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Moon and Saturn combination from the past post you can see there is a lot variations depending whether it is well placed or not. So possible interpretations could be the person is :
rich (especially if Saturn is Capricorn)
lazy
drunkard
socially attractive
easily depressed
healthy (the Saturn's transit do not hit these people that badly)
mean
stoic
a liar because Saturn is the karaka of the 8th which is 12th of the 9th or full of integrity because Moon is the karaka of the 4th and Saturn of the 4th of masses and you need integrity to serve the masses
a thief because Saturn is the karaka of the 12th which stands for actions involving stealth and trickery or someone who works hard to achieve success gaining full respect because Saturn is the karaka of the 10th of career. 10th is also the house in full view by the public.
luckier when things have passed rather than when things are about to happen
if Moon and Saturn rules both the north and south nodes (as in all planets) the combination is fortuitous
unlucky
persevering
narrow view of things
shyness
restlessness
faithfulness
The bad aspects only happen if the planets are badly placed like by sign or house. Benfics like Jupiter or Venus aspecting it would also help.
In the 11th house, Moon+Saturn can give much gains too.
If Saturn rules a Dusthana and not a trinal lord, and the Moon is very close to it, it can be rather disastrous for the native.
Moon+Saturn separating (meaning Moon is ahead of Saturn with Saturn retrogading) shows the native has overcomed most of his handicaps since young like shyness, restlessness etc.
Warmest Regards
Hock Leong
The Many Facets of Moon and Saturn conjunction
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The unonscious behaviour like talking to oneself can occur. With Ketu aspecting it all the more so because Ketu deals with inner reflections.
This talking to oneself is not really bad or abnormal. It can indicate a perfectionist (Saturn and Ketu always are obsessed with details and accuracy although the person does not impose it on others) who may like to voice his inner reflection as the person would like to know how his next course of action should be based on his deep reflections on the matter.
Having said that, this relfection is usually only an insight and may not be a true accurate reflection of things as Ketu gives insight rather than the true logic and evidence of things around him. But gradually the insight and the actual matter of things would tend to merge. And the person would then take the appropriate course of action.
Moon+Saturn+Ketu other than the 12th house also exhbit the above characteristic but to a lesser extent.
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Hock Leong
This talking to oneself is not really bad or abnormal. It can indicate a perfectionist (Saturn and Ketu always are obsessed with details and accuracy although the person does not impose it on others) who may like to voice his inner reflection as the person would like to know how his next course of action should be based on his deep reflections on the matter.
Having said that, this relfection is usually only an insight and may not be a true accurate reflection of things as Ketu gives insight rather than the true logic and evidence of things around him. But gradually the insight and the actual matter of things would tend to merge. And the person would then take the appropriate course of action.
Moon+Saturn+Ketu other than the 12th house also exhbit the above characteristic but to a lesser extent.
Best Regards
Hock Leong
Dear Khoo,
"The bad aspects only happen if the planets are badly placed like by sign or house. Benfics like Jupiter or Venus aspecting it would also help."
In my case Planets are badly placed, moom debilitated,saturn in enemy sign.
"Moon+Saturn separating (meaning Moon is ahead of Saturn with Saturn retrogading) shows the native has overcomed most of his handicaps since young like shyness, restlessness etc."
Moon at 14 deg and Sat(R) 1.52 deg, as u said, i have overcome my shyness ,though not completely, but restlessness still persists sometimes, as we can see both moon and saturn have no benefic aspect.
6 may,1985, 4.15 pm, Ambala, india.
"The bad aspects only happen if the planets are badly placed like by sign or house. Benfics like Jupiter or Venus aspecting it would also help."
In my case Planets are badly placed, moom debilitated,saturn in enemy sign.
"Moon+Saturn separating (meaning Moon is ahead of Saturn with Saturn retrogading) shows the native has overcomed most of his handicaps since young like shyness, restlessness etc."
Moon at 14 deg and Sat(R) 1.52 deg, as u said, i have overcome my shyness ,though not completely, but restlessness still persists sometimes, as we can see both moon and saturn have no benefic aspect.
6 may,1985, 4.15 pm, Ambala, india.
Warm Regards,
Naval
Naval
Dear Khoo,
I have birth details of a girl child who lost her father in March 2007 by accident.
She is having Moon+Saturn in 9th house of Gemini (Libra Lagna).
Is this the reason for such a tragic incident in her life or the papa-kartari yoga of lagna lord Venus placed in 8th house.
But she is very intelligent and active. The exalted Sun alongwith Mercury Budh Aditya yoga in 7th house has something to do with this.
Her details:
DOB: 12 May 2005
TOB: 18:12
POB: Ujjain, M.P., India
Regards
RRR
I have birth details of a girl child who lost her father in March 2007 by accident.
She is having Moon+Saturn in 9th house of Gemini (Libra Lagna).
Is this the reason for such a tragic incident in her life or the papa-kartari yoga of lagna lord Venus placed in 8th house.
But she is very intelligent and active. The exalted Sun alongwith Mercury Budh Aditya yoga in 7th house has something to do with this.
Her details:
DOB: 12 May 2005
TOB: 18:12
POB: Ujjain, M.P., India
Regards
RRR
khoo ji,
Yes
"It can indicate a perfectionist (Saturn and Ketu always are obsessed with details and accuracy although the person does not impose it on others) who may like to voice his inner reflection as the person would like to know how his next course of action should be based on his deep reflections on the matter."
this is true with the native
he has a Fluctuating Mind
His birth details :
18 Oct 1988
13:30
place : Tumkur, karnataka, India
Yes
"It can indicate a perfectionist (Saturn and Ketu always are obsessed with details and accuracy although the person does not impose it on others) who may like to voice his inner reflection as the person would like to know how his next course of action should be based on his deep reflections on the matter."
this is true with the native
he has a Fluctuating Mind
His birth details :
18 Oct 1988
13:30
place : Tumkur, karnataka, India
Sat Moon combination is in fact present in two three of my relatives horoscope.
1. In the first one it is in 11th house in simha. The person earned a lot of money but after very hard work,towards retirement age he has achieved very good financial position. but the person was very conscious of money matters throughout his life and sometimes to hte extent of being stingy or rude when he saw someone careless with his money.also selfish with material things but helps with own effort when possible. does not rely on servants suborniates and has very few also mostly lonely. other planets are mangal ketu in 12th and sun and combust jup and venus in 4th. moon being in simha the emphasis was on spending on show-off or good-looking things like clothes etc rather than on more important things or things of convenience.
2. In the second case the combination is in karka in 9th. the person is still young and i dont know him for a long time. but his father also went thru financial hardships but later all was restored. he also stayed away from his father during studies (he also has rahu + debilitated sun in 12th) but probably because of karka moon, he is quiet attached to his family. also never thought of stay abroad. Likes a luxurious life (as compared to income). has lagni shukra aspected by guru from 7th and a good personality, also as explained since saturn is ruler of 4th here together with moon (the natural karaka of 4th) has a stable nature and likes to build relationships with people. Not sure whether it can be called integrity. speaks very less.
3. In the third case the yuti is again in karka but in 12th together with sun and mars in 6th.and venus in eighth.three grahas ucha/ mooltrikona but in dusthanas. he spends money without thinking twice. probably has no savings and spends what he gets. at 35 he is not yet settled in life and has had a divorce from a hasty marriage. His father is now getting old and worried that the son is not settled.
khoo-ji and learned astrolgers , please throw some light to what extent the moon shani yuti contributes to this.
amit
1. In the first one it is in 11th house in simha. The person earned a lot of money but after very hard work,towards retirement age he has achieved very good financial position. but the person was very conscious of money matters throughout his life and sometimes to hte extent of being stingy or rude when he saw someone careless with his money.also selfish with material things but helps with own effort when possible. does not rely on servants suborniates and has very few also mostly lonely. other planets are mangal ketu in 12th and sun and combust jup and venus in 4th. moon being in simha the emphasis was on spending on show-off or good-looking things like clothes etc rather than on more important things or things of convenience.
2. In the second case the combination is in karka in 9th. the person is still young and i dont know him for a long time. but his father also went thru financial hardships but later all was restored. he also stayed away from his father during studies (he also has rahu + debilitated sun in 12th) but probably because of karka moon, he is quiet attached to his family. also never thought of stay abroad. Likes a luxurious life (as compared to income). has lagni shukra aspected by guru from 7th and a good personality, also as explained since saturn is ruler of 4th here together with moon (the natural karaka of 4th) has a stable nature and likes to build relationships with people. Not sure whether it can be called integrity. speaks very less.
3. In the third case the yuti is again in karka but in 12th together with sun and mars in 6th.and venus in eighth.three grahas ucha/ mooltrikona but in dusthanas. he spends money without thinking twice. probably has no savings and spends what he gets. at 35 he is not yet settled in life and has had a divorce from a hasty marriage. His father is now getting old and worried that the son is not settled.
khoo-ji and learned astrolgers , please throw some light to what extent the moon shani yuti contributes to this.
amit
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Yes, I stand corrected.
Masses are under both Saturn and Moon and the 4th house. So Moon+Saturn likes to build relationships.
Integrity is under Mars and Moon and the 4th house. Moon+Mars should have the strong integrity.
Moon is a general karaka for the 4th house so it involves both integrity and masses regardless whether it is a functional ruler of the 4th. But if rules the 4th, these two aspects of character would also be stronger.
Saturn only masses.
So Moon+Saturn the integrity is only contributed by the Moon side UNLESS Saturn is a functional ruler of the 4th house.
Mars strong in thc chart, therfore, like being a Yogakaraka for a Cancer Ascendant, therefore is a BETTER indicator for integrity rather than Moon+Saturn.
Hope that helps.
Yes, I stand corrected.
Masses are under both Saturn and Moon and the 4th house. So Moon+Saturn likes to build relationships.
Integrity is under Mars and Moon and the 4th house. Moon+Mars should have the strong integrity.
Moon is a general karaka for the 4th house so it involves both integrity and masses regardless whether it is a functional ruler of the 4th. But if rules the 4th, these two aspects of character would also be stronger.
Saturn only masses.
So Moon+Saturn the integrity is only contributed by the Moon side UNLESS Saturn is a functional ruler of the 4th house.
Mars strong in thc chart, therfore, like being a Yogakaraka for a Cancer Ascendant, therefore is a BETTER indicator for integrity rather than Moon+Saturn.
Hope that helps.
Thanks khoo for your reply.
again possibly the placement according to nakshatra may also modify the result to some extent. for eg in (2) above although in karka rashi, it is ashlesha nak so that makes him secretive and the connection to masses is more for own benefit rather than pushya which may be more generous in such relationships.
In case (1) the person also hurts easily by his speech, so the negative aspect of simha is further accentuated by shani, also helped (?) by mars in 12th.
also does this apply when shani moon are not in conjunction by have drishti on each other?
again possibly the placement according to nakshatra may also modify the result to some extent. for eg in (2) above although in karka rashi, it is ashlesha nak so that makes him secretive and the connection to masses is more for own benefit rather than pushya which may be more generous in such relationships.
In case (1) the person also hurts easily by his speech, so the negative aspect of simha is further accentuated by shani, also helped (?) by mars in 12th.
also does this apply when shani moon are not in conjunction by have drishti on each other?
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Well the thing is classics normally delineate conjunctions of planets as a list. Aspects are only mentioned in certain verses like in BPHS.
So normally we tend to talk about conjunctions unless we happen to read somewhere that it applies to aspects as well.
When you said hurtful speech you mean harsh speech intentionally to denigrate the person? Yes Mars in 12th can contribute although it is not the main player for this since Mars do not rule speech. Also Mars effects is usually done to put something right from wrong, no matter how wrong the person's view of things, so to intentionally hurt someones is never even in Mars repertoire even if in the 12th UNLESS Mars has some contact with North Node or Saturn. Mars in 12th alone, the effect for such a character if it occur, is very weak.
So normally we tend to talk about conjunctions unless we happen to read somewhere that it applies to aspects as well.
When you said hurtful speech you mean harsh speech intentionally to denigrate the person? Yes Mars in 12th can contribute although it is not the main player for this since Mars do not rule speech. Also Mars effects is usually done to put something right from wrong, no matter how wrong the person's view of things, so to intentionally hurt someones is never even in Mars repertoire even if in the 12th UNLESS Mars has some contact with North Node or Saturn. Mars in 12th alone, the effect for such a character if it occur, is very weak.
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I have been going through the earlier posts which are really interesting and exciting too. Lots to learn and give the brain a good whirl and keep it active.
Well, I could not resist myself and had to ask this, what exactly is the Saturn-Moon conjunction doing in my case? And in general in the case of a Leo ascendant, as in general, Saturn and the Sun are inimical and in case of Leo, Moon rules the 12th house. What are some specific attributes of such a conjunction? Also in my case, it happens in the fifth house of Sagittarius, with a Full moon and a retrograding Saturn.
Knowledgeable members, waiting for your valuable insights!
Details : 19th June 1989, 10:40am and Puri,Orissa, India.
Well, I could not resist myself and had to ask this, what exactly is the Saturn-Moon conjunction doing in my case? And in general in the case of a Leo ascendant, as in general, Saturn and the Sun are inimical and in case of Leo, Moon rules the 12th house. What are some specific attributes of such a conjunction? Also in my case, it happens in the fifth house of Sagittarius, with a Full moon and a retrograding Saturn.
Knowledgeable members, waiting for your valuable insights!
Details : 19th June 1989, 10:40am and Puri,Orissa, India.
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In my chart moon and saturn in 7th house (aquarius). But not too close to each other. Saturn is in 11 degree and moon is in 28 degree. Also mars and rahu is aspects here. So what this indicates that ? Is moon deeply afflicted ? Thanks.
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The Moon - Saturn Conjunction is maligned as a duryoga and also occurs by the unilateral aspect of saturn on the Moon or mutual aspects.
The Yoga goes by various names such as Punarphoo or Visha Yoga.
One common and striking outcome of this yoga is some level of depression/Anxiety or in worst cases Derangement.Saturn is the enemy of the Moon and Moon being Manahkaraka gets badly afflicted by Saturn’s association.
The Punarphoo name is much widespread and is typically used in a matrimonial context, marital prospects are said to be much delayed even if not denied and there are multiple hindrances in solemnizing a wedding.
The above Yogas are independent of placement.
The only saving grace comes in when the conjunction occurs in Saturn’s own signs (Makara/Kumbha) or when Moon is placed in these Signs and aspected by Saturn - This Yoga is supposed to be called Amrita Yoga, as opposed to Visha Yoga.
The Yoga goes by various names such as Punarphoo or Visha Yoga.
One common and striking outcome of this yoga is some level of depression/Anxiety or in worst cases Derangement.Saturn is the enemy of the Moon and Moon being Manahkaraka gets badly afflicted by Saturn’s association.
The Punarphoo name is much widespread and is typically used in a matrimonial context, marital prospects are said to be much delayed even if not denied and there are multiple hindrances in solemnizing a wedding.
The above Yogas are independent of placement.
The only saving grace comes in when the conjunction occurs in Saturn’s own signs (Makara/Kumbha) or when Moon is placed in these Signs and aspected by Saturn - This Yoga is supposed to be called Amrita Yoga, as opposed to Visha Yoga.
Sir what about Saturn's aspect on exaltation sign ? say when saturn is in Capricorn and aspecting moon in libra ?astrovedic wrote:
The only saving grace comes in when the conjunction occurs in Saturn’s own signs (Makara/Kumbha) or when Moon is placed in these Signs and aspected by Saturn - This Yoga is supposed to be called Amrita Yoga, as opposed to Visha Yoga.
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Sir, in my case the Sa-Mo conjunction happens in the 5th house! What does it signify? And a full moon is affected more or is affected less by the conjunction? Also, I have faced many hurdles, quit jobs a lot and been desperate for riches and fortune with no result.
Is that all due to Visha yoga?
thanks
Sir, in my case the Sa-Mo conjunction happens in the 5th house! What does it signify? And a full moon is affected more or is affected less by the conjunction? Also, I have faced many hurdles, quit jobs a lot and been desperate for riches and fortune with no result.
Is that all due to Visha yoga?
thanks
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[quote="qwert123"][quote="astrovedic"]
The only saving grace comes in when the conjunction occurs in Saturn’s own signs (Makara/Kumbha) or when Moon is placed in these Signs and aspected by Saturn - This Yoga is supposed to be called Amrita Yoga, as opposed to Visha Yoga.[/quote]
Sir what about Saturn's aspect on exaltation sign ? say when saturn is in Capricorn and aspecting moon in libra ?[/quote]
Moon must occupy Saturn's own signs (Makara/kumbha).
Even then the malefic affliction to Moon is not completely eliminated,I called it a saving grace.It may enhance the results of the house unless Moon or Saturn have evil lordships.
The only saving grace comes in when the conjunction occurs in Saturn’s own signs (Makara/Kumbha) or when Moon is placed in these Signs and aspected by Saturn - This Yoga is supposed to be called Amrita Yoga, as opposed to Visha Yoga.[/quote]
Sir what about Saturn's aspect on exaltation sign ? say when saturn is in Capricorn and aspecting moon in libra ?[/quote]
Moon must occupy Saturn's own signs (Makara/kumbha).
Even then the malefic affliction to Moon is not completely eliminated,I called it a saving grace.It may enhance the results of the house unless Moon or Saturn have evil lordships.
Thanks sir for explaining it , can you tell what is the significance of this if the conjunction happens in Navamsa in saturn's own signs ?astrovedic wrote:Moon must occupy Saturn's own signs (Makara/kumbha).qwert123 wrote:Sir what about Saturn's aspect on exaltation sign ? say when saturn is in Capricorn and aspecting moon in libra ?astrovedic wrote:
The only saving grace comes in when the conjunction occurs in Saturn’s own signs (Makara/Kumbha) or when Moon is placed in these Signs and aspected by Saturn - This Yoga is supposed to be called Amrita Yoga, as opposed to Visha Yoga.
Even then the malefic affliction to Moon is not completely eliminated,I called it a saving grace.It may enhance the results of the house unless Moon or Saturn have evil lordships.
The word amrita seems to suggest something totally opposite ?
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It holds good in Navamsa too.Like all Yogas,this yoga too has its limitations.The term Amrita must not be taken very literally,it is called so because of the benefic effects it is capable of producing in contrast to the malefic form.
Thanks sir , just 1 last question on this .. some places mention that this yoga is cancelled or if there is any relationship with sun through aspects,nakshatras and signsastrovedic wrote:It holds good in Navamsa too.Like all Yogas,this yoga too has its limitations.The term Amrita must not be taken very literally,it is called so because of the benefic effects it is capable of producing in contrast to the malefic form.
does this holds true ?
A few words on the benefic effects of amrita yoga would be highly appreciated
Thanks a lot
Regards
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[quote="qwert123"][quote="astrovedic"]It holds good in Navamsa too.Like all Yogas,this yoga too has its limitations.The term Amrita must not be taken very literally,it is called so because of the benefic effects it is capable of producing in contrast to the malefic form.[/quote]
Thanks sir , just 1 last question on this .. some places mention that this yoga is cancelled or if there is any relationship with sun through aspects,nakshatras and signs
does this holds true ?
A few words on the benefic effects of amrita yoga would be highly appreciated
Thanks a lot
Regards[/quote]
The Potency and Efficacy of Any Yoga is modified by aspects/Position etc.Aspect of the Sun on this particular yoga is will reduce the malefic effects at the most,but not cancel it.
As for the positive effects of the Yoga,Saturn enhances and amplifies the significations of Moon's own house.For example if the Moon is the 5th lord (Meena Lagnam),Moon as a trinal lord situated in the 11th House (Makara) aspected by Saturn gives huge gains and comforts during periods of Saturn.I have this placement and I can vouch for the same.Even Sub periods of Saturn have been highly beneficial.
Hence it is called as Amrita Yoga,as a benefic alternative to Visha Yoga (Name given in the North).
God bless.
Thanks sir , just 1 last question on this .. some places mention that this yoga is cancelled or if there is any relationship with sun through aspects,nakshatras and signs
does this holds true ?
A few words on the benefic effects of amrita yoga would be highly appreciated
Thanks a lot
Regards[/quote]
The Potency and Efficacy of Any Yoga is modified by aspects/Position etc.Aspect of the Sun on this particular yoga is will reduce the malefic effects at the most,but not cancel it.
As for the positive effects of the Yoga,Saturn enhances and amplifies the significations of Moon's own house.For example if the Moon is the 5th lord (Meena Lagnam),Moon as a trinal lord situated in the 11th House (Makara) aspected by Saturn gives huge gains and comforts during periods of Saturn.I have this placement and I can vouch for the same.Even Sub periods of Saturn have been highly beneficial.
Hence it is called as Amrita Yoga,as a benefic alternative to Visha Yoga (Name given in the North).
God bless.
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[quote="hari766"]@astrovedic,
I have heard of Kala-Amrita yoga but this is the first I'm hearing about Amrita Yoga. What are the results of this yoga?[/quote]
Amrita and Kalamrita are not one and the same.Kalamrita Yoga is the Benefic Form of KalaSarpa yoga.It is in no way related to Saturn or the Moon.
The Term Amrita Yoga is not so common.Saturn - Moon associations go by the name as Visha,Punarphoo,Nishthura Bhashi Yogas.
I have heard of Kala-Amrita yoga but this is the first I'm hearing about Amrita Yoga. What are the results of this yoga?[/quote]
Amrita and Kalamrita are not one and the same.Kalamrita Yoga is the Benefic Form of KalaSarpa yoga.It is in no way related to Saturn or the Moon.
The Term Amrita Yoga is not so common.Saturn - Moon associations go by the name as Visha,Punarphoo,Nishthura Bhashi Yogas.
