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Ghrishneswar
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I read in one of the articles by Rafal Gendarz (SJC Guru) that Saturn in Cancer does not cause raja bhanga. In fact saturn in 1, 5 or 10 in cancer causes a rajayoga.

The article is http docs dot rohinaa dot com slash raj-bhanga.pdf

Has anyone else read this rule in anyother text?

This might help all people who have Sa in cancer and have been told bad results but be careful it is only applicable in certain situations.
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Many top personalities born with cancer sat. Bush, Indira gandhi, Sonia
etc..

Logic behind is:

It takes 30 yrs to sat for one rotation : For moon , it takes 30 days.

moon's higher frequency is saturn.

Sat Kali becaus of of moon sakthi.

Yeah Rasi cancer lord is Moon Sakthi. if sat there.
rest easy to understand.

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namaskar,

During your sade sati 7 1/2 saturn period - worship - Amman.

Or Kaali Ma

Amman pacifies the saturn's bad effects.

Sat takes 28 + ..... for one rotation

moon takes 28 +.. for one rotation.

Moon's higher frequency is saturn.

In the moon sign Cancer - saturn does not cause Raja Bhanga.

Rafalji has no time to give the logic behind it .

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Hi Members ,

I got / remember another point about this Sat and Moon.


Moon signifies Amman ( or ammah ) sakthi.

saturn signifies sorrow.

When a child cries ( crying coz sorrow ) who comes first ?

Child's mother ( moon ) Not father ( sun /shiva ).

Child's mother first ran to child then father....

So during 7 1/2 saturn period , worship Amman ( moon ).

Amman will give more solace.

Welcome to this wonderful world of astrology :D ( till 2012 ? )

siva sarasali
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Thanks siva...
When you cry mother comes to you to pacify you, but you have to go to father for solace, he will not come to you...

this makes difference.
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Dear Ghrishneswar,


He ( Shivan ) won't come . he is dancing , strip tease dancing , where in cemetary , not in Dubai's Ten star hotel which in Burji Tower.


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Dear Sivaji:

You are completely wrong. I think you have the tendency to go bang bang without any experience....who said the father wont come? It all goes down to the devotion one has for him and also longing. Yah, I accept it is not easy to earn his accolades bcoz his mind will not melt that easily like that of Shakti, but even then it all depends to your devotion. The main reason what I felt is Lord Shiva is in a state of Samadhi most of the time...He comes out of nectar only for an hour or two in a day...so, when father is in that state particularly, it is difficult to expect that he comes to us even after one's devotion. But, hope and keep on asking for his mercy always and a strong liking for him is very very important.

Actually, you know, from my childhood at the age of 6 or 7 itself, I started worshipping mother and from age 3, I was residing where both of them are residing, in and around that area, maximum of 1 km. Later it is the mother who showed me the father of mine and now, my attention and my love etc..is more flowing towards my father and the interest in mother has dipped a little bit....so, there was a reason I think for everything. It starts with mother and the child goes to father later...but only when mother and father are united, the completion comes to its fullest form like a full moon.

Purnaysa Purnam Adaya Purnam Eva Ava Sishyate....there is nothing more than that.

I still have my hopes alive because they are my bodha, jiva, prana, bliss, goal, ambition, aspiration, and what not virtually everything. They are the dip and end for me. Some may think I am mad, but I am least bothered about that.

A tool in the hands of divine


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" Which that cannot be felt by the mind but which that enables the mind to feel."

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Dear Sivaji:

Yah you are correct....It is bcoz of father Siva only we are able to feel and breathe. Mind cannot feel it unless it enables mind to feel. This is from real plane. Now from outside world as well, what I told you is after understanding that Lord Siva in a form state is in Samadhi state most of the time. Lord Siva wakes from Samadhi and comes to mind level only for 2 or 3 hours maximum, that also mainly during night time when the Lord goes around.

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Dear Ghrishneswar,
Placement of Saturn in Karkata in Star constellation Pushyami,in Vrischika in Anuradha and in Meena Rasi in UttaraBhadra always give benefic results since the lord of the said stars is Saturn himself.If they are trines 1,5,9 from lagna it is best.For example as you referred Cancer.
Karmaadhikari Saturn in 10th from lagna in the above stars naturally gives benefic results.These benefits can be felt in the Mahadasa of Shani.Antardass also can give benefit depending on the nature and placement of Mahadasa lord.
Shani is yogakaraka as said above.
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Thanks USR for valuable information.
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dear all,

i have always been this curious about saturn in cancer.
people have different views on this and i want to learn as i have
saturn +rahu in dasamsa lagna which is cancer. and also saturn+mars in cancer

in navamsa which has scorpio lagna(so cancer is 9th house)

i give full details again
D.O.B. FEB 21,1973
MUMBAI, TIME-13.55

I have read various theories from astrologers and most of them i feel
are wrong, so want to learn about this.

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Namaskar ,

Cancer is a Rajo sign . Royal sign . Simha also Royal sign . But than Simha ..Cancer is powerful. Because of Sakthi.

I will explain a small story how the Sakthi is more powerful than Shiva.

You all know that few years back Tsunami hit Sri lanka . There is place in Jaffna . From this place, in the Southern side , there is sea within one mile.
This sea is called by the elders as MALE sea.

From this place, in the eastern side also sea , this sea called FEMALE sea.

My friend's grand father is living in that area. ( age 84 ). From the grand father's house , female sea is located nearly 3000 yards away.

Male sea nearly one mile away from the house.

During Tusunami time ( hour ) This male sea's wave went to nearly a cocunut tree's height. People watching the wave height and sound started running .
But this old man didn't run simply sitting in the house and told to others
Hay fools don't run - in the back side Female sea is there . This female sea will control the male sea.

Surprisigly the male sea's wave little by little went down and became calm.
How is our elders' knowledge ?

In another area , few people went picnic and to see the elephants too .
The jungle area they went to see is very close to the sea side.
All elephant realized ( sensed ) the Tsunami and went to the deep forest before Tsunami's came.
The people who went to see the elephant , were taken into the sea by Tsunami.

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I have Saturn in Cancer, 5th house for me as Pisces is my ascendant. I had a terrible Sade Sati. If Saturn was good then my Sade Sati would have been good too. Right? And Saturn is in Pushyami


[quote="USR"]Dear Ghrishneswar,
Placement of Saturn in Karkata in Star constellation Pushyami,in Vrischika in Anuradha and in Meena Rasi in UttaraBhadra always give benefic results since the lord of the said stars is Saturn himself.If they are trines 1,5,9 from lagna it is best.For example as you referred Cancer.
Karmaadhikari Saturn in 10th from lagna in the above stars naturally gives benefic results.These benefits can be felt in the Mahadasa of Shani.Antardass also can give benefit depending on the nature and placement of Mahadasa lord.
Shani is yogakaraka as said above.
wbw
USR[/quote]
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Dear Chess,

The game Chees was invented by Indians. My father was very expert in this game. but didn't know anything about astrology or Panchanga.

If your moon ( Manus / mind ) is severly afflicted , then this sade Sati is very bad/ mind is in sorrow. ( sat + moon )

If sun got affliction with sat = sun - atma - soul - suffers, during this sade sati.

If lagna / lord ( body ) got afflictction with saturn = body suffers .

BTW my exalted saturn didn't give any trouble to me , then I started to think why this sade sate gives problems to others .....

Having this experience , I wrote .

regards,

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chess

Siva,

I don't understand, on the one hand we are discussing Saturn in Cancer should be exception, if that is the case then Saturn during Sadhe Sati period should not give bad results. Are you suggesting that Saturn's Dasha won't be bad however Saturns transits 12th,1st and 2nd from the natal moon would be bad ? If you could clarify it would be great.

Regards

[quote="sivagnanalingam"]|| Jaya Jagannatha ||


Dear Chess,

The game Chees was invented by Indians. My father was very expert in this game. but didn't know anything about astrology or Panchanga.

If your moon ( Manus / mind ) is severly afflicted , then this sade Sati is very bad/ mind is in sorrow. ( sat + moon )

If sun got affliction with sat = sun - atma - soul - suffers, during this sade sati.

If lagna / lord ( body ) got afflictction with saturn = body suffers .

BTW my exalted saturn didn't give any trouble to me , then I started to think why this sade sate gives problems to others .....

Having this experience , I wrote .

regards,

siva sarasalai[/quote]
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Dear Chess ,

I think you misunderstood the concept. It is general statement that cancer saturn is Good. we shouln't take the general statement as final truth .

If saturn dasa is on and also sade sati is there very bad results.

No use of connecting the cancer saturn with sate sati.

Look ( connect ) sate sati with janma lagna Chandra lagan and Surya lagna .

siva sarasalai

( not with the cancer saturn )
chess

Siva,


I didn't explain clearly. I have Sa and Mo in Cancer (5th house) and I have Pisces Ascendant. So when I was going through the Sade-Sati it was wrt to Lagna, Saturn's transit in 4th, 5th and 6th. I don't want to confuse you but my point is that if for me, Saturn was supposed to be good then Sade Sati should have been good too?

Now if Sade Sati is not supposed to be connected to saturn in cancer, then does that mean that Saturn's period would be good ?

I hope i am clearing up the question, I have.

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Chess
[quote="sivagnanalingam"]|| Jaya Jagannatha ||

Dear Chess ,

I think you misunderstood the concept. It is general statement that cancer saturn is Good. we shouln't take the general statement as final truth .

If saturn dasa is on and also sade sati is there very bad results.

No use of connecting the cancer saturn with sate sati.

Look ( connect ) sate sati with janma lagna Chandra lagan and Surya lagna .

siva sarasalai

( not with the cancer saturn )[/quote]
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Dear Chess ,

If moon is afflicted Sade Sate gives more trouble.

Moon is mind / Manasu.

Your Moon is afflicted by saturn. Now don't think about saturn in cancer .

( later we will think about cancer saturn )

The moon with which planet connected LOOK that . Look moon's status.

Suppose your moon is in Meena and with Jupiter - then fine No much
wories .

I wrote a very detalid posts about the connection between

Saturn planet and the moon planet.

Didn't you read that.

siva sarasalei
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Siva,

Thanks for your answer. Got the point!

Regards,
Chess

[quote="sivagnanalingam"]|| Jaya Jagannatha ||

Dear Chess ,

If moon is afflicted Sade Sate gives more trouble.

Moon is mind / Manasu.

Your Moon is afflicted by saturn. Now don't think about saturn in cancer .

( later we will think about cancer saturn )

The moon with which planet connected LOOK that . Look moon's status.

Suppose your moon is in Meena and with Jupiter - then fine No much
wories .

I wrote a very detalid posts about the connection between

Saturn planet and the moon planet.

Didn't you read that.

siva sarasalei[/quote]
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Very generally cancer saturn people hails from well to do family .

I don't know about your family back ground. Is it OK.


Signs show NATURE :

Planets show VIRTURE:

I know where your are making mistakes when judging charts.

How your r wrongly conceiving the basic concepts. ( as influenced by your other educational qualifications )

Because of your other educational qualifications which have given you some sort of influence.

THIS INFLUENCE DO NOT LET YOU THINK OF YOUR OWN. Spoils your originality thinking.

Suppose if one studied ( understood wrongly , then diffcult to remove the
wrong thigs ) Unlearning is diffucult. .

I have no intention to hurt anyone by writing the above post.

Also am fed up - If members don't understand properly why I will remain here ???

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chess

Siva,

Thanks for your comments. In general, you hardly know me or when i started to look into the concepts. My point is that looking inwards might help you too. No offense meant, but it is difficult to read what you write.

You are probably more conversant in another language. If i were conversing with you in tamil or in a language i don't read or write well it will be difficult for you to understand what ever my qualifications might be. This is important to understand.

While i appreciate, you answering on the message, it would be unjust to classify for anyone including you and me to our small interactions. Don't jump to conclusions about original thinking of people you can be surprised!

Take care have a good weekend!

Regards,
Chess




[quote="sivagnanalingam"]|| Jaya Jagannatha ||

Very generally cancer saturn people hails from well to do family .

I don't know about your family back ground. Is it OK.


Signs show NATURE :

Planets show VIRTURE:

I know where your are making mistakes when judging charts.

How your r wrongly conceiving the basic concepts. ( as influenced by your other educational qualifications )

Because of your other educational qualifications which have given you some sort of influence.

THIS INFLUENCE DO NOT LET YOU THINK OF YOUR OWN. Spoils your originality thinking.

Suppose if one studied ( understood wrongly , then diffcult to remove the
wrong thigs ) Unlearning is diffucult. .

I have no intention to hurt anyone by writing the above post.

Also am fed up - If members don't understand properly why I will remain here ???

siva sarasalei[/quote]
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