Basab, I looked over Obama's chart as a Libra. I think it looks good with the Sun, significator of politics, in the 10th house and raja yoga karaka Saturn strong in the 4th house aspecting the 10th house as the 5th ruler. But Moon in the 8th house makes me wonder since that is also the 10th house ruler. I would think that would give a different nature than what he seems to have and might make him a much more private person overall.
I also like the idea that with Capricorn rising, the lagna, which can show so much of who a person is, is showing almost exclusively Capricorn/Saturn traits. This seems very fitting for him since he seems to epitomize those traits of honesty, integrity, sincerity, etc.
Another thing that looks significant is that Rahu has been transiting Capricorn along with Jupiter. I think that transit makes more sense going through his 1st house where it could bring him worldly recognition for who he is, especially since, with Libra lagna, he would be having a constrictive, spiritual Ketu transit of his 10th house, which I don't think would make sense with him becoming president.
I wouldn't say Libra seems entirely wrong, but I like how the Capricorn chart works better overall.
The "extraordinariness" of Barack Obama's chart
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Basab
Somaji,
Thank you for writing a few lines on Obama's chart taking Libra as his ascendant and also for sharing your view on why you think Capricorn ascendant looks more correct for him.
Thank you for writing a few lines on Obama's chart taking Libra as his ascendant and also for sharing your view on why you think Capricorn ascendant looks more correct for him.
Hi Basab,
This is off topic, but one thing puzzles me: Mars dasa from 95-2002 was certainly NOT the peak of my career! It was merely OK-I attained a significant career goal in, but also lost this job, resigned a position, began a second career and started again from the bottom. Got a much better job in 04 and a huge promotion in 06.
I would say I am closer to a career peak NOW than then, and see myself continuing to move upward. Maybe a third career.....
Another poster analyzed my chart using the conditional dasa system, chaturaseethi sama dasa (ruler of 10 in 10) and Mars dasa is 2011. This seems to fit better than vimshottari dasa.
Any thoughts?
This is off topic, but one thing puzzles me: Mars dasa from 95-2002 was certainly NOT the peak of my career! It was merely OK-I attained a significant career goal in, but also lost this job, resigned a position, began a second career and started again from the bottom. Got a much better job in 04 and a huge promotion in 06.
I would say I am closer to a career peak NOW than then, and see myself continuing to move upward. Maybe a third career.....
Another poster analyzed my chart using the conditional dasa system, chaturaseethi sama dasa (ruler of 10 in 10) and Mars dasa is 2011. This seems to fit better than vimshottari dasa.
Any thoughts?
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Basab
Maharaniji,
About the other dasha system giving more correct results, I really don't buy that theory because I believe all the dasha systems has to show the same results--like all roads lead to Rome. And vimshottari dasha being the king of dasha systems, it has to give correct results.
Rahu can give good results as it is influenced by benefics mostly, though not sure why it is giving better results than Mars.
About the other dasha system giving more correct results, I really don't buy that theory because I believe all the dasha systems has to show the same results--like all roads lead to Rome. And vimshottari dasha being the king of dasha systems, it has to give correct results.
Rahu can give good results as it is influenced by benefics mostly, though not sure why it is giving better results than Mars.
Well-I dont know how anyone can say being unemployed for a year (1998-1999), as I was, can be considered the "peak of my career". Possibly there is an explanation, but if you have to dig when it should be obvious, something is wrong. Also-facts are facts-if the theory doesnt work, change it to fit the facts-not the other way around. It is not sufficient to say vimshottari is the king of dasas, so it MUST be right. In this case it was wrong. Mars as my yogakaraka would have been expected to give better results.
Maharani, in April 1998 you were having a very difficult transit of Saturn in its debilitation sign conjunct your 10th house ruler and in the 10th house. I think that would have to be considered along with the dasa period and would actually be all the more significant since it was a malefic conjunction with the dasa ruler itself. Saturn also retrograded back to within 2 degrees of Mars by Dec 1998/Jan 1999 and during the course of 1998 was never more than 9 degrees away from Mars.
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Basab
Maharaniji,
You said: It is not sufficient to say vimshottari is the king of dasas, so it MUST be right. In this case it was wrong. Mars as my yogakaraka would have been expected to give better results.
I felt like laughing after reading your comment. And you know why I felt like laughing? It's because you started doubting the vimshottari dasha, and astrology as well, when it was my knowledge in astrology which you should have doubted, my predictive skills which you should have doubted. How are you so sure that in your case vimshottari dasha was WRONG--is it because an amateur astrologer (myself), has said that your Mars period should have been very good and it was not so to that extent?
You said: "Well-I dont know how anyone can say being unemployed for a year (1998-1999), as I was, can be considered the "peak of my career". Possibly there is an explanation, but if you have to dig when it should be obvious, something is wrong."
I don't know why you thought it should be obvious for me to find out why you had one year of unemployment in the Mars dasha, in the vimshottari dasha, when you know very well that I am an amateur in astrology? I wonder how you started believing that someone like me, who has very little knowledge in astrology and has declared that here, a couple of days ago, should be able to see very clearly why the Mars period was difficult? What do you think astrology to be, as a subject--easier that finding out what 2+2 equals to?
You said: "Also-facts are facts-if the theory doesnt work, change it to fit the facts-not the other way around."
When you can't fit the theory--without changing them--to the fact, it means just one thing: you have not learned the theory well enough.
Tell me something, if a doctor does a wrong diagnosis of a disease that you may have, will you start questioning medical science or the doctor's ability? I am sure, you will accuse the doctor for that. So, why don't you do the same in case of astrology: question the astrologers predictive skills than the correctness of astrology itself? And here, I am not even a professional astrologer, but an amateur one, and still you have belief in my predictive skills than in astrology, as a subject!
And now coming to your chart, there are many reasons why the period of Mars shouldn't have given, only, good results. Now, you may ask me why I didn't tell you earlier? It's because I didn't analyze your chart in much details earlier.
Mars the 10th lord in your chart is in mutual aspect with Saturn, which is the 8th lord of break in career and it was the Saturn sub-period in the Mars major period that got you the break in career proving once again how damaging the 8th house is in a birth chart. Mars-Saturn in the 4-10 axis in itself is not a good point (though it is not that bad in your chart as they have got positive points) and will cause problems to career, home, mother and peace. Car accidents are also indicated. Mars is also in the star of Ketu, which is in the 12th house of break in career again, so that again indicates the struggles you may have had in career. Mars is in gadanta (0 degree 29 minutes in Aries), so it is one of the reasons you may have had unstable career in that period. I feel, after looking at your chart again, there may have been lots of instability in your career always.
About Rahu period getting you to the peak, and being better than the Mars period, well, wouldn't it be more wise to make that comparison after you have completed the full Rahu period, which is of 18 years?
You said: It is not sufficient to say vimshottari is the king of dasas, so it MUST be right. In this case it was wrong. Mars as my yogakaraka would have been expected to give better results.
I felt like laughing after reading your comment. And you know why I felt like laughing? It's because you started doubting the vimshottari dasha, and astrology as well, when it was my knowledge in astrology which you should have doubted, my predictive skills which you should have doubted. How are you so sure that in your case vimshottari dasha was WRONG--is it because an amateur astrologer (myself), has said that your Mars period should have been very good and it was not so to that extent?
You said: "Well-I dont know how anyone can say being unemployed for a year (1998-1999), as I was, can be considered the "peak of my career". Possibly there is an explanation, but if you have to dig when it should be obvious, something is wrong."
I don't know why you thought it should be obvious for me to find out why you had one year of unemployment in the Mars dasha, in the vimshottari dasha, when you know very well that I am an amateur in astrology? I wonder how you started believing that someone like me, who has very little knowledge in astrology and has declared that here, a couple of days ago, should be able to see very clearly why the Mars period was difficult? What do you think astrology to be, as a subject--easier that finding out what 2+2 equals to?
You said: "Also-facts are facts-if the theory doesnt work, change it to fit the facts-not the other way around."
When you can't fit the theory--without changing them--to the fact, it means just one thing: you have not learned the theory well enough.
Tell me something, if a doctor does a wrong diagnosis of a disease that you may have, will you start questioning medical science or the doctor's ability? I am sure, you will accuse the doctor for that. So, why don't you do the same in case of astrology: question the astrologers predictive skills than the correctness of astrology itself? And here, I am not even a professional astrologer, but an amateur one, and still you have belief in my predictive skills than in astrology, as a subject!
And now coming to your chart, there are many reasons why the period of Mars shouldn't have given, only, good results. Now, you may ask me why I didn't tell you earlier? It's because I didn't analyze your chart in much details earlier.
Mars the 10th lord in your chart is in mutual aspect with Saturn, which is the 8th lord of break in career and it was the Saturn sub-period in the Mars major period that got you the break in career proving once again how damaging the 8th house is in a birth chart. Mars-Saturn in the 4-10 axis in itself is not a good point (though it is not that bad in your chart as they have got positive points) and will cause problems to career, home, mother and peace. Car accidents are also indicated. Mars is also in the star of Ketu, which is in the 12th house of break in career again, so that again indicates the struggles you may have had in career. Mars is in gadanta (0 degree 29 minutes in Aries), so it is one of the reasons you may have had unstable career in that period. I feel, after looking at your chart again, there may have been lots of instability in your career always.
About Rahu period getting you to the peak, and being better than the Mars period, well, wouldn't it be more wise to make that comparison after you have completed the full Rahu period, which is of 18 years?
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gaurav1185
I do agree with the thought here. There is always something more than astrology that moves things and make big guys really big.
One example is my mother's kundali. She has 3 planets in exalation and one planet in its own house and all are well placed.
When was born her kundali was shown to some astrologers and each of them predicted that she will achieve great heights in this world.
But nothing of that sort happened, though she did well in her life as she is govt school teacher on carried.
One example is my mother's kundali. She has 3 planets in exalation and one planet in its own house and all are well placed.
When was born her kundali was shown to some astrologers and each of them predicted that she will achieve great heights in this world.
But nothing of that sort happened, though she did well in her life as she is govt school teacher on carried.
