?) "Psedo-astrologers" then why did you come on this forum with a query? If you think you know everything then why are you here? analyse the chart yourself.

You come here with the wrong data, You dont even know what the right T.O.B. is, and yet you try and defend yourself. What a joke.

what you need is a hand party and a happy ending. that is all you are fit for. Dont you dare try to defend yourself. You got the wrong candidate to screw around with. The rest keep quiet but I will not. dont defend your mistake. You end up looking like a sore loser.

Dear friend,
Please keep the language in line with forum's decorum.

regards

[shilpa]

Mr. Atsro Boy or Deepak..

Mind Your Language..

Human error can happen with any one ..and I said sorry for that also.. That too it is not my chart.

The main problem with these so called psedo-astrologers.. they don't have etiquette..

This devine knowledge is some times lying in the hands of people who didn't deserve it..

It is an open forum.. and no one force you to analyze or do readings...

dear friend,
please do not engage in direct off topic statements.
you have apologized.......well done and move one.
Complains if any should ne sent in PM to mods or admins.

Thanks for your help in mainitaining the decorum.

regards

[shilpa]

Re: Child Birth Issue
by astroboy » 240812

you got to be fricking kidding me. Do you know how long it takes to analyse a chart? do you know what trouble it is to put up an image? F&^k it, you people really dont deserve to get an analysis. Keep the wife's horoscope to yourself Dont take the trouble to get it here. I dont need to see it. For all I know, you will come back 9 months later and say that the year of birth is wrong.

True, I agree.

Hello,
Please do not take sides when there is a conflict......it can have an adding fuel to fire effect...so please refrain.
thx

[Dev]

I am writing in general and not to hurt anyone.

Astroboy has been doing immense service to astrology and has been responding to queries in this open forum. So have others like Khoo, Ramanan, Shilpa, swamycool, Anu, Deep and several others. In fact, they may not have astrology as their profession but may be they are even more dedicated to astrology than the professional ones since they dont take money. So we should be careful when we give the birth data and should also be thankful to those who analyse giving their time for free for our sake.
Astrologers are doing the reading only to help others for free and we should understand that and be thankful to them and not find fault with them. In fact so many have benefited and learnt astrology from the discussions here by these experts, so we should never forget that

Also if you give the wrong data to a professional astrologer, he will never get angry at you, that is very true, after he analyses the wrong birth data, if you say sorry and give correct data, he would say, no problem sir and do that also, at the end you would ask him for charges, he would say, 500 rupees for one, since u gave wrong chart, 1000 rupees and there ends the matter, you gave him business and so he will be internally happy for your fault.

Dev

[astroboy]

Shilpa ji,

i kept my cool here,

http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... 18&t=16824

Then it happens to me again.

These people make us look like fools and take us for granted. Yes I am angry, and yes, I have crossed the line. Only you know how much it takes to analyse a chart. I hope you understand. I have analysed enough number of horoscopes on this forum. I dont expect a pat on my back. Nor do I want a feed back. But the least I ask, is that people come here with the right intention, the right data, and if they want, the right feedback.

That is all I ask.

By the way, For once, you have been fair to me. Thank you, and that thank you is from my heart.

[astrorao]

ShilpaJi,

Thanks once again.

I'm not against any individual here and all are contributing voluntarily either with their own interest or to serve people or to learn..

It doesn't mean that one can use any foul language...in an open forum. Is he got a special previlage to use such a language in this forum..

Dev Sir,

A person having good knowledge in astrology does not mean that he can use foul and filthy language.. I do appreciate Astroboy's good work here... but an educated person who really has vedic wisdom will never be some one like a priest who is using vulgar language before GOD in the mandir instead of chanting..
Vedic Wisdom is nothing but SARASWATHI.. God given gift. If it is polluted with such mouths , more people will loose trust on the subject and real astrologers.

It is vedic knowledge.. and if a person is not having minimum etiquitte, there is no meaning and use of that knowledge to the man kind.

Please donot encourage to use foul and filthy language where the mouth should pronounce Vedic Knowledge.

[Dev]

Dev Sir,
A person having good knowledge in astrology does not mean that he can use foul and filthy language.. I do appreciate Astroboy's good work here... but an educated person who really has vedic wisdom will never be some one like a priest who is using vulgar language before GOD in the mandir instead of chanting..
Vedic Wisdom is nothing but SARASWATHI.. God given gift. If it is polluted with such mouths , more people will loose trust on the subject and real astrologers.
It is vedic knowledge.. and if a person is not having minimum etiquitte, there is no meaning and use of that knowledge to the man kind.
Please donot encourage to use foul and filthy language where the mouth should pronounce Vedic Knowledge.

Astrorao:
I am not encouraging use of bad words at all and it is definitely wrong. But what I want to say is that he is truely devoted to astrology and gives no less than 100% concentration towards it. In fact only due to his interests towards astrology and intention to help, he would have taken up the details and analysed as soon as you posted. Anyway the dates were changed and since he spent time, he got angry but then use of bad words is not right in the public forum.
I agree fully that Vedic Wisdom is nothing but SARASWATHI..
So I support his astrology and his skills only.

Dev

[astroboy]

Astro Rao, I am glad that my usage of bad language has made you remember Ma Saraswati. If you had thought of her before you first posted here, then we would not be taking this thread this long without any astrological input. If my duty as an astrologer is to not use foul language, then it is your duty as a queriest to provide the astrologer with the correct data and inputs. There is a code of conduct for the queriest, just as there is a code of conduct for Astrologers. Astrology is only as good as the correct data. Do you know how embarassing it is to analyse a horoscope and then realise that you have the wrong data? Look at your cavalier attitude with which you presented the data, and now in defending yourself. It was easy for you to say "sorry" and give me new data. had I not created such a ruckus this would have been just another casual day to day occurrence. I am glad a few foul words woke this forum and the users up.

By the way, I was nice to you because You have used the name "Rao", which is also the name of my Guru. Had that not been the case, my language would have been different.

[astrorao]

Astroboy,

It is good that you realizeed about using bad language.

I do agree that I have posted wrong data and then apologized. You have got every right to become angy as you have spent your valuable time on that chart. But the only concern is expressing that anger using a foul language and at the same time putting over confidence that whole forum members will encourage you for your foul language.

In an open forum, using bad language is not appreciable for an expert astrologer or a student astroger or a queriest.

Don't take advantage of Sri KN Rao Sir name and don't misuse his name. Just taking weekend classes at Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan will not make one as his student when one is not able to follow his values.
He is a true Brahmin with Satvik Guna. He spent whole his life on astrology from childhood onwards learning it from his Mother.

We people might have started learning astrology 5 years back or decade back or few years back. A true astrologer will have knowledge with values.

Respect for any person will not get by demand. Even an uneducated person with high knowledge on any subject with right attitude will get respect even from a Scholar.

[astroboy]

by astrorao » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:03 am
Don't take advantage of Sri KN Rao Sir name and don't misuse his name. Just taking weekend classes at Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan will not make one as his student when one is not able to follow his values.
He is a true Brahmin with Satvik Guna. He spent whole his life on astrology from childhood onwards learning it from his Mother.

First of all, I am not a student of K.N.Rao ji at all, nor have I stepped foot into Bharatiya Vidhya Bhavan, nor do I have any intention to.

You make it look like there are only two people with "Rao" for their name. You, and Mr K.N.Rao. I am talking about my Guru,"P.S.Rao" and not K.N.Rao.

[shilpa]

Dear astrrorao,

On the subject of your questions.....I do not see much problem with the Rasichart.

--Saptamsa does have putrakarak Jupiter debilitated and 5th lord shani severely afflicted by conjunction with Mars in the 8th.

--and the 7th lord os sexual potency in saptamsa is Mars afflicted by conjunction with Shani teh enemy and the enunch...aghain in the 8th house.

--I do believe with appeasement of Jupiter and shani...and after Jul 2013 when Jup transits into Gemini...aspecting the 5th house of Rasi and saptamsa....the period will be conducive.

shani-mangalconjunction in D7 does indicate possibility for surgical / artifical intervention


--wife's data will help.

--The strength of Rasi chat confirms the progeny is not denied...delayed and perhaps riddent with surgical intervnetions.

Regards

[astrorao]

Dear ShilpaJi,

Thanks for your response.

Initially I though Ju in 5th Bhava with Ra may be the reason.(Karako Bhava Nashaya concept). Some people have told me that Ju in 5th House means.. definetly one son will be there. I don't know how far this dictim is true.

But J Hora confirms Bheri Yoga,Brahma Yoga in D-7 which will give promise for progeny.

Currently I didn't have the native's wife chart.. I'll try to get it .

[astroboy]

by Shrikanth » Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:23 am
To give you an example - There have been cases where I have personally incorrectly mistyped data or switched AM/PM and given predictions and clients have reverted back to indicate my folly. The clients have always been gracious in highlight my errors and I have always appreciated their benevolence.

Dear Shrikanth,
You must have been lucky to get such clients / queriests who are gracious in highlighting your errors. Not everyone is so lucky. I wonder if Astro Rao would have been so forgiving if I had given him a wrong analysis.

Yes mistakes happen from the astrologers part. Unlike the queriest, we have so many parameters and settings to take care of, let alone the AM/PM factor. Most errors occur due to the wrong Lat and Long being entered, because we have multiple places with the same name. People are so lazy that they dont even bother to enclose the correct Latitude an longitude along with their birth data. But comming to think of it, Its too much to ask of them because, they dont even bother to enclose the correct Date and time of birth in the first place. Asking them to enclose the Latitude and Longitude would be asking for a Miracle would the queriest be so forgiving if we were to go wrong? I really wonder.

This is not the first time this has happened to me, and this is not going to be the last. In the last week itself, this is the third such instance, where i was forced to delete my analysis after the queriest came back and told me that they had prvided the wrong data. In my 6000 posts, and two years, I cannot recollect how many times this might have happened. I never raised my voice to date. There is a limit for everything. Yes I vented out my frustration, and yes I used foul language. May be this post was my bursting point. But I am glad that it has had its effect. Finally.

In hindsight my frustration was not because i wasted my time on the analysis, nor that it was a waste of my effort, it was the due to the sheer negligence of the queriest in providing the data. If there is decorum to be maintained by an astrologer, there is also a set of rules to be maintained by the Queriest.

Dev ji said it best,

by Dev » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:14 pm
if you give the wrong data to a professional astrologer, he will never get angry at you, that is very true, after he analyses the wrong birth data, if you say sorry and give correct data, he would say, no problem sir and do that also, at the end you would ask him for charges, he would say, 500 rupees for one, since u gave wrong chart, 1000 rupees and there ends the matter, you gave him business and so he will be internally happy for your fault.

Believe me Shrikanth Ji, people take us for granted because it is a free forum. I have realised today that when things are dished out free, there is no value. Its a shame.

I have removed the word, I am sure the rest of the matter is in sync with the rules of the forum,

you got to be kidding me. Do you know how long it takes to analyse a chart? do you know what trouble it is to put up an image? you people really dont deserve to get an analysis. Keep the wife's horoscope to yourself Dont take the trouble to get it here. I dont need to see it. For all I know, you will come back 9 months later and say that the year of birth is wrong.

[astroboy]

Dear Shrikanth ji,

A friend of mine, who is a doctor, and an avid astrologer made a casual comment, sometime ago. She said,

"People would rather forgive a doctor for his mistakes even if the patient dies due to doctor's negligence while administering a course of treatment. Not only will the relatives of the victim take the body home without much fuss, they will also have to pay all the charges that the hospital bills them before they can get the body released.
But, there is no such luck for the astrologer is there?. One wrong prediction, and not only will his name be Maligned, the science will also be dissed and ridiculed as well."

I thought she was kidding me, but these lines came true when this happened,

http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?new ... tid=340733

All the ruckus that the doctors had been negligent was created by the people who have nothing to do either with the Family or her friends. I attended the funeral, (The lady is known to me. I deal with the company she worked with) and being the curious cat that I am, I hung around to listen to the comments of the family. At one point, a close relative of her's made the following comment.

"It was her fate,(Karma) what can we do. who is going to fight with the doctors now. what has happened has happened. If tomorrow, I fall sick, I will have to go to the same doctors for help."

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Now that is what I call accepting "what is". Will the same courtesy be extended to an astrologer? I leave it for you to ponder.

[Humannature]

http://insurance.about.com/od/HealthIns ... h-Year.htm

I wonder how many astrologers are sued till date.
it's not fair to over react and exaggerate things just to justify one's position.

[astroboy]

by Humannature » Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:46 am
I wonder how many astrologers are sued till date.
it's not fair to over react and exaggerate things just to justify one's position.

Ever heard of a term called "medical malpractice, and professional liability insurance". The beauty of this little scheme is that, doctors and Hospitals hike up the costs of services to cover the premium, and it is the patient who ends up paying the price for the premium. The link to the article you have given, states that 1 out of 14 doctors face a malpractice suit, but they lose only 22 Pct of the time. Does that not tell you something?

When I wrote my previous post, It was about "Vedic astrology" as practiced in India, and Medicine as practiced In India. I am well aware that Mal practice suits against doctors abroad are common. How many Doctors are sued for malpractice in India, and how many lose? The question of suing a astrologer for a wrong prediction does not arise since it is a probabilistic science. Elements like Propitiation of the Grahas, Remedies, and most of all, The ""Free will" of the queriest and his Kriyamana Karmas can change the Prediction drastically. Your question asking me ""how many astrologers are sued?"" goes to show your negative Bias towards Astrology.

See what the right Remedies and Prayers can do,
http://lightonvedicastrology.com/dailyj ... 092407.htm

By the way,

K.N.Rao ji on Doctors and Astrologers..JPG

Who is "overreacting and exaggerating" things now?

[Humannature]

Astroboy ji,
As you say yourslef, astrology is a probabilistic science and elements like Propitiation of the Grahas, Remedies, and most of all, The ""Free will" of the queriest and his Kriyamana Karmas can change the Prediction drastically.
Then why worry so much about people insulting and not forgiving the astrologer when all the above are already being mentioned as a clause?
So why compare astrologers to doctors?

Of the 118,000+ posts here if at least 30 % are for readings, agreed that lot of people don't come back and give feedback but even before answering the query, to clarify, the astrlogers describe the person or give some timeframes of the past events. Most of them are inaccurate.

I have seen people come back to give good feedback...but from the time I joined no one ever, on open forum, insulted an astrologer saying his prediction was wrong because we know that people are being very generous with us sparing a lot of time and helping us out when we are in need.

So shouldn't we give some credit to our own people?

((((((I still have great respect to the one person here who responded to me first when no one else did..even though he was not able to login to the forum because of technical reasons, he had someone else contact me and gave his details so i could email him directly and get answer immediately without judging me or my situation even before I started. That shows some people really care while others answer for whatever reasons! )))))

So till date I haven't seen many people who seek readings on this forum come back and insult or defame the astrologer. On the contrary many astrologers themselves insult each other arguing over who knows more!

But anyways, may be you are right in your own thinking.

Thanks.

[Dev]

Humannature:

In the present days, there are as many inefficient doctors as there are astrologers. Even medical field has become probabilistic science for them since they are not good enough,
Many heart attacks lead to death and they are unable to save those lives.
So many other cases we see day to day.
The father of a friend of mine went to an ENT for this throat problems, he was unable to swallow, he was given vitamin tablets for almost 6 months with no improvement at all. Finally he went to a general physician who could also not treat him and finally he was diagnosed of throat cancer and died within a month. His condition deteriorated so fast that if he were diagnosed earlier, something could have been done atleast to prolong his lifetime.
A lady was operated for her left brain instead of the right in the US.
So many famous hospitals have a bad reputation and people say, if you get in there you are sure not to come back alive.
Some doctors even say, we did our best and the rest is in the hands of God. Then the patient's relatives rush to the astrologer if he would survive? If the person has a good horoscope and the astrologer is efficient, then the patient survices and the belief in astrology increases manyfold in the person's mind.

So efficient doctors are very few in number and in terms of percentage.

Unfortunately we cannot tell them anything because even for a normal case, if they say some technical term and say we will try our best to save the patient and if the patient dies, they can give excuse by using technical terms that we may not be aware of.

In astrology too many bogus ones are there and since the common people may not know anything about astrology, they would simply say something like mars aspects saturn and so you have problems and so on.

In atleast areas like education, medical field, lawyers, teachers, only when meritorious people are selected irrespective of caste, religion, politics etc, will the situation improve.

In astrology, wrong prediction can irritate a person.
But in medical field, if the person is dead, the relatives may have no clue and the doctor may escape unhurt.

Dev