Shree CL - for non d30 answer

[mugdha]

thank you for the reply

i also want to know the d30 answer, i have tried to apply what i have read in this topic, however the nodes and guru in the same house have confused me...

but i have posted it in relationships section as per your instructions.

what i am basically trying to do is read on this forum and make sence of my chart. i wonder if this mercury is going to affect my business partnership as well!

Aslo recenly my parents were told that i have KSY...however i read Astroboy's posts regularly and feel that by the definition i do not have KSY

in my chart D30 lord is gemini combust mercury in lagna
in D1 it is 7 n 10th lord. and with 9th lord sun. that should be lucky isnt it?

i am unmarried yet with no interesting prospects currently. However i have done reasonably well in my career as landscape architect.
is d30 mercury reason for delay in marriage?

also in D30 guru rahu n ketu are in 6th house. what would it mean?

thanks in advance
mugdha

[ChandraLagna]

Hello, Mugdha.


You have Saturn in your 7th Bhava [ note this, not the 7th Rasi].

House Cusp Middle End Planets in it

....
4th 4 Ar 33' 36.32" 17 Ar 38' 08.35" 0 Ta 42' 40.39" Ma
5th 0 Ta 42' 40.39" 13 Ta 47' 12.42" 26 Ta 51' 44.45" Ju, Ve
6th 26 Ta 51' 44.45" 9 Ge 56' 16.48" 23 Ge 00' 48.51" Su, Me
7th 23 Ge 00' 48.51" 9 Cn 56' 16.48" 26 Cn 51' 44.45" Sa
....

Note that your 7th Bhava starts at 23 deg in Gemini and ends at 26 deg Cancer and hence Shani is right there. And, as we know, Shani Maharaj is prime cause for delay.

Secondly, Mars occupies 4th House, and Saturn occupies 7th House and mutually aspect each other. This is another strong factor in delay of happiness related to home. This also means that when Mars MD was on, during 1998-2005, it was not able to provide marriage due to Shani Influence.

From Karaka point of view [Venus/Jupiter], 7th lord is Mars, which is placed in 2/12 position to Venus/Jupiter.

Due to these factors, there has been delay.

Coming to your other questions:
1. Nodes together with Jupiter is not something strange. The nodes are mathematical points and they are always in same house in D-30 for everyone. They are also in same house in D5 and D6, you can check it yourself.

2. You dont have Kala Sarpa Yoga.

[astroboy]

Good day to you Arun Bhai, Good day Mugdha,

Before I start, I want to pay due respects to Arunsg ji. I mean no disrespect to him as I venture to propose an alternative theory to his usage of the Bhava concept. I know a lot of astrologers who have put the Bhava concept to good use. But as Far as I am concerned, I have to express my reservations on its usage.

Having said that, I am fully aware that the K.P. system starts its Bhavas based on the degree of the lagna. Thus, I shall reserve my comment on the use of the ""Bhava or chalit chart"" as we call it.

Mugdha, In your case, I want to use an alternative theory as to why marriage has not taken place yet.

The lagna is Dhanu,
The 7th lord is Budha,
Shani is in the 8th house. The 8th house is the “"mangalaya stana"",
Shani always causes a delay to the significations of the house he is in, Thus there is a delay in the wearing of the Mangalaya.
Shani is in Ashlesha Nakshatra,
Ashlesha is ruled by Budha,
Budha is the 7th lord,
Shani gains access to the 7th house Via the Nakshatra relationship, and the 8th house which is the Mangalaya stana,
The 7th lord Budha is highly combust,
The 7th lord Budha is in Rahu's Nakshatra,
Rahu is aspected By Shani from the 8th house,
Rahu is in Chitra Nakshatra,
Chitra is ruled By Kuja,
Kuja is aspected By Shani,
The 7th lord Budha is debilitated in the D9

Thus Shani has managed to delay the significations of the 7th house.

Best regards,

[mugdha]

Thank you shree arun and Astroboy (you are back earlier than you said)

astrology is addictive. and i have heard so many theories about my marriage that now i want to understand it myself.

1. Based on your other articles...isnt my lagna and moon in pushkara navamansa?
2. Also my combust budha in pushkara navamansa

3. what confused me about budha is if its in pushakara navmansa it shall be in meena in D9 but will be debilitated...am i correct or i havent understood it properly (also checked out a table in BPL)

4. in that case will moon not have a good influence on my shanidev?

5. also in D1 budha is with surya and in same nakshtra...surya being the 9th lord will it make me lucky in all kinds of partnership or he will still act as seprerator as described in texts

6. one more question is that do i suffer in all partnerships and should i be careful..as i am getting into starting out on my own and in partnership with a male friend.

regards
mugdha

[ChandraLagna]

Good day, Deepak ji

Alternative theory is perfectly OK & its not even a disagreement . In fact, I can also say that there are yet two other explanations.

1. Just look at AV chart. 7H scores 18.
2. UL is conjunct Saturn in D1 and Sat is conjunct AL in Navamsa & either of this combo can delay. Yea, yea...Jaimini...but learn this little gem quite recently and it seems to work quite well! As long as Saturn does not play an active role in both, does it indicate there is delay, but not denial.

Mugdha - Each astrologer has a style - so yes, you can get different explanations, dont let it confuse you. Once you understand and learn more, you will have your own distinct style, too!

In fact, your Budha IS in debilitation navamsa -and also with Ketu, a eunuch planet in so far as marriage goes.

Lets look at your partnership prospects.

Your Lagna lord is Jupiter.

Lord of 7th bhava is Moon.
Juptiter and moon are in 6/8 placement.

Per what Deepak bhai considers, your lord of your 7th house is Mercury.
Even there, Jupiter is 2/12 from Mecury.

So, my 0.02$ would be - take care in any kind of partnership.

[astroboy]

Good day Mugdha,

The fact that I came back earlier than I was supposed to, goes to show how irresistible your horoscope is.

Life comes with its set of Ironies, and just like life, astrology also comes with its set of Ironies. For example, Shani's deep exaltation point is 20 Deg in Tula. But when Shani is in his deep exaltation point, He gets a Debilitated Navamsha. Just goes to show what Kind of Man Shani is. He rarely dishes out anything free.

Now, just like the example I have stated about, it’s a sad Irony that Budha when in Pushkaraamsha, falls in his debilitated sign in the D9. That is just another cruel irony jyotishya dishes out to you. . However, like everything else in Jyotish, one effect and placement will not cancel the other one out. So the Pushkaramsha effects will be dished out parallel with the weakness of Budha that comes with debilitation.

In your case, we are only talking about delay in marriage. Not denial. Rahu is a natural marriage significator and can give marriage. The AD of Shani is critical. Sincere prayers to him will ensure that he will grant you marriage.

And you are right when you say that Lagna and Chandra are in Pushkara Navamsha. However a mere addition of one minute to the birth time, and you will find that the Lagna in the D9 moves to Scorpio, Thus moving out of Pushkaraamsha. Scorpio Lagna In D9 makes sense when you consider that the 7th lord Shukra is posited with Shani. As we know well, Shani causes delays.

[astroboy]

Good day Arun ji,

I have always been weary of the Bhava - Chalit concept. That was re-enforced when I came across this,

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Best regards,

[mugdha]

Sri CL and Astroboy

thank you...so there is hope for me yet.

i have read a lot of queries and answers on this forum about BTR. and i know that Bt can be off in many horoscope.

but my very very concerned and loving neighbour once took me to pune to shri agstya nadi center. and it was a surreal experiance for me. the guy predicted my horoscope ie D1 from my name and thumb imprint and birth palce. he didnt ask for time at all. it was perfect as given in my patrika. so i guess i can assume that my patrika is basically right. and be happy with my moon in pushkara

what is your take on this.

Also i will study some more and will come up with some questions hope you will find time to answer me

[Sujit]

Mugdha
You will get chances to marry next year but I do not see hope you surviving in that marriage for long.
Sujit

[mugdha]

Sujit

what will be the astrological reason for this break....as i said earlier i am just trying to make sence of my chart.

mugdha

[ChandraLagna]

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Mugdha - Apologies for taking this digression, really!

And sorry to other readers for not being able to upload better quality picture

Let me write here:

Q30: How do you find out who is the lord of the Bhava when the Bhava is represented by two Rasis?
Ans: Bhava Madhya represents the central poing of a Bhava. THe lord of the Rasi where the central point falls is the lord of that Bhava

Q29. Define Bhava Chakra
Ans: Bhava Chakra:- Rasi Chakra shows the position of the planets and Lagna but this does not necessarily indicate the twelve Bhavas for which a Bhava Chakra has to be erected. The rules for Bhava Chakra cannot be given here as they are too complicated.

Deepak Bhai: To each his own...some swear by One rasi, one bhava; as shown above B V Raman indicates otherwise- that's his choice. It appeals to me as well.

[mugdha]

no probs at all...if everybody gets to learn more then i will surely beleive what AB said that my chart is INTERSTING indeed

[astroboy]

I have to agree Arun bhai, to each his own. BTW that clip of mine was written By P.V.N.Rao Ji. Its from his Book "Vedic astrology - An intergrated approach" page 77 chapter 7.5.

[astroboy]

Further in the same book on page 162 in chapter 12.8 he (P.V.N.R ji) again rakes up the Topic when he is discussing Astakavarga,

Some people prepare “bhava chakra” or “chalit chakra” using Sripathi’s (or Porphyry’s) house devision method and use that chart to cast ashtakavarga. If Saturn is at 3º in Vi and lagna is at 27º in Le, they are very close and these people argue that Saturn is in the 1st house from lagna and not in the 2nd house. These people make a bhava chakra accordingly and use it in ashtakavarga. However, if lagna is at 15º in Le, Saturn is at 3º in Vi and Jupiter is at 27º in Le, they may take Saturn to be in the 2nd house from
Jupiter. They compute a bhava chakra with multi-sign houses only with respect to lagna and not with respect to all the references used in ashtakavarga. So their approach is neither here nor there.

The stand of this book is very clear – each bhava (house) with respect to one reference can only be in one rasi. Even if Saturn is at 1º in Vi and lagna is at 29º in Le, we still say that the 1st house is in Le, the 2nd house is in Li and Saturn is in the 2nd house (though he is only 2º away from lagna).

We do not recognize the house division methods of Porphyry and others in this book. Each rasi is a house and the 1st
house is the rasi containing the reference.

Readers will do well to follow Maharshi Parasara and ignore the creations and borrowings of later day Indian astrologers[/color]