Tula lagna - Effects of Kuja Veda

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Dear Venkatdvs:

DOB-13-1-1972, 1.20am, Eluru (Andra Pradesh)

Tula Lagna, Vrischika Rashi
Chandra –Neecha (10 th lord)
Shani-Vakri (in 8th)

Vedha to Chandra, budha and shukra (shukra in Kuja Nakshtra) from Kuja

Before analyzing the horoscope, let us see lagna, lagnadipathis Shuddhi.

Lagna: - lagna is in between, neecha Chandra and ketu. Lagna is aspected by kuja from 6th. Shani is sitting in navamsha lagna. Therefore lagna is weak.

Lagnadipathi Shukra in 5th is good. But he is in Papakarthari yoga and papa rashi, that too most malefic planets, rahu and kuja. Any graha in between kuja and rahu, the phala is zero or nirbala or weak. Kuja and rahu are Sarpakaraka, they throw their venoms each other, hence the graha in between will have no strength to come out from it. Ketu is with Shukra in navamsha .Hope u understood. Therefore, Lagnadipathi is also weak.

If Lagnadipathi and Lagna are weak, the owner of the horoscope may not have the strength to experience the good yoga’s in the chart.

Chandra (manokaraka):-Chandra rashiadipathi Kuja in 6th, Chandra’s nakshtradipathi Shani in 8th. (Chandra in Anuradha nakshatra) Shani sees Chandra and rahu aspects shani. Chandra is Neecha. So Chandra is also weak.

When the Lagna, Chandra, and Lagnadipathi are not in good position, the whole horoscopes strength reduced considerably. That is bad.

The owner of this horoscope is born in Kuja Vedha. Chandra and budha is under vedha from kuja the marakadipathi. Lagnadipathi Shukra in kuja (dhanista) nakshatra therefore lagnadipathi is also under veda from kuja. Kuja aspects lagna. Therefore Kujas age is 28-36. Means in this period, owner of this horoscope will have problems after problems. Since Kuja in 6th, there may be accident or wife will have problems.
If u calculates from kuja navamsha to lagna navamsha, the period 11, 12, 28, 36 will have tough time.

U are running Shukra dasha, even though Shukra is lagnadipathi and in trikona and parivarthana yoga he could not give u much because 1) shukra under veda from kuja (shukra in kuja nakshtra), 2) shukra in between extremely papa grahas 3) Shani aspects Shukra from 8th. Therefore Shukra, infact may have given u night mares.

TO BE CONTINUED------------- (Analyse the death of childrens and current dasha in detail)

[Dev]

Hi Srinivas:

The lagna is weak, you said, but it seems to have highest BAV -38. Does it not mean it is strongest according to BAV points?

Dev

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Hi Srinivas:

The lagna is weak, you said, but it seems to have highest BAV -38. Does it not mean it is strongest according to BAV points?

Dev

Mr Dev,

U r right ,in Sarvastaka varga it is having 38 points. Weak means , that bhava donot have shubha drishti or association. It got the points because , Kuja is benific graha for Tula lagna and aspects Lagna. But u must see here is that Kuja Aspects from 6th house(dusthana). After all kuja is the lord of 2nd and 7th--double maraka house and natural malefic graha. Each bava is given points by each planets irrespective of malefic or benefic to the lagna.

For eg: Chandra is having 8 points in Shadbala, that dosent mean Chandra will give the good phala.Chandra is Neecha here and in chandras house Ketu is there. What is the dictum for neecha --that planet wont give the good phala both in bukthi and in maha dasha. It is neecha in rashi and navamsha both ( but it is vargothama)

With Regards.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Raoji,
A question -
You said that any planet between Kuja & Rahu will not do well. Does this hold good only for adjacent houses or any number of them? For Instance, if Kuja is in Lagna and Rahu in 4th house, do all the planets (2nd & 3rd house) also deny any fruits?

Rajithaji:=

THat should be Immediately in between the perticular graha. that is called Papakarthari and not papa madya. In this horoscope , Rahu in makara ,Shukra in Kumba, , kuja in meena--THis is called papakarthariyoga. In ur case it wont happen .

[milredr]

For eg: Chandra is having 8 points in Shadbala, that dosent mean Chandra will give the good phala.Chandra is Neecha here and in chandras house Ketu is there. What is the dictum for neecha --that planet wont give the good phala both in bukthi and in maha dasha. It is neecha in rashi and navamsha both ( but it is vargothama)

Dear Sir,

I have a question on vargottama. I am a little confused. Would be great if you can clarify. Is a debilitated varogottam planet still good? In my opinion, it shouldn't be. It should be the weakest planet if at all. However I am not sure on this. Will wait for your reply Sir. Also does this vary from planet to planet as in, some debilitated vargottam planets are good and some are bad? For eg a debilitated malefic in a good house - should that be considered good?.

Thanks and Regards,

[Dev]

Thanks Srinivas.
Si inspite of Sarvastaka varga having 38 points. that bhava does not have shubha drishti or association and so it will be strong and do bad instead of good, is it not?
But there are so many articles quoting different versions which confuses everyone. Some say, a house with high astavarga is strong and a planet with high astavarga is also strong and will do good even if malefic. A planet with low astavarga like 1 or 2 points will do bad even if functional and natural benefic. So these statements confuse people.
Anyway, I dont know why different schools have different versions. Anyway, they have to probably add points that even if high in astavarga, drishtis of planets are important, if they are negative, then results will be negative and so on.
Anyway I am happy with your explanation and should be the correct one.
Dev

[kandhan]

Sir

Could you elaborate on how is Kuja benefic to Tula Lagna?

Saturn is Yogakaraka. Should his aspect not be considered as beneficial?

Can Sun be strengthened through gems for this native?

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Dear Sir,

I have a question on vargottama. I am a little confused. Would be great if you can clarify. Is a debilitated varogottam planet still good? In my opinion, it shouldn't be. It should be the weakest planet if at all. However I am not sure on this. Will wait for your reply Sir. Also does this vary from planet to planet as in, some debilitated vargottam planets are good and some are bad? For eg a debilitated malefic in a good house - should that be considered good?.

Thanks and Regards

Madam;-

First of all u cannot say deblited planets are weak.It wont show its karakatwa in proper manner.Now for Tula Lagna ,Chandra is the lord of 10th house,in neecha sthana.the owner of this horoscope will have to face problems in job. Either he may not get the job what he wanted or there will be lot of problems in job or he may not have the proper job. Over and above Ketu, the most malefic among malefics is in 10th. Which ever the house Rahu and ketu occupies , they considerably reduces the strength of that house.

Secondly , Neecha Vargothama makes lot of difference. Chandra is neecha not only in rashi but also in navamsha. Here vargothama is bad because of the above placement. Suppose chandra is neecha in rashi chakra but he is in his own house in navamsha. In such case , Chandra is 50% good. No planet should not become neecha in nvamsha. Vargothama never applies when the planet is neecha, the phala is not good .

Rashi chakra is like an apple, it looks good at the outer look. U dont know it is rotten or not. When u cut it u will come to know exactly whether it is good or spoiled, that is Navamsha. Inside thing is navamsha . It is like Laxmi Narayana. Laxmi is not there, if Narayana is not there or vice versa. OR . Can u get clear vision if u look in only one eye. Therefore u cannot predict only from Rashi or Navamsha, both are important.

Vargothama is good if it is not neecha vargothama. Madam all bhavas/ houses are required to lead a good life. Each houses have its own Karakatwas. For eg: u cannot say , u can manage without a little fingure. Each part of the body is important. I hope u understood.

Please be more elaborate as to debilitated malefics. U are refering to which lagna ? One thing u must know is that debilitated planets looses its Karaktwa and acts eratically. Madm thre is lot to say about ur question regarding the Combust Shukra along with ravi in 7th. and kuja in 5th. I cannot explain here , as i dont have the patience to write and make u understand . U ask me when i am with ur friend .

[milredr]

Sir thank you very much. That was beautifully explained. It cleared my doubt completely.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Mr Dev:

Astakvarga is used Mostly for transit/gochara,ayusha and moohortha.

Even u say from Astakavarga, sometimes u may fail in predictions. Reason is-- one should see whether the horoscope is having--Graha Veda , Kranthi, Asthangatha, Uchha, Neecha, SWakshetra. Point is given from each grahas place without taking into the above consideration .After seeing the condition of planets in Original horoscope( Moola Jataka) , only then u can predict any horoscope.

For Eg: - Shukra is Astha / Combust

If Kuja or shani or rahu or ketu in shukra nakshatra

If there is Veda from any one of the above planets.

If born in Vishakanya yoga along with Janma Nakshatra of Aslesha, Moola, Jyesta.

Then u must include this phala and then say astaka varga phala. If not , ur prediction may go wrong. Every planets will give its phala as per its position in Drekkana, Dwadashamsha, Trimshamshamsha, Shodashamsha, Nakshatra Veda, Kranthi, Padmaka Yoga, Kuhu Yoga, etc.

Therefore one should see this and predict the phala.

This requires Guru Seva and Guru Anugraha.

U have asked a very good question, my answer may not be convincing to u, i may be wrong . please correct me if i am wrong.

PLease understand-- when i say Nirbala means Weak and not USELESS.

To analyse any horoscope one requires 2 days atleast. On an aveage a human being lives upto 60 years.. Is it possible to say 60 years phala in few minutes?


With Regards.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Mr Venkat prasadji , today i will say it in different style. Dont worry i will analyse part by part in coming days. I have to type this in the early morning when my wife is fast a sleep.

Kuja sees Lagna --------- Ego, restless, angry, wont bend to any one, Magnanious like Dhana Shoora Karna etc.

Shani sees 10 th house-- Workolic, Some times lazy, no happiness in work, Some times frustrated.

Ravi , Budha, Guru-------Very intelligent.

Shani sees Shukra--------Every thing is there , but there is no peace of mind. May be one day u may loose a valueable thing.

Shani sees the 2nd house-- There is no peace in ur kutumba, problems of money.

Shani sees chandra--- Taking too much into ur mind. Mostly u take only bad instead of good into ur mind .
PLEASE dont this. Be happy. doubtful nature, some times happy and sometimes not happy , variation of ur mind is too much.concentrate on ur wife and child. They have come to u leaving behind every thing. It is ur responsibility to make them HAppy. Sorry please dont misunderstand me.

Ketu sees the 2nd house-- One after another u have to face problems in ur Kutumba.

Ketu in 10th--- Onty Jeevana , u prefers lonely atmosphere, u enjoy working alone without the disturbances by any one.

Kuja in 6th---May be ur brothers become ur Shatru one day

Guru in Agni rashi +12th lord+Badakadipathi--- Problems for Santana.

Rahu in 4th -- problems in education, searching
for happiness, less happiness.

To be continued-------

[Dev]

Dear Raoji:

You have given a wonderful explanation of astavarga. I just asked questions from what I have read and it is easy to ask questions but not easy to answer.
You said:
U have asked a very good question, my answer may not be convincing to u, i may be wrong . please correct me if i am wrong.
See, you are an expert in astrology and I am just a novice. So please dont say so. Just like a student asking doubts to a teacher, I have asked, that is all.
In fact, I want to ask you if my professional problems will be solved and will I continue work at the present place or leave this place. Please let me know.
1-2-62 New Delhi 2.30am
Dev

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Sir thank you very much. That was beautifully explained. It cleared my doubt completely.

Madam;- i dont know whether u understood what i wanted to convey.

1)VARGOTHAMA

While analysing the Vargothama , one should see the followings;-


1) Whether the graha is uchha and vargothama---100% good phala.

2) whether the graha is in shatru navamsha vargothama ------- not good

3) whether the graha is in neecha vargothama----- very bad

Others


1)
1) A graha is ucha in navamsha but neecha in rashi--the graha will give u good phala in its mahadasha or in its bhukthi period.

2) A graha is ucha in rashi but neecha in navamsha-- that graha wiil give u only neecha phala.

3) if the planets rashydipathi is neecha or astha or in shatru rashi, then that planets fail to produce benefics

2)
1) if any planets, (malefic or benefic to the lagna) are in ucha--they provide u the Richness.( my friend may not agree)

2) if they are neecha-- ur income will be wasted for no reason or u may not be able to get sufficient income.

3) If they r in swakshetra-- they cooperates with u.

4) if they are in 1,4,7,10,5,9-- they will help ur overall developments.

5) ----do----- in 3,6,8,12-- they do not cooperate with u and hence u face problems.

6)-----do----- in 2,11-- they become Neutral. Meaning they may become malefic

7) in shatru sthana-- they will bring anxiety and restlessness.

in neecha --problems from many sources.

[milredr]

Dear Guruji,

Sir i have a few doubts: I am assuming all the below mentioned conditions have been made keeping this in mind -
"While analysing the Vargothama , one should see the followings"

1) Whether the graha is uchha and vargothama---100% good phala.

understood.

2) whether the graha is in shatru navamsha------- not good

sir I am assuming this is not for vargottama planets.If its vargothama it will still be exalted in the navamsha right? When you say not good - for eg i have sani in a great friend's house in rasi and great enemy's house in navamsha. What is the result? April 10th, 1973, mangalore, 17.30.

3) whether the graha is in neecha vargothama----- very bad

This was my main doubt, which you clarified in your above post. Thank you

2) 1) A graha is ucha in navamsha but neecha in rashi--the graha will give u good phala in its mahadasha or in its bhukthi period.

Thank you for this. Didnt know.

A graha is ucha in rashi but neecha in navamsha-- that graha wiil give u only neecha phala.

Thank you once again. Didnt know this either.

3) 1) if any planets, (malefic or benefic to the lagna) are in ucha--they provide u the Richness.( my friend may not agree)

Hahaha i was about to ask you about malefic planets when i read your "my friend may not agree". Your friend will say Mars exalted in the 6th - exalted disease, i would say - May be a Major General:). Correct me if I am wrong sir.

3) If they r in swakshetra-- they cooperates with u.

Sir what is swakshetra?

4) if they are in 1,4,7,10,5,9-- they will help ur overall developments.

Irrespective of exalted, debilitated, friendly not friendly?

6)-----do----- in 2,11-- they become Neutral. Meaning they may become malefic

Moon in 11th in his own house and vargottam becomes a malefic and hence is not good?

Thank you once again guruji. Will await your revert.

Warm Regards,
Milred

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Madam:-

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quote="milredr"]Dear Guruji,

If its vargothama it will still be exalted in the navamsha right?

A graha is ucha in rashi but neecha in navamsha-- that graha wiil give u only neecha phala.

Vargothama means , planet is in same rashi both in rashi and navamsha
.

3) If they r in swakshetra-- they cooperates with u.

Sir what is swakshetra?

Planet is in his own house

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quote]4) if they are in 1,4,7,10,5,9-- they will help ur overall developments.

[/quote]

Irrespective of exalted, debilitated, friendly not friendly? [/quote]



But that planet should be Mitra / friendly to the lagna


Ur friend is well read man . It is not easy to argue with him in this subject. If ur friend not pushed me , i wouldnt have come back. At One time i lost all interest in this.


Warm Regards,
P.SRao

[milredr]

Thank you Sir. I know how well read my friend is. I better not argue with him. On a serious note, i have a lot to learn from him, which i will surely. He ofcourse is where he is thanks to you, as per him.And i completely agree with him.

[USR]

I feel the understanding of neecha,neecha&Vargottam and astakavarg is incomplete.The actual effects are not totally exposed,rather misrepresented.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

I feel the understanding of neecha,neecha&Vargottam and astakavarg is incomplete.The actual effects are not totally exposed,rather misrepresented.

Sir, I may be wrong , please explain in detail.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

DEar Venkatdvs:--

Today i will explain Panchama Sthana in brief:--It is also called as Poorvapunya Sthana.

Panchamadipathi shows the value of ur janma in this life.

The graha sees panchama shows us-what we have done before.

Panchamadipathis navamsha rashyadipathi shows-what will happen, and what is going to happen.

If the panchamadipathi is Astha- we donot get poorna phala.

If there is Veda to panchamadipathi - it shows the difficulties we faced in ur previous life during that dasha and bhukthi.

If the PD is poweful and in between papakarthari--showes our suffering in poorva janma, If in shubargale and benific planets sees , then shubha phala.

If lagnadipathi and PD are friends( MOSTLY) good janma , if they are shatru , then we have to face pain from ur childrens.

If PD seen by shubha graha ,we get good santhana because of ur punya phala in previous life.

If PD is aspected by papa graha ,or papakrantha, then we may not get poorna phala from that bhava. We get what we have done in ur previous life.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Lagnadipathi is the lord of 8th also -Swayamkratha Aparadha Jataka . Meaning u r facing problems from ur own actions. Aparadha Sthana is 10th house. Apavada Karaka is Shani . Apavada sthana Ketu is there . 10 th lord is neecha and aspected by Shani. Since Shani sees 10 th lord u may have to face apavada one day in ur life.( Please dont take it serious) Chandra is Sarvajanika ( Public) graha, so from the public u may have to face apavada.

Lagna is having the sambandha of Kuja in rashi chakra , shani , Ketu in navansha, that has made u to suffer slightly .

Kuja sees the lagna . Make the mistake and then experience the consequence. Some times , u dont think twice , take the decision immediately.. Chandra is seen by Shani- mind is vasilating ( fluctuating) too much.Because of this u forget important thing and remember only bad things. For eg : before going to the exam hall , u know every thing . But ones u start writing the answers u forget . this is the main quality of Shani - Chandra yoga. If u Need i will explain very elaborately next time , the effect shani to chandra .

There is a saying in Astrology --- Shani gives the malefics which ever the bava he sees or sits , unless Powerful Guru sees shani. Powerful means guru should be in his own house or uchha.

Guru gives benefics which ever the bava he sees or sits, he wont harm if not helpless.

When the Shani is in 8th house , he will make u to suffer more in life by one or the reason , even though he is Raja Yoga karaka for this lagna. From 8th , he aspects 2nd ,5th,10th. These 3 bavas are afflicted considerably by this Shani . Shani plays a major role in ur horoscope. That is why one should see which planet is more harmful and then say the parihara for that planet. That is why i said immediately (simple parihara) do Eka (One) Rudrabhishekha immediately in Shiva temple. and Monthly on ur Janma Nakshatrea. Detail parihara i will tell u later on .

[Narayan]

Respected Srinivas Sir:

I actually first thought not to write anymore in this forum, but the post of your goodself, forced me sir to ask this to you.

"Powerful means guru should be in his own house or uchha."

Here, guru helps the native irrespective of the placement he is in? In my horoscope also, guru is exalted, but guru in general has done nothing favorably for me till date. Moreover, since Jupiter is my second lord and Jupiter is also aspecting 2nd house, his own house, I should have been well off financially, but am still not having enough finance other than just for meeting ends. So, i am not getting the results favorably from him as per your statement sir.

Anupamji, you were also telling me that the 6th house is the Artha house, but as far as I am concerned, I still have not felt its results really. That Guru should have given me everything, but till date or right now I do not even have a own house, neither land, nor financially strong, nor anybody to depend on really.

Apart from this, due to guru being in 6th and Rahu along with Saturn, I have been cheated very badly by many "proclaimed God men and so called saints" in the name of spirituality wearing a Guru clown till a few months back before I understood the real meaning of spirituality. Now, i am not seeking any more Gurus. So, Guru also has done nothing for me sir irrespective of he being uccha and dharma house lord and dharma karaka. Moreover, if you see my guru is the 11th lord as well. My purva punya sthanas are pretty clear and has high significance with association of Mercury being the 5th and 8th lord, so I should be having huge finance sir as per this placement. Even more, my moon 6th lord is in 9th, so that 6th house of daridrya is somewhat canceled as Moon is in 9th. Moreover if you see from Moon lagna, Jupiter is in 10th house exalted forming Kesari Yoga and lagna lord then becomes venus who is in second and then that second lord Mars is in 4th house exalted with sun, so from all these doesn't all these indicate huge finance? But I am in somewhat poverty. What do u say about this sir?

So, my question is sir dont you think, we should consider the placement of the planet in Rashi as well as in Navamsha before having a final say or coming to conclusion rather than just saying that guru in his own house or uccha house will deliver the results?

I have one more very very important question to you sir. Say if one is in his last journey in his/her birth, all the karmas whatever he/she has done in this present birth also should get to him/her, right? Because all karmas have to come to zero balance before the soul gets released completely. I mean, if he/she has done punya or extremely good karmas in the present birth and if he/she is having no birth or death after the present one, then he/she also is eligible to enjoy the fruits of the good karmas done by him/her in the present birth itself. So, how do u see this as how can u read this or how the horoscopic planets will behave or act then? as this thing cannot be determined from the horoscope?.

My post in fact has also coincided with Guru, 633rd post 6+3+3=12, 1+2=3 indicating Jupiter.

Once again pranams sir before you

Expecting your kind reply


Narayanan

[kandhan]

Sir

looks like my query got lost in the flood of queries.

Could you elaborate on how Kuja is benefic for Tula Lagna?

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Srinivasji,
Your posts are very informative and learning a lot.

You said that the position of the nodes in any house will reduce the strength of the house but I think I read somewhere that if the nodes are in kendras and aspected by shubha grahas, they can confer rajayogas.

Is this true? Would request your opinion and experiences on this.

Dear Madam :-

Thank u for the compliments. If u dont mind i will come back to u once this horoscope is analysed. thank u once again


with regards

[Basab]

About Mars being benefic for Libra asc. I remember reading it in the book, 'Bhavartha Ratnakar'. I myself have Libra ascendant, and though my Mars is in the 12th house, it's sub-period has turned out to be the best for me, in my Venus period so far, with me having reached Venus-Saturn period now and that also not going good, even though yogakarak for my asc. and placed in the 11th house. I remember an astrologer telling me that the Mars sub-period would go well, and I was surprised very much, but he was right!

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Dear Sir,
You have explained about the pancham Sthana beautifully. I have one question. If Pancham sthan is empty does that make Pancham sthan weak?
Best rgds,
cjappu

Cjappu;-

Thank u for the compliments. No, but u must see 1) what is the condition of Panchamadipathi. 2)Whether Panchama is in Papakarthari yoga. 3)Lastly u must ascertain Karaka for panchama, whether he is in good position.

In astrology , Stana , Stanadipathi, Karaka should be seen for every prediction.
Bava should be seen by planets . If the Bava(House) is not aspected by any planets , then that bava becomes weak.
With Regards