Graha Performing Tasks for Bhaava

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

Mahararishi Parashara explains which Grahas perform the tasks for each Bhaava in our horoscopes.

Below is the information in a summarised table form.

The following is a blog contributed by Sanjay Prabhakaran :

[quote]

Kaala Purusha | Bhava From Kaaraka | Bhaava's Kaaraka| YogaKaaraka/Co-Worker |

1st House Mars Moon Sun
2nd House Venus Moon Jupiter
3rd House Mercury Mars Mars
4th House Moon Moon Moon
5th House Sun Jupiter Jupiter
6th House Mercury Mercury Mars
7th House Venus Venus Venus
8th House Mars Saturn Saturn
9th House Jupiter Sun,Moon Jupiter
10th Hous Saturn Sun Mercury
11th House Saturn Sun,Moon Jupiter
12th House Jupiter Saturn Saturn

Here is a brief explanation of each,

1) Kaala Purusha is time incarnate, He gives the results of Karma. For example, All activities done to Lagna it's fruit is given by Mars. Hence makes you strong. Another example is all activities done to 2nd house gives you results thru Venus, Hence gives you good spouse and comforts. The activities done to maintain a good family is reaped thru Kala Purusha 2nd Lord. Like all karma 10th house work, All hard work done gives the fruit thru a beneficial saturn, similarly everything we take (11th) from others the fruit is given thru Saturn or Rahu(natural 11th lord).

2) Bhaava's from Kaaraka:Every kaaraka blesses us with something, the houses counted from Kaaraka (doer) shows what blessings we get from each kaaraka, Like 4th from moon gets us the mother, Lagna/self/1st house is gift of mother, hence 1st from moon is what we get from mother, The 6th from mercury gives us good relatives and thus reduces enmity, the 6th from mercury is gives us strength.

3) Bhaava's kaaraka: Counted from lagna, Each house upliftment is taken care by a graha, For example, The body is made for the soul (Sun), Hence Sun takes care of upliftment of the soul, 2nd from Lagna is controlled by Jupiter, It controls the qualtity we eat and benevolent nature towards the family, etc

Now, The lords from lagna will indicate how the individual is varying from the above precepts. declare good or bad knowing the above precepts.

[unquote]

Here are some points which would lead to interesting results :

(1) Kaala Purusha is the natural ruler of the house and Bhaava from Kaaraka is the significator (note that only the main signficator is considered by the author in the table above). In my earlier blog I mentioned that the significator and the natural ruler if placed in the same house (in the example cited it was Jupiter and Saturn) the significator is stronger and I said that the significator usually makes use of their Argala Houses more strongly. From the above description, you can see it is true.

(2) The list of Bhaavas from Kaaraka is 1, 2, 3, 4, ……, n, n+1, n+2, ….., 12 counted in an anti-clockwise direction. For lack of a better term, the author has called the role of the planet performing this function (the third column of the table above) “Bhaava from Kaarakaâ€

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

In the example above when I talked about my mother, Mars being the 4th to my Moon shows the kind of mother I am given. But the gift from my mother is the 1st to the Moon so like I mentioned she is the source of my intelligence because Moon is also the Lagna Lord. That is her first gift to me.

The other gift my mother gives to me can be interpreted from my chart is Saturn which is together with my Moon in the 7th. Saturn is an independent planet. It is very democratic (unlike Sun or Jupiter). So my mother lets me do whatever I want. This is the other gift she gives to me. She lets me decide on my own affairs.

(Note that when I described Mars above about my mother wanting me to stand on my own two feet, that was more of a description of her, a mother given to me by heaven. But for the actual gift, you have to look at the planets with the Moon in the same house, in this case Saturn and of course the Moon itself).

Just wanted to clarify this point.

Thanks.

Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

So far we have not talked about sign rulership in this post.

(Except when we talk about breaking of ties for Saturn on the house where it is placed which to a certain extent is outside the context of this post).

One way to bring in sign rulership into the pictue is to consier the house ruler for the Bhaava from Kaaraka. So let's say take the 6th House from Mercury. This gives us good relatives to overcome our enemies.

In my chart, Mercury is in 11th so my 6th to Mercury is the 4th. I have a Cancer Ascendant and so Libra falls on my 4th House. Venus thus rules the House (6th from Mercury which is also the 4th from Lagna) on how I can overcome my enemies. The 4th House are my closed ones and Venus falls in my 1st House. So my closed ones have my interest at heart and they always advise me on dealing with enemies. But because my Venus is weak in the house where Rahu is also in, as explained in the post, the advice is usually passive and does not deal directly with the situation. My support from my relatives is NOT that effective (although it may be but I do not conisder so because Rahu always wants MORE including dealing MORE effectively with enemies). My Rahu is with Venus together in the 1st.

Hope the above give you further insight on how te post can be extended to involved sign rulerships.

Thanks.

Hock Leong

Rama and Rajitha - I will get back to you over the weekends either this weekend or the following weekend.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Rajitha

As I have mentioned in this blog and previous blogs, I have considered all the possible points why Saturn is considered good or bad for the house it is placed and the house next to it. I have weighed the points and said that generally it is bad unless there is some overriding factors. I also said that if there is a tie between good or bad factors, signs can be used to break ties. How the sign would be used is the placement of Saturn in the sign and whether it is ruling the house next to it. Also we have to consider whether the next house after where Saturn is placed is a Dusthana or not. The house where Saturn is placed also we have to conisder whether it is a Dusthana or not. Last, but not least, we have to consider whether the house Saturn is placed is classified as a Patya house for Saturn WITH RESPECT TO LAGNA ie. a gold classification or not etc.

But generally because Saturn assumes a Maraka Karana Sthana in the house it is placed (if one take that house as the 1st house with respect to Saturn) and for the next house, Saturn also gives bad effects because being in the house before it, it becomes a significator as the 12th house to the NEXT HOUSE and also being placed there.

The protection which you mentioned which Saturn gives to a house is more the 8th house from Saturn and the 12th house from Saturn in the context of this post.

And of course don't forget Saturn is a natural malefic.

That is why I said that Saturn usually is bad for the house it is placed and the one next to it. The protection you mention is because Saturn is the natural significator of the 10th and it keeps track of all the karmic debts which the person has done to society or society done to him. In that sense, Saturn is a hard task master but always protect the house it is in PROVIDED THE PERSON IS ABOVE BOARD.

Let's take your Saturn in the 1st house. Although it is in Maraka Karana Sthana (doubly because it is the 1st house with resepct to lagna and also the 1st house to where Saturn is placed), it is also Saturn's Patya golden house. So it is good. It is 12th to the 2nd so the person is always conscious of his appearance and very fussy about his clothings. You are also not generous in the dinner table (12th to the 2nd). People with Saturn in the 1st always believe that everyone should fend for themselves.

But Saturn in 1st makes full aspects to the 10th, the 3rd (which is good for the mind according to the classics), to the 7th and the 8th. As mentioned in one of my earlier posts, this person makes a good strategist and also is a diplomatic person (for Cancer Ascendant Saturn rules the 7th and 8th to Lagna) - in your case with Jupiter in the 9th retrogading, it applies to you even more. I have experience with interacting with people with Saturn in the 1st, and they generally make very good friends PROVIDED YOU ARE CLOSE TO THEM. So experience also plays a part in any astrological analysis.

And of course you are a tiger by the Chinese Zodiac and you are the only one who questions a lot in the forum - all tigers do that! (I am a tiger as well but a WATER TIGER - the mildest of the lot).

You should watch out for your 12th house and 8th house as these are auspicous in your chart. They are the 12th to Saturn and 8th to Saturn respectively and they give enlightenment and fruits of hard work respectively in the context of this post.

(No wonder you keep defending Saturn since Saturn is posited in such an important area of your chart. Jupiter trining it from the 9th gives you good executive ability).

Thanks.

Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Rajitha

I use the term "watch out" but that paragraph I am talking about Sauturn's auspicious places. I should have used the neutral term "take note". This comes from having too high a Mercury Shadbala having the need to get rid of my thoughts onto paper.

The 8th place to where Saturn is placed in your chart is where you get your results after putting the requisite hard work and effort. In your case it is the 8th house to Lagna so it would be things like research, astrology, insurance or financial planning (eg. having an intense discussion with your financial planner and won't budge an inch) or anything which you pursue intensely (like now!!).

The 12th to Saturn is where you get enlightenment. In your chart it is the 12th to Lagna. You seek spiritual enlightenment with fervour and you get it (based on the standards you want - each person on earth has his own standards for everything on Earth, to analyse what is your standard for enlightenement matters would require a separate detail analysis of your chart).

So from the above it can be seen that when a planet is placed in the Ascendant, the Bhaava from Karaka under that planet's charge and the house from Lagna the temperaments of the two houses match. This would help the indivdual obtain the gifts for that planet concerned even easier.

Yes, Saturn only helps needed people, all the more so if it is placed in the 1st. But Saturn is the one that is free spirit and wandering of all the planets, so whatever good it does it does it does it for the benefit of all people (albeit in a dfferent way from that practised by for example, the Sun, the king, who exercises his rulership). Saturn tends to look at the ground level details and where he cannot help, he would report to the king. The Sun also frequently seeks its advice. However, because these two are enemies, the advice sought may be less than satisfactory so Saturn usually DOES IT ITS OWN WAY IN HELPING OTHERS.

I have not input your birth details to the software yet, so I cannot give a detailed analysis of you. Hence I was unaward that Saturn was your Atmakaraka.

Saturn's Paya positions are claassified as follows (gold being the best) :

Gold - 1st, 6th, 11th

Silver - 2nd, 5th, 9th (I know malefics usually spoil the Dharama houses according to the classics but in Vedic Astrology, you have to weigh the conflicting principles and which takes precedence. In this case, one principle is more general than the other, so we take the more specific principle which is that Saturn is well placed in te 5th and 9th).

Bronze - 3rd, 7th, 10th

Iron - 4th, 8th, 12th (So Saturn in 12th, a person may attain Moksha with some difficulty - better to go for the12th house to where Saturn isn placed - that is why in your chart, enlightenment is easily obtaind unlike most other people). And you have Jupiter's help in the 9th!!

Another thing - Your Saturn being placed from the 5th of Jupiter shows you are a very intelligenet being and you apply your intelligence in Saturn's area eg. concerned with the suffering of people, altruistic needs of socety. (remember jupiter is the bhaava from karaka of the 5th house so we count 5 houses from jupiter to see the gift of your intelligence and because it is placed in lagna, your intelligence is synchronized with your actual mental capacity - lagna rules bodily functions - so that makes you doubly intelligent!). The rulership of lagna being the moon shows how you apply your intelligence to professional matters using intuition. So even though Jupiter helps the Moon to a lesser extent than Jupiter helping the Sun when the Sun is placed in the 10th (remember my earlier post to you), now because of further analysis, it shows Jupiter is a great helper to your Moon in your chart!

Thanks.

Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Rajitha

Oh, and I forgot to add that the houses which gets Jupiter trines get good fortune because of past compassion deeds.

Another factor why you do not waste sympathy on unworthy people (plus the intelligence factor mentione earlier which helps you to discriminate the genuine needy ones from those that are not).

Thanks.

Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

I did not realise that your Lagna is Virgo. I must have got mixed up of my answer to your chart analysis with the post I had for Cancer Ascendant or your query may have been subsumed under that post because you asked your query within that post.

Yes, if Mercury is your Paka Lagna, then in 4th house you would apply your intelligence to 4th house matters. So you are concerned with the overall welfare needs of each individual. Eg. people who do not have a shelter over their heads tugged at your heartstrings. Of course whether you have the means to help them is another separate matter altogether.

Oh, Anupamji is your Guru. No wonder a lot of times in the post I see various members deferring to his judgment or call him for his advice. Even the seasoned ones like P Mahesh etc.

One thing I like about this group is your astrological principles are very tight and precise. The emphasis is on that rather than venturing into many, many theories - too many irons to burn so to speak. The group is also able to differentiate the important principles from the less important ones and stated in very precise English.

Where did I learn my Astrology? Actually I walk, think and interpet mundane affairs everyday in terms of planets. Living in the community of Singapore where people do not believe in Astrology, often times they must be thinking I am a very dreamy person but later do they realize how my mind works.

I get my sources from everywhere. I then do a compare and contrast. It must make sense to me.

Thanks.

Hock Leong

[astro_abc]

Hi Khoo,

Actually some of your discussion is relevant to me. I am a Cancer Ascendant with Saturn(R) in the Asc.

I'm writing this post as personal observation about your analysis, just in case you are interested.

Also - what is more interesting to me is that in the last 4 years, I am slowly but surely and deliberately picking up characteristics that you have described. Some examples below.

You said - "Let's take your Saturn in the 1st house. Although it is in Maraka Karana Sthana (doubly because it is the 1st house with resepct to lagna and also the 1st house to where Saturn is placed), it is also Saturn's Patya golden house. So it is good. It is 12th to the 2nd so the person is always conscious of his appearance and very fussy about his clothings."

My comments - I was never very fussy about my appearance and clothing. But in the last 4 years, my thinking has changed drastically because I believe it plays a vital part in creating a strong personal image.

You said - "But Saturn in 1st makes full aspects to the 10th, the 3rd (which is good for the mind according to the classics), to the 7th and the 8th. As mentioned in one of my earlier posts, this person makes a good strategist and also is a diplomatic person"

My comments - I have always been a fairly good strategist. However I have NEVER been diplomatic and that has been the cause of many of my career setbacks. In the last 4 years, I have consciously adopted a more diplomatic approach.

Question - With Saturn (R) in Asc, Is Saturn still considered to in it's Patya Golden house?

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

Grahas perform better when they are in direct motion. When they retrogade it means their outward manifestation is downplayed. This means the spiritual or internal aspects of the planet is emphasised more than its outward manifestation (which exlains at first why initially you did not place much emphasis on dressing, for example).

Also the person with a retrogade planet does not know how to control its energy. Which explains why initially you had one viewpoint and then after some years, you underwent a 180 degree change of view.

A planet in debilitation if retrograde acts like an exalted one and an exalted planet like a watered down exalted one (it is not debilitated in this second case). The reason: debilitated planets have the potential to be unethical and negative, when they twist around, they start behaving in the opposite manner. So this is a plus point for you.

Thanks.

Hock Leong

[astro_abc]

Thanks for your replies.

Is Saturn debilitated in Cancer? I thought it was debilitated in Aries.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi astro_abc

Oops, yes. I must have read your post too fast. So the portion on debilitation does not apply to you.

Hence overall the retrogression takes away some pluses from the situation when Saturn is not retrogading at all.

Thanks.

Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

That is interesting. This is another dimension of looking at placements. When you say sub-lord you are referring to the padas of the nakshatras?

Any examples you can give to illustrate?

Thanks.

Hock Leong

[Basab]

Hock Leong,

You are doing a wonderful job: sharing your vast knowledge in astrology with all of us here.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Basab

Thanks for the compliment.

Regards

Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

For the benefit of readers, the sub-lord which "chilledout" refers to is for one of the 9 padas which each star (Nakshatra) is divided into in KP Astrology is placed. The 9 padas are not equal in lengh and they are apportioned based on the length of the Dasa of each planet in the Vimshottari System for that particular Graha ruling that Nakshatra.

Another use of the sub-lord is that they can show the inter-links between the houses via the cusps ie. the sub-lord of the degree of the Rashi falling on the cusp of the houses; if these are ruled by one and the same sub-lord, it causes the related houses affairs to occur at the same time once the appropriate portion of the dasa period is activated.

Thanks.

Hock Leong