Dear sirs
Namaskar
When jupiter as lagnesh & moon as astmesh form gajkesari yoga in 7th house - is it tainted or good because sun & moon as lords of 8th house are not tainted with ashtmesh dosha ?????????
regards
Sun & moon and astmesh dosha
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CT,
This combination can only happen to ppl of Dhanu Lg and can only take place in Gem. In this case, Gaj-Kesari becomes weak and tainted.
Moon will be in the 12th to his OH, and 8th L in the 7th is always bad. Also Jupi will have zero digbala in the 7th H. So forget it.
This will give bad results if moon Jupi combi takes place in ARdra, if in Punarvasu, lots of the bad stuff can be avoided. However a lot will depend on the position of the 7th L mer in the chart.
SK.
This combination can only happen to ppl of Dhanu Lg and can only take place in Gem. In this case, Gaj-Kesari becomes weak and tainted.
Moon will be in the 12th to his OH, and 8th L in the 7th is always bad. Also Jupi will have zero digbala in the 7th H. So forget it.
This will give bad results if moon Jupi combi takes place in ARdra, if in Punarvasu, lots of the bad stuff can be avoided. However a lot will depend on the position of the 7th L mer in the chart.
SK.
It's better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
Dev ji,
Yes, that is a very well known theory that Sun and Moon does not give the ill effects of the 8th Lordship. But I have found that theory to be very very wrong. 8th L is 8th L.
SK
Yes, that is a very well known theory that Sun and Moon does not give the ill effects of the 8th Lordship. But I have found that theory to be very very wrong. 8th L is 8th L.
SK
It's better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
Thanks Swamycool for the feedback. But if you take danur lagna, 8th lord is moon and in case of a relative of mine, he is in 4th and 8th lord in 4th should disturb mental happiness but he is very happy and his family is very supportive.
Anyway you are very knowledgable in astrology and so must have seen several cases where 8th lord shows his inherent nature.
What about MKS for moon in 8th?
Also what do you feel about makara lagna(also makara rasi) native with saturn and mars in 10th aspecting 4th house and 5th house having mercury and rahu and 6th house with venus.
Do you think the saturn and mars aspecting 4th would destroy peace or should we see that saturn is lagna lord and mars in 4th lord and so being kendra lords, it may not be bad or should we take saturn being exalted that only mars is malefic?
Please give your thoughts on these. My question is whether saturn and mars would act as natural malefics or functional benefics or whatever. Anyway only saturn is functional benefic in this case.
Dev
Anyway you are very knowledgable in astrology and so must have seen several cases where 8th lord shows his inherent nature.
What about MKS for moon in 8th?
Also what do you feel about makara lagna(also makara rasi) native with saturn and mars in 10th aspecting 4th house and 5th house having mercury and rahu and 6th house with venus.
Do you think the saturn and mars aspecting 4th would destroy peace or should we see that saturn is lagna lord and mars in 4th lord and so being kendra lords, it may not be bad or should we take saturn being exalted that only mars is malefic?
Please give your thoughts on these. My question is whether saturn and mars would act as natural malefics or functional benefics or whatever. Anyway only saturn is functional benefic in this case.
Dev
Dev ji, I'll tell you exactly why this has happened. Moon is the 8th L as Karka is the 8th H. Now :by Dev » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:48 pm
Thanks Swamycool for the feedback. But if you take danur lagna, 8th lord is moon and in case of a relative of mine, he is in 4th and 8th lord in 4th should disturb mental happiness but he is very happy and his family is very supportive.
1. Moon is in the 4th H, Moon is the Karak for 4th H and Mother. Moon is Digbali in 4th. When the Karak is Digbali in 4th H (Sukha bhava), the person should be happy.
2. Moon is in the 9th from his own H. This is a very good position for the 8th L. It also gives good inheritance from Mother's side, as 8th rules inheritance.
3. Moon is in a Jala Rashi (Meen). Moon is in his own tatwa, so very comfortable, and not very highly inclined to make trouble.
I can hazard a guess, that moon in this case is either in UBh or Revati, but check chart for confirmation.
About Moon in the 12th from its own position, its bad. As I said before, 8th L in the 7th H is not at all welcome.What about MKS for moon in 8th?
It's better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
Swamycool:
Yes, your interpretations are very right.
The person is happy, has inheritance and not any sort of trouble that I know of. Also, his start is UBh as you guessed.
I was talking or maranakaraka sthana being 8th house for moon, is it not bad?
Dev
Yes, your interpretations are very right.
The person is happy, has inheritance and not any sort of trouble that I know of. Also, his start is UBh as you guessed.
I was talking or maranakaraka sthana being 8th house for moon, is it not bad?
Dev
Dev ji,
In this case, moon is the 8th L but not in the 8th H. He is in the 7th. So the MKS point does not apply.
Also I think that the MKS position might be a bit overrated. Suppose if moon was in cancer (8th H), then 8th L in the 8th H is one of the best positions in a chart, also 'the' best position for the 8th L. Gives long life, free of major troubles and disappointments. The Lord protects his own house, 8th L in the 8th H gives full protection to that H.
SK.
In this case, moon is the 8th L but not in the 8th H. He is in the 7th. So the MKS point does not apply.
Also I think that the MKS position might be a bit overrated. Suppose if moon was in cancer (8th H), then 8th L in the 8th H is one of the best positions in a chart, also 'the' best position for the 8th L. Gives long life, free of major troubles and disappointments. The Lord protects his own house, 8th L in the 8th H gives full protection to that H.
SK.
It's better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
Thanks Swamy cool. Yes, I agree,.
However, I was asking general opinion about MKS and not in this case, may be I should have written it there that in general what would be the effect of MKS Anyway you say it is overrated
Thanks Swamy you made me Cool
Dev
However, I was asking general opinion about MKS and not in this case, may be I should have written it there that in general what would be the effect of MKS Anyway you say it is overrated
Thanks Swamy you made me Cool
Dev
Dev ji,Also what do you feel about makara lagna(also makara rasi) native with saturn and mars in 10th aspecting 4th house and 5th house having mercury and rahu and 6th house with venus.
Do you think the saturn and mars aspecting 4th would destroy peace or should we see that saturn is lagna lord and mars in 4th lord and so being kendra lords, it may not be bad or should we take saturn being exalted that only mars is malefic?
Please give your thoughts on these. My question is whether saturn and mars would act as natural malefics or functional benefics or whatever. Anyway only saturn is functional benefic in this case.
Dev
A few pointers from this chart -
Sat in Lib is exalted and Mars in 10th is digbali.
Sat aspects the 12th, 4th and 7th. While Mars aspects the Lg, 4th and 5th (8th aspect).
Firstly we must remember planets give mixed results, no planet is fully benefic, none is fully malefic. Exalted Sat and digbali mars in the 10th H is an excellent combination for work.
Sat Mars together creates the combination of the Kshatriya. Since Sat Mar both aspect the 4th, Mars aspects his OH, But Mars in a H of Ven and 7th from 4th H. The person may be born in a well to do family, but the family atmosphere may not be peaceful. There might be fighting in the family, esp regarding Land or real estate. Can also be about money.
The person will have at least one serious affair broken.
The person will be good hearted and very gung ho type, but will completely focus on his work and neglect his home/family, esp wife might be seriously unhappy due to benign neglect.
But the person might be blessed with a very mature and dutiful wife, who will try to help her husband to the best of her abilities.
Ven in 6th is not good placement. Chances of enmity from women and harm due to them.
To answer your point in a nutshell, Sat Mar will be excellent for work, but a bit troublesome for family.
Thats all I can come up with, without the full chart.
SK
It's better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
Swamycool:
Thanks but the person is a lady. Born June 17, 1984, chennai, 9.40pm.
I do not know about love affair. What I know is she got recently married to a software person in US. She has one elder sister who is already married. No other siblings.
She is work consious, average or above average in studies, fond of mom, very much interested in make up and style, will spend money for dresses and make ups, reaonabley good looking, generally soft spoken, loves to be in the US, that is all I know. She is also very materialistic and does not believe in pujas and routine though she believes in God but her sister two years elder is very spiritual.
Dev
Thanks but the person is a lady. Born June 17, 1984, chennai, 9.40pm.
I do not know about love affair. What I know is she got recently married to a software person in US. She has one elder sister who is already married. No other siblings.
She is work consious, average or above average in studies, fond of mom, very much interested in make up and style, will spend money for dresses and make ups, reaonabley good looking, generally soft spoken, loves to be in the US, that is all I know. She is also very materialistic and does not believe in pujas and routine though she believes in God but her sister two years elder is very spiritual.
Dev
[quote="Dev"]Swamycool,
Sat in Lib is exalted and Mars in 10th is digbali.
Sat aspects the 12th, 4th and 7th. While Mars aspects the Lg, 4th and 5th (8th aspect).
Firstly we must remember planets give mixed results, no planet is fully benefic, none is fully malefic. Exalted Sat and digbali mars in the 10th H is an excellent combination for work.
Yes she got job without any difficulty.
Sat Mars together creates the combination of the Kshatriya. Since Sat Mar both aspect the 4th, Mars aspects his OH, But Mars in a H of Ven and 7th from 4th H. The person may be born in a well to do family, but the family atmosphere may not be peaceful. There might be fighting in the family, esp regarding Land or real estate. Can also be about money.
Yes true she is from well to do family, but family atmosphere was peaceful(before marriage) After marriage I dont know since she left for US.
I cannot imagine fighting for money since the parents have two daughters and have everything for them only. That too elder daugter would even be willing to sacrifice for her sister.
The person will have at least one serious affair broken.
This I cannot predict since sometime even the parents are not aware of.
The person will be good hearted and very gung ho type, but will completely focus on his work and neglect his home/family, esp wife might be seriously unhappy due to benign neglect.
Yes may be so.
But the person might be blessed with a very mature and dutiful wife, who will try to help her husband to the best of her abilities.
think so but too early to predict
Ven in 6th is not good placement. Chances of enmity from women and harm due to them.
may be from inlaw's side, but not until now
To answer your point in a nutshell, Sat Mar will be excellent for work, but a bit troublesome for family.
not until now since she only got married few months back and left to US where she lives with her husband.
Thanks Swamy, anyway I will keep you updated if I come to know of any of these about which I am unsure as of now.
Dev
Sat in Lib is exalted and Mars in 10th is digbali.
Sat aspects the 12th, 4th and 7th. While Mars aspects the Lg, 4th and 5th (8th aspect).
Firstly we must remember planets give mixed results, no planet is fully benefic, none is fully malefic. Exalted Sat and digbali mars in the 10th H is an excellent combination for work.
Yes she got job without any difficulty.
Sat Mars together creates the combination of the Kshatriya. Since Sat Mar both aspect the 4th, Mars aspects his OH, But Mars in a H of Ven and 7th from 4th H. The person may be born in a well to do family, but the family atmosphere may not be peaceful. There might be fighting in the family, esp regarding Land or real estate. Can also be about money.
Yes true she is from well to do family, but family atmosphere was peaceful(before marriage) After marriage I dont know since she left for US.
I cannot imagine fighting for money since the parents have two daughters and have everything for them only. That too elder daugter would even be willing to sacrifice for her sister.
The person will have at least one serious affair broken.
This I cannot predict since sometime even the parents are not aware of.
The person will be good hearted and very gung ho type, but will completely focus on his work and neglect his home/family, esp wife might be seriously unhappy due to benign neglect.
Yes may be so.
But the person might be blessed with a very mature and dutiful wife, who will try to help her husband to the best of her abilities.
think so but too early to predict
Ven in 6th is not good placement. Chances of enmity from women and harm due to them.
may be from inlaw's side, but not until now
To answer your point in a nutshell, Sat Mar will be excellent for work, but a bit troublesome for family.
not until now since she only got married few months back and left to US where she lives with her husband.
Thanks Swamy, anyway I will keep you updated if I come to know of any of these about which I am unsure as of now.
Dev
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Nitin21
8th lordship of sun and moon is mild, not evil. Karaka and lordship Effects depend upon strength of sun and moon, aspect of malefics/benefics on them.
Hi Swamycool:
Can you please elaborate on these points made?
The family atmosphere may not be peaceful. There might be fighting in the family, esp regarding Land or real estate. Can also be about money.
The person will have at least one serious affair broken.
Ven in 6th is not good placement. Chances of enmity from women and harm due to them.
Sat Mar will be excellent for work, but a bit troublesome for family.
I hope the marriage would not break up, and also I was told she may not have kids, is it indicated so strongly?
Dev
Can you please elaborate on these points made?
The family atmosphere may not be peaceful. There might be fighting in the family, esp regarding Land or real estate. Can also be about money.
The person will have at least one serious affair broken.
Ven in 6th is not good placement. Chances of enmity from women and harm due to them.
Sat Mar will be excellent for work, but a bit troublesome for family.
I hope the marriage would not break up, and also I was told she may not have kids, is it indicated so strongly?
Dev
Sonu Bhai,
What are the factors that would tilt the scales from mild to evil when it comes to 8th lordship of Moon and Sun?
Asking this as I am a Dhanu lagna person and looking back, I have twice experienced two sub periods related to 8th house. One was of 8th lord moon itself and other was of Lagna Lord placed in 8th.
Both were anything but mild. Especially the moon sub period. This period rudely jolted and literally destroyed me on every front. I lost both the campus placement offers(one over 1l/month, other approaching this figure) even before I could Join them. That loon Osama blew tin towers and this led to recession and I was issued regret letters even before I could Join either of the jobs. I made an extremely stupid decision of not joining IIM for my MBA( willing to take full blame for it though). I lost my mother in a horrible road accident and have since then rarely stayed at my home.
For somebody who had not seen failure so far this period literally reduced me to tears and to add insult to the injury by the end of this period I was in full blown depression brought on by my Bi-Polar disorder. I have been depressed later on at times but have never known depression this bad.
This period was anything but mild for me.
So would want to know what are the factors that actually tilt the scales towards evil in case of Sun or moon's 8th lordship. ( Cant term it as anything else. I agree I must have incurred some previous bad karma to precipitate this but still effects were evil from my POV)
What are the factors that would tilt the scales from mild to evil when it comes to 8th lordship of Moon and Sun?
Asking this as I am a Dhanu lagna person and looking back, I have twice experienced two sub periods related to 8th house. One was of 8th lord moon itself and other was of Lagna Lord placed in 8th.
Both were anything but mild. Especially the moon sub period. This period rudely jolted and literally destroyed me on every front. I lost both the campus placement offers(one over 1l/month, other approaching this figure) even before I could Join them. That loon Osama blew tin towers and this led to recession and I was issued regret letters even before I could Join either of the jobs. I made an extremely stupid decision of not joining IIM for my MBA( willing to take full blame for it though). I lost my mother in a horrible road accident and have since then rarely stayed at my home.
For somebody who had not seen failure so far this period literally reduced me to tears and to add insult to the injury by the end of this period I was in full blown depression brought on by my Bi-Polar disorder. I have been depressed later on at times but have never known depression this bad.
This period was anything but mild for me.
So would want to know what are the factors that actually tilt the scales towards evil in case of Sun or moon's 8th lordship. ( Cant term it as anything else. I agree I must have incurred some previous bad karma to precipitate this but still effects were evil from my POV)
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Nitin21
Abhisheik can you please give dates of your trouble..Your subperiods of ads and pds will not be same as per my calculations..
Regarding ashtamesha dosha, sun and moon do not have ashtamesha dosha. However, if ill placed badly afflicted, bad navamsa etc.. then even if it is a trinal lord it can give troubles.
Any classical sutra will only lay the basic framework on which other factors can act, so merely having ashtamesha is not enough to kill or having a trine lord is not enough to rescue.
Regards
D
Regarding ashtamesha dosha, sun and moon do not have ashtamesha dosha. However, if ill placed badly afflicted, bad navamsa etc.. then even if it is a trinal lord it can give troubles.
Any classical sutra will only lay the basic framework on which other factors can act, so merely having ashtamesha is not enough to kill or having a trine lord is not enough to rescue.
Regards
D
Sonu Bhai, Your points do make sense.
I recollect you told me that my moon is hammered by Shani and Mars in Navamsa. No wonder I felt the full heat.
For your analysis, though its been a long time almost like previous life, still approximate dates are
Got campus placements in AUG 2001.
Got IIM - Indore confirmation in March end 2002.
Got rejection letter from companies around 2 or 3 week June 2002.
Decided Not to Join IIM during this time only.
Lost my Mom on 22 april 2003.
Had a full blown Depression around september end 2003 and this continued for good 6-7 months. Had developed insomnia prior to this. (Looking back this insomnia was also a feature of my bi-polar disorder, i.e., a hypomanic state)
Regards
Abhisheik
I recollect you told me that my moon is hammered by Shani and Mars in Navamsa. No wonder I felt the full heat.
For your analysis, though its been a long time almost like previous life, still approximate dates are
Got campus placements in AUG 2001.
Got IIM - Indore confirmation in March end 2002.
Got rejection letter from companies around 2 or 3 week June 2002.
Decided Not to Join IIM during this time only.
Lost my Mom on 22 april 2003.
Had a full blown Depression around september end 2003 and this continued for good 6-7 months. Had developed insomnia prior to this. (Looking back this insomnia was also a feature of my bi-polar disorder, i.e., a hypomanic state)
Regards
Abhisheik
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Nitin21
Abhisheik - You were running Merc-Sun from 16-6-2001 till 18-4-2002 ......... Merc-Moon till 10-sep-2003 and subsequently Merc-Mars till 1-Sept-2004.
Now you can guess from events.. Insomnia = deb moon in 12th and hammered by mars-sat in navamsa .. thus Sat+moon also giving problems.. Merc also under same mars-sat influence.. NO BENEFIC ASPECT in navamsa too..
You see even if moon was kendra lord in such circumstance.. what good it could have done.. !!!
Regards
D
Now you can guess from events.. Insomnia = deb moon in 12th and hammered by mars-sat in navamsa .. thus Sat+moon also giving problems.. Merc also under same mars-sat influence.. NO BENEFIC ASPECT in navamsa too..
You see even if moon was kendra lord in such circumstance.. what good it could have done.. !!!
Regards
D
