6 planets conjunct in lagna!! - very unique chart

[DhoomDhoom]

I have come across a very unique chart - the native has 6 planets conjunct in lagna in his rashi chart. The native is an Indian born in England, but currently employed and residing in India. He his good-looking, well-educated and well-earning, but still unmarried at 32. I am lisiting down some bullet points in his life and family. Astrologers in this forum can use his horoscope for their analysis.

1. His father is a retired research scientist and got a number of inventions to his name. He was engaged in his research works both in United Kingdom and India. Mom is a housewife.
2. The native spent his early years in U.K. Now he is a IIM post-grad and employed as Sr. Area Manager in a MNC, supervising West Bengal and Sikkim.
3. His elder brother is mentally retarded.

His birth details: 1st September, 1979; 7:42 am; Grimsby, U.K.

[explorings]

Ahha the classical Shadgraha yoga. For details about this yoga see here: http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... 69#p110573

A very powerful Raj Yoga... however marriage life is spoiled. LL combined with inimical 7L can also indicate self-induced celibacy. If at all this native plans to get married it will be very late and marital distress will be present. Rahu and Ketu are vargottam and are both inimical in this chart and are placed on 1/7 axis.

[Humannature]

Gk, Rahu and Sun are exactly at the same degree. But since Ra is retro that means Rahu travelled 16 deg, but Gk n Sun are at the same degree.
This could be a good case study for P.S.Rao ji's Gk post.

[Humannature]

Explorings,
There are two more combinations in this chart forming Pravrajya yoga (for asceticism) apart from what you said about LL and 7L, together and inimical thus reinforcing what you said.
Thanks

[explorings]

Explorings,
There are two more combinations in this chart forming Pravrajya yoga (for asceticism) apart from what you said about LL and 7L, together and inimical thus reinforcing what you said.
Thanks

HN:

Thanks for opening this topic.

Pravrajya Yoga (also known as Sanyasi or Tapaswi Yoga):
When 4 or more planets possessed of strength occupy the same house then the person becomes a Sanyasi
(More in detail, see here: http://tinyurl.com/86xm8nu)

Although at first, it does seem like a Sanyasi yoga, Rahu cannot be counted here, and at least two planets (Venus and Saturn) in this conjunction are combust. Hence this is not a typical Sanyasi yoga. It is very difficult to find a classical Sanyasi yoga. Pravrajya Yoga can also cause rigorous penance and cause the native to lead a lifestyle in service of others. LL, Sun is strong and vargottam in this conjunction thus indicating a highly intellectual pursuit. Chances of self-induced celibacy may be there as LL, 10L, 7L, and karakas for marriage are involved and the conjunction takes place in 1H. Furthermore, presence of malefic Ketu in 7H may cause complete detachment from partnership. Hence, this chart is more towards self-induced celibacy.

Here are two more charts around the same time with the same conjunction but in different houses:

Chart 1: (Male)
August 30, 1979
12pm
Mumbai

Chart 2: (Female)
Sept 10, 1979
7am
Mumbai

Both the natives have almost similar combinations for pravrajya yoga. Chart 1 has this conjunct in 10H and Chart 2 in 12H.

Both natives are highly qualified doctors, well-settled in a foreign country, married to someone outside the caste/community, and have daughters (Chart 1, one daugther; Chart 2: 2 daughters)

Both of them had love marriage and did not show any indication of celibacy. Both the natives are highly dedicated and demonstrate rigorous practice and penance in serving people (working sometimes for straight 48hrs with just abt 4-5hrs of sleep). Are they celibates... NO! Are they tapaswis... to some extent Yes!

Pravrajya yoga should be studied with extreme care and should not be taken liberally by just seeing conjunction of 4 planets in a single house.

[Humannature]

Hi Explorings,
JHora has two combinations for pravrajya yoga.
One that u mentioned(10th lord in kendra/kona 'with 4 or more other planets') and another as follows :

Lg at the end of a sign with a benefic in it, Jupiter in kendra/kona.
In this chart Lg is at 29, 45' with natural benefics Jupiter/Venus in it.

Regards..

[explorings]

Pravrajya Yoga have many definitions hence it has to be studied carefully. The link explains them well. Thus, one should not jump to any conclusion after seeing 4 or more planets conjunct in 1 sign.


Here are few other indications:
1. Moon and Saturn together in arudha lagna: Renunciation and an austere life

2. Moon and Saturn together aspecting arudha lagna: Inclination to renounce material comforts

3. The 10th lord in a kendra/kona with atleast 4 other planets: Ascetic who attains emancipation

4. Lagna at the end of a sign with a benefic in it, Jupiter in a kendra/kona: An ascetic who attains emancipation

5. Moon in Saturn's drekkana, aspected in rasi by Saturn and Mars: An ascetic

6. Moon in a navamsa of Mars, aspected in rasi by Saturn: An ascetic

7. Moon's dispositor aspected only by Saturn: An ascetic

8. Venus, Saturn and Ketu together or aspecting each other: Tapas (austere pursuit), a dedicated and selfless pursuit

9. Venus, Saturn and Ketu in mutual konas: Tapas (austere pursuit), a dedicated and selfless pursuit

[Humannature]

Ohhhh, ok.

[DhoomDhoom]

Humannature & explorings ji,

I think my own rashi chart qualifies for Pravrajya Yog, only it is formed in 2H and not in a kendra/kona. I have 4 planets conjunct in 2H which doesn't include Rahu/Ketu, none of them are combust and one of them (Mars) is lord of 10H.
Besides, I have Tapaswi Yog in my Navamsha (Venus-Ketu conjunct in lagna & Saturn aspecting them).

I have no intension of renouncing the world or attaining emancipation. I want to settle down in life, but marriage continues to elude me - facing rejection from grooms/their families for years.

My details: 18th June 1980; 7:30 am; Kolkata

Even the person having 6 planets in lagna is showing no signs of self-induced celibacy. He is searching for his life-partner, but things aren't proceeding till marriage since he is estranged from his parents for some years now.

--DhoomDhoom

[milredr]

His birth details: 1st September, 1979; 7:42 am; Grimsby, U.K.

Dhoom i am working on something. Needed feedback from you on the relationship between the father nd son. Also if the father was away from the son while growing up? And he is estranged from his parents for how long now? Would b gr8 if u can let me know.

Thanks

[wipro]

Even I have 5 planets in my second house-in libra-saturn ,sun,pluto, sun, moon and jupiter.Even I'm not that interested in worldly life , does it form any yoga?

[Humannature]

Shrikanth ji,
Does that mean I have no next birth??
My chart satisfies #7.

Can we be liberated if we still have wishes/desires that are yet to be fulfilled?
I was kinda hoping that at least in next life my wish may be fulfilled.

Does this also mean whatever I do in this life, I will get abd karma back instantly since there are no more lives later on?

Thanks.

P.S.
Non-believers please don't laugh, in case you don't believe that it could be possible to predict next lives

[Saindhavi]

In the UK chart posted above -

Venus and Saturn are combust.

Jupiter is in Sandhi.

Rahu and Sun in close proximity can create serious problems for this native, especially because of a malefic Rahu. Combust Saturn adds to this problem.

Not only is the 7th house blocked by a malefic Ketu, but Mars aspects the 2nd house adversely.

The person will still enjoy the benefits of the Lagna Lord in Lagna, but he will also encounter many problems in health and career. Neurological problems may arise. Achievements may involve struggles. He will have enemies stabbing him in the back and more often than not, they will be successful in their conspiracies. But he will enjoy a position of power and authority.

He will either not get married - more likely - or his marriage will not survive - less likely.

[explorings]

Even I have 5 planets in my second house-in libra-saturn ,sun,pluto, sun, moon and jupiter.Even I'm not that interested in worldly life , does it form any yoga?

Wipro please provide your birth details. Thanks.

[wipro]

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[Dev]

Truthseeker:

That is very interesting, all natural benefics are together.
Anyway I am also suppose to be having pravrajya yoga as per many astrologers but till date I have not become a sanyasi. I have 7 planets in 3rd house.

Dev

[Dev]

Thanks Truthseeker, if you are really the truthseeker, I would imagine that you would become a saint some day. Anyway as I told you, I am also growing spiritually but have no aspiration to become a saint. If at all both of us become saints, we will continue as saint friends .
Dev

[Dev]

Truthseeker

To be honest, I'm afraid I'd attain sainthood; in fact, I'm more focused on unearthing human beings' truth (a.k.a. true intentions) that are deliberately hidden from each other fearing criticism if otherwise is correct. Much to my delight, when the 'real' truth surmounts 'perceived' truth my travel towards spiritualism will surely connect me to the higher truth i.e., God.

I think, you would get frustrated when unearthing human beings truth and then you would reach the realisation that it is better to become a saint.

No I never said I am in the spiritual journey. Every human after suffering shows atleast 0000001% of inclination towards spirituality, it is by default. It is different from the ones naturally inclined towards spirituality.

Any I may not become really spiritual but I always respect them since I cannot percieve how they get so much determination and will power and so on. So in case you become one, not only my friendship but also my respects would be assured.

Dev

[Humannature]

Thanks Shrikanth ji for the clarification.

[Dev]

Hi Truthseeker:
The path to reaching the epitome of truth i.e., God's blessings, would never be a stroll in the park. One is bound to get frustrated in the process hoping to end his/her search detouring at the nearest exit unable to cope with the suffering. What spirituality teaches a person is how treacherous and demanding are the criteria one has to fulfil to seek residence in God's abode. Should one overcome his/her frustrations, it's deemed to be victory over one's weakness, and Almighty's non-ephemeral kindness is nigh.

An innate spiritual person doesn't seek admiration or appreciation from the mass; instead s/he would feel satisfied when the spiritual knowledge is shared for the well-being of people who're less fortunate in attaining nirvana through willpower and determination but exhibit their desire to cleanse their souls with 'uncontrived' dedication. However, thank you for your kind words. I'm humbled.


Very well said and you really sound like an innate spiritual person though you claim to be materialistic.

Please note (read: generic): If frustration frustrates a person s/he should never embark on the spiritual journey. Be true to yourself, and the truth shall lead you in the right direction copious with challenges to surmount at every milestone leading to everlasting bliss and fulfilment.

But when the person starts being true(which has become very rare nowadays) I think he is already entering the spiritual arena. Anyway truth and spirituality have close connections. Can you name people who have been highly truthful but not at all spiritual?

Dev

[Dev]

Hi Truthseeker:

I am naive and novice to comment on people's spiritual progress (read: will never do it). On the other hand, maybe, several years down the line, say in a decade or two, I would be able to share my experiences as well as illustrate how I managed to cross hurdles along the way up until then.

Your being humble already shows you are progressing spiritually. So you mean to say in the in the next 10-20 years, you would be crossing several hurdles and that would give you a maturity to tackle life in a better way. Then having faced hurdles, spirituality would eventually enter within you since you would have realised by then that materialistic pursuits will not lead you to heaven. This is what I extrapolate.

Speaking of my materialistic tendencies, I opine the esoteric, enigmatic magic wand of Lord Shani as 'Yogakaraka (for tula lagna)' acts as curtain raiser to my materialistic pursuits that I am destined to achieve in the longer term. His direction is God's will to allow me feast on the fruit of "PurvaJanma Punya (4th [Kendra Sthana] and 5th [Trikona Sthana] bhavas' lord)" in this birth. How do I treat/enjoy God's gifts is left to me, which, in turn, will add to my karma that decides fruit to be cherished/loathed about in my next birth until I break-free from the birth-and-death loop.

Yes, being a kendra and kona lord, and being well placed, he is going to help you in gaining all materialitic comforts. Hope you dont lose your track when in that exalted position.
You would not be adding to karma if you do nishkamya karma, take whatever comes in your way, do charity generously for the old aged, handicapped, orphans etc, gau seva and so on.
When you do all these seva, without expecting the fruits of these, ie without any ego or expectation, then it becomes nishkamya karma, then you would not be adding more karmas and would get closer to breaking free from the birth and death loop.

Dev

[Dev]

Hi, Truthseeker,

Thank you for your detailed explanation and insights, as well as amiable advice. I'll accommodate them as and when benign situations arise, and the need to contribute to the society presents itself or when I create the need myself.


Thanks for your insights too. When you say "when the need to contribute to the society presents itself'", it clearly indicates you are concerned about the its well being and will contribute to its well being when need arises. Kali yuga obviously is the period when people with societal care are needed since we may largely come across selfish people. May be I sound negative but I talk reality.

See the number of divorces in India, the number of old people sent to old age home by their own children, cows being slaughtered and beef being eaten even by the so called hindus and so on.

I wish you all the best for your future plans.
Dev

[explorings]

Thanks Shrikantji for the clarification.

[venussaturndude]

This horoscope is really interesting for me because it is exactly mirror image of my chart.

DhoomDhoom, do you know this person? Did this person get married? Any updates since 2012?

Here are my birth details

DOB: September 6th 1979
TOB: 18:30
POB: Deolali, Maharashtra, India

[Dev]

I wrote about your horoscope in the other thread "challenging----". Very interesting. You may share details that you want too.
I also saw Astrolover's horoscope and asked him a question for which he probably misunderstood. He had openly shared information on the divorce he had and the trouble he faced wrt marriage and so my question was directly connected to this.
Dev