Means what? I know logic fails if one has a prejudice . Diana was born at 19-45 hrs, Sarkozy at 22-00hrs, not two minutes before or after. They were waiting for the exact time to be on this planet. regardsI am sure you have the same software on your computer on lap top too. It might not be your default software, but I am sure it is on your machine.
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I know logic fails if one has a prejudice - so true. Read my post again, this time without prejudice.
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
B.T.W thanks for confirming that birth time of Diana is @ 19.45 HRS. The lagna is Scorpio. (Not Dhanu - as per K.N.Rao ji.)by anuradha » Tue May 08, 2012 8:55 pm
Means what? I know logic fails if one has a prejudice . Diana was born at 19-45 hrs,
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
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aseem82
Anu ji, here is another brilliant piece by him-Anu ji,
I totally agree with Sri Kn Rao here. I too believe that roddens data are fairly inaccurate. Most politicians and celebrities don't disclose birth times openly. They prefer to keep it highly private. In one instance, one student of Kn rao, had predicted the victory of Nicolas Sarzoky (the birth datas of Sarzoky and Hollande had been collected from the Astro Data Bank website as his website qouted) and failed.
"ETERNAL INDIA 30 - SUPPRESSION OF BIRTH DATA 2
KN RAO
Once in writing an article for the Astrological Magazine I made a reference to the horoscope of late M.G.Ramchandran, a former chief minister of Tamilnadu, with Kumbha lagna and Dr. Raman immediately had the decency to pass on to me the correct birth details of MGR with Kanya lagna as given here.
Why did in the sixties, more particularly the seventies of the last century, the Astrological Magazine carry the wrong (Kumbha lagna) horoscope with a different date and planetary position of MGR by different writers and how and why did Dr.Raman allow it and mislead his readers? I never asked him this uneasy question and he never discussed it but he had the decency to pass on the correct horoscope to me which I had later passed on to late R. Santhanam.
REMEMBER THIS INCIDENT AND LET ME NOT COMMENT ON THIS FURTHER.
In the heart of my hearts, I could never excuse Dr.Raman and the Astrological Magazine for such disinformation. Similarly, the Astrological Magazine carried for more than five years the horoscope of Rajiv Gandhi with Kanya lagna and both Dr. Raman and his daughter Gayatri discussed it lending it some sort of authenticity. In 1991, the lagna was suddenly changed to Simha without any explanation!
How many astro-journalists and writers of books of astrology can say that they use only authentic data ? Except me, who has admitted in writing my failed predictions and apologized can you show me similar examples? Why do we offer excuses and seek shelter behind stupid excuses and explanations ?
Sanjay Rath who used to consult me along with his father till 1986 (he never discussed astrology as he did not know it till then is my clear impression) had sent me a book some Crux etc. containing many wrong horoscopes like that of Mother Teresa with Makar lagna and exalted Moon in the fifth and Venus in the seventh. I had raised in the jyotish list of Ben Collins a question how could Mother Teresa remain unmarried if that was the correct horoscope. The only correct horoscope of Mother Teresa that has even been used is in the book Famous Women (out of print) because after considerable research the birth data was collected.
Similarly Sanjay discussed the Dhanu lagna horoscope of late R.Santhanam, the astrologer for whom I had got a job in a hotel through a friend and whom I had launched into astrological journalism by recommending his name to edit Your Astrologer a monthly now defunct. After learning the tricks of trade there, Santhanam picked up enough courage to launch the Times of Astrology. Santhanam often discussed his own horoscope with me and the correct one is given here. But Sanjay used it with Dhanu lagna and dashed off something.
Santhanam whom politicians never trusted got some important political horoscopes from me and, inspite of his promise not to use them, used them in his monthly magazine. We parted company rather bitterly. He kept up that enmity with me till his death. He came from a priestly family of Tirupati and his acts had antagonized everyone in his orthodox parental family. All these are well reflected in his Vrischika lagna horoscope which he had given me. He had no sense of gratitude for anyone ever in his life. That is human nature and this from a man who owed his journalistic career to me along with the hotel job !!
How I was misled
I have fallen victim to such wrong data when some dishonest astrologers passed on to me the horoscopes of important political leaders, particularly of the late Jagjiwan Ram.
It keeps happening and some of my predictions collapse because of this.
So many of us use the Karka lagna horo scope of Sonia Gandhi which Rodden even gives A rating. But the late Giridhari Lal Goswami who had all the authentic horoscopes of the Nehru Gandhi dynasty said that it was wrong ! What do you do in such a case ? Then do you know the controversy surrounding the date of birth of Manmohan Singh, the prime minister of India ?
Never run after the horoscopes of celebrities unless it comes from very authentic source and is doubly verified by you. Or I will trust the supernormal powers of Karveji whom I respect and who has given us some valuable horoscopic data.
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aseem82
contd.
Why does this happen ?
Indian politicians who have strong belief in astrology have stronger belief that their enemies can cause damage to them through maran and ucchatam (black magic) (Tantric rituals) in their weak astrological periods as hinted at even in some astrological book, perhaps, Narapati Jayacharya.
This belief may have haunted Atal Behari Vajpayee who passed on repeatedly his birth year as 1925 and 1926 with a time which gave Tula lagna. Of course there are great "guessologists" in India, particularly Delhi, who claim to have made great prediction on this basis. I got one with Vrischika lagna and 1924 as the year of birth and reeled off all correct predictions about him except in 2004 when, more out of irritation than any other reason, my political predictions went wrong four of five times in five years. Irritation because none of these hypocrites, politicians or astrologers, even helped me even half percent to fight the case of astrology in the Supreme Court in November 2003. I had to do it all single handed with the Human Resources Ministry under Murali Mahohar Joshi not even preparing a defence of astrology on astrological grounds with the University Grants Commission and a long list their empannelled lawyers !! That is Joshiji’s love and respect for astrology !!
See even now how Atalji’s birth details are mentioned in different websites. Atal Behari Vajpayee A brief Profile [Atal Bihari Vajpayee - The Poet | Hindi Poetry | English Translation Childhood & Education - Shri. Atal Behari Vajpayee was born on 25 December 1926, at Gwalior in Madhya Pradesh. He was educated at Victoria (now Laximbai) College, Gwalior and D.A.V. College, Kanpur. He holds a M.A. degree. Shri. Vajpayee has remained bachelor. He also worked as a Journalist and as a social worker. In 1942, he was arrested during the freedom movement.
Why does this happen ?
Indian politicians who have strong belief in astrology have stronger belief that their enemies can cause damage to them through maran and ucchatam (black magic) (Tantric rituals) in their weak astrological periods as hinted at even in some astrological book, perhaps, Narapati Jayacharya.
This belief may have haunted Atal Behari Vajpayee who passed on repeatedly his birth year as 1925 and 1926 with a time which gave Tula lagna. Of course there are great "guessologists" in India, particularly Delhi, who claim to have made great prediction on this basis. I got one with Vrischika lagna and 1924 as the year of birth and reeled off all correct predictions about him except in 2004 when, more out of irritation than any other reason, my political predictions went wrong four of five times in five years. Irritation because none of these hypocrites, politicians or astrologers, even helped me even half percent to fight the case of astrology in the Supreme Court in November 2003. I had to do it all single handed with the Human Resources Ministry under Murali Mahohar Joshi not even preparing a defence of astrology on astrological grounds with the University Grants Commission and a long list their empannelled lawyers !! That is Joshiji’s love and respect for astrology !!
See even now how Atalji’s birth details are mentioned in different websites. Atal Behari Vajpayee A brief Profile [Atal Bihari Vajpayee - The Poet | Hindi Poetry | English Translation Childhood & Education - Shri. Atal Behari Vajpayee was born on 25 December 1926, at Gwalior in Madhya Pradesh. He was educated at Victoria (now Laximbai) College, Gwalior and D.A.V. College, Kanpur. He holds a M.A. degree. Shri. Vajpayee has remained bachelor. He also worked as a Journalist and as a social worker. In 1942, he was arrested during the freedom movement.
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aseem82
contd.
Jana Sangh & BJP – http://www.hindustan.org/index/abpprofile.htm Prime minister of India Bihari also spelled Behari born December 25, 1924, Gwalior, Madhya Pradesh, India http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... i-Vajpayee
I used the 1924 as the year of birth and Vrischika lagna which is given in his biography in Hindi.
For my failed predictions I have to blame myself always particularly when in 1978 the late Uma Shankar Dixit (father in law of Sheila Dixit chief minister of Delhi) and a former Home Minister of India had told me, since he had known me from my childhood in Lucknow, that many astrologer-spies were planted in Delhi by both the government of India and foreign espionage agencies to do all types of nefarious activities except astrology but behind the facade of manufactured astrological screen and fabricated reputations. He had told me some names out of which all except one is still alive and is now out of favour. But he keeps barking his predictions with the help of a member of parliament.
Understand, then why and how we get misled.
Moghul Period: Saffronization ?
One of the arguments of Indian communist against the introduction of astrology in the universities in the Supreme Court was that it would lead to saffronization (meaning conversion to Hinduism). In arguing in the Supreme Court, one of my arguments was that emperor Humayun. the father of emperor Akbar, had learnt Hindu astrology and made predictions about himself. His wife, mother of Akbar (Hamida Banu) misled people by circulating the wrong birth day of Akbar to protect the child from evil machinations of his enemies.
No one calls Moghul period of Indian history a saffronised period.
Not understanding this, English and Indian historians debated whether Akbar was born in October or November of 1542. If they had known astrology or had taken the help of astronomer-astrologer they could have seen that the horoscope given in Akbar Nama by Jyotik Rai, the Hindu court astrologer of Akbar and later Jehangir, clearly gives us 15 October 1542 ( Hindu dates have to be converted) which date could be cross checked through other horoscopes using sayana longitudes by some Arab astrologers again in Akbar Nama.
My further argument was that Hindu Brahmins studying allopathy would become Christians, extending the communist argument, because they are studying a system of medicine which has come from Christian countries Not to annoy the judges of the Supreme Court I did not say that we all, speaking and writing in English, were Christians extending the communist arguments.
Politicians, lawyers and men in the media need not insist on the validity of their data, arguments or "source". "Truth" for them is what clicks and strikes on the spur of a moment.
Are we astrologers swimming with and in this current of acceptable falsehoods ? In this mercenary era of television and commercial and internet astrology, must we become corrupt to survive and must commit the profane act of defiling a rishi tradition of jyotisha ?
(5 March 2010)"
http://journalofastrology.com/article.p ... cle_id=279
Jana Sangh & BJP – http://www.hindustan.org/index/abpprofile.htm Prime minister of India Bihari also spelled Behari born December 25, 1924, Gwalior, Madhya Pradesh, India http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... i-Vajpayee
I used the 1924 as the year of birth and Vrischika lagna which is given in his biography in Hindi.
For my failed predictions I have to blame myself always particularly when in 1978 the late Uma Shankar Dixit (father in law of Sheila Dixit chief minister of Delhi) and a former Home Minister of India had told me, since he had known me from my childhood in Lucknow, that many astrologer-spies were planted in Delhi by both the government of India and foreign espionage agencies to do all types of nefarious activities except astrology but behind the facade of manufactured astrological screen and fabricated reputations. He had told me some names out of which all except one is still alive and is now out of favour. But he keeps barking his predictions with the help of a member of parliament.
Understand, then why and how we get misled.
Moghul Period: Saffronization ?
One of the arguments of Indian communist against the introduction of astrology in the universities in the Supreme Court was that it would lead to saffronization (meaning conversion to Hinduism). In arguing in the Supreme Court, one of my arguments was that emperor Humayun. the father of emperor Akbar, had learnt Hindu astrology and made predictions about himself. His wife, mother of Akbar (Hamida Banu) misled people by circulating the wrong birth day of Akbar to protect the child from evil machinations of his enemies.
No one calls Moghul period of Indian history a saffronised period.
Not understanding this, English and Indian historians debated whether Akbar was born in October or November of 1542. If they had known astrology or had taken the help of astronomer-astrologer they could have seen that the horoscope given in Akbar Nama by Jyotik Rai, the Hindu court astrologer of Akbar and later Jehangir, clearly gives us 15 October 1542 ( Hindu dates have to be converted) which date could be cross checked through other horoscopes using sayana longitudes by some Arab astrologers again in Akbar Nama.
My further argument was that Hindu Brahmins studying allopathy would become Christians, extending the communist argument, because they are studying a system of medicine which has come from Christian countries Not to annoy the judges of the Supreme Court I did not say that we all, speaking and writing in English, were Christians extending the communist arguments.
Politicians, lawyers and men in the media need not insist on the validity of their data, arguments or "source". "Truth" for them is what clicks and strikes on the spur of a moment.
Are we astrologers swimming with and in this current of acceptable falsehoods ? In this mercenary era of television and commercial and internet astrology, must we become corrupt to survive and must commit the profane act of defiling a rishi tradition of jyotisha ?
(5 March 2010)"
http://journalofastrology.com/article.p ... cle_id=279
I think people dont understand how the Rodden rating works. The rodden rating has 7 different categories , of which I use only two. Let me explain them.
When the data is rated A - I always cross check the data and cross verify the time and the data with at least two other astrologers who have used it.
The rest of the categories - i ignore.
for those of you interested you can read about rodden by clicking the link given below.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Help:RR
AA - Data as recorded by the family or state. This includes BC (birth certificate), and BR (birth record), that which is not an official document but a quote of the birth record from the Registrar or Bureau of Records, the baptismal certificate, family Bible, or baby book. These data reflect the best available accuracy.
A - Data as quoted by the person, kin, friend, or associate. These data all come from someone's memory, family legend, or hearsay. The quote may be substantiated by a qualifying statement such as, "My grandfather wanted me to be born on his birthday and my mother said that I almost made it. I was born three minutes before midnight." When the information comes from an astrologer's client, it is considered reliable, since a client is investing money for the astrologer's time and expertise. When the quote is from a public figure given in public, it may be questionable. Please keep in mind that public figures, especially politicians, answer a question in public to be accommodating; therefore, the time given may not be accurate. When the quote is from one of a group of people who were asked casually, it might be questionable. Rounded-off time such as 6 AM or midnight might also be questionable.
When the data is rated A - I always cross check the data and cross verify the time and the data with at least two other astrologers who have used it.
The rest of the categories - i ignore.
for those of you interested you can read about rodden by clicking the link given below.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Help:RR
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Comming to other astrologers using Supposedly wrong data as alleged by K.N.Rao ji, the question still remains - How is it that both K.N.Rao ji and the other astrologers manage to explain the events of a persons life - with two or more different lagnas ?
Who is right and who is wrong ?
It is left to the reader to decide who is right and who is wrong. In Diana's case three reputed astrologers have used three different Lagnas and have explained every event of her life. The beauty is that there is no prediction to be made since she is dead.
The same with Osama bin laden. not only have astrologers used different lagnas some have used different dates and still managed to explain all the events of his life.
. My simple question is this - how is that possible ?
Who is right and who is wrong ?
It is left to the reader to decide who is right and who is wrong. In Diana's case three reputed astrologers have used three different Lagnas and have explained every event of her life. The beauty is that there is no prediction to be made since she is dead.
The same with Osama bin laden. not only have astrologers used different lagnas some have used different dates and still managed to explain all the events of his life.
. My simple question is this - how is that possible ?Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Could it also be that the data is right ( Rodden rates both data's AA ) and the student is incompetent ??. There are times when we cant predict events with our own data, let alone a politicians chance of winner an election.In one instance, one student of Kn rao, had predicted the victory of Nicolas Sarzoky (the birth datas of Sarzoky and Hollande had been collected from the Astro Data Bank website as his website qouted) and failed.
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Of course these pronouncements were 100% true. Imagine, that Shri. Karve Guruji did not know at all whom the native was that we were talking about, neither did he have her birth data in advance. He first "arrived at" the birth data. To top it all, he could provide astrological reasons as to how and why he made these pronouncements - and believe me, these included no dashas, complicated techniques,
stretching or extrapolating significations, etc. After this chart Mike Conney (one of our senior Jyotishi students) called me over and whispered to me if Shri. Karve Guruji could "fix" Princess Diana's birth data. As all would know, Princess Diana's birth data had been a subject of raging controversy at that time. Various lagnas and the corresponding charts were being discussed.
Many Jyotishis had committed themselves to some birth data or the other, each with eminently credible reasons. Shri. K. N. Rao had claimed Sagittarius Lagna [ascendant] in one of his books some time ago. Dr. Charak published Vrishchik [scorpio] Lagna in his book. Lagnas were being tossed back and forth. Of course, all Jyotishis claimed to be right and had as usual, justified their respective preferences using complicated principles, rules, techniques and reasoning. In that class, I asked Shri. Karve Guruji about this chart I said "there is this woman whose birth data we all want to know". Shri. Karve Guruji said "Okay.draw a chart on the chalkboard as I tell you to. Write the Lagna as Kanya
there are 3 planets in the 5th. Saturn and Jupiter are there". He then located the birth date and then the rest of the planets. Lastly, he got to the Moon and said that it was in Makar. He gave the time as 2:10 pm. About her, he pronounced the following after the chart was ready:a) She is a woman, b) She is well-known and of elevated status, c) She is not alive. d) She died in an accident, e) There were three others with her in the car and only one of them survived. f) She has two sons. g) she had enjoyed substantial comforts (implying - with a man) for sometime before she died. No dashaas, no transits, no divisional charts, no complicated and cumbersome techniques. Just the bare essential and elegant astrological reasons, which he rattled off in his (and my) native language (Marathi), with which I gasped to keep up while translating to English
stretching or extrapolating significations, etc. After this chart Mike Conney (one of our senior Jyotishi students) called me over and whispered to me if Shri. Karve Guruji could "fix" Princess Diana's birth data. As all would know, Princess Diana's birth data had been a subject of raging controversy at that time. Various lagnas and the corresponding charts were being discussed.
Many Jyotishis had committed themselves to some birth data or the other, each with eminently credible reasons. Shri. K. N. Rao had claimed Sagittarius Lagna [ascendant] in one of his books some time ago. Dr. Charak published Vrishchik [scorpio] Lagna in his book. Lagnas were being tossed back and forth. Of course, all Jyotishis claimed to be right and had as usual, justified their respective preferences using complicated principles, rules, techniques and reasoning. In that class, I asked Shri. Karve Guruji about this chart I said "there is this woman whose birth data we all want to know". Shri. Karve Guruji said "Okay.draw a chart on the chalkboard as I tell you to. Write the Lagna as Kanya
there are 3 planets in the 5th. Saturn and Jupiter are there". He then located the birth date and then the rest of the planets. Lastly, he got to the Moon and said that it was in Makar. He gave the time as 2:10 pm. About her, he pronounced the following after the chart was ready:a) She is a woman, b) She is well-known and of elevated status, c) She is not alive. d) She died in an accident, e) There were three others with her in the car and only one of them survived. f) She has two sons. g) she had enjoyed substantial comforts (implying - with a man) for sometime before she died. No dashaas, no transits, no divisional charts, no complicated and cumbersome techniques. Just the bare essential and elegant astrological reasons, which he rattled off in his (and my) native language (Marathi), with which I gasped to keep up while translating to English
Let me share with you people, an incident that happened a few months ago. A friend of mine was doing some research on Chandra causing Dysthymia (Mild - chronic depression), and was collecting charts of people with this kind of disorder. She sent me the details of a person and revealed that he had a Bachelor of Science degree in mechanical engineering, from west point and also a doctorate of science degree in astronautics from Massachusetts Institute of Technology. I have enclosed the horoscope below
[attachment=1]T.C. B.A..jpg[/attachment]
She asked me what I thought of Chandra's condition in the chart. She was confused because Guru's aspect was on the Moon and yet he suffered bouts of depression. However I was not interested in answering her question. My focus fell on the 8th house of the horoscope. The 4th and the 5th lord were in the 8th house. The 5th house is the house of ""intelligence / intellect"". No doubt, Shukra and Budha form a DharmaKarmadipati yoga. There is Nipuna yoga present, but Budha is 80 Pct. combust. Both Yogas occur in the 8th house. How strong can that yoga be?
Another point that struck me was that Budha was debilitated in the Navamsha. Surely I felt, the Time of birth was wrong. The Lagna is at 3 Deg 50. The Lagna had shifted to Mithuna just 16 minutes back. Could there be a birth time error? Sometimes a error of 30 minutes is nothing, depending on where the person is born.
Taurus Lagna looked promising. I asked her how the married life of the man was. She revealed that the man had married thrice. , and had been divorced all three times. .
The disaster in marriage could be explained from both lagnas. If the Lagna was Taurus, Kuja the 7th lord gets placed in the 8th house with Shani. If the Lagna was indeed Mithuna, 6th lord and the 8th lord in the 7th could explain the disaster in the realms of married life.
Still Taurus Lagna looked tempting because the 9th house would now have the upper hand. The Lagna lord, the 2nd and the 5th lord, and the 4th lord would combine together to form many Raja Yogas and Dhana Yogas in the 9th house. It also explained how he got his doctorate from M.I.T.
When i told her that I felt that the Lagna was Taurus and not Mithuna, she asked me what the logic to Taurus Lagna was. I told her, Taurus Lagna is a better fit to explain his intelligence, and his academic qualifications. I told her that the 8th house, being a black hole of a horoscope could never explain why the man succeeded in his academics.
I quoted chapter 12 sloka 60 from Jataka Parijata "" If the lord of the 4th bhava occupy a (Dusthana) or be associated with or aspected by a malefic planet, the person concerned will be devoid of learning.""
The reply was stunning to say the least She said ""we students of astrology have this irresistible and dangerous pastime of trying to analyse every life event from a horoscope. No consideration is paid for Free will, that a man can create new Karmas, and how the Upachaya houses have been used. More dangerous, we ignore the basic dictums of astrology and rattle off whatever is convenient to us. You have ignored to focus on what yogas are present in the horoscope from the Chandra lagna..""
She quoted Jataka Parijata chapter 13 sloka 67 - ""If the lord of the 5th bhava occupy a Dusthana or be in the invisible portion of the hemisphere, the person born will have a rather dull understanding. But if the planet in question be associated with Mercury or Jupiter in a Kendra or Kona position and have strength, the person born will be intelligent""
She then quoted a sloka from Brihat Jataka - chapter 20 sloka 6 "" If Mercury be in the eighth house from the Ascendant, the native will become qualified and famous.""
Then to add insult to injury she sent me this,
[attachment=0]6.jpg[/attachment]
And finally she reminded me of P.V.N.Rao ji's horoscope where all major yogas occur in the 8 house. For the first time, I Had to admit that I had been hasty in trying to explain events because it fit my convenience.
That incident made me realise that every event could be explained in which ever manner depending on the astrologer's point of View. As we know, no two astrologers share the same point of view, and so Trying to rectify birth times is indeed a dangerous passtime.
[attachment=1]T.C. B.A..jpg[/attachment]
She asked me what I thought of Chandra's condition in the chart. She was confused because Guru's aspect was on the Moon and yet he suffered bouts of depression. However I was not interested in answering her question. My focus fell on the 8th house of the horoscope. The 4th and the 5th lord were in the 8th house. The 5th house is the house of ""intelligence / intellect"". No doubt, Shukra and Budha form a DharmaKarmadipati yoga. There is Nipuna yoga present, but Budha is 80 Pct. combust. Both Yogas occur in the 8th house. How strong can that yoga be?
Another point that struck me was that Budha was debilitated in the Navamsha. Surely I felt, the Time of birth was wrong. The Lagna is at 3 Deg 50. The Lagna had shifted to Mithuna just 16 minutes back. Could there be a birth time error? Sometimes a error of 30 minutes is nothing, depending on where the person is born.
Taurus Lagna looked promising. I asked her how the married life of the man was. She revealed that the man had married thrice.
, and had been divorced all three times. .The disaster in marriage could be explained from both lagnas. If the Lagna was Taurus, Kuja the 7th lord gets placed in the 8th house with Shani. If the Lagna was indeed Mithuna, 6th lord and the 8th lord in the 7th could explain the disaster in the realms of married life.
Still Taurus Lagna looked tempting because the 9th house would now have the upper hand. The Lagna lord, the 2nd and the 5th lord, and the 4th lord would combine together to form many Raja Yogas and Dhana Yogas in the 9th house. It also explained how he got his doctorate from M.I.T.
When i told her that I felt that the Lagna was Taurus and not Mithuna, she asked me what the logic to Taurus Lagna was. I told her, Taurus Lagna is a better fit to explain his intelligence, and his academic qualifications. I told her that the 8th house, being a black hole of a horoscope could never explain why the man succeeded in his academics.
I quoted chapter 12 sloka 60 from Jataka Parijata "" If the lord of the 4th bhava occupy a (Dusthana) or be associated with or aspected by a malefic planet, the person concerned will be devoid of learning.""
The reply was stunning to say the least She said ""we students of astrology have this irresistible and dangerous pastime of trying to analyse every life event from a horoscope. No consideration is paid for Free will, that a man can create new Karmas, and how the Upachaya houses have been used. More dangerous, we ignore the basic dictums of astrology and rattle off whatever is convenient to us. You have ignored to focus on what yogas are present in the horoscope from the Chandra lagna..""
She quoted Jataka Parijata chapter 13 sloka 67 - ""If the lord of the 5th bhava occupy a Dusthana or be in the invisible portion of the hemisphere, the person born will have a rather dull understanding. But if the planet in question be associated with Mercury or Jupiter in a Kendra or Kona position and have strength, the person born will be intelligent""
She then quoted a sloka from Brihat Jataka - chapter 20 sloka 6 "" If Mercury be in the eighth house from the Ascendant, the native will become qualified and famous.""
Then to add insult to injury she sent me this,
[attachment=0]6.jpg[/attachment]
And finally she reminded me of P.V.N.Rao ji's horoscope where all major yogas occur in the 8 house. For the first time, I Had to admit that I had been hasty in trying to explain events because it fit my convenience.
That incident made me realise that every event could be explained in which ever manner depending on the astrologer's point of View. As we know, no two astrologers share the same point of view, and so Trying to rectify birth times is indeed a dangerous passtime.
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Deepak(Astroboy),
I also read Srinivas Rao's post in donor section about this dosha.
Kendradipathi and Kendradipathya Dosha
The example of Sg ascendant person he gave is very true in another cases. I have a chart with Sg Asc
27-Nov-1975, 8:43 AM , Lucknow in which Ju is placed in 4H in pisces.
He mentioned that this placement will give vidya bhanga and shetler/house bhanga.
I know if Ju is lagna lord he should not have this blemish but it turned out to be differently.
This is absolutely right in this case. There was a break in the education on this person. Also his mother did not have a house till 1989. He lived in his maternal grand parents house from 1983 to 1989.
The break in education was self inflicted. He cleared a competitive exam but chose not to join the course. He was very good in studies and very good student. He did ultimately join an Engineering College after 2 yrs of break and graduated with honours.
I could never explain this really well but when I read this post it just felt this was the explanation I what looking for. Of course there are other factors. His D-24 is also good.
Hi Mercury is in 12th house, is badhakesh and with 9H lord Sun.
This i believe is good for mercury.
First it is forming DK yoga.
Secondly combust badhakesh in 12H is considered good
Third as per Srinivas Rao's post placement in 12H will good give results
As per Khoo - Mercury's association with trinal lord Su reduces the blemish of this dosha
And I had been holding Mercury responsible for a lot of issue .
The twist to this is Ju is neecha in D-9 in 8H. So the ultimate fruit cannot be 100% good. Health problems are must. His Mercury on the other hand is exalted in D-9 and in kendra though it is lord of 64th navamsa and with Sa. So it has has potential to destroy.
I also read Srinivas Rao's post in donor section about this dosha.
Kendradipathi and Kendradipathya Dosha
The example of Sg ascendant person he gave is very true in another cases. I have a chart with Sg Asc
27-Nov-1975, 8:43 AM , Lucknow in which Ju is placed in 4H in pisces.
He mentioned that this placement will give vidya bhanga and shetler/house bhanga.
I know if Ju is lagna lord he should not have this blemish but it turned out to be differently.
This is absolutely right in this case. There was a break in the education on this person. Also his mother did not have a house till 1989. He lived in his maternal grand parents house from 1983 to 1989.
The break in education was self inflicted. He cleared a competitive exam but chose not to join the course. He was very good in studies and very good student. He did ultimately join an Engineering College after 2 yrs of break and graduated with honours.
I could never explain this really well but when I read this post it just felt this was the explanation I what looking for. Of course there are other factors. His D-24 is also good.
Hi Mercury is in 12th house, is badhakesh and with 9H lord Sun.
This i believe is good for mercury.
First it is forming DK yoga.
Secondly combust badhakesh in 12H is considered good
Third as per Srinivas Rao's post placement in 12H will good give results
As per Khoo - Mercury's association with trinal lord Su reduces the blemish of this dosha
And I had been holding Mercury responsible for a lot of issue .
The twist to this is Ju is neecha in D-9 in 8H. So the ultimate fruit cannot be 100% good. Health problems are must. His Mercury on the other hand is exalted in D-9 and in kendra though it is lord of 64th navamsa and with Sa. So it has has potential to destroy.
Regards,
Ghrishneswar
Ghrishneswar
Girishneshwar ji, thank you for providing us with this interesting case for analysis. When I started writing about kendradhipathya dosha in the Donors section, I was doing something that I dont normally do. I was going against my Guru's school of thought. Not only was I going against my Guru's school of thought, I was also going against another friend and fellow student of astrology on a critical point. Let me explain that point to you.
Sage Parashara has said that a Kendra lord who owns a Kendra and a Trikona, or simply, a Trikona lord, will always do good to the native.
Let us take the case of a Dhanu Lagna. Guru becomes the lord of the lagna, and hence becomes a kendra and a Trikona lord. My contention was that Guru, even though he owned two kendras, will not cause harm to the native, or rather, does not come under the preview of a Kendradhipathya dosha. Both disagreed with me and said that I was not correct because Guru is a Trikona lord only as far as the Lagna is concerned, but as the 4th lord, Guru will cause trouble to the 4th house.
In the case you have given us, It seems to me that they have a point. I want to ask you, How was his Moon dasha ?
Best regards,
Sage Parashara has said that a Kendra lord who owns a Kendra and a Trikona, or simply, a Trikona lord, will always do good to the native.
Let us take the case of a Dhanu Lagna. Guru becomes the lord of the lagna, and hence becomes a kendra and a Trikona lord. My contention was that Guru, even though he owned two kendras, will not cause harm to the native, or rather, does not come under the preview of a Kendradhipathya dosha. Both disagreed with me and said that I was not correct because Guru is a Trikona lord only as far as the Lagna is concerned, but as the 4th lord, Guru will cause trouble to the 4th house.
In the case you have given us, It seems to me that they have a point. I want to ask you, How was his Moon dasha ?
Best regards,
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
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Astroboy,
Why did you ask about moon dasa?I had read that sun and moon are not blemished by 8h ownership which i find hard to believe but moon seems to have functioned differently here. Can you throw some light?
Why did you ask about moon dasa?I had read that sun and moon are not blemished by 8h ownership which i find hard to believe but moon seems to have functioned differently here. Can you throw some light?
Regards,
Ghrishneswar
Ghrishneswar
Thanks for that extensive feedback Girishneshwar ji. 
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Astroboy ji,
My personal experience with Kendradhipati dosha is that it will not deny you what you are looking for but will do something even more sinister. After getting what you want you will either not enjoy it or will give it up due to bad decision or circumstances.
In terms of education I have studied in best of institutes but unable to utilise it. After 12th standard I had cleared all competitive exmas in Engineering and Medical(Except AIIMS). Passionately wanted to be a doctor but had to join mechanical engineering at DCE due to messy family circumstances. Completed my engineering with just managing a 1st class(Unlike school where I was a 95% till 10th standard).
Also Some bad decisions saw me not joining IIM´s not once but twice and also to leave a very coveted job in Delhi Metro.
However in terms of pure trauma my Budha dasa-Guru antardasa takes the cake(I am Dhanu Lagna). My brother got involved with a daughter of a powerful politician and this was scandalous. We were hounded out of our wits, had to sell our house, shelled out a lot of money for legal fees and all.
So in all ,my buddha Dasa gave me Very good education which I couldnt utilise and also couldn't concentrate much on.Apart from that in this whole Dasha life has been in fire fighting mode . I am not saying it is solely the effect of KP dosha, there must be other factors as well. I also take full responsibilty for some really bad decisions. Just that I thought I can share my own experience of dasha of a KP lord.
Regards
Abhisheik
My personal experience with Kendradhipati dosha is that it will not deny you what you are looking for but will do something even more sinister. After getting what you want you will either not enjoy it or will give it up due to bad decision or circumstances.
In terms of education I have studied in best of institutes but unable to utilise it. After 12th standard I had cleared all competitive exmas in Engineering and Medical(Except AIIMS). Passionately wanted to be a doctor but had to join mechanical engineering at DCE due to messy family circumstances. Completed my engineering with just managing a 1st class(Unlike school where I was a 95% till 10th standard).
Also Some bad decisions saw me not joining IIM´s not once but twice and also to leave a very coveted job in Delhi Metro.
However in terms of pure trauma my Budha dasa-Guru antardasa takes the cake(I am Dhanu Lagna). My brother got involved with a daughter of a powerful politician and this was scandalous. We were hounded out of our wits, had to sell our house, shelled out a lot of money for legal fees and all.
So in all ,my buddha Dasa gave me Very good education which I couldnt utilise and also couldn't concentrate much on.Apart from that in this whole Dasha life has been in fire fighting mode . I am not saying it is solely the effect of KP dosha, there must be other factors as well. I also take full responsibilty for some really bad decisions. Just that I thought I can share my own experience of dasha of a KP lord.
Regards
Abhisheik
Thanks for that extensive feed back Abhishek. I must say, you are the first person on this forum other than me who, is willing to take full responsibilty for some really bad decisions (which is independent of planetary influence). Hats off to you.
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
