Can you figure out if the birth chart belongs to a boy/girl

[JupiterLight]

Hello,

I was thinking,
If at a random point, im givena kundli without Birth time and no info of Sex.

1) can i figure out if its day or night birth

2) if its a boy or a girl


I asked the first Q on this post, and i thank all those who answered... http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... =1&t=10364


Anyone knows about gender??

[swamykool]

Hi JL,

Add the numbers of Lagna rashi + Surya rashi + Rahu rashi and divide the quotient by 4. If the remainder is 0 or 2 - female. If it is 1 or 3 - male. Take the natural zodiac for the rashi numbers. Eg. Lg-Libra (7), Sun - Tau (2), Rahu - Cap (10). So 7+2+10=19. 19/4 remainder 3 thus male.

This is a formula given in the Lal Kitab. In my experience it is more like a fun formula, works in 80% of the cases, doesn't work for 20%.

swamykool

[Humannature]

Hi JL,

Add the numbers of Lagna rashi + Surya rashi + Rahu rashi and divide the quotient by 4. If the remainder is 0 or 2 - female. If it is 1 or 3 - male. Take the natural zodiac for the rashi numbers. Eg. Lg-Libra (7), Sun - Tau (2), Rahu - Cap (10). So 7+2+10=19. 19/4 remainder 3 thus male.

This is a formula given in the Lal Kitab. In my experience it is more like a fun formula, works in 80% of the cases, doesn't work for 20%.

swamykool

I checked four charts...worked for 2 n did not for the other 2, assuming birth details r accurate

[sandhya1]

Doesn't work for me either...

[anuradha]

e: Can you figure out if the birth chart belongs to a boy/g
by swamykool » 210511

Hi JL,

Add the numbers of Lagna rashi + Surya rashi + Rahu rashi and divide the quotient by 4. If the remainder is 0 or 2 - female. If it is 1 or 3 - male. Take the natural zodiac for the rashi numbers. Eg. Lg-Libra (7), Sun - Tau (2), Rahu - Cap (10). So 7+2+10=19. 19/4 remainder 3 thus male.

This is a formula given in the Lal Kitab. In my experience it is more like a fun formula, works in 80% of the cases, doesn't work for 20%.

swamykool

Coolji, Thanks for sharing this. Further we can see by looking the Lagna and Navmansha sign, for a''Male'' both should not be of even and for a'' Female'' both should not be odd. I have not tested it much, but lets see. Both the rules if we apply in chronology, fails to give result on the chart of Astroboy. regards

[Dr Neeraj]

Dear Friends

First thing it is possble. Dr BV Raman has talked about it in his autobiography where people asked him whether this native is male or female OR dead or alive?

Sh VP Goel (Senior Faculty, Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan, Delhi) has given that if time is 100% correct then make D-108 (its D-9 of D-12). If lagna is even, its female else male.

How to find D-108 is given in book of "Divisional Charts" by Sh VP Goel.

God bless you
Neeraj

[sandhya1]

Thanks Dr. Neeraj
So, that means, if with the data i have, i get my D-108 lagna , as 'odd' one, my time of birth is off by a few seconds or minutes? (I am a girl).. I m getting my D-108 lagna as Aries.. so i was wondering..

[Dr Neeraj]

Dear Sandhya

I always wonder how we note the TOB? There're several opinions regarding it but the mostly its believed to be when the cord is cut. But at that time, everyone's priority is to same mother & kid and never noting the exact TOB. Hence Sh KN Rao says Always believe you're working on approximate TOB.

Now the problem is that this minor fluctuations sometimes create differences of months in vimshottari dasha.

Sh VP Goel has written an excellent book on "Unraveling puzzle of Longevity" But again its techniques work on TOB which is never 100% correct.

But I'm a firm believer that formules given in Vedic astrology are perfect but they work on exact details only.

BTW you calculated D-108 using which software?

Regards
Neeraj

[Dev]

I just noticed that I also have my D108 lagna as even but then some astrologer in this forum said that I need to correct my time of birth as 2.26 instead of 2.30am. He said, only that would explain correctly my dasamsa. So based on that change, I get my D108 lagna as odd.

Dev

[sandhya1]

HI Dr. Neeraj
I am using Jhora to see D108

[subramanianp]

Hi all
Here is the kerala way of finding it out.
Condition 1. The Lagna navamsa rasi should be a YUGMA rasi.
Condition 2. majority of the SHADVARGA lords of Lagna should be female planets.
If both conditions gets satisfied then the native is a female.
Otherwise it is of a boy.

[Dr Neeraj]

HI Dr. Neeraj
I am using Jhora to see D108

I presumed so. The method given by Sh VP Goel gives different calculations & hence different chart.
BTW i was just thinking how does it matters as we already know our gender

[Humannature]

HI Dr. Neeraj
I am using Jhora to see D108

I presumed so. The method given by Sh VP Goel gives different calculations & hence different chart.
BTW i was just thinking how does it matters as we already know our gender

[sandhya1]

Dr. Neeraj, No i was actually thinking if this method can be used for BTR...

[Dr Neeraj]

Dear Sandhya

I was just kidding For BTR there're various methods but the best fit is one where time is corrected using life events matching. Plz share with other methods you use.

regards
Neeraj

[Spring]

Hi JL,

Add the numbers of Lagna rashi + Surya rashi + Rahu rashi and divide the quotient by 4. If the remainder is 0 or 2 - female. If it is 1 or 3 - male. Take the natural zodiac for the rashi numbers. Eg. Lg-Libra (7), Sun - Tau (2), Rahu - Cap (10). So 7+2+10=19. 19/4 remainder 3 thus male.

This is a formula given in the Lal Kitab. In my experience it is more like a fun formula, works in 80% of the cases, doesn't work for 20%.

swamykool

Works for me.

[sandhya1]

Hello Dr. Neeraj
Thanks for replying to me.
I am just a learner, not an astrologer I don't know which techniques to use for BTR. But yes, most of the good astrologers use the method as u suggested- event matching with the horoscope..! So, i guess, that's the only best one available as of now.. But since, i've seen that in the case of celebrities, different astrologers are able to match all the events of that celebrity's life using different birth details, i wonder, whether even this method is fool-proof or not

[Spring]

Sh VP Goel (Senior Faculty, Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan, Delhi) has given that if time is 100% correct then make D-108 (its D-9 of D-12). If lagna is even, its female else male.

This too works in my case.

[Dev]

Hi Neeraj:

One of my relatives gave birth to a male child and they are very particular about the time since they are very strong believers of astrology. But that kid has all three lagnas as feminine-D1, D9 and D108 calculated from Jhora. Then probably there could be exceptions.

Dev

[Dr Neeraj]

Dear Dev

Plz calculate D-108 as per the method given in book of sh VP Goel. It comes differentl from Jhora D-108.
Secondly which is actual TOB is again controversial as taking birth is a process & not an event. Mostly cutting the cord (which makes the baby as a separate entity) is considered as TOB.

Regards
Neeraj

[ChandraLagna]

Dear Sandhya

I always wonder how we note the TOB? There're several opinions regarding it but the mostly its believed to be when the cord is cut. But at that time, everyone's priority is to same mother & kid and never noting the exact TOB. Hence Sh KN Rao says Always believe you're working on approximate TOB.

Regards
Neeraj

This has always been an interesting topic and pretty widely debated. Here's one view point.

When the baby is born, it has all the tattwas in it already - jala [blood and other fluids], bhumi [ bones, tissues....all solid matter], akasha [the space, b/w muscle, bones etc] ,agni [ the fire, aka digestive power]. The only tattwa missing is vayu..and that is present only after the first breath - so the moment the baby cries and gasps for its first breath - is its TOB.

[Dr Neeraj]

Dear Arun ji

Its really interesting. I just called my cousin who's a doctor to enquire whether a baby breath before birth?
He told me that technically body of baby receives oxygen thru mother's body but that cant be called as breathing. The first breadth thru lungs is only after birth. I asked him what is TOB medically? He replied time when the baby take first breath is TOB.
BTW approx what is the time difference between cutting the cord & first breath? I presume it will be 1-2 min. I checked at random chart in PL7, the difference of 1 min create a difference of 1-5 days of PD level in various lords.
But certainly D-108 will change throughly.

Regards
Neeraj

[astro123]

Dear Arun ji

Its really interesting. I just called my cousin who's a doctor to enquire whether a baby breath before birth?
He told me that technically body of baby receives oxygen thru mother's body but that cant be called as breathing. The first breadth thru lungs is only after birth. I asked him what is TOB medically? He replied time when the baby take first breath is TOB.
BTW approx what is the time difference between cutting the cord & first breath? I presume it will be 1-2 min. I checked at random chart in PL7, the difference of 1 min create a difference of 1-5 days of PD level in various lords.
But certainly D-108 will change throughly.

Regards
Neeraj

@ dr Neeraj

A diff of 1-2 mins in noting the TOB creates a diff at PD level,so probably means that MD & AD timeline may not be enormously affected..But the Asc could change signs if it is on the cusp/border..But an interesting thought by u and thanks a lot for the input again..keep "em coming..!!!

[Dev]

Thanks Neeraj. I will try to refer that book.

Dev

[ChandraLagna]

Dear Neeraj bhai,

Yes indeed, it is typically 2-3 mins by the time the baby takes the first breath. Then, factor in the accuracies of the clock or the wristwatch ..and we know the kind of uncertainties we are dealing with in birth time. Which is why, going to very high divisional charts is fraught with risks. Yes, the PD times change...but again, my belief is it is acceptable to be reasonably accurate than horrendously wrong