woman having BAD Marriage but GOOD extramarital relation

[shilpa]

Female, born on Saturday, 1981-08-22; 05:12:00 am; Latitude: 021:46:N / Longitude: 072:09:E
( name and place of birth witheld)

Dear Experts,

this woman had a BAD marriage but an excellent extra-marital relation.
How is this possible when the same 7th house rules marrigae and similar relationships / partnerships.

after 3 years of bad, acrimonious and abusive physical and emotional suffering at the hands of husband.....
this woman took a step of cutting herself off physically and emotionallty from her husband...but continued to live in the same house and as wife socially.
And found another partner, with whom she is not legally married but strongly involved physically and mentally....and they are mutually happy is what she tells me.
How is this possible when the same 7th house of marriage governs relationship to give one very bad and another excellent relation at the same time??
shedding any light would be appreciated.
Thx

Married Nov 2007
extra-marital start approx Mar 2010

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|Ke | |Su Me |
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| | |AL |Ju Ve |
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| |Ve |Su Ju |Ma HL |
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|GL | D-9 |Me Ra |
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|As Mo | |AL |Md |
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[lovacrs]

Shilpaji,

Socially and astrologically, marriage is a relationship of mutual commitments and obligations that is supposed to be life-long (and even trans-births). Extra-marital relations are not. Hence different yardsticks are to be used to gauge the two. This is why Navamsha is used to assess marital happiness.

[sinecurve]

I agree with vishvesh. Ketu in 7H in SA rashi gave her the discontent from marriage life. 5H is of romance, 8H is of hidden sex / taboos and 12H for bed pleasures / mysterious relationships. 8L is in kama Trikon (3H) along with 6L / 11L and all three planets in 3H are in Hast Nakshatra lorded by MO. MO itself along with 5H is lorded by MA in 12H.

Check Navmansha ....VE in 5H in movable sign lorded my MA which is also 12L in 7H of sex / relationships.

Its common to see that the suffering spouse tries to find solace in a friend / relative / spirituality etc. What gave her guts to make an extra-marital relationship is RA in lagna and running Rahu Dasha. See the significance of Upchaya houses here and how she used the free will to find her happiness elsewhere. The affair started in RA - SA dasha.... which was inevitable.

Hope that helps !!

[Narayan]

Dear Vishveshji:

"The one thing quite clear from my experience and as u rightly point out the 7th house and 7th house lord be afflicted causing the marriage to be a failure or unsuccessful."

You need to look at this only from the ascendant? What about the Moon lagna? What if Moon lagna holds good marriage life and ascendant not or vice versa? Or is it that only the ascendant is what matters? I'm not an astrologer, hence would like opinion on the same. What about the Navamsha if Navamsha holds good married life and not in Ascendant?

Why I am asking is here in Kerala, astrologers look at the 7th house both from ascendant and Moon lagna, viz for men,they look at 7th and 8th house and for women, they just look at 7th house and other aspecting planets.

So, please let me know ur opinion.

Regards


Narayanan

[sinecurve]

Dear Vishveshji:

"The one thing quite clear from my experience and as u rightly point out the 7th house and 7th house lord be afflicted causing the marriage to be a failure or unsuccessful."

You need to look at this only from the ascendant? What about the Moon lagna? What if Moon lagna holds good marriage life and ascendant not or vice versa? Or is it that only the ascendant is what matters? I'm not an astrologer, hence would like opinion on the same. What about the Navamsha if Navamsha holds good married life and not in Ascendant?

Why I am asking is here in Kerala, astrologers look at the 7th house both from ascendant and Moon lagna, viz for men,they look at 7th and 8th house and for women, they just look at 7th house and other aspecting planets.

So, please let me know ur opinion.

Regards


Narayanan

Hello Narayan, You are much more knowledgeable than me but heres my 2 cents....

In north India also we judge the chart from both Lagna and the Moon. Normally the stronger one is taken betwn the Lagna and the Moon. Lagna is self and Moon is Mind....so if 7H is afflicted from a weak lagna but its pretty strong from well placed and strong Moon, the marriage life may not suffer that much. So yes you have to look from both Lagna and the Moon.

Navmansha has to support whats promised in the Rashi chart. Neither stands alone....If Rashi chart has good 7H but its smashed in Navmansha be assure that married life will suffer and viceversa .

I think both 7H and 8H is seen for women since 8H is the mangalaya sthana for women.....NO ?? To confirm successful and happy married life you cant ignore 2H and 4H also. Again its all relative !!

Hope that helps !

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear Shilpaji,

Even though this is an extramarital affair, astrologically it is seen only as a second relationship and is governed by the second house of navamsa.

Saturn the ruler, is posited with Jupiter (lord of happiness) and also Sun (lord of bhagya or luck or in simple terms, punya).

In March 2010, it was Rahu/Saturn/Mercury and here Mercury is the lord of 7th.

During the period of Rahu Kethu, ie., 2015, even this relationship will come under severe testing. If scaled through, can last till the end of Rahu dasha. After that it might not matter.

Trust this helps.

Warm regards,
RAMANAN

[sinecurve]

Dear Shilpaji,

Even though this is an extramarital affair, astrologically it is seen only as a second relationship and is governed by the second house of navamsa.

Saturn the ruler, is posited with Jupiter (lord of happiness) and also Sun (lord of bhagya or luck or in simple terms, punya).

In March 2010, it was Rahu/Saturn/Mercury and here Mercury is the lord of 7th.

During the period of Rahu Kethu, ie., 2015, even this relationship will come under severe testing. If scaled through, can last till the end of Rahu dasha. After that it might not matter.

Trust this helps.

Warm regards,
RAMANAN

Ramananji, I have a friend who has 3 extra-marital affairs going on from last 2 - 3 years....he says hes not happy with his marriage.

Even if we take example of tiger woods ....How do we explain these relationships astrologically ?

Being happy n content from marriage is pretty relative and with high expectation these days... lot of young ones find a reason for extra-marital relationship. Now when the barrier is once broken...its broken....do we still see these relationship from 2nd and then 3rd house of Navmansha ?

Thanks for your time !

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear sinecurve,

I totally agree with u about the frivolous reasons which ppl give just to have fun or avoid responsibilities. And as u say, the 13th relationship cannot be seen from the navamsa lagna itself after one full cycle.

But, u see her chart. The problem is genuine. Lagna - 7 afflicted by the nodes. Lord of 7 with Lord of 4 (happiness) in debility. They are conjoined by the lord of 6th and the whole combination is 6/8 to the lagna lord. Though, there may also be a few problems due to her mind (Mars governing the 5th) lord placed in the inimical 12th in an enemy's sign. This combo may give some inclination towards spirituality but not in terms of smartness. Her complaints of abuses looks to be true.

So this ema has some basis. So, I considered it as a second relationship and hence deduced it from the second to navamsa.

But otherwise ur point is very valid. For reasons best known only to God ppl are having fun in the name of freedom or whatever.

Trust this helps.

Warm Regards,
RAMANAN

[Narayan]

Dear Sinecurveji:

"Hello Narayan, You are much more knowledgeable than me"

Dont make me embarassed Sinecurveji. I am a complete non-sense rather than to be knowledged. Moreover, I told the truth "I'm not an astrologer" Anyways, thanks a lot for ur response.

Regards

Narayanan

[sinecurve]

Thanks Ramananji, My question was more generic in terms of reading the chart for extra-marital relationships. I can see the issues in her chart and I totally agree with your analysis. Thanks for your time !

Narayanan, We are all in the same boat of learning. take care.

[Narayan]

Dear Sinecurveji and Ramananji:

From this year in India as well, this will be like anything like changing clothes. Relationships will be like that. Our highest authority of Supreme Court itself has given a go ahead to one night stands and live-in relationships. Now, even the police authorities has to simply watch it. What a pity, where our samskaras are heading to?

Regards

Narayanan

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear nana,

New planets may have to be created by God to handle this free flirting. Lets wait and c.

Warm regards,
RAMANAN

[Dev]

Dear Ramananji:

It is not new to India. I have known young men who leave there parents and go on software jobs say from Chennai to Delhi, Bombay or vice versa being in live in relationships and some of them got married too. About others I dont know but I have seen this in India since 10 years at least. Before that I dont know if it was so prominent.

Dev

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear Dev,

All this were prevalent even from the days of Raja Raja Chola but a go-ahead from the Supreme court as mentioned by Narayan is upsetting.

Regards,
RAMANAN

[Dev]

Yes, Ramananji but then you see value for morality has gone down terribly and is still going down with time progressing in this kali yuga. Tell me if teachers, doctors, nurses, lawyers and police forces, are they all honest. I doubt if you find even 10% of them being honest. I only talked of the above since they are directly connected in day to day life and can have direct impact. So supreme court judges are no exception, when moral values have gone for most individuals, they are also going in that direction.
I feel sorry but it is a fact.
Dev

[Narayan]

Ramananji:

Yes Ramananji, by such verdicts, I wonder what meaning the relationships in a family has? Now, nobody can choose whoever one wants even in the midst of a relationship, can go and do whatever one want. Yes, it was prelevant in the earlier days, but by giving such verdicts, it has given a big boost to the egostic indriyas and it has been a big threat to relationships in a family.

We are not in America. We are living in a country called Indiya whereby we respect morals, relationships, and we live in a family. Indiya is respected by other countries mainly for its culture and its richness on the same and now, what difference Indiya has from other countries?

Now, being given such high red signals, it has given a big boost for Kali to do everything he wants.

Regards

Narayanan

[sinecurve]

If I m not missing anything....the court only said its not an offense, which makes sense. India has always been influenced by western culture and last few years we have all witnessed the massive westernization India has gone through.....What would court do about it ?? Put people in jail for having sex ?? they cant....its a democratic country ruled by hypocrite and corrupt politicians.

The apex court said there was no law which prohibits live-in relationship or pre-marital sex. "When two adult people want to live together what is the offence. Does it amount to an offence? Living together is not an offence. It cannot be an offence," a three judge bench of Chief Justice K G Balakrishnan, Deepak Verma and B S Chauhan observed.

The court said even Lord Krishna and Radha lived together according to mythology.

[sinecurve]

Dear Sinecurveji and Ramananji:

From this year in India as well, this will be like anything like changing clothes. Relationships will be like that. Our highest authority of Supreme Court itself has given a go ahead to one night stands and live-in relationships. Now, even the police authorities has to simply watch it. What a pity, where our samskaras are heading to?

Regards

Narayanan

Narayanan , We all very well know how good is our police force. Lets not even go there......But I agree that a regular source of income might cut down as now police cant just catch the couples on roads and torture them for money. AND I dont think we should even compare India with America...We have to see both sides of the coin. Let me give you a simple example...

Drunk Driving / DUI (Driving under Influence) -

For DUI in America.... the moment you are caught you are put in a police car and might have to spend next 2 days in police cell, your license is revoked and you have to do social service for months before you get your license back. Thats because when you are drunk ...you can kill someone.

Now in India .....normally you give the police guy one peg and he will dance for you....the max theres a fine for Rs. 500-2100... but then they let you drive after paying the fine ??? WTF ???

My point is simple.....Everything always existed....its just being accepted in the society so general public is not tortured ...simple as that !!

If anyone is to be blamed...its the MEDIA who is passing totally wrong message to the young ones. Every piece of information is massaged and honey-coated before its passed on to normal man... the masala - mix is corrupting the general thought process.

Again being said that ....I 100% agree that youth will also get misguided now....its a free license for everyone who wants to live together....people will misuse this decision and find reasons to enjoy their life the way they want. I totally agree with all the above posts....but it had to happen ...today or tomorrow.....

[kunalbhardwaj27]

Dear Sinecurveji and Ramananji:

From this year in India as well, this will be like anything like changing clothes. Relationships will be like that. Our highest authority of Supreme Court itself has given a go ahead to one night stands and live-in relationships. Now, even the police authorities has to simply watch it. What a pity, where our samskaras are heading to?

Regards

Narayanan

Narayanan , We all very well know how good is our police force. Lets not even go there......But I agree that a regular source of income might cut down as now police cant just catch the couples on roads and torture them for money. AND I dont think we should even compare India with America...We have to see both sides of the coin. Let me give you a simple example...

Drunk Driving / DUI (Driving under Influence) -

For DUI in America.... the moment you are caught you are put in a police car and might have to spend next 2 days in police cell, your license is revoked and you have to do social service for months before you get your license back. Thats because when you are drunk ...you can kill someone.

Now in India .....normally you give the police guy one peg and he will dance for you....the max theres a fine for Rs. 500-2100... but then they let you drive after paying the fine ??? WTF ???

My point is simple.....Everything always existed....its just being accepted in the society so general public is not tortured ...simple as that !!

If anyone is to be blamed...its the MEDIA who is passing totally wrong message to the young ones. Every piece of information is massaged and honey-coated before its passed on to normal man... the masala - mix is corrupting the general thought process.

Again being said that ....I 100% agree that youth will also get misguided now....its a free license for everyone who wants to live together....people will misuse this decision and find reasons to enjoy their life the way they want. I totally agree with all the above posts....but it had to happen ...today or tomorrow.....

Baba I agree with you totally....I like it.

[shilpa]

Dear Shilpaji,

Even though this is an extramarital affair, astrologically it is seen only as a second relationship and is governed by the second house of navamsa.

Saturn the ruler, is posited with Jupiter (lord of happiness) and also Sun (lord of bhagya or luck or in simple terms, punya).

In March 2010, it was Rahu/Saturn/Mercury and here Mercury is the lord of 7th.

During the period of Rahu Kethu, ie., 2015, even this relationship will come under severe testing. If scaled through, can last till the end of Rahu dasha. After that it might not matter.

Trust this helps.

Warm regards,


RAMANAN

Thanks....this makes sense. second realtionship is govrened not from the 7th house...hence the 7th house placements do not matter when judging 2nd marriage or equivalent

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear Shilpa-ji,
One more thing. I took the second from navamsa as your post mentioned that this lady was mentally as well as physically compatible with the other person. So, this amounts to a serious relationship.

This dictum may not hold good if there is no mental compatibility OR understanding for one night stands OR temporary flirtations cannot be seen from the second to navamsa as mentioned in my reply to sinecurve.

with warm regards,
Ramanan

[shilpa]

Dear Shilpa-ji,
One more thing. I took the second from navamsa as your post mentioned that this lady was mentally as well as physically compatible with the other person. So, this amounts to a serious relationship.

This dictum may not hold good if there is no mental compatibility OR understanding for one night stands OR temporary flirtations cannot be seen from the second to navamsa as mentioned in my reply to sinecurve.

with warm regards,
Ramanan

Hello Ramananji,
Thank you. Yes indeed it is an emotionally serious relationship that led to physical closeness according to the woman.
I got an email from her on Thursday......saying that she is now pregnant with her new partner.

this situation raises 2 questions in my mind:

1) where on the woman's chart will we see this child from her new partner?
2) Where on the man's ( new partner) chart will we look for the child. Given that this will be his second child.

will the normal 5th house in Rasi and Saptamsa rules apply here ?

Regards
S

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear Shilpaji,

Definitely the normal 5th house rule for children will apply here. For a complete clarification I request you to read a post on "Saptamsa" by Shrikanthji. It will clarify all things about children.



Trust this helps. One question of academic interest - have the doctors told her due date for the baby is somewhere july 2011. That is Ra/sa/ju/ve and you see the lord of 5th in rasi (jupiter) is conjunct saturn and venus.

Regards,
RAMANAN

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[Narayan]

Dear Ramana:

What do u think should be the chart of a women or husband that they have sex and boundaries within the relationship only? I mean not crossing to other persons. What planetary combinations should be there to tell for sure that "he/she will have sex and good relationship with her husband or his wife only"?

Thanks,

Narayanan

[shilpa]

Dear Shilpaji,

Definitely the normal 5th house rule for children will apply here. For a complete clarification I request you to read a post on "Saptamsa" by Shrikanthji. It will clarify all things about children.



Trust this helps. One question of academic interest - have the doctors told her due date for the baby is somewhere july 2011. That is Ra/sa/ju/ve and you see the lord of 5th in rasi (jupiter) is conjunct saturn and venus.

Regards,
RAMANAN

I edited this post just to add a line

Hello Raman-ji.....the expected date in mid April...so she has been carrying for some time and only share with me just

The period turns out to be Ra/Sa/ moon/ Sa
or it might turn out to be Ra/Sa/Moon/Ju